Installing Hard Disk In Mac G5 - A Lot Easier Than Windows
John
guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the retainer over
it. Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
disk. That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer software
required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes. By the way the drive didn't
even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
Snit
on 2/23/05 2:50 PM:
Thanks for the report... appreciate it. Once I get time to play with Linux,
I will be putting a drive into my PC... should be interesting to see how the
experience compares.
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John
> "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in post 111pul0...@news.supernews.com
> on 2/23/05 2:50 PM:
>
>
>>Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I installed the
>>guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the retainer over
>>it. Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
>>disk. That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
>>and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer software
>>required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
>>
>>
>>Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes. By the way the drive didn't
>>even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
>
>
> Thanks for the report... appreciate it. Once I get time to play with Linux,
> I will be putting a drive into my PC... should be interesting to see how the
> experience compares.
>
If its Linux be prepared for an experience even more unfriendly than
Windows.
Snit
on 2/23/05 3:03 PM:
I plan on turning my 98 system into a dual boot... not sure I will get the
time to do so, but that is my intention.
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> "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in post 111pvbp...@news.supernews.com
> on 2/23/05 3:03 PM:
>
>
>>Snit wrote:
>>
>>>"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in post 111pul0...@news.supernews.com
>>>on 2/23/05 2:50 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I installed the
>>>>guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the retainer over
>>>>it. Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
>>>>disk. That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
>>>>and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer software
>>>>required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes. By the way the drive didn't
>>>>even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the report... appreciate it. Once I get time to play with Linux,
>>>I will be putting a drive into my PC... should be interesting to see how the
>>>experience compares.
>>>
>>
>>If its Linux be prepared for an experience even more unfriendly than
>>Windows.
>
>
> I plan on turning my 98 system into a dual boot... not sure I will get the
> time to do so, but that is my intention.
If you stopped posting here so much, I'm sure you could find plenty of
time to do it.
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John Slade
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I installed
the
> guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the retainer
over
> it. Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> disk. That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer software
> required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
The same can be said for Windows. When I installed a HD I turned my
computer on and it automatically recognized the HD. It had be preformatted.
If it wasn't, I could format using the Windows tool. No third party software
needed. There are no extra steps needed for adding a HD for an XP machine.
If there is, can you please give me an example?
John
3l33td00d
The same can be said for Windows. When I installed a HD I turned my
computer on and it automatically recognized the HD. It had be
preformatted.
If it wasn't, I could format using the Windows tool. No third party
software
needed. There are no extra steps needed for adding a HD for an XP
machine.
If there is, can you please give me an example?
Try getting XP to boot from an HD hooked up to an add-in IDE/SCSI card
sometime, and you'll see.
John
You're kidding right? I have installed MANY harddisks in Windows machine
over the years and I have NEVER been able to do it in the under 5 minutes
that it took for G5. NEVER. There is always some kind of problem that
comes up. Mounting hardware, software, Bios etc. So the process ends up
taking 30 minutes to an hour.
Neil Bradley
>installed the guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and
>>>slid the retainer over it. Booted up the computer and it offered
>>>me a chance to initialize the disk. That brought up Disk Utility
>>>automatically where I partitioned it and it was then ready to go.
>>>Absolutely no disk manufacturer software required or the need to use
>>>Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
>>preformatted. If it wasn't, I could format using the Windows tool. No
>>third party software needed. There are no extra steps needed for
>>adding a HD for an XP machine. If there is, can you please give me an
>>example?
> over the years and I have NEVER been able to do it in the under 5 minutes
> that it took for G5. NEVER. There is always some kind of problem that
> comes up. Mounting hardware, software, Bios etc. So the process ends up
> taking 30 minutes to an hour.
Oh, please. Maybe back in 1995 that was the case, but it hasn't been for a long,
long time. In fact, I can't even think of a way to make it take that long.
Every hard drive I've installed in my PC has been "plug in and go". Windows
recognizes it, asks if I want it formatted (if it wasn' before), and never have
I had to have a 3rd party piece of software to help it along - ever.
Sorry, no advantage, here. If you want to get snippy about it, I can complain
that my G4 tower can't see >137GB until I bought a $75 add in IDE controller.
-->Neil
John
You are WRONG. I have installed MANY disks in Windows machines. All took
a lot longer than the G5. Obviously you have tried it on only one machine.
Try it on a Compaq.
gaz...@yahoo.co.uk
> You are WRONG. I have installed MANY disks in Windows machines.
All took
> a lot longer than the G5. Obviously you have tried it on only one
machine.
> Try it on a Compaq.
Compaq machines are hardly the pinnacle of PC technology.
A G5 tower is pretty much going to be in a standard configuration -
there are literally thousands (millions?) of possible PC hardware
configurations and cases - of course it is going to take longer in some
than it does in others.
I've never had to take more than 10 minutes out to install a hard drive
into a Windows machine. Everything is "plug and play" in the true sense
of the phrase.
GazChap.
Steve Carroll
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
I was amazed because it took me about as long to get the cover on and
off as it did to actually install the drive on my tower G5. It was done
within a 2 minute period... and a bit of that was spent looking around
at the innards... damn clean in there.
Edwin
John wrote:
> Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
installed the
> guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
retainer over
> it.
Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
all.
> Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> disk.
Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac. I
remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
> That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
software
> required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
software.
What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
> Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
> By the way the drive didn't
> even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck... I had
to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
Rgdawson
> A G5 tower is pretty much going to be in a standard configuration -
> there are literally thousands (millions?) of possible PC hardware
> configurations and cases - of course it is going to take longer in some
> than it does in others.
>
> I've never had to take more than 10 minutes out to install a hard drive
> into a Windows machine. Everything is "plug and play" in the true sense
> of the phrase.
The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a masterstroke
of engineering, no PC has this level of polish to installing a 2nd HD.
Even the Screws are nicely set for installation. It's not much harder
than a Light Bulb. When you see it or do it, you'll see what I and John
are talking about. NO PC or Mac for that matter has this level of
engineering to "just to install a drive".
gaz...@yahoo.co.uk
> The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a
masterstroke
> of engineering, no PC has this level of polish to installing a 2nd
HD.
> Even the Screws are nicely set for installation. It's not much harder
> than a Light Bulb. When you see it or do it, you'll see what I and
John
> are talking about. NO PC or Mac for that matter has this level of
> engineering to "just to install a drive".
I think you misunderstood my meaning.
I meant "standard configuration" as in every G5 tower is going to be
largely identical in both terms of the layout of the internals, and the
components used. I daresay there are variations amongst components -
I'm not particularly au fait with Mac technology, I just have to use
them at work!
Whereas if you put two Windows PCs next to each other you'll likely
find that the internal components and layouts are completely different.
And for what its worth, in my PC case all I have to do is take off the
sides of the tower, open a flap on the side of the drive housing, slide
the drive into place, close the flap and connect the cables.
The flap has bits of plastic sticking out of it that goes into the
screw holes on the drive to keep it in place.
Three minutes max, although admittedly it can sometimes be a pain
getting the sides of the case off but thats more because I'm a bit of a
weakling ;)
GazChap.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> John wrote:
> > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> installed the
> > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> retainer over
> > it.
>
> Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> all.
>
> > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> > disk.
>
> Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac. I
> remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
As people can and do run more than one OS on the Mac, your statement is
utterly wrong.
>
> > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
> software
> > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
> software.
>
> What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
>
> > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
>
> Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
>
> > By the way the drive didn't
> > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
>
> Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck... I had
> to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
What year was that, Edwin?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Edwin
Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1109348116.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > John wrote:
> > > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> > installed the
> > > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> > retainer over
> > > it.
> >
> > Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> > all.
> >
> > > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize
the
> > > disk.
> >
> > Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac.
I
> > remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> > initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
>
> As people can and do run more than one OS on the Mac, your statement
is
> utterly wrong.
No it's not. Most people aren't going to put up with having to say
"no" to a disk initialization every time they boot their Macs.
> >
> > > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> > > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
> > software
> > > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
> > software.
> >
> > What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
> >
> > > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
> >
> > Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
> >
> > > By the way the drive didn't
> > > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
> >
> > Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck... I
had
> > to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
>
> What year was that, Edwin?
LOL
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <1109348116.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > John wrote:
> > > > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> > > installed the
> > > > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> > > retainer over
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize
> the
> > > > disk.
> > >
> > > Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac.
> I
> > > remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> > > initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
> >
> > As people can and do run more than one OS on the Mac, your statement
> is
> > utterly wrong.
>
> No it's not. Most people aren't going to put up with having to say
> "no" to a disk initialization every time they boot their Macs.
What's utterly wrong is the idea you can't run more than one OS on the
Mac.
>
> > >
> > > > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> > > > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
> > > software
> > > > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
> > > software.
> > >
> > > What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
> > >
> > > > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
> > >
> > > Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
> > >
> > > > By the way the drive didn't
> > > > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
> > >
> > > Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck... I
> had
> > > to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
> >
> > What year was that, Edwin?
>
> LOL
Afraid to say? That's alright, I'll help. FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit
doesn't work on Mac OS X.
Steve Hix
Rgdawson <rg...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> gaz...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > A G5 tower is pretty much going to be in a standard configuration -
> > there are literally thousands (millions?) of possible PC hardware
> > configurations and cases - of course it is going to take longer in some
> > than it does in others.
> >
> > I've never had to take more than 10 minutes out to install a hard drive
> > into a Windows machine. Everything is "plug and play" in the true sense
> > of the phrase.
>
> The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a masterstroke
> of engineering, no PC has this level of polish to installing a 2nd HD.
By "standard configuration", I suspect he meant that there is very
little variation in layout through all models/configurations of the G5.
Steve Hix
Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <1109348116.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > John wrote:
> > > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> > installed the
> > > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> > retainer over
> > > it.
> >
> > Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> > all.
> >
> > > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> > > disk.
> >
> > Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac. I
> > remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> > initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
>
> As people can and do run more than one OS on the Mac, your statement is
> utterly wrong.
Clearly, EdThing hasn't been around Macs for a looooooooong time. Either
that, or he's decided to become a devout Dadaist.
Edwin
Not if it's BEOS and Mac OS 9. That won't boot even from the CD, not
even if you hold Command-C. So it's not "utterly wrong," unless
you're just throwing that phrase around to make yourself look
foolish...
> >
> > > >
> > > > > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I
partitioned it
> > > > > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk
manufacturer
> > > > software
> > > > > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user
unfriendly
> > > > software.
> > > >
> > > > What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
> > > >
> > > > > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
> > > >
> > > > > By the way the drive didn't
> > > > > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck...
I
> > had
> > > > to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
> > >
> > > What year was that, Edwin?
> >
> > LOL
>
> Afraid to say? That's alright, I'll help. FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit
> doesn't work on Mac OS X.
LOL
Edwin
Why did you refer to me as a thing?
TravelinMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Probably because things are incapable of sentient thought.
Alan Baker
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
But we're discussing the present...
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I
> partitioned it
> > > > > > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk
> manufacturer
> > > > > software
> > > > > > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user
> unfriendly
> > > > > software.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
> > > > >
> > > > > > By the way the drive didn't
> > > > > > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck...
> I
> > > had
> > > > > to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
> > > >
> > > > What year was that, Edwin?
> > >
> > > LOL
> >
> > Afraid to say? That's alright, I'll help. FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit
> > doesn't work on Mac OS X.
>
> LOL
Still afraid, I see... That's sad.
Edwin
If I wanted to hear from an arsehole I would have farted.
TravelinMan
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Is that why your posts stink so much?
If you didn't want the question answered, why did you ask?
abby...@gmail.com
John wrote:
> John Slade wrote:
> You're kidding right? I have installed MANY harddisks in Windows
machine
> over the years and I have NEVER been able to do it in the under 5
minutes
> that it took for G5. NEVER. There is always some kind of problem
that
> comes up. Mounting hardware, software, Bios etc. So the process
ends up
> taking 30 minutes to an hour.
John,
Sorry, but this just isn't true with modern PC's running Windows XP or
Windows 2000 Workstation. Comparing the time to install a HDD on a Win
95\98\ME machine is not a fair comparison to a G5.
I work in an office where we have an equal number of Macs (G5s and G4s)
and PCs (Dells less than three years old). I have installed new HDD on
each chassis and OS and really there wasn't a problem on either type of
system.
At home, I just bought a new AMD 64 Alienware system with SATA HDD in a
RAID array. My non-techincal wife bought an IDE HDD and installed to
use as a backup drive for the family digital photos. Took her 10
minutes and she had never replaced a drive in her life.
The Alienware and Dell (and most others) cases are all "screw-less"
drive bays that do not require any tools or hardware.
Brent
Edwin
The stink is coming from yourself, Joe, I can't send odor by Usenet.
> If you didn't want the question answered, why did you ask?
I asked Steve a question. I didn't ask the group a question.
For one who's constantly challenging other's ability to read, you don't
comprehend too well...
Edwin
LOL
LOL
John Slade
"3l33td00d" <newaccountsi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109277849.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
See what? It boots just fine. I've booted XP from a add-on card, RAID
controller, or whatever. Can you tell me what problem you had and I might
be able to help you. Did you go out and buy a cheap card?
John
John Slade
You're kidding right? In the most extreme case it will take me 15
minutes to have the drive up and running. That's even with a format. Let's
just say you have a unformatted drive. It takes five minutes to slide it in
place and screw it in. Then about ten minutes to format the drive under XP
and that's it. The only time it takes more time is if I ghost my old drive
to the new one. Then it might take 30 minutes. Not an hour, 30 minutes. I
find that most problems are caused by people who don't know what they're
doing. In my shop we rarely have a problem installing drives. What kind of
PCs are you using and what is your level of experience? I ask because even a
person with limited knowledge can install a HD in a PC with no hassles.
John
John Slade
You're full of shit. Sorry to say it but it's true. Now you're saying
it was on a Compaq. I bet as the conversation goes on, it'll be a really old
Compaq from the 80s or early 90s. To further make you look the fool I've
installed HDs on vintage Compaqs and it didn't take me a half hour. I just
had a 400Mhz P2 Dell in the shop. I installed a new 40GB HD on it and a
fresh XP install. It didn't take an hour. Maybe it took a half hour and most
of that time was to install the OS. Sorry when you tell these stories,
realize that the vast majority of computer users use Windows machines and
they have few problems installing HDs.
John
John
On some systems maybe. Thats assuming you have done it before on the same
system. Try doing it on an HP. Or a Compaq. Some models of Dell. The
vast majority of machines out there will take at least 30 minutes for you to
figure out and install a drive in them. Assuming you have never opened up
the machine before. G5 takes under 5 minutes for someone who has never
done the job before. 3 minutes for someone that has done it before.
Then about ten minutes to format
> the drive under XP and that's it. The only time it takes more time is
> if I ghost my old drive to the new one. Then it might take 30
> minutes. Not an hour, 30 minutes. I find that most problems are
> caused by people who don't know what they're doing.
I didn't know what I was doing on the G5. Yet I did it in under 5 minutes.
Sure if someone installs disk drives professionally they can do it much
quicker. An experienced Apple hardware person probably could have done the
install that took me 5 minutes in under 3.
In my shop we
> rarely have a problem installing drives. What kind of PCs are you
> using and what is your level of experience? I ask because even a
> person with limited knowledge can install a HD in a PC with no
> hassles.
>
> John
Thats where you're offtrack - again!. We are talking about the average
computer user who HA NEVER installed a drive before. In a G5 they can do it
in 10 minutes. On the average PC it would take them an hour assuming they
have never done it before. And that is ANY PC.
John
You run a shop MORON. Of course if one does 5 disk installs a day they will
be able to do it in minutes. How about someone who has never done it
before??
John Slade
"Rgdawson" <rg...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:rgdon-936B9C....@news.uswest.net...
> gaz...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > A G5 tower is pretty much going to be in a standard configuration -
> > there are literally thousands (millions?) of possible PC hardware
> > configurations and cases - of course it is going to take longer in some
> > than it does in others.
> >
> > I've never had to take more than 10 minutes out to install a hard drive
> > into a Windows machine. Everything is "plug and play" in the true sense
> > of the phrase.
>
> The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a masterstroke
> of engineering,
Oooo popa toonie, I think we have a loonie. No it isn't a masterstrok of
engineering. If it was, they wouldn't need to big ass watter cooling units
in it.
> no PC has this level of polish to installing a 2nd HD.
You're crazy. It's the same proceture and sometimes more polished on a
PC when you buy a preformatted drive.
> Even the Screws are nicely set for installation. It's not much harder
> than a Light Bulb. When you see it or do it, you'll see what I and John
> are talking about. NO PC or Mac for that matter has this level of
> engineering to "just to install a drive".
They have thumb screws for HD installation for any machine. It's as
easy as pie. However I want to know what makes Apple's screws any better
than everyone else's screws. Do they pull them out of Steve Jobs ass?
John
John Slade
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1109348116.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> John wrote:
> > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> installed the
> > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> retainer over
> > it.
>
> Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> all.
>
> > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> > disk.
>
> Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac. I
> remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
>
> > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
> software
> > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
> software.
>
> What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
Because it allows you to make choices. Typically Apple users dislike
more than one choice because they might get confused and that can cause
depression.
John
John
> "Rgdawson" <rg...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rgdon-936B9C....@news.uswest.net...
>> gaz...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> A G5 tower is pretty much going to be in a standard configuration -
>>> there are literally thousands (millions?) of possible PC hardware
>>> configurations and cases - of course it is going to take longer in
>>> some than it does in others.
>>>
>>> I've never had to take more than 10 minutes out to install a hard
>>> drive into a Windows machine. Everything is "plug and play" in the
>>> true sense of the phrase.
>>
>> The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a
>> masterstroke of engineering,
>
> Oooo popa toonie, I think we have a loonie. No it isn't a
> masterstrok of engineering. If it was, they wouldn't need to big ass
> watter cooling units in it.
>
I have opened up many PCs. The G5 is the most technologically advanced
and best laid out (and neatest) of any I have ever seen. Had you ever
laid hands on one you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself.
LawsonE
"John Slade" <hitm...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:kHQTd.7329$OU1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...[...]
>>
>> The G5 pretty much a standard configuration? Nope. It's a masterstroke
>> of engineering,
>
> Oooo popa toonie, I think we have a loonie. No it isn't a masterstrok
> of
> engineering. If it was, they wouldn't need to big ass watter cooling units
> in it.
Ummm, how else would you dissipate the heat from dual-G5's in a PC-sized
box?
John
As a person who runs a PC shop John has never seen anything as powerful as a
G5 processor, much less two of them.
LawsonE
There are Intel-based systems that require that kind of cooling, I believe.
Quad-processor systems, perhaps?
abby...@gmail.com
John wrote:
> Thats where you're offtrack - again!. We are talking about the
average
> computer user who HA NEVER installed a drive before. In a G5 they
can do it
> in 10 minutes. On the average PC it would take them an hour
assuming they
> have never done it before. And that is ANY PC.
Modern PC, not a problem. See my post above, my wife did it for the
first time took her less than 10 minutes and i wasn't even home. Took
her longer to drive to Office Max and stand in line to buy the drive
than install and format.
Brent
3l33td00d
See what? It boots just fine. I've booted XP from a add-on card, RAID
controller, or whatever. Can you tell me what problem you had and I
might
be able to help you. Did you go out and buy a cheap card?
John
[quote]
Around three years ago, I purchased an Promise Ultra ATA/100 add-in PCI
card to use in one of my computers with a bad IDE connector on the
motherboard. I used a 40GB Western Digital Drive and had no trouble
booting to Windows 98.
A few months later, I decided to upgrade my PCs to Windows 2000 (I
know, I was a few years late on this, but whatever) and the
installation goes just fine -- but afterwards I am no longer able to
boot from this drive. Windows 2000 (and also XP) will begin starting up
just fine -- I can see the Windows logo, etc -- but then they each hang
with blue screens before I can ever reach the desktop. Obviously,
Windows can read the drive, because when I boot from a different drive
(connected to the motherboard) I can still acess all of my files. And
obviously Windows is capable of booting from this drive, or else it
would not be able to see the operating system at all.
And yes, I added the third-party drivers for the Promise card during
Windows setup. So what's the problem? Win98 worked fine. Do you
consider Promise or Western Digital to be cheap companies?
If you have a solution for this, I would love to know. Although
considering that both the drive and the card are currently collecting
dust on the shelf (as I type this on my Mac) it really doesn't matter.
ZnU
Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> In article <111tgj5...@news.supernews.com>,
> "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Neil Bradley wrote:
> > > John wrote:
> > >> installed the guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and
> > >>>> slid the retainer over it. Booted up the computer and it offered
> > >>>> me a chance to initialize the disk. That brought up Disk Utility
> > >>>> automatically where I partitioned it and it was then ready to go.
> > >>>> Absolutely no disk manufacturer software required or the need to
> > >>>> use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly software.
> I was amazed because it took me about as long to get the cover on and
> off as it did to actually install the drive on my tower G5. It was done
> within a 2 minute period... and a bit of that was spent looking around
> at the innards... damn clean in there.
Seriously, the G5 looks better on the inside than most Wintel machines
look on the outside.
There's a lot of airflow through there, though, so things get a bit
dusty after a while. But I've had my G5 for something over a year now,
and it's not as bad as I expected. I guess the straight-through airflow
paths result in most dust that gets sucked in just going right out the
back.
I'll probably get a can of compressed air and blow it out one of these
days. The lack of a big nest of wires in there should make that job much
easier.
--
Is Bush wearing a LifeVest defibrillator?
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/136872/
ZnU
"LawsonE" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Well, you could just use really loud fans. That's probably what most
Wintel OEMs would do. Apple cares more.
Steve Carroll
ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
Yeah... I've noticed that it doesn't get as dirty as my G4 dual tower
did. It does crank up in the noise dept. upon occasion but part of this
may be due to the Nvidia graphics card.
--
"stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
Sandman
Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have a G4
Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in comparison. If
you mean that when the fans spin up when you do CPU-intensive tasks, then I'd
agree that it can get a little louder.
I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
--
Sandman[.net]
Steve Carroll
Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
I have the water cooled one myself and every now and then the fans come
on for a brief period. It's not so bad that I've enclosed it, (as many
PC's used for audio end up). I'm sure it's not as loud as the MDD model
G4 as it's not even as loud as my old G4... which was one of the models
prior to the MDD and supposedly not nearly as loud. I've heard that it
may be the graphics card fan making much of the noise we hear. I believe
you have the same high end Nvidia 6800 Ultra card, right?
Snit
noone-E81399....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 2/26/05 2:47 PM:
> "stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
As has been pointed out, Steve, you are attributing your own quote to me.
It was first seen in this post:
You, not I, are the author of the quote.
Since you and I have discussed this very quote in the past, there is no
chance you made this error by mistake. You are simply lying.
Sandman
Carroll <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> I'll probably get a can of compressed air and blow it out one of
>>>> these days. The lack of a big nest of wires in there should make
>>>> that job much easier.
>>>
>>> Yeah... I've noticed that it doesn't get as dirty as my G4 dual
>>> tower did. It does crank up in the noise dept. upon occasion but
>>> part of this may be due to the Nvidia graphics card.
>>
>> Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have
>> a G4 Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in
>> comparison. If you mean that when the fans spin up when you do
>> CPU-intensive tasks, then I'd agree that it can get a little louder.
>>
>> I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
>
> I have the water cooled one myself and every now and then the fans
> come on for a brief period. It's not so bad that I've enclosed it, (as
> many PC's used for audio end up). I'm sure it's not as loud as the
> MDD model G4 as it's not even as loud as my old G4... which was one of
> the models prior to the MDD and supposedly not nearly as loud. I've
> heard that it may be the graphics card fan making much of the noise we
> hear. I believe you have the same high end Nvidia 6800 Ultra card,
> right?
Yep. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Bruce Williams
> Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have a G4
> Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in comparison. If
> you mean that when the fans spin up when you do CPU-intensive tasks, then I'd
> agree that it can get a little louder.
I agree that under certain conditions, the G5 towers can become very
loud, there are what, 9 fans in there?
> I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
I doubt very much that there is actual _water_ in there.
From http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html
"... sophisticated liquid cooling system ..."
"This system provides a continuous flow of thermally conductive fluid
that transfers heat from the processors ..."
--
Bruce.
ZnU
<42216614$0$13713$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Bruce Williams <bruce.w...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Water is a thermally conductive fluid, and has the benefits of being
cheap and non-toxic.
--
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply
ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."
-- George W. Bush in Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005
Timberwoof
Bruce Williams <bruce.w...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
I don't like that diagram.
It shows the cooled fluid going through the heat exchanger for one CPU, then
going through the heat exchanger for the other CPU, finally to return to the
radiator with the fan. That guarantees that the second CPU will always run
hotter than the first. I would not design it that way.
Okay, I understand that a proper diagram, in which the pipe leading from the
heat splits before going to both CPUs, and then the pipes from the CPUs join
again before returning to the radiator, would be visually more cluttered. I
suppose I'll have to go to the Apple Store to check out how this really works.
But you have to admit ... that G5 looks much better designed than ANY PC I've
ever seen the insides of. Since that's a disprovable assertion, I welcome links
to pictures of better-designed Wintel PCs. (Oh, and don't tell me that looks
aren't important. There are shops all over the place in Silicon Valley that sell
PC enclosures that light up, adjustable fans, and round (instead of flat) disk
drive cables. A stock G5 still looks better than any riced-out PC.)
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Jim Polaski
> John wrote:
> > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> installed the
> > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> retainer over
> > it.
>
> Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> all.
>
> > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize the
> > disk.
>
> Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac. I
> remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
More of your lack of knowledge.
>
> > That brought up Disk Utility automatically where I partitioned it
> > and it was then ready to go. Absolutely no disk manufacturer
> software
> > required or the need to use Windows XPs built in user unfriendly
> software.
>
> What's so unfriendly about the Windows XP disk utility?
>
> > Installed and system up in less than 5 minutes.
>
> Yawn... oh, I'm sorry, was this supposed to impress us?
>
> > By the way the drive didn't
> > even say on the box that it was compatible with Mac.
>
> Ah, I see... you're bragging about your stroke of good luck... I had
> to use FWB Disktools to get my second HD to work on my Mac...
>
--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while
expecting that he will get nothing in return!"
Jim Polaski
Why didn't you replace the PS which solves that problem? I've got a MDD
G4 and that's what was done. Quiet as my old G4 Sawtooth.
Jim Polaski
"John Slade" <hitm...@pacbell.net> wrote:
You've NEVER opened a G5 or any current Mac for that matter, not to also
mention zero experience with OS X.
Edwin
Jim Polaski wrote:
> In article <1109348116.3...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > John wrote:
> > > Just installed a 300 Gig Maxtor SATA drive in my new G5. I
> > installed the
> > > guide screws and dropped the drive into the slots and slid the
> > retainer over
> > > it.
> >
> > Some PCs have drive bays where the drives install with no screws at
> > all.
> >
> > > Booted up the computer and it offered me a chance to initialize
the
> > > disk.
> >
> > Which kills the possibilty of running more than one OS on the Mac.
I
> > remember the annoyance of having to tell my Mac I didn't want to
> > initialize my BEOS partition, every time I booted it up in Mac OS.
>
> More of your lack of knowledge.
You quote a whole post, just to insert a one-line baseless accusation?
Why don't you dazzle with your knowledge on the subject, Jim?
[snip]
Steve Hix
ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <42216614$0$13713$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> Bruce Williams <bruce.w...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Sandman wrote:
> > > Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have a G4
> > > Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in
> > > comparison. If
> > > you mean that when the fans spin up when you do CPU-intensive tasks, then
> > > I'd
> > > agree that it can get a little louder.
> >
> > I agree that under certain conditions, the G5 towers can become very
> > loud, there are what, 9 fans in there?
> >
> > > I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
> >
> > I doubt very much that there is actual _water_ in there.
> >
> > From http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html
> >
> > "... sophisticated liquid cooling system ..."
> >
> > "This system provides a continuous flow of thermally conductive fluid
> > that transfers heat from the processors ..."
>
> Water is a thermally conductive fluid, and has the benefits of being
> cheap and non-toxic.
IIRC, the fluid is a mix of water and propylene glycol.
Sandman
Polaski <jpol...@NOSPMync.net> wrote:
>>>> I'll probably get a can of compressed air and blow it out one of
>>>> these days. The lack of a big nest of wires in there should make
>>>> that job much easier.
>>>
>>> Yeah... I've noticed that it doesn't get as dirty as my G4 dual
>>> tower did. It does crank up in the noise dept. upon occasion but
>>> part of this may be due to the Nvidia graphics card.
>>
>> Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have
>> a G4 Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in
>> comparison. If you mean that when the fans spin up when you do
>> CPU-intensive tasks, then I'd agree that it can get a little louder.
>>
>> I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
>
> Why didn't you replace the PS which solves that problem? I've got a
> MDD G4 and that's what was done. Quiet as my old G4 Sawtooth.
I built a hush-box instead!
http://www.sandman.net/texter/read.php?id=42009
With a 120 mm steel fan that made virtually no sound at all. Worked real nice.
Now the quicksilver is on the garage as a server. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
Bruce Williams <bruce.w...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Wait a minute, are you saying your G5 is louder than your G4? I have
>> a G4 Mirror Drive Door (the windtunnel) and the G5 is _dead quiet_ in
>> comparison. If you mean that when the fans spin up when you do
>> CPU-intensive tasks, then I'd agree that it can get a little louder.
>
> I agree that under certain conditions, the G5 towers can become very
> loud, there are what, 9 fans in there?
Yep.
>> I have the water-cooled G5, perhaps that one is even more quiet.
>
> I doubt very much that there is actual _water_ in there.
>
> From http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html
>
> "... sophisticated liquid cooling system ..."
>
> "This system provides a continuous flow of thermally conductive fluid
> that transfers heat from the processors ..."
So it's not pure h2o, but the term fits. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Bruce Williams
>>Water is a thermally conductive fluid, and has the benefits of being
>>cheap and non-toxic.
>
>
> IIRC, the fluid is a mix of water and propylene glycol.
Well, there is my lesson learned for the day. I thought they would have
used liquids more like those found in the early Cray computers, then I
think about that and think how dangerous it would be.
--
Bruce.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
I'm not stating you are the author of the quote.
--
Snit
You should learn what the notation that you are using means, then. You
clearly, and dishonestly, are trying to attribute a quote you authored to
me.
As usual, you are trying to play some silly semantic game to weasel out of
your lies. There is no doubt that you are lying, and the proof is above.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in post
> noone-4E29E6....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 2/28/05 3:36 PM:
>
> > In article <BE4656E8.57F9%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> > Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> >> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in post
> >> noone-E81399....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 2/26/05 2:47 PM:
> >>
> >>> "stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
> >>
> >> As has been pointed out, Steve, you are attributing your own quote to me.
> >> It was first seen in this post:
> >>
> >> http://snipurl.com/d2ra
> >>
> >> You, not I, are the author of the quote.
> >>
> >> Since you and I have discussed this very quote in the past, there is no
> >> chance you made this error by mistake. You are simply lying.
> >
> > I'm not stating you are the author of the quote.
>
> You should learn what the notation that you are using means, then. You
> clearly, and dishonestly, are trying to attribute a quote you authored to
> me.
>
> As usual, you are trying to play some silly semantic game to weasel out of
> your lies. There is no doubt that you are lying, and the proof is above.
What's wrong, Snit? You don't like it when people use your tactics?
--
Snit
>>>>> "stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
>>>>
>>>> As has been pointed out, Steve, you are attributing your own quote to me.
>>>> It was first seen in this post:
>>>>
>>>> http://snipurl.com/d2ra
>>>>
>>>> You, not I, are the author of the quote.
>>>>
>>>> Since you and I have discussed this very quote in the past, there is no
>>>> chance you made this error by mistake. You are simply lying.
>>>
>>> I'm not stating you are the author of the quote.
>>
>> You should learn what the notation that you are using means, then. You
>> clearly, and dishonestly, are trying to attribute a quote you authored to
>> me.
>>
>> As usual, you are trying to play some silly semantic game to weasel out of
>> your lies. There is no doubt that you are lying, and the proof is above.
No comment, Steve? Why is that? Why is it that you feel the need to run
from your lie.
You have been caught red handed lying, Steve. Period. Below you try to
change the topic by blaming your lie on me. LOL! Not only do you attribute
your comments to me, you blame me for your lies. Take responsibility for
your own actions and stop acting like you are lying due to being a victim.
> What's wrong, Snit? You don't like it when people use your tactics?
--
"Reality can simply be snipped away" - Steve Carroll
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
Don't you have any original material of your own? You don't have a
creative bone in your body, do you? LOL!
>
> > What's wrong, Snit? You don't like it when people use your tactics?
--
Snit
> In article <BE48FF7C.6373%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in post
>> noone-C2C218....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 2/28/05 4:57 PM:
>>
>>>>>>> "stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As has been pointed out, Steve, you are attributing your own quote to me.
>>>>>> It was first seen in this post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/d2ra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You, not I, are the author of the quote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you and I have discussed this very quote in the past, there is no
>>>>>> chance you made this error by mistake. You are simply lying.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not stating you are the author of the quote.
>>>>
>>>> You should learn what the notation that you are using means, then. You
>>>> clearly, and dishonestly, are trying to attribute a quote you authored to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> As usual, you are trying to play some silly semantic game to weasel out of
>>>> your lies. There is no doubt that you are lying, and the proof is above.
>>
>> No comment, Steve? Why is that? Why is it that you feel the need to run
>> from your lie.
>>
>> You have been caught red handed lying, Steve. Period. Below you try to
>> change the topic by blaming your lie on me. LOL! Not only do you attribute
>> your comments to me, you blame me for your lies. Take responsibility for
>> your own actions and stop acting like you are lying due to being a victim.
Still no comment about your lie, Steve? Why is that. Just so you do not
let it get too buried in our back and forth with you running from your lie,
the specific lie of yours that we are talking about is this:
Steve Carroll has repeatedly, despite corrections, made the following
attribution:
"stop forcing me to confront truths I can't deal with." - Snit
Steve, however, is the author of that quote, as shown here:
Steve has, again, been caught lying.