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jay birdsong
May 20, 2013, 7:58:05 PM5/20/13
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What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/apple-just-can-t-help-innovating.html?cmpid=yhoo
"Apple sought the Holy Grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore
entities holding tens of billions of dollars, while claiming to be tax
resident nowhere."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-stateless-subsidiaries-lower-tax-211338736.html
"Using an unusual global tax structure, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) has kept
billions of dollars in profits in Irish subsidiaries to pay little or
no taxes to any government, a Senate report on the company's offshore
tax structure said on Monday."
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/levin-says-apple-uses-offshore-units-to-avoid-taxes-9U2DtKg2SG2WHFAAqMSUgw.html?cmpid=yhoo
"U.S. Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and Senator John
McCain, an Arizona Republican, speak at a news conference in
Washington about a congressional investigation into Apple Inc.'s
alleged use of offshore entities to avoid paying billions of dollars
in U.S. taxes. The world's most valuable technology company has $102
billion in offshore accounts and shifted billions in profits out of
the U.S. into affiliates based in Ireland where it negotiated a tax
rate of less than 2 percent, according to a report by the Senate
Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/05/20/apple-used-loopholes-to-skip-paying-44-billion-in-u-s-taxes-senate-committee-claims/?partner=yahootix
"Apple relied on a “complex web of offshore entities” and U.S. tax
loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/apple-just-can-t-help-innovating.html?cmpid=yhoo
"Apple sought the Holy Grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore
entities holding tens of billions of dollars, while claiming to be tax
resident nowhere."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-stateless-subsidiaries-lower-tax-211338736.html
"Using an unusual global tax structure, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) has kept
billions of dollars in profits in Irish subsidiaries to pay little or
no taxes to any government, a Senate report on the company's offshore
tax structure said on Monday."
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/levin-says-apple-uses-offshore-units-to-avoid-taxes-9U2DtKg2SG2WHFAAqMSUgw.html?cmpid=yhoo
"U.S. Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and Senator John
McCain, an Arizona Republican, speak at a news conference in
Washington about a congressional investigation into Apple Inc.'s
alleged use of offshore entities to avoid paying billions of dollars
in U.S. taxes. The world's most valuable technology company has $102
billion in offshore accounts and shifted billions in profits out of
the U.S. into affiliates based in Ireland where it negotiated a tax
rate of less than 2 percent, according to a report by the Senate
Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/05/20/apple-used-loopholes-to-skip-paying-44-billion-in-u-s-taxes-senate-committee-claims/?partner=yahootix
"Apple relied on a “complex web of offshore entities” and U.S. tax
loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
Lloyd
May 20, 2013, 11:21:47 PM5/20/13
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In article <kned2o$qnq$1...@dont-email.me>,
Instead of bitching about Apple does it, those congress critters ought
to put away their clown suits and do something about it. An
investigation by those two is nothing but a CYA. Remember it is the
Congress that passed the laws that allows for just what Apple is doing.
to put away their clown suits and do something about it. An
investigation by those two is nothing but a CYA. Remember it is the
Congress that passed the laws that allows for just what Apple is doing.
Alan Baker
May 21, 2013, 12:39:01 AM5/21/13
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..."cheating"?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Jon
May 21, 2013, 7:07:22 AM5/21/13
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On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
Yeah, but what about the other guys who "Don't do evil"?
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
jay birdsong
May 21, 2013, 7:36:55 AM5/21/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-AAA28...@news.shawcable.net...
> tax
> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>How is taking advantage of what the law allows....
>..."cheating"?
Can't you fix that broken text problem?
> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>How is taking advantage of what the law allows....
>..."cheating"?
snip dcs
-hh
May 21, 2013, 9:17:38 AM5/21/13
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html
Or:
http://tinyurl.com/googlie-bermuda-no-taxi
Plus:
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/19/former-google-exec-turns-whistleblower-on-companys-tax-avoidance-machinations-in-the-uk/
at:
http://tinyurl.com/googlie-whistleblower
Plus many similar citations, often going back years:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
-hh
jay birdsong
May 21, 2013, 9:25:43 AM5/21/13
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"-hh" wrote in message
news:9d774a0d-cba9-484b...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>
> > What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
Nashton
May 21, 2013, 10:10:50 AM5/21/13
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explain why the fact that other companies engage in tax dodging makes it
OK for Apple to do same.
Idiot.
Nashton
May 21, 2013, 10:13:20 AM5/21/13
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On 5/21/2013 8:36 AM, jay birdsong wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-AAA28...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <kned2o$qnq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-AAA28...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <kned2o$qnq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
>> "Apple relied on a “complex web of offshore entities†and U.S. tax
>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
>> How is taking advantage of what the law allows....
>
>> ..."cheating"?
>
> Can't you fix that broken text problem?
>
> snip dcs
Define "broken", LOL!
>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
>> How is taking advantage of what the law allows....
>
>> ..."cheating"?
>
> Can't you fix that broken text problem?
>
> snip dcs
Justin
May 21, 2013, 10:50:30 AM5/21/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
I do it - by breaking the law.
So does Microsoft.
-hh
May 21, 2013, 11:47:25 AM5/21/13
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On May 21, 10:10 am, Nashton <n...@na.com> wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 10:17 AM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
> >> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>
> >>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
> >> Yeah, but what about the other guys who "Don't do evil"?
>
> > You mean such as...
>
> >http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in...
> On 5/21/2013 10:17 AM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
> >> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>
> >>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
> >> Yeah, but what about the other guys who "Don't do evil"?
>
> > You mean such as...
>
>
> > Or:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/googlie-bermuda-no-taxi
>
> > Plus:
>
> >http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/19/former-google-exec-turns-whistleblow...
>
> > at:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/googlie-whistleblower
>
> > Plus many similar citations, often going back years:
>
> >http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60...
> > at:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/googlie-whistleblower
>
> > Plus many similar citations, often going back years:
>
>
> > -hh
>
> As we await the poser's description of a specific diagram, please
> explain why the fact that other companies engage in tax dodging
> makes it OK for Apple to do same.
What you've missed is that once again, your recurring "outrage" is
> > -hh
>
> As we await the poser's description of a specific diagram, please
> explain why the fact that other companies engage in tax dodging
> makes it OK for Apple to do same.
biased, which simply reveals your hypocrisy and bigotry to the public.
> Idiot.
It sucks to be you: oh, what a bitter, bitter pill you've swallowed,
Snit!
-hh
jay birdsong
May 21, 2013, 12:21:17 PM5/21/13
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"Justin" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...
bait. Hehehehehe.
Snit
May 21, 2013, 12:26:25 PM5/21/13
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On 5/20/13 8:21 PM, in article
lloydparsons-907E...@news.eternal-september.org, "Lloyd"
corporate taxes in 2012. They are hardly the only ones playing this game.
Yes, the rules are completely insane and need to be changed. And Apple is
working to have them be changed.
--
"Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my
corpse, the first being scientific or medical use." -- Richard Stallman
lloydparsons-907E...@news.eternal-september.org, "Lloyd"
<lloydp...@me.com> wrote:
>> "Apple relied on a �complex web of offshore entities� and U.S. tax
>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
> Instead of bitching about Apple does it, those congress critters ought
> to put away their clown suits and do something about it. An
> investigation by those two is nothing but a CYA. Remember it is the
> Congress that passed the laws that allows for just what Apple is doing.
Also, do not forget that Apple reportedly paid around 2.5% of *all* 2012
>> "Apple relied on a �complex web of offshore entities� and U.S. tax
>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
> Instead of bitching about Apple does it, those congress critters ought
> to put away their clown suits and do something about it. An
> investigation by those two is nothing but a CYA. Remember it is the
> Congress that passed the laws that allows for just what Apple is doing.
corporate taxes in 2012. They are hardly the only ones playing this game.
Yes, the rules are completely insane and need to be changed. And Apple is
working to have them be changed.
--
"Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my
corpse, the first being scientific or medical use." -- Richard Stallman
Justin
May 21, 2013, 5:57:55 PM5/21/13
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Justin
May 21, 2013, 6:00:37 PM5/21/13
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Whoah! This is not exactly the group for that, man.
Gary
May 21, 2013, 6:26:35 PM5/21/13
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Those senators got a taste of Apple and choked.
Everything is legal so good on Apple.
If they want to close loopholes then go ahead but dont just sit there
and cry about it.
jay birdsong
May 21, 2013, 7:29:42 PM5/21/13
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"Justin" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:25:43 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> "-hh" wrote in message
> news:9d774a0d-cba9-484b...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
>> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>>
>> > What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
> I'm gay!
So what do you want, the bone? I'm sure there's a club near you where
> "-hh" wrote in message
> news:9d774a0d-cba9-484b...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
>> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>>
>> > What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
> I'm gay!
you can find what you crave. Poor widdle fishie, so dumb.
jay birdsong
May 21, 2013, 7:30:56 PM5/21/13
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"Justin" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...
On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:21:17 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> "Justin" wrote in message
> news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...
>
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>
>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
>
>>Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>>I do it - by breaking the law.
>>So does Microsoft.
>
> Splash................GULP!!! Widdle fishie couldn't pass up the
> bait.
> Hehehehehe.
We know. I guess when the gays troll their dicks you can't pass those
up either.
Flint
May 22, 2013, 1:32:55 PM5/22/13
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On 5/20/2013 7:58 PM, jay birdsong wrote:
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/apple-just-can-t-help-innovating.html?cmpid=yhoo
>
>
> "Apple sought the Holy Grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore
> entities holding tens of billions of dollars, while claiming to be tax
> resident nowhere."
>
>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-stateless-subsidiaries-lower-tax-211338736.html
>
>
> "Using an unusual global tax structure, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) has kept
> billions of dollars in profits in Irish subsidiaries to pay little or
> no taxes to any government, a Senate report on the company's offshore
> tax structure said on Monday."
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/levin-says-apple-uses-offshore-units-to-avoid-taxes-9U2DtKg2SG2WHFAAqMSUgw.html?cmpid=yhoo
>
>
> "U.S. Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and Senator John
> McCain, an Arizona Republican, speak at a news conference in
> Washington about a congressional investigation into Apple Inc.'s
> alleged use of offshore entities to avoid paying billions of dollars
> in U.S. taxes. The world's most valuable technology company has $102
> billion in offshore accounts and shifted billions in profits out of
> the U.S. into affiliates based in Ireland where it negotiated a tax
> rate of less than 2 percent, according to a report by the Senate
> Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations"
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/05/20/apple-used-loopholes-to-skip-paying-44-billion-in-u-s-taxes-senate-committee-claims/?partner=yahootix
>
>
> "Apple relied on a �complex web of offshore entities� and U.S. tax
> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/apple-just-can-t-help-innovating.html?cmpid=yhoo
>
>
> "Apple sought the Holy Grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore
> entities holding tens of billions of dollars, while claiming to be tax
> resident nowhere."
>
>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-stateless-subsidiaries-lower-tax-211338736.html
>
>
> "Using an unusual global tax structure, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) has kept
> billions of dollars in profits in Irish subsidiaries to pay little or
> no taxes to any government, a Senate report on the company's offshore
> tax structure said on Monday."
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/levin-says-apple-uses-offshore-units-to-avoid-taxes-9U2DtKg2SG2WHFAAqMSUgw.html?cmpid=yhoo
>
>
> "U.S. Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and Senator John
> McCain, an Arizona Republican, speak at a news conference in
> Washington about a congressional investigation into Apple Inc.'s
> alleged use of offshore entities to avoid paying billions of dollars
> in U.S. taxes. The world's most valuable technology company has $102
> billion in offshore accounts and shifted billions in profits out of
> the U.S. into affiliates based in Ireland where it negotiated a tax
> rate of less than 2 percent, according to a report by the Senate
> Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations"
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/05/20/apple-used-loopholes-to-skip-paying-44-billion-in-u-s-taxes-senate-committee-claims/?partner=yahootix
>
>
> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
>
>
>
Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have to
> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>
>
>
>
say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
--
MFB
Gary
May 22, 2013, 3:05:32 PM5/22/13
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Whats wrong with them paying as little tax as possible?
Gary
May 22, 2013, 3:11:12 PM5/22/13
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>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have to
> say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
fishies bitin?
>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have to
> say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
What are you talkin about flint, this is an Apple forum.
not really a board for you to start telling us stories about your pet fish.
Nashton
May 22, 2013, 3:31:53 PM5/22/13
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On 05-22-13 4:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 2013-05-21 14:10:50 +0000, Nashton said:
>
>> On 5/21/2013 10:17 AM, -hh wrote:
>>> On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
>>>> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but what about the other guys who "Don't do evil"?
>>>
>>> You mean such as...
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html
>>>
>
> Or:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/googlie-bermuda-no-taxi
>
> Plus:
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/19/former-google-exec-turns-whistleblower-on-companys-tax-avoidance-machinations-in-the-uk/
>
>
> at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/googlie-whistleblower
>
>
This serves no purpose, as far as incriminating Apple in particular for
> On 2013-05-21 14:10:50 +0000, Nashton said:
>
>> On 5/21/2013 10:17 AM, -hh wrote:
>>> On May 21, 7:07 am, Jon <j...@no-email.org> wrote:
>>>> On 21/05/2013 12:58 am, jay birdsong wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but what about the other guys who "Don't do evil"?
>>>
>>> You mean such as...
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html
>>>
>
> Or:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/googlie-bermuda-no-taxi
>
> Plus:
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/19/former-google-exec-turns-whistleblower-on-companys-tax-avoidance-machinations-in-the-uk/
>
>
> at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/googlie-whistleblower
>
>
tax avoidance.
The fact that the "other guy does it too", doesn't make it any less
reprehensible.
> Plus
>>>
>>> many similar citations, often going back years:
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
>>>
>
> -hh
>
>
> As
>>>
>> we await the poser's description of a specific diagram, please explain
>> why the fact that other companies engage in tax dodging makes it OK
>> for Apple to do same.
>>
>> Idiot.
>
> Why not Nashton?
>
>
> Whats wrong with them paying as little tax as possible?
>
Lloyd
May 22, 2013, 3:48:49 PM5/22/13
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In article <knj6f6$78l$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
> This serves no purpose, as far as incriminating Apple in particular for
> tax avoidance.
> The fact that the "other guy does it too", doesn't make it any less
> reprehensible.
Since there is nothing reprehensible, unethical or illegal to avoid
paying more taxes than the law requires, what is your fucking point?
wrote:
> This serves no purpose, as far as incriminating Apple in particular for
> tax avoidance.
> The fact that the "other guy does it too", doesn't make it any less
> reprehensible.
paying more taxes than the law requires, what is your fucking point?
Nashton
May 22, 2013, 3:52:27 PM5/22/13
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On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>
>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
>
> Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>
>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>
>
> Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> I do it - by breaking the law.
> So does Microsoft.
Irrelevant.
>
Lloyd
May 22, 2013, 5:15:15 PM5/22/13
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In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
>
Correct, evading taxes is against the law.
Legally avoiding paying taxes is not.
wrote:
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
>
Legally avoiding paying taxes is not.
Justin
May 22, 2013, 6:23:26 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:52:27 -0300, Nashton wrote:
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>>
>>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
No.
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
>>
>>> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
Helping escaping slaves was a criminal offence.
>
>> I do it - by breaking the law.
>
> See above.
>
>> So does Microsoft.
>
> Irrelevant.
Not exactly. Microsoft does it, and nobody here seems to care. Why
single out Apple?
jay birdsong
May 22, 2013, 6:59:09 PM5/22/13
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"Justin" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.05...@hatespam.edu...
too smart - such as you. Was it the glue that cost you a few billion
neurons?
Alan Baker
May 23, 2013, 3:21:32 AM5/23/13
to
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
jay birdsong
May 23, 2013, 8:12:11 AM5/23/13
to
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
> On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> >
> >
> > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
>
> It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
>And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
snip dumb cunt sig
Nashton
May 23, 2013, 8:31:32 AM5/23/13
to
a function of what is legal. How shortsighted of you.
But since this concerns Apple, all bets are off. The defense of the
morally deprived is the usual: "others do it too", "did they break any
laws" and various and sundry spin-doctoring attempts from the usual
suspects.
Lloyd
May 23, 2013, 9:06:34 AM5/23/13
to
In article <knl270$19o$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 4:48 PM, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <knj6f6$78l$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This serves no purpose, as far as incriminating Apple in particular for
> >> tax avoidance.
> >> The fact that the "other guy does it too", doesn't make it any less
> >> reprehensible.
> >
> > Since there is nothing reprehensible, unethical or illegal to avoid
> > paying more taxes than the law requires, what is your fucking point?
> >
>
> The behavior of a corporation/individual is not and shouldn't be, merely
> a function of what is legal. How shortsighted of you.
>
Legal and ethical, with some passing of the fiduciary responsibility to
the stockholders is what it is all about. IF and only if the gov't
decides that they need/want more taxes from corporations, they can
change the laws. Of course they most likely won't do it.
> But since this concerns Apple, all bets are off. The defense of the
> morally deprived is the usual: "others do it too", "did they break any
> laws" and various and sundry spin-doctoring attempts from the usual
> suspects.
Corporations don't have 'morals' in the sense you seem to think they
should. They have legal, ethical and financial sense.
And it isn't Apple at all, it is all the multi-nationals.
wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 4:48 PM, Lloyd wrote:
> > In article <knj6f6$78l$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This serves no purpose, as far as incriminating Apple in particular for
> >> tax avoidance.
> >> The fact that the "other guy does it too", doesn't make it any less
> >> reprehensible.
> >
> > Since there is nothing reprehensible, unethical or illegal to avoid
> > paying more taxes than the law requires, what is your fucking point?
> >
>
> The behavior of a corporation/individual is not and shouldn't be, merely
> a function of what is legal. How shortsighted of you.
>
the stockholders is what it is all about. IF and only if the gov't
decides that they need/want more taxes from corporations, they can
change the laws. Of course they most likely won't do it.
> But since this concerns Apple, all bets are off. The defense of the
> morally deprived is the usual: "others do it too", "did they break any
> laws" and various and sundry spin-doctoring attempts from the usual
> suspects.
should. They have legal, ethical and financial sense.
And it isn't Apple at all, it is all the multi-nationals.
-hh
May 23, 2013, 10:04:29 AM5/23/13
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On May 23, 9:06 am, Lloyd <lloydpars...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> And it isn't Apple at all, it is all the multi-nationals.
Which is what invokes the broader question of just how should a multi-
>
>
> And it isn't Apple at all, it is all the multi-nationals.
national corporation optimize their organizational structure for the
products & services that they provide.
This question only comes about when the inherent costs of operations
in different geographical regions - - which includes the local laws of
the applicable governments - - creates differences which are
significant enough to the company to invoke a reassessment.
For example, if taxes and warranties were set at the same levels
worldwide, there would be no particular cost differentials with which
to respond to.
But they're not uniform, and there's ample examples of various
accomodations for certain types of activity. For example, individual
US citizens can be eligible for the 'Foreign Earned Income Exclusion"
of up to $95,100 per year (2012).
Here's the short form:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f2555ez.pdf
Yes, that's a $95K deduction off of individual income, which most
people would probably consider to be a pretty "spectacular"
deduction. Regardless, it has been part of the existing tax code for
years, available to all US citizens, and exists because the US
regulators chose to put it there, which also means that it is expected
to be used. The same basic principle applies to the policies set by
every other country in the world.
And granted, there are some accidental "loopholes" which get
overlooked. but the true accidents are closed pretty promptly: when
one has remained in existance for 10, 20, 30 or more years, it simply
isn't an accidental oversight anymore, but a purposeful exception.
-hh
Alan Baker
May 23, 2013, 10:49:54 AM5/23/13
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Alan Baker
May 23, 2013, 11:06:25 AM5/23/13
to
said.
It is you trolls who treat very ordinary facts of business differently...
...if it concerns Apple.
:-)
jay birdsong
May 23, 2013, 11:07:45 AM5/23/13
to
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
In article <knl0r4$3hg$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-1BC39...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > >
> > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> >
> > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
>
> >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
>
> You're the tax expert - you tell us.
>I'm not the one making the claims...
How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
snip dumb cunt sig.
Alan Baker
May 23, 2013, 11:10:54 AM5/23/13
to
In article <knlb49$sst$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
> How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-7DFE9...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knl0r4$3hg$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-1BC39...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > >
> > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> >
> > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> >
> > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
>
> >I'm not the one making the claims...
>
> In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US Senate.
They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-7DFE9...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knl0r4$3hg$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-1BC39...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > >
> > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> >
> > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> >
> > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
>
> >I'm not the one making the claims...
>
> In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US Senate.
>
> How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
jay birdsong
May 23, 2013, 12:20:55 PM5/23/13
to
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
In article <knlb49$sst$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-7DFE9...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knl0r4$3hg$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-1BC39...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > >
> > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> >
> > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> >
> > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
>
> >I'm not the one making the claims...
>
> In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US Senate.
>They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
your problem.
NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
them.
>
> How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
>I have no idea what you're talking about.
whatever entity you call God? Rubbing your dirty little hands
together in anticipation? It must suck to be you, waiting for a
parent to die for your biggest paycheck. Too bad you never earned
anything on your own. It must suck to be you.
One less day to payday!!
snip creepy dumb cunt sig.
Alan Baker
May 23, 2013, 12:56:37 PM5/23/13
to
In article <knlfdf$mae$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
> NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> them.
Newsflash: politicians are interested in optics.
>
> >
> > How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
>
> >I have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> AH!! Selective ignorance. Counting the days, Dick? Praying to
> whatever entity you call God? Rubbing your dirty little hands
> together in anticipation? It must suck to be you, waiting for a
> parent to die for your biggest paycheck. Too bad you never earned
> anything on your own. It must suck to be you.
Nope. My father died quite a while ago and my mother is in good health,
thanks for your interest.
:-)
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > > >
> > > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> > >
> > > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > >
> > > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
> >
> > >I'm not the one making the claims...
> >
> > In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US Senate.
>
> >They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
>
>
> The link supplied, Brain, was to Bloomberg. Carry on to them about
> your problem.
Bloomberg didn't post it HERE.
> > > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the core.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > > >
> > > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> > >
> > > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > >
> > > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
> >
> > >I'm not the one making the claims...
> >
> > In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US Senate.
>
> >They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
>
>
> The link supplied, Brain, was to Bloomberg. Carry on to them about
> your problem.
>
> NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> them.
>
> >
> > How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
>
> >I have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> AH!! Selective ignorance. Counting the days, Dick? Praying to
> whatever entity you call God? Rubbing your dirty little hands
> together in anticipation? It must suck to be you, waiting for a
> parent to die for your biggest paycheck. Too bad you never earned
> anything on your own. It must suck to be you.
thanks for your interest.
:-)
jay birdsong
May 23, 2013, 5:27:12 PM5/23/13
to
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
In article <knlfdf$mae$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton
> > > <na...@na.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the
> > > > >> core.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > > >
> > > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> > >
> > > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > >
> > > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
> >
> > >I'm not the one making the claims...
> >
> > In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US
> > Senate.
>
> >They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
>
>
> The link supplied, Brain, was to Bloomberg. Carry on to them about
> your problem.
>Bloomberg didn't post it HERE.
>
> NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> them.
>Newsflash: politicians are interested in optics.
>
> >
> > How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
>
> >I have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> AH!! Selective ignorance. Counting the days, Dick? Praying to
> whatever entity you call God? Rubbing your dirty little hands
> together in anticipation? It must suck to be you, waiting for a
> parent to die for your biggest paycheck. Too bad you never earned
> anything on your own. It must suck to be you.
>Nope. My father died quite a while ago and my mother is in good
>health,
>thanks for your interest.
Yes, I can see you on the Deathwatch, hoping and praying for that
> >
> > How's the "Deathwatch" progressing? Another day nearer to payday.
>
> >I have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> AH!! Selective ignorance. Counting the days, Dick? Praying to
> whatever entity you call God? Rubbing your dirty little hands
> together in anticipation? It must suck to be you, waiting for a
> parent to die for your biggest paycheck. Too bad you never earned
> anything on your own. It must suck to be you.
>Nope. My father died quite a while ago and my mother is in good
>health,
>thanks for your interest.
paycheck. The sooner the better, eh Loser?
>:-)
oIo
Alan Baker
May 24, 2013, 2:11:55 AM5/24/13
to
In article <knm1bp$4js$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
> >
> > NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> > them.
>
> >Newsflash: politicians are interested in optics.
>
> Says you.
Says pretty much everyone with any level of intelligence.
Which explains the problem you're having.
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-78014...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knlfdf$mae$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton
> > > > <na...@na.ca>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the
> > > > > >> core.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> > > >
> > > > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > > >
> > > > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
> > >
> > > >I'm not the one making the claims...
> > >
> > > In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US
> > > Senate.
> >
> > >They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
> >
> >
> > The link supplied, Brain, was to Bloomberg. Carry on to them about
> > your problem.
>
> >Bloomberg didn't post it HERE.
>
> Take up your issue with Bloomberg - they wrote it, Brain.
They didn't post it.
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-78014...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <knlfdf$mae$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <knj7lo$ard$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton
> > > > <na...@na.ca>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 05-21-13 11:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:58:05 -0400, jay birdsong wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> What a great corporate citizen - Apple, rotten to the
> > > > > >> core.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing wrong with evading taxes.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a criminal offense. Is that not wrong enough for you?
> > > >
> > > > >And the evidence that Apple is breaking the law is...
> > > >
> > > > You're the tax expert - you tell us.
> > >
> > > >I'm not the one making the claims...
> > >
> > > In that case; take up your problem with Bloomberg and the US
> > > Senate.
> >
> > >They're not the ones posting in CSMA...
> >
> >
> > The link supplied, Brain, was to Bloomberg. Carry on to them about
> > your problem.
>
> >Bloomberg didn't post it HERE.
>
> Take up your issue with Bloomberg - they wrote it, Brain.
>
> >
> > NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> > them.
>
> >Newsflash: politicians are interested in optics.
>
> Says you.
Which explains the problem you're having.
Flint
May 24, 2013, 7:55:29 AM5/24/13
to
>>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have
>> to say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
>
> fishies bitin?
>
> What are you talkin about flint, this is an Apple forum.
>
> not really a board for you to start telling us stories about your pet
> fish.
>
>
1> This isn't a 'board', per se. The term 'boards' is more applicable
>>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have
>> to say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
>
> fishies bitin?
>
> What are you talkin about flint, this is an Apple forum.
>
> not really a board for you to start telling us stories about your pet
> fish.
>
>
to the BBS (bulletin board system) days going back to the painful old
300-2400 baud dial-up days, and were moderated forums usually centered
around the 'SIG' (special interest group) concept. CSMA (unlike the
largely moderated BBS's of yesteryear)is an >unmoderated< forum that
requires no user account/password, and as such, exists more in what
constitutes the 'international waters' of the internet.
2> As anyone will tell you, international waters are exactly where one
does 'deep sea' fishing... :)
--
MFB
jay birdsong
May 24, 2013, 8:00:30 AM5/24/13
to
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
>
> >
> > NEWSFLASH!!!!! The Senate has an issue with Apple also - moan to
> > them.
>
> >Newsflash: politicians are interested in optics.
>
> Says you.
>Says pretty much everyone with any level of intelligence.
>Which explains the problem you're having.
wearing on you. But, look at the bright side; one less day to payday.
snip dumb cunt sig.
Justin
May 24, 2013, 9:01:05 AM5/24/13
to
Gary
May 24, 2013, 4:46:29 PM5/24/13
to
jealous?
If you were making alot of money you would find every avenue to pay as
little as poss, dont give us your holier then now bullshit
Gary
May 24, 2013, 4:48:42 PM5/24/13
to
>>>> loopholes to avoid paying billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on $44
>>>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have
>>> to say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
>>
>> fishies bitin?
>>
>> What are you talkin about flint, this is an Apple forum.
>>
>> not really a board for you to start telling us stories about your pet
>> fish.
>>
>>
>
> 1> This isn't a 'board', per se. The term 'boards' is more applicable
> to the BBS (bulletin board system) days going back to the painful old
> 300-2400 baud dial-up days, and were moderated forums usually centered
> around the 'SIG' (special interest group) concept. CSMA (unlike the
> largely moderated BBS's of yesteryear)is an >unmoderated< forum that
> requires no user account/password, and as such, exists more in what
> constitutes the 'international waters' of the internet.
>
> 2> As anyone will tell you, international waters are exactly where one
> does 'deep sea' fishing... :)
lol
>>>> billion in offshore income over the past four years,"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Although we disagree on Apple's 'tax cheat' status, I have do have
>>> to say - good OP. The fishies are a bitin' today :)
>>
>> fishies bitin?
>>
>> What are you talkin about flint, this is an Apple forum.
>>
>> not really a board for you to start telling us stories about your pet
>> fish.
>>
>>
>
> 1> This isn't a 'board', per se. The term 'boards' is more applicable
> to the BBS (bulletin board system) days going back to the painful old
> 300-2400 baud dial-up days, and were moderated forums usually centered
> around the 'SIG' (special interest group) concept. CSMA (unlike the
> largely moderated BBS's of yesteryear)is an >unmoderated< forum that
> requires no user account/password, and as such, exists more in what
> constitutes the 'international waters' of the internet.
>
> 2> As anyone will tell you, international waters are exactly where one
> does 'deep sea' fishing... :)
jay birdsong
May 24, 2013, 5:01:16 PM5/24/13
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"Justin" wrote in message news:knnoah$hkv$2...@dont-email.me...
the beach to breath air. But the glue seems to have done it's job for
me.
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