Zune "Boom Box" announced
Super Spinner
How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
monstrosity?
Alan Baker
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL
I don't have to bet that you're already creaming your jeans about a
piece of vapourware...
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Snit
1159221846.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 9/25/06 3:04 PM:
> http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
>
> How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
> monstrosity?
>
You mean as it pisses all over itself? :)
Basically, it looks like it is a complete ripoff of the Apple item., but
with speakers that are more exposed and thus more likely to be damaged.
Yawn.
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George Graves
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
I see its just as clumsily designed as the Apple boombox.
Mitch
Well, it doesn't look to be very much better -- it's damn near
identical!
Talk about copying -- this is eMachines making an iMac copy all over
again. Does anyone believe that it's many similarities is only because
these are the practical ways to build such a device?
Obviously not -- from overall shape, general speaker location, and the
location and placement of the player device, this looks to be a copying
effort, not a new design.
Steven de Mena
"Snit" <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote in message
news:C13DA7CE.60BCF%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID...
> "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1159221846.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 9/25/06 3:04
> PM:
>
>> http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
>>
>> How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
>> monstrosity?
>>
> You mean as it pisses all over itself? :)
>
> Basically, it looks like it is a complete ripoff of the Apple item.,
> but
> with speakers that are more exposed and thus more likely to be
> damaged.
> Yawn.
I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that
and show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
Steve
J
Did anyone care when Apple brought out their "boombox" I mean other
than Steve?
I would think the same interest in this item. I bought a iPod for
portability not for anything else.
--
J
"If there is anything I can do for you or more to the point to you, let
me know."
Dave Fritzinger
J wrote:
> On 2006-09-25 18:04:06 -0400, "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> said:
>
> > http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
> >
> > How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
> > monstrosity?
>
> Did anyone care when Apple brought out their "boombox" I mean other
> than Steve?
>
> I would think the same interest in this item. I bought a iPod for
> portability not for anything else.
It is nice to have a *small* speaker system you can attach to an iPod.
I have one (with OK, but not great sound) and I use it when traveling
and when doing work away from my stereo system. I don't think I would
ever have the need for a large iPod speaker system, however.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
Snit
2cmdnT5ExpYW8IXY...@comcast.com on 9/25/06 5:00 PM:
I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out to
be true.
Mitch
<SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> > I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that and
> > show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
>
> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out to
> be true.
I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can remove
it if you want.
In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show the
speakers exposed. What is wrong?
Snit
on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
way is borderline dishonest. I am not saying it is on the same level as,
say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
that would be completely dishonest.
It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on the side
or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is generally hidden.
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ed
> "Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> stated in post 250920061646048984%mi...@hawaii.rr
> on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
>
> > In article <C13DDB89.60BF3%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>, Snit
> > <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> >
> >>> I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that and
> >>> show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
> >>
> >> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out to
> >> be true.
> >
> > I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
> > removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can remove
> > it if you want.
> > In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show the
> > speakers exposed. What is wrong?
>
> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
> in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
> way is borderline dishonest.
then you must be miffed about the 'design' page on the hi-fi:
http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/design.html
or the overview pages for it where they show the drivers uncovered very
prominently:
http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/
> I am not saying it is on the same level as,
> say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
> that would be completely dishonest.
>
> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on the side
> or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is generally hidden.
this might be one of your dumbest complaints ever.
Mojo
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
Ooooooooohhhhhhh....made for zoon! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Just
another rip of an Apple product.
Snit
1159241534.6...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on 9/25/06 8:32 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>> "Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> stated in post 250920061646048984%mi...@hawaii.rr
>> on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
>>
>>> In article <C13DDB89.60BF3%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>, Snit
>>> <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that
>>>>> and
>>>>> show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
>>>>
>>>> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out to
>>>> be true.
>>>
>>> I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
>>> removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can remove
>>> it if you want.
>>> In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show the
>>> speakers exposed. What is wrong?
>>
>> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
>> in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
>> way is borderline dishonest.
>
> then you must be miffed about the 'design' page on the hi-fi:
> http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/design.html
> or the overview pages for it where they show the drivers uncovered very
> prominently:
> http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/
Scroll down the page. Not even far. What do you see? That's right! The
product with the grill on it.
Had Apple shown only that image I would not be pleased... though I would
make no bigger deal about it than I am about the apparent copy-cat product
in question.
>
>> I am not saying it is on the same level as,
>> say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
>> that would be completely dishonest.
>>
>> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on the side
>> or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is generally hidden.
>
> this might be one of your dumbest complaints ever.
>
I never said you did not troll. Please do not go so far out of your way to
prove you do.
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Steven de Mena
"Snit" <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote in message
Nonsense. Go to http://www.bwspeakers.com, the speakers I have. You
have to dig deep to see any pictures of grills, although they all come
with them. Look at the ads in any high end audio magazine too.
Steve
ed
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> typed:
no sh!te sherlock, that's why i mentioned that the uncovered drivers were
displayed "prominently". and i notice you didn't comment on the first link,
with no grills...
<snip>
>>> I am not saying it is on the same level as,
>>> say, showing a completely different product or something of that
>>> nature - that would be completely dishonest.
>>>
>>> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on
>>> the side or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is
>>> generally hidden.
>>
>> this might be one of your dumbest complaints ever.
>>
> I never said you did not troll. Please do not go so far out of your
> way to prove you do.
your complaint about the speakers *IS* really stupid- speakers are, more
often than not, shown w/out the grille cover. here's some pages from
klipsch's site (what i have):
http://klipsch.com/products/lists/floorstanding.aspx
http://klipsch.com/products/lists/bookshelf-systems.aspx
http://klipsch.com/products/details/thx-ultra2.aspx
here's some pages from bestbuy's site- some w/ grilles, some w/out:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=cat03043
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?navLevel=5&type=category&navHistory=cat00000%2Bcat03000%2Bcat03030%2Bcat03042&id=cat03044
for the most part, a grille looks like a grille looks like a grille (at
least in pictures).
Snit
OE1Sg.7509$6S3....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net on 9/25/06 9:03 PM:
Ah, so now every mention of the product must have all views. Ed, you are
making an ass out of yourself. If you can show the apparent rip-off product
with images where they do have the grill on, by all means please do so.
If not, Ed, please do not spew your ignorant BS about how the two are doing
the same. If so, then splendid, my concerns have been answered.
Basically, Ed, this is a non issue you are freaking out about. The one page
I saw was, at least alone, borderline dishonest. Get over it.
> <snip>
>>>> I am not saying it is on the same level as,
>>>> say, showing a completely different product or something of that
>>>> nature - that would be completely dishonest.
>>>>
>>>> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on
>>>> the side or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is
>>>> generally hidden.
>>>
>>> this might be one of your dumbest complaints ever.
>>>
>> I never said you did not troll. Please do not go so far out of your
>> way to prove you do.
>
> your complaint about the speakers *IS* really stupid- speakers are, more
> often than not, shown w/out the grille cover. here's some pages from
> klipsch's site (what i have):
> http://klipsch.com/products/lists/floorstanding.aspx
> http://klipsch.com/products/lists/bookshelf-systems.aspx
> http://klipsch.com/products/details/thx-ultra2.aspx
>
> here's some pages from bestbuy's site- some w/ grilles, some w/out:
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=cat03043
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?navLevel=5&type=category&navHistory=ca
> t00000%2Bcat03000%2Bcat03030%2Bcat03042&id=cat03044
>
> for the most part, a grille looks like a grille looks like a grille (at
> least in pictures).
I clicked on one link, found it of little interest, and did not click on the
others. Your crusade is of little interest to me. Get over it.
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Snit
Are you suggesting if others are not fully honest in their advertising it
makes this example OK, too? If so, I disagree. If not, why point out
photos where the products are not shown fully?
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C Lund
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
In what way? Market share? Quality?
Frankly, I think Zune will go the same way as all the other
"iPod-killers" we've seen come and go the past few years. Even though
MS has the cash reserves to keep it afloat long after any normal
company would pull the plug on it.
--
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Henry Flam
J <webs...@fluidic.com> wrote:
> On 2006-09-25 18:04:06 -0400, "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> said:
>
> > http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
> >
> > How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
> > monstrosity?
>
> Did anyone care when Apple brought out their "boombox" I mean other
> than Steve?
>
> I would think the same interest in this item. I bought a iPod for
> portability not for anything else.
I bought an iHome copy of the boombox because there is a function which
let's me wake up to my tunes.
Henry Flam
Mitch <mi...@hawaii.rr> wrote:
No, it's another example of Microsoft innovation.
Steven de Mena
"Snit" <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote in message
Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me for your rediculous
argument regarding this.
Steve
Henry Flam
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> stated in post 250920061646048984%mi...@hawaii.rr
> on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
>
> > In article <C13DDB89.60BF3%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>, Snit
> > <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> >
> >>> I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that
> >>> and
> >>> show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
> >>
> >> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out
> >> to
> >> be true.
> >
> > I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
> > removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can remove
> > it if you want.
> > In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show the
> > speakers exposed. What is wrong?
>
> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
> in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
> way is borderline dishonest. I am not saying it is on the same level as,
> say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
> that would be completely dishonest.
Doesn't matter, it's advertising. Any lie, half-lie, equivocation is
honorable to sell product. Snit, you can be so dense sometimes.
Mojo
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
You know the Wintrolls are grasping at straws when the only thing they
have to post about is an announcement of a speaker for an unreleased MS
product. Hahahahahahahahahahaha! What a bunch of dumb-fucks!
Snit
>>>> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
>>>> in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
>>>> way is borderline dishonest. I am not saying it is on the same level as,
>>>> say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
>>>> that would be completely dishonest.
>>>>
>>>> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on the
>>>> side or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is generally
>>>> hidden.
>>>>
>>> Nonsense. Go to http://www.bwspeakers.com, the speakers I have. You have
>>> to dig deep to see any pictures of grills, although they all come with them.
>>> Look at the ads in any high end audio magazine too.
>>>
>> Are you suggesting if others are not fully honest in their advertising it
>> makes this example OK, too? If so, I disagree. If not, why point out photos
>> where the products are not shown fully?
>>
> Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me for your rediculous argument
> regarding this.
My life shall be incomplete without your approval. :)
Feel free to disagree with me.
Snit
hflam-FF8E38....@news.telus.net on 9/26/06 4:53 AM:
> In article <C13DE37E.60BF9%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> stated in post 250920061646048984%mi...@hawaii.rr
>> on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
>>
>>> In article <C13DDB89.60BF3%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>, Snit
>>> <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers do that
>>>>> and
>>>>> show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
>>>>
>>>> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it turns out
>>>> to
>>>> be true.
>>>
>>> I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
>>> removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can remove
>>> it if you want.
>>> In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show the
>>> speakers exposed. What is wrong?
>>
>> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on, at least
>> in most cases. To show the product in the less commonly used but "sexier"
>> way is borderline dishonest. I am not saying it is on the same level as,
>> say, showing a completely different product or something of that nature -
>> that would be completely dishonest.
>
> Doesn't matter, it's advertising. Any lie, half-lie, equivocation is
> honorable to sell product. Snit, you can be so dense sometimes.
You seem to agree that it is not fully honest - at least as it stands,
alone. If so, then we are largely in agreement.
>> It is a gray area. At the very least they should show the grill on the side
>> or something. It is not like it is a power brick that is generally hidden.
--
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€ Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
€ One can be actually guilty of a crime but neither tried nor convicted
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "ed" <news...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> stated in post
> OE1Sg.7509$6S3....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net on 9/25/06 9:03 PM:
>
> > In news:C13DF1CF.60BFD%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID,
> > Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> typed:
> >> "ed" <ne...@atwistedweb.com> stated in post
> >> 1159241534.6...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on 9/25/06 8:32
> >> PM:
> >>
> >>> Snit wrote:
> >>>> "Mitch" <mi...@hawaii.rr> stated in post
> >>>> 250920061646048984%mi...@hawaii.rr on 9/25/06 7:46 PM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <C13DDB89.60BF3%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>, Snit
> >>>>> <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will guess it will come with a removable grill. Many speakers
> >>>>>>> do that and
> >>>>>>> show the exposed view in the promo pictures as it looks sexier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope so... though that is borderline false advertising if it
> >>>>>> turns out to be true.
So it's "dishonest" to include grills that are not shown, to give you
*more* than they show in the view when you purchase one? Gee, somehow...
I think this is the kind of "dishonesty" most people would be happy to
receive from a manufacturer.
> >>>>> I don't think you understand this -- many such systems come with a
> >>>>> removeable front grille or foam cover. That is so that you can
> >>>>> remove
> >>>>> it if you want.
> >>>>> In advertising, they can therefore show it either way. They show
> >>>>> the speakers exposed. What is wrong?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, grill can be removable - but if you are wise you keep it on,
> >>>> at least in most cases.
Except for the case where you are trying to market it... you know, to
show that the grills can come off if you wish.
> To show the product in the less commonly
> >>>> used but "sexier" way is borderline dishonest.
> >>>
> >>> then you must be miffed about the 'design' page on the hi-fi:
> >>> http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/design.html
> >>> or the overview pages for it where they show the drivers uncovered
> >>> very prominently:
> >>> http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/
> >>
> >> Scroll down the page. Not even far. What do you see? That's right!
> >> The product with the grill on it.
> >
> > no sh!te sherlock, that's why i mentioned that the uncovered drivers were
> > displayed "prominently". and i notice you didn't comment on the first
> > link,
> > with no grills...
>
> Ah, so now every mention of the product must have all views.
Isn't that *your* beef here... that you saw a mention of the product
without all views?
> Ed, you are making an ass out of yourself.
Nah...but you are showing what a nit picking, hypocritical dimwit you
are... AGAIN.
> If you can show the apparent rip-off product
> with images where they do have the grill on, by all means please do so.
>
> If not, Ed, please do not spew your ignorant BS about how the two are doing
> the same. If so, then splendid, my concerns have been answered.
>
> Basically, Ed, this is a non issue you are freaking out about.
It's a non-issue that you got worked up over while quickly pulling out
the dishonesty label. Anyone who has ever shopped for speakers online or
looked at them in printed catalogs knows the reality here. You remember
reality, don't you? I know, you don't associate with it often (and you
feel the need to prove that every chance you get)... but you might still
have a distant memory of it.
> The one page I saw was, at least alone, borderline dishonest. Get over it.
How do you know it's "dishonest"? Have you received one with the
'dishonestly' included grills that were not shown? If you order one and
it shows up with grills you should call the police and a lawyer asap.
LOL!
--
Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
like myself - Snit
I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
Snit
noone-2D3B7C....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/26/06 8:42 AM:
> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> like myself - Snit
> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
You just can't stop yourself from begging. Pathetic.
The whole grill/no-gtrill issue is, really, of no consequence to me. I do
not know why ed made such a big deal of it, but in your case it is easy to
see - you saw I made a claim that is not popular, so you troll all over it
and lie about it... lying about my comments and spewing your normal hate
filled rubbish.
Take your circus elsewhere, Steve. You are of less interest to me than then
whole silly grill issue.
Oh, and since the real issue with you is your humiliation, I shall remind
you that you *still* never came up with a good counter argument to defend
Bush. Hey, what do you think of the recent news that he had made the threat
of terrorism worse? I bet that gives you warm fuzzies inside. LOL!
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-2D3B7C....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/26/06 8:42 AM:
>
> > Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> > Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> > like myself - Snit
> > I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
>
> You just can't stop yourself from begging. Pathetic.
>
> The whole grill/no-gtrill issue is, really, of no consequence to me.
Yet, it was you who labeled the ad dishonest. Heavy flow day, Snit? :)
--
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
I doubt he agrees. You are saying that it is dishonest for them to show
the ad with no grills. The only way this can be true is if they ship the
thing with a grill. That kind of 'dishonesty' isn't likely to bother
sane people.. which is why we find only you bothered here;)
Snit
>>> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
>>> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
>>> like myself - Snit
>>> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
>>
>> You just can't stop yourself from begging. Pathetic.
>>
>> The whole grill/no-gtrill issue is, really, of no consequence to me.
>
>
> Yet, it was you who labeled the ad dishonest. Heavy flow day, Snit? :)
>> I do not know why ed made such a big deal of it, but in your case it is easy
>> to see - you saw I made a claim that is not popular, so you troll all over it
>> and lie about it... lying about my comments and spewing your normal hate
>> filled rubbish.
Note: no comment from the coward Steve Carroll
>>
>> Take your circus elsewhere, Steve. You are of less interest to me than then
>> whole silly grill issue.
Note: no comment from the coward Steve Carroll
>> Oh, and since the real issue with you is your humiliation, I shall remind you
>> that you *still* never came up with a good counter argument to defend Bush.
>> Hey, what do you think of the recent news that he had made the threat of
>> terrorism worse? I bet that gives you warm fuzzies inside. LOL!
Note: no comment from the coward Steve Carroll
Poor Steve, still crying because his buddy Bush is not the hero he wants him
to be. You just can't face it. can you.
As far as the ad - I do not think it is as open and honest as it should be,
but I also do not think it is a big deal. You can make as big a deal of it
as you wish - to me, however, it is simply not a big deal. Have fun begging
for my attention. I respond sometimes to give you a variable rate schedule
of my responses to keep you salivating like Pavlov's dogs.
You are, after all, so incredibly easy to predict and manipulate. All
because of your intense hatred and bigotry... poor Steve... even he admits
he is a dishonest moronic asshole.
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C Lund wrote:
> In article <1159221846.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
> >
> > How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
> > monstrosity?
>
> In what way? Market share? Quality?
>
Looks, for one thing. Jobs' iPod Box is quite ugly, uncharacteristic
of Apple.
I'd bet the sound quality is better than Jobs' iPod Box too.
> Frankly, I think Zune will go the same way as all the other
> "iPod-killers" we've seen come and go the past few years. Even though
> MS has the cash reserves to keep it afloat long after any normal
> company would pull the plug on it.
MS isn't marketing "Zune" as an "iPod-killer"; they say it'll take at
least 5 years to be able to catch up.
But I don't agree that "Zune will go the same way as all the other"
players.
I would have agreed a few weeks ago, but I'm seeing Zune enthusiast
sites pop up all over the place. I saw a list of dozens of such sites.
There's one site whose forum already has thousands of posts. What
this means is that there is plenty of buzz for the Zune, much more than
any of iPod's previous competitors. I think this means that lots of
people think that the Zune is "cool" and it will be "cool" to own, just
like iPod, and unlike the other brands of players. That's iPod's main
weapon, the "cool" factor. There was a study that showed that
high-schoolers thought that Zen was better than iPod, but they would
rather have iPods because they're "cool". Many already are seeing Zune
as cool, and I could see high-schoolers thinking that Zune is "cooler"
than iPod because Zune is newer ("fresher"). If Zune aquires "cool",
then Apple's in deep trouble. (They can't afford a price war on iPod,
since it's their main source of income. MS can afford such a price
war.)
And have you seen iPod cause massive spontaneous excitement (bordering
on hysteria) like Zune did on the Ellen DeGeneres show? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irylEFW6KLs&eurl=
Alan Baker
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
> C Lund wrote:
> > In article <1159221846.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.vaf.com.au/zune.asp
> > >
> > > How much you want to bet that it pisses all over Jobs' iPod Box
> > > monstrosity?
> >
> > In what way? Market share? Quality?
> >
>
> Looks, for one thing. Jobs' iPod Box is quite ugly, uncharacteristic
> of Apple.
> I'd bet the sound quality is better than Jobs' iPod Box too.
What specifically makes this VAF's one better looking than Apple's? What
about Apple's is ugly?
>
>
> > Frankly, I think Zune will go the same way as all the other
> > "iPod-killers" we've seen come and go the past few years. Even though
> > MS has the cash reserves to keep it afloat long after any normal
> > company would pull the plug on it.
>
> MS isn't marketing "Zune" as an "iPod-killer"; they say it'll take at
> least 5 years to be able to catch up.
LOL
>
> But I don't agree that "Zune will go the same way as all the other"
> players.
> I would have agreed a few weeks ago, but I'm seeing Zune enthusiast
> sites pop up all over the place. I saw a list of dozens of such sites.
> There's one site whose forum already has thousands of posts. What
> this means is that there is plenty of buzz for the Zune, much more than
> any of iPod's previous competitors. I think this means that lots of
> people think that the Zune is "cool" and it will be "cool" to own, just
> like iPod, and unlike the other brands of players. That's iPod's main
> weapon, the "cool" factor. There was a study that showed that
> high-schoolers thought that Zen was better than iPod, but they would
> rather have iPods because they're "cool". Many already are seeing Zune
> as cool, and I could see high-schoolers thinking that Zune is "cooler"
> than iPod because Zune is newer ("fresher"). If Zune aquires "cool",
> then Apple's in deep trouble. (They can't afford a price war on iPod,
> since it's their main source of income. MS can afford such a price
> war.)
>
> And have you seen iPod cause massive spontaneous excitement (bordering
> on hysteria) like Zune did on the Ellen DeGeneres show? ;-)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irylEFW6KLs&eurl=
Wow. Microsoft engineers a grassroots campaign...
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I can see Zune becoming the favourite player of the 'Anything but iPod'
brigade, which could be a not inconsequential target market. I don't
see it dethroning iPod at the top of the tree, at least for the
foreseeable future, but Creative et al should be real worried.
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Mitch
Super Spinner <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
> But I don't agree that "Zune will go the same way as all the other"
> players.
> I would have agreed a few weeks ago, but I'm seeing Zune enthusiast
> sites pop up all over the place. I saw a list of dozens of such sites.
> There's one site whose forum already has thousands of posts. What
> this means is that there is plenty of buzz for the Zune, much more than
> any of iPod's previous competitors. I think this means that lots of
> people think that the Zune is "cool" and it will be "cool" to own, just
> like iPod, and unlike the other brands of players. That's iPod's main
> weapon, the "cool" factor. There was a study that showed that
> high-schoolers thought that Zen was better than iPod, but they would
> rather have iPods because they're "cool". Many already are seeing Zune
> as cool, and I could see high-schoolers thinking that Zune is "cooler"
> than iPod because Zune is newer ("fresher"). If Zune aquires "cool",
> then Apple's in deep trouble. (They can't afford a price war on iPod,
> since it's their main source of income. MS can afford such a price
> war.)
Microsoft has taken the strategy of using it's own employees to build
comment sites and fake blogs and other things to market their products
and generate positive commentary.
In other words, they are now paying their own employees to lie.
Microsoft doesn't have any problem with lying about their products and
in their marketing.
But let me ask you -- if the Zune isn't out, and no one has one, how
could there be fan sites? WHY would anyone have decided to be a fan of
a product they haven't seen, haven't heard, haven't held, and haven't
got specs on?
I doubt there is anyone -- unless they are just so convinced Microsoft
is the best developer of anything that they'll get behind it all.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-196763....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/26/06 9:22 AM:
>
> >>> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> >>> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> >>> like myself - Snit
> >>> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
> >>
> >> You just can't stop yourself from begging. Pathetic.
> >>
> >> The whole grill/no-gtrill issue is, really, of no consequence to me.
> >
> >
> > Yet, it was you who labeled the ad dishonest. Heavy flow day, Snit? :)
>
> >> I do not know why ed made such a big deal of it,
You wanted a comment, here's a comment: You made the big deal out if
things here... and you failed to explain how it would be "dishonest" for
this manufacturer to ship grills with their speaker system when they
don't show grills in the ad. Your position makes no sense... like most
every position you take.
(snip Snit's glue droolings)
--
Snit
> (snip Snit's glue droolings)
>
> --
> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> like myself - Snit
> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
Beggar. Yup, Steve, that's you.
Having fun begging for my attention? Does it make you happy? Does it make
you forget you have no reasonable defense for your buddy Bush?
<http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/bush/>
I noticed where you posited a new defense for him... where you claimed he
must be innocent because he has not and likely will not be charged and
spewed an idiotic straw man where you implied I stated he would be
charged... and then you lied and said nobody believes he is guilty.
Do you realize how pathetic you are?
Oh, wait. Even you have called yourself a dishonest moronic asshole. Yeah,
you *do* know how pathetic you are. Funny, eh?
Good day.
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€ A person's actions speak more about him than what others say
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John C. Randolph
>
> Did anyone care when Apple brought out their "boombox" I mean other
> than Steve?
and the tens of thousands of people who've bought them?
-jcr
C Lund
"Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
> C Lund wrote:
> > In article <1159221846.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Super Spinner" <Pepe....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Frankly, I think Zune will go the same way as all the other
> > "iPod-killers" we've seen come and go the past few years. Even though
> > MS has the cash reserves to keep it afloat long after any normal
> > company would pull the plug on it.
> MS isn't marketing "Zune" as an "iPod-killer"; they say it'll take at
> least 5 years to be able to catch up.
Assuming the iPod stands still...
> But I don't agree that "Zune will go the same way as all the other"
> players.
> I would have agreed a few weeks ago, but I'm seeing Zune enthusiast
> sites pop up all over the place. I saw a list of dozens of such sites.
> There's one site whose forum already has thousands of posts. What
> this means is that there is plenty of buzz for the Zune, much more than
> any of iPod's previous competitors. I think this means that lots of
> people think that the Zune is "cool" and it will be "cool" to own, just
> like iPod, and unlike the other brands of players.
It might also mean that MS has started another astroturfing campaign.
> That's iPod's main
> weapon, the "cool" factor. There was a study that showed that
> high-schoolers thought that Zen was better than iPod, but they would
> rather have iPods because they're "cool". Many already are seeing Zune
> as cool, and I could see high-schoolers thinking that Zune is "cooler"
> than iPod because Zune is newer ("fresher"). If Zune aquires "cool",
> then Apple's in deep trouble. (They can't afford a price war on iPod,
> since it's their main source of income. MS can afford such a price
> war.)
> And have you seen iPod cause massive spontaneous excitement (bordering
> on hysteria) like Zune did on the Ellen DeGeneres show? ;-)
Uh, when a talk-show host gives away something for free, the audience
*always* goes nuts.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irylEFW6KLs&eurl=
Read the viewer comments on that page. They don't seem all that
enthusiastic about the "Zune". For instance:
"That's the only way the Zune is going become popular: YOU HAVE TO
GIVE THEM AWAY! You missed the boat Microsoft, get over it!"
"God, those women are like a zoo animals being thrown food!! freaking
animals!! it's a piece of junk anyway..."
"Go check out the DRM on the new Windows Media Player.
Enjoy your Zune, suckers."
And yes, there were some comments that were positive to the Zune.
Some. Most were "meh".
--
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Super Spinner
Um, those comments were made by iPod fanboys, quite obviously. You
don't need to quote any of them for me, I already read them and read
the same comments from iPod fanboys at digg.com. The iPod fanboys and
MS haters are going to spread their bile, so what? Such comments speak
of fear more than anything else.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-885DDF....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/26/06 9:40 PM:
>
> > (snip Snit's glue droolings)
> >
> > --
> > Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> > Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> > like myself - Snit
> > I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
>
> Beggar. Yup, Steve, that's you.
>
> Having fun begging for my attention?
Asking you to support your position is begging? Uh... sure, Snit...
whatever you say. Bottom line: You *still* have failed to explain how it
would be "dishonest" for this manufacturer to ship grills with their
speaker system when they don't show grills in the ad... making your
position here as nonsensical as most of your other positions.
(snip Snit's feeble attempt to fire up his circus with OT delusions)
Snit
> In article <C13F5579.60CB9%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-885DDF....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/26/06 9:40 PM:
>>
>>> (snip Snit's glue droolings)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
>>> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
>>> like myself - Snit
>>> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
>>
>> Beggar. Yup, Steve, that's you.
>>
>> Having fun begging for my attention? Does it make you happy? Does it make
>> you forget you have no reasonable defense for your buddy Bush?
>> <http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/bush/>
>>
>> I noticed where you posited a new defense for him... where you claimed he
>> must be innocent because he has not and likely will not be charged and
>> spewed an idiotic straw man where you implied I stated he would be
>> charged... and then you lied and said nobody believes he is guilty.
>>
>> Do you realize how pathetic you are?
>>
>> Oh, wait. Even you have called yourself a dishonest moronic asshole. Yeah,
>> you *do* know how pathetic you are. Funny, eh?
>>
>> Good day.
>
> Asking you to support your position is begging? Uh... sure, Snit...
> whatever you say.
Please note, of course, that I did not say that. You are, again, lying.
You simply cannot help yourself but to lie about me ... hoping that I will
respond. And I sometimes do... but you don't seem happy with it. I do not
play your asinine games, I just point them out.
> Bottom line: You *still* have failed to explain how it
> would be "dishonest" for this manufacturer to ship grills with their
> speaker system when they don't show grills in the ad... making your
> position here as nonsensical as most of your other positions.
>
> (snip Snit's feeble attempt to fire up his circus with OT delusions)
I am not interested in your circus, Steve.
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Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
I know you didn't support your claim... I'm also quite sure you won't
answer my pertinent question regarding your claim. This is all just
business as usual for you.
(snip circus attempts by Snit)
> > Bottom line: You *still* have failed to explain how it
> > would be "dishonest" for this manufacturer to ship grills with their
> > speaker system when they don't show grills in the ad... making your
> > position here as nonsensical as most of your other positions.
> >
> > (snip Snit's feeble attempt to fire up his circus with OT delusions)
(crickets chirping)
Snit
>>> Asking you to support your position is begging? Uh... sure, Snit...
>>> whatever you say.
>>
>> Please note, of course, that I did not say that. You are, again, lying. You
>> simply cannot help yourself but to lie about me ... hoping that I will
>> respond. And I sometimes do... but you don't seem happy with it. I do not
>> play your asinine games, I just point them out.
>
> I know you didn't support your claim... I'm also quite sure you won't
> answer my pertinent question regarding your claim. This is all just
> business as usual for you.
>
> (snip circus attempts by Snit)
>
>>> Bottom line: You *still* have failed to explain how it
>>> would be "dishonest" for this manufacturer to ship grills with their
>>> speaker system when they don't show grills in the ad... making your
>>> position here as nonsensical as most of your other positions.
>>>
>>> (snip Snit's feeble attempt to fire up his circus with OT delusions)
>>
>> I am not interested in your circus, Steve.
>
> (crickets chirping)
You and your crickets can beg for my attention all you wish, Steve. The
facts will not change:
* You still have never found an honest counter argument to my comments
about Bush: <http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/bush/>. Ever since your
attempt and failure, *years* ago now, you have been trying to get
revenge - spewing hate and bigotry filled lies and other BS. You are
pathetic.
* You still like about me in your every post - begging for my attention
again and again. This supports my claims about you - and even you have
admitted you are a liar, a moron, and an asshole.
* You still lied when, above, you spewed your absurd straw man. Other than
to point out the fact that you are lying once again, there is no value in
having any discussion with you.
* Your circus is still asinine. I shan't play your games, Steve, but you
cannot help but respond, beg, and lie. You are my puppet. You simply
have no idea how easy you are to predict and manipulate... though I admit
I cannot alter your overall character and make you cease being a moronic
lying asshole. So be it.
By the way, I still find it funny how you no longer speak of the infidelity
you committed against your unmarried wife. Funny how you run from *that*
topic these days, eh? Are you still fantasizing about my emailing her and
going on road trips with her? Are your road trips not quite as pleasing as
they used to be?
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-992D23....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 9/27/06 12:32 PM:
>
> >>> Asking you to support your position is begging? Uh... sure, Snit...
> >>> whatever you say.
> >>
> >> Please note, of course, that I did not say that. You are, again, lying.
> >> You
> >> simply cannot help yourself but to lie about me ... hoping that I will
> >> respond. And I sometimes do... but you don't seem happy with it. I do
> >> not
> >> play your asinine games, I just point them out.
> >
> > I know you didn't support your claim... I'm also quite sure you won't
> > answer my pertinent question regarding your claim. This is all just
> > business as usual for you.
> >
> > (snip circus attempts by Snit)
> >
> >>> Bottom line: You *still* have failed to explain how it
> >>> would be "dishonest" for this manufacturer to ship grills with their
> >>> speaker system when they don't show grills in the ad... making your
> >>> position here as nonsensical as most of your other positions.
> >>>
> >>> (snip Snit's feeble attempt to fire up his circus with OT delusions)
> >>
> >> I am not interested in your circus, Steve.
> >
> > (crickets chirping)
>
> You and your crickets can
... ask you to support your position to no avail? Yes, I know...
everyone knows.
(snip delusional glue rant by Snit)
Snit
> (snip delusional glue rant by Snit)
>
> --
> Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD - Snit
> Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
> like myself - Snit
> I am a bigger liar than Steve - Snit
Funny, Steve, how you feel the need to beg for my attention in your every
post... but when I give it to you all you can do is snip and run. The
facts, however, stay the same:
Steven de Mena
"Snit" <SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID> wrote in message
> ? Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
> ? One can be actually guilty of a crime but neither tried nor
> convicted
I could have swore I just saw this crap 5 minutes ago.
I guarantee you I won't be seeing it again.
Grow up.
Steve
Snit
>
> I could have swore I just saw this crap 5 minutes ago.
>
> I guarantee you I won't be seeing it again.
>
> Grow up.
>
> Steve
I grow weary of Carroll's incessant lying about me. I have again been
giving him more attention than he deserves... and if it is bothersome to you
I shall reduce my schedule of rewards for him. Fair enough?
C Lund
Is that so obvious? The ones I quoted didn't say anything specific
about iPods - but rather about DRM, WMP, and MS. They could just as
easily be Creative fanbois.
> You
> don't need to quote any of them for me, I already read them and read
> the same comments from iPod fanboys at digg.com. The iPod fanboys and
> MS haters are going to spread their bile, so what? Such comments speak
> of fear more than anything else.
And the positive comments about Zune - were they all by MS fanbois?
--
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