Apple as seen through the 'PRISM'...

[Flint]

Sooooooooooooo, it turns out Apple IS INDEED another scumbag corporation:

http://techreport.com/news/24923/nsa-prism-program-collecting-data-from-microsoft-google-facebook-others

"The program has allegedly been active since 2007, when the NSA first
started grabbing data from Microsoft. Yahoo was added in 2008 along
with Google, Facebook, and Paltalk the following year. YouTube, Skype,
AOL, and Apple have since joined the party, as well. The NSA has
access to different data for each provider, according to one slide,
but it looks like emails, photos, stored data, file transfers, and
chat logs are all up for grabs..."

--
MFB

[Alan Baker]

In article <kot73d$grl$1...@dont-email.me>,

Again, even if true, how is Apple a "scumbag" corporation for following
a law?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <kot73d$grl$1...@dont-email.me>,
Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:

'Several companies contacted by The Post said they had no knowledge of
the program, did not allow direct government access to their servers and
asserted that they responded only to targeted requests for information.

³We do not provide any government organization with direct access to
Facebook servers,² said Joe Sullivan, chief security officer for
Facebook. ³When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific
individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance
with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent
required by law.²

³We have never heard of PRISM,² said Steve Dowling, a spokesman for
Apple. ³We do not provide any government agency with direct access to
our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get
a court order.²'

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data
-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0
da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html>

More:

'It is possible that the conflict between the PRISM slides and the
company spokesmen is the result of imprecision on the part of the NSA
author. In another classified report obtained by The Post, the
arrangement is described as allowing ³collection managers [to send]
content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at
company-controlled locations,² rather than directly to company servers.

Government officials and the document itself made clear that the NSA
regarded the identities of its private partners as PRISM¹s most
sensitive secret, fearing that the companies would withdraw from the
program if exposed. ³98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo,
Google and Microsoft; we need to make sure we don¹t harm these sources,²
the briefing¹s author wrote in his speaker¹s notes.'

Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the text...

...or anything else your little troll brain can think of to avoid the
fact that your post is far from proving ANYTHING.

[Flint]

On 6/7/2013 2:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <kot73d$grl$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:
>
>> Sooooooooooooo, it turns out Apple IS INDEED another scumbag corporation:
>>
>> http://techreport.com/news/24923/nsa-prism-program-collecting-data-from-micros
>> oft-google-facebook-others
>>
>> "The program has allegedly been active since 2007, when the NSA first
>> started grabbing data from Microsoft. Yahoo was added in 2008 along
>> with Google, Facebook, and Paltalk the following year. YouTube, Skype,
>> AOL, and Apple have since joined the party, as well. The NSA has
>> access to different data for each provider, according to one slide,
>> but it looks like emails, photos, stored data, file transfers, and
>> chat logs are all up for grabs..."
>
> Again, even if true, how is Apple a "scumbag" corporation for following
> a law?
>

Perhaps you can cite this 'law' for us? FYI, there is no "law" per
se, only an improper misuse/abuse of the FISA court for an illegal
data mining "fishing expedition" where no probable cause is
established or sworn to in front of a judge, but a dipshit judge even
agreed to this bullshit. BTW, the FISA court is *supposed* to stand
for ">>>>FOREIGN<<<<< Intelligence Survellance Act Court", and does
not lawfully provide for the wholesale domestic data mining which IS
prohibited by the U.S. Constitution 4th amendment under 'unreasonable
search and seizure'.

--
MFB

[Flint]

On 6/7/2013 2:14 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> łWe have never heard of PRISM,˛ said Steve Dowling, a spokesman for
> Apple.

A Non-statement.

It isn't necessary to have 'heard' of the PRISM program to forward
specific types of requested data.



> łWe do not provide any government agency with direct access to
> our servers,

So what about INDIRECT access, as in a 'store-n-forward' data dumps?
Again, not exactly an unequivocal denial as would initially appear...

> and any government agency requesting customer data must get

> a court order.˛'

Which, apparently is the case as per the FISA court. Note that
Apple's statement makes no mention of them carefully scrutinizing the
validity of the FISA court order.

>
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data
> -from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0
> da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html>
>
> More:
>
> 'It is possible that the conflict between the PRISM slides and the
> company spokesmen is the result of imprecision on the part of the NSA
> author. In another classified report obtained by The Post, the

> arrangement is described as allowing łcollection managers [to send]

> content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at
> company-controlled locations,˛ rather than directly to company servers.
>
> Government officials and the document itself made clear that the NSA

> regarded the identities of its private partners as PRISMąs most

> sensitive secret, fearing that the companies would withdraw from the

> program if exposed. ł98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo,
> Google and Microsoft; we need to make sure we donąt harm these sources,˛
> the briefingąs author wrote in his speakerąs notes.'

>
> Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the text...

> ...or anything else your little troll brain can think of to avoid the
> fact that your post is far from proving ANYTHING.

Apparently your little lemming brain cannot conceive of Apple ever
fucking up...



--
MFB

[Alan Baker]

In article <kot8n0$qer$1...@dont-email.me>,

The "Protect America Act" of 2007.

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-A1EAB...@news.shawcable.net...

>Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the
>text...

There's a post I just put up which addresses how to fix your broken
links, Dick. Is it your too stupid, or you want the attention?

snip dumb cunt sig.

[Alan Baker]

In article <kotauo$822$1...@dont-email.me>,

You mean the one where it talks about enclosing the URL in angle
brackets...

...as I always do?

:-)

[Gary]

Yes flint, they are terrible…..really scary.

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message

news:alangbaker-A09A6...@news.shawcable.net...

In article <kotauo$822$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A1EAB...@news.shawcable.net...
>
>
> >Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the
> >text...
>
> There's a post I just put up which addresses how to fix your broken
> links, Dick. Is it your too stupid, or you want the attention?

>You mean the one where it talks about enclosing the URL in angle
>brackets...

>...as I always do?

So your choice is "stupid". OK.

snip dumb cunt sig.

[Alan Baker]

In article <kotfe8$34g$1...@dont-email.me>,

"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A09A6...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <kotauo$822$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-A1EAB...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> >
> > >Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the
> > >text...
> >
> > There's a post I just put up which addresses how to fix your broken
> > links, Dick. Is it your too stupid, or you want the attention?
>
> >You mean the one where it talks about enclosing the URL in angle
> >brackets...
>
> >...as I always do?
>
> So your choice is "stupid". OK.
>
> snip dumb cunt sig.

Simple facts, Michael.

You accepted that angle brackets are the key...

...and I always use them.

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message

news:alangbaker-87633...@news.shawcable.net...

In article <kotfe8$34g$1...@dont-email.me>,
"jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A09A6...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> In article <kotauo$822$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "jay birdsong" <jaybi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-A1EAB...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> >
> > >Now do be a good little troll and complain about the link, or the
> > >text...
> >
> > There's a post I just put up which addresses how to fix your
> > broken
> > links, Dick. Is it your too stupid, or you want the attention?
>
> >You mean the one where it talks about enclosing the URL in angle
> >brackets...
>
> >...as I always do?
>
> So your choice is "stupid". OK.
>
> snip dumb cunt sig.

>Simple facts, Michael.

>You accepted that angle brackets are the key...

>...and I always use them.

So your choice is "stupid". OK

Time to flush, Turd. Bye.


snip dumb cunt sig.

[Alan Baker]

In article <kotgu5$c2c$1...@dont-email.me>,

Played again!

[Flint]

Again, show the specific language of the act that authorizes the
wholesale >domestic< data mining.

Hint: it *doesn't* have specific language for that purpose because it
has to be overseen by the FISA court AND Congress.

[Tim Adams]

In article <kot8n0$qer$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:

> On 6/7/2013 2:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <kot73d$grl$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Sooooooooooooo, it turns out Apple IS INDEED another scumbag corporation:
> >>
> >> http://techreport.com/news/24923/nsa-prism-program-collecting-data-from-mic
> >> ros
> >> oft-google-facebook-others
> >>
> >> "The program has allegedly been active since 2007, when the NSA first
> >> started grabbing data from Microsoft. Yahoo was added in 2008 along
> >> with Google, Facebook, and Paltalk the following year. YouTube, Skype,
> >> AOL, and Apple have since joined the party, as well. The NSA has
> >> access to different data for each provider, according to one slide,
> >> but it looks like emails, photos, stored data, file transfers, and
> >> chat logs are all up for grabs..."
> >
> > Again, even if true, how is Apple a "scumbag" corporation for following
> > a law?
> >
>
> Perhaps you can cite this 'law' for us?

Apparently flint can't even comprehend the article he linked to where it said
"U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has issued a statement
claiming that the law making such data collection legal expressedly forbids
government agencies from targeting "any U.S. citizen"

of course the article made no claims that the data being mined (IF it is even
true!) is from U.S. citizen accounts.

[jay birdsong]

"Tim Adams" wrote in message
news:teadams$2$0$0$3-142599.07...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...

And a fool like you believes that!!

>of course the article made no claims that the data being mined (IF it
>is even
>true!) is from U.S. citizen accounts.

And a fool like you believes that also!!!!

You can bet that as we speak, any phone numbers, linked to phone
numbers in certain foreign countries are flagged and watched for
activity. It doesn't matter if the number on this end belongs to a US
citizen.

You can also bet, as was publicized ten years ago and swept under the
carpet that, EVERY phone call is electronically monitored, and if
certain words are spoken, that number is flagged and watched for
additional activity.

You can bet that any political groups on Usenet, are being monitored.

And you can bet, Dim, an asshole like you will be among some of the
first to disappear into some unknown hole when they round up "enemies
of the state", never to resurface.

Your fucking stupidity and naivety, are mind boggling.

Read this, you dumb fuck:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

[Flint]

On 6/8/2013 7:34 AM, Tim Adams wrote:
> In article <kot8n0$qer$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/7/2013 2:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article <kot73d$grl$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Flint <agen...@section-31.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sooooooooooooo, it turns out Apple IS INDEED another scumbag corporation:
>>>>
>>>> http://techreport.com/news/24923/nsa-prism-program-collecting-data-from-mic
>>>> ros
>>>> oft-google-facebook-others
>>>>
>>>> "The program has allegedly been active since 2007, when the NSA first
>>>> started grabbing data from Microsoft. Yahoo was added in 2008 along
>>>> with Google, Facebook, and Paltalk the following year. YouTube, Skype,
>>>> AOL, and Apple have since joined the party, as well. The NSA has
>>>> access to different data for each provider, according to one slide,
>>>> but it looks like emails, photos, stored data, file transfers, and
>>>> chat logs are all up for grabs..."
>>>
>>> Again, even if true, how is Apple a "scumbag" corporation for following
>>> a law?
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you can cite this 'law' for us?
>
> Apparently flint can't even comprehend the article he linked to where it said
> "U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has issued a statement
> claiming that the law making such data collection legal expressedly forbids
> government agencies from targeting "any U.S. citizen"

Riiight... and the IRS doesn't target any citizens either.

Apparently you must have just arrived back on the planet and missed
the news, as the whole controversy is >centered< on >domestic<
customer data mining, silly.

>
> of course the article made no claims that the data being mined (IF it is even
> true!) is from U.S. citizen accounts.
>
>
>> FYI, there is no "law" per
>> se, only an improper misuse/abuse of the FISA court for an illegal
>> data mining "fishing expedition" where no probable cause is
>> established or sworn to in front of a judge, but a dipshit judge even
>> agreed to this bullshit. BTW, the FISA court is *supposed* to stand
>> for ">>>>FOREIGN<<<<< Intelligence Survellance Act Court", and does
>> not lawfully provide for the wholesale domestic data mining which IS
>> prohibited by the U.S. Constitution 4th amendment under 'unreasonable
>> search and seizure'.

--
MFB

[Tim Adams]

running away noted!

>
> Apparently you must have just arrived back on the planet and missed
> the news, as the whole controversy is >centered< on >domestic<
> customer data mining, silly.

Still running I see. so typical

[Flint]

You are the one doing the running, "Timmy Dimmy". I've directly
addressed your ignorance with facts, and you have no valid intelligent
reponse.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> of course the article made no claims that the data being mined (IF it is
>>> even
>>> true!) is from U.S. citizen accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>>> FYI, there is no "law" per
>>>> se, only an improper misuse/abuse of the FISA court for an illegal
>>>> data mining "fishing expedition" where no probable cause is
>>>> established or sworn to in front of a judge, but a dipshit judge even
>>>> agreed to this bullshit. BTW, the FISA court is *supposed* to stand
>>>> for ">>>>FOREIGN<<<<< Intelligence Survellance Act Court", and does
>>>> not lawfully provide for the wholesale domestic data mining which IS
>>>> prohibited by the U.S. Constitution 4th amendment under 'unreasonable
>>>> search and seizure'.

--
MFB

[jay birdsong]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message

news:alangbaker-3C5C9...@news.shawcable.net...

YOU WIN!!!!!! You get the last word!!!

[Tim Adams]

Yes I know you are. You wanted the 'law' that allowed it and that 'law' was
referenced in the very article you posted. Everything after that simple FACT
that went over your head was you running away. Keep running.

~snip

[Flint]

So you can provide an exact quote of the law you're citing, right?


I thought not...

--
MFB

[Alan Baker]

In article <kp3m33$oe7$2...@dont-email.me>,

"The primary surveillance authority granted by the FISA Amendments Act
is found in Section 702 of FISA. Section 702 permits the Government to
conduct domestic electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence
information from individuals who are non-U.S. persons, and who are
reasonably believed to be located outside the United States. "

[Tim Adams]

In article <kp3m33$oe7$2...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net>

So you don't believe the article you posted was accurate in saying that there was a law that was being followed?
FYI, Read about the Patriot Act!

[Flint]

Sooooo, just how is the >wholesale< data mining of domestic
callers-to-calling domestic caller collecting 'foreign intelligence'?
Where is the 'probable cause' as mandated by law? You're missing
the point of this latest revelation about the NSA. They doing an
overreach powerfrab, or a 'dragnet' which is >specifically< prohibited.

--
MFB

[Tim Adams]

In article <kp5400$avr$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net>

Do a little reading.
<http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18887491-fbi-sharply-increases-use-of-patriot-act-provision-to-collect-us-citizens-records?lite>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/kw2tm2l>

[Flint]

Why reread what I already know and have said before?

From your own link:

"Taken together, experts say, those revelations show the government
has broadly interpreted the Patriot Act provision as enabling it to
collect data not just on specific individuals, but on millions of
Americans with no suspected terrorist connections. And it shows that
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court accepted that broad
interpretation of the law."


Thanks for proving my point! :)

--
MFB

[Tim Adams]

In article <kp93h6$70s$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net>

To bad I never proved 'your point' but instead proved that you're claim that there was 'no law' to be totally WRONG!
keep running flint!

[Flint]

What are you babbling about now..."no law"? Bleat on Dimmy-boy. :-D

--
MFB

[Tim Adams]

In article <kpd0bs$mvi$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <agen...@section-31.net>

Forgot your own comments. So typical of a looser troll

[Alan Baker]

In article <kpd0bs$mvi$1...@dont-email.me>,

This started when I pointed out that Apple would be following a law, and
you implied (very strongly) that that wasn't the case.

[Tim Adams]

In article <alangbaker-2AA6C...@news.shawcable.net>,

and he's been ignoring that fact ever since!