EEE PC 701 SSD upgrade - what works?
Larry
Linux netbook, saying he wanted me to have it. I've got a larger RAM on
order as there was only about 1.8KB of free memory with just the browser
running (it has 512KB RAM) but keep reading horror stories about people
trying to upgrade it's 4GB SSD so I can actually install some extra Linux
programs on it and still have a tiny space to store data. Stock loaded, it
only has 1.6GB of SSD open...and that will fill up fast.
I read horror stories like:
http://www.itechnews.net/2009/01/29/super-talent-ssd-upgrade-for-asus-eee-
pc-s101/
saying the SSD upgrade doesn't work on PC 701 boxes but Super Talent says
it does on:
http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_detail.php?type=PCI%20Express
I'm looking for anyone who has successfully done this upgrade who can give
me first-hand information on how well it went.
I'm a skilled electronic technician and metrologist with way too many years
on the workbench who was certified years ago with military-grade
microelectronics soldering and multilayer pc board repair, so I'm no
stranger to hard soldered replacements on multilayer boards.
I'm leaning towards the 64GB SSD Supertalent has for $170.
Any information greatly appreciated.....thanks.
....Sure wish my Samsung NC10 had these Asus up-front speakers!
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Larry
If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
Barry Watzman
For $30 more you can buy a better entire netbook, one of the Acer Aspire
One's that CompUSA (TigerDirect) has been selling. They have a real
120GB hard drive and run Windows XP. This is a personal opinion, but
spending $170 on a larger SSD does not, to me, make economic sense.
BillW50
Larry typed on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:49:19 +0000:
Hi Larry! Well you might be in luck. Early 701s had a spare FLASH_CON
slot (looks just like a PCIe slot). You can see it under the trap door
on the bottom. Some early 701s didn't have a trap door on the bottom
either.
Even if you are proficient at microelectronics soldering and multilayer
PC board repair (btw, so am I), it still would be a big job nonetheless.
And one tiny mistake and the motherboard could be history. Either adding
a connector or wiring it directly.
I actually have two 702s which has no SSD on the motherboard, but uses
those SSD cards. I also have one motherboard from an old 701 which
already has the slot. And from what I hear tell, if you plug in a SSD
card, the SSD on the motherboard gets switched out. I should try that
sometime and see if this is true.
Adding 64GB for Xandros Linux? I don't know about that idea. But if you
do purchase a SSD, remember SLC SSD are far better than MLC SSD,
especially for writing. Plus they last 10 times longer too. I find 4G to
be okay and 8G to be the sweet pot. As 8G is large enough for the OS and
applications and I use SD cards for a data drive.
I have two 16G SD and some much smaller ones. Under Windows XP you can
download a driver and with a little registry hacking, you can make those
SD cards seen by Windows as fixed drives instead of removable drives. So
that is an option too. Although I didn't care much for it since you
can't really pull them out anymore. As now they are part of the OS. Plus
the driver causes it to run a bit slower too.
If you are going to stick with Xandros, SD cards works there too.
Although I believe they will only operate as data drives and that is it.
I do have a couple of live distros of Linux on SD cards too, which I can
boot directly from.
How much RAM are you planning on adding? As Xandros doesn't see anymore
than 1G, without script hacking anyway. The machine itself can handle 2G
of RAM. And 2G does work well with Windows XP.
Yes I too love the speaker placement on the 700 series. I don't know any
other netbooks that actually place them where they sound best at. And
remember too, the 700 series are the original netbooks. The ones that
started the whole netbook craze to begin with. <grin>
I am sure you have more questions and this forum has tons of information
and lots of people talking about the EeePCs.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
BillW50
Barry Watzman typed on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:40:55 -0400:
> Re: "I'm leaning towards the 64GB SSD Supertalent has for $170"
>
> For $30 more you can buy a better entire netbook, one of the Acer
> Aspire One's that CompUSA (TigerDirect) has been selling. They have
> a real 120GB hard drive and run Windows XP. This is a personal
> opinion, but spending $170 on a larger SSD does not, to me, make
> economic sense.
Ever buy something from TigerDirect Barry? They were fine in the
beginning, but about eight years ago they changed for the worst.
Nowadays if you receive something broken, you must deal with the
manufacture. And TigerDirect often sells used computers as new. Which
has limited warrantee or worse, none by the manufacture. Heck, Dell is
suing TigerDirect just for this nonsense!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/23/dell_sues_tigerdirect/
And what good is a 120GB HDD? That is tiny! And besides, soon HDD will
be obsolete anyway. And in a few years you won't even be able to find
them anymore. Asus is selling (or will soon) a laptop with a 1TB SSD.
Nobody has a laptop with that size HDD. And may never will since they
will be old technology and go out of business. And 1TB SSD isn't the
limit either. I am sure there will be 10TB, 100TB, and even 1000TB SSD
in the near future. And they will be so cheap they will be giving them
away for free with happy meals. <grin>
Barry Watzman
Yes; the Acer Aspire One. [And many other things].
FWIW, I agree that they are not a 1st class retailer. But I don't think
that they are as bad as you suggest, either.
Re: "And what good is a 120GB HDD? That is tiny!"
Now that is so hypocritical that it's funny. You guys are discussing
spending $170 ... almost the cost of the entire computer with a real
hard drive ... on just a 64GB SSD, and yet when I make a comment about a
120GB hard drive, you respond with "And what good is a 120GB HDD? That
is tiny!". Get real: 120GB is twice the size of the SSD that you are
thinking of spending $170 on.
Re: "And besides, soon HDD will be obsolete anyway"
1. So what, if it works
2. But, point 1. above not withstanding, bullshit. As Mark Twain once
said, so says the mechanical hard drive: "Reports of my death are highly
exaggerated".
Your post is riddled with emotional illogic. I come back to the matter
of economic feasibility: The OP is thinking of spending $170 for JUST a
64GB SSD, when for $199 he could buy an entire [BETTER] netbook with a
120GB hard drive. Technical feasibility aside, the SSD upgrade does not
make rational economic sense.
Larry
@news.eternal-september.org:
> For $30 more you can buy a better entire netbook, one of the Acer Aspire
> One's that CompUSA (TigerDirect) has been selling. They have a real
> 120GB hard drive and run Windows XP. This is a personal opinion, but
> spending $170 on a larger SSD does not, to me, make economic sense.
>
>
You're right, of course. I have a Samsung NC10 I added the touchscreen to.
Too bad I can't add these up-front speakers to the NC10.
NC10 speakers are HORRIBLE.
Larry
@news.eternal-september.org:
> 1. So what, if it works
> 2. But, point 1. above not withstanding, bullshit. As Mark Twain
once
> said, so says the mechanical hard drive: "Reports of my death are
highly
> exaggerated".
>
>
Unless some real strides in SSD memory come true, I agree with Barry. A
modern laptop drive can take just as much shock, running, as the PC
board holding the chips together on an SSD. It's a long way from the
first IBM monstrous memory drum (128K? something like that) the size of
a Volkswagen they let us look at through a window because any time
someONE walked on the floor it crashed the heads.
It's amazing what a laptop drive can take. Someone brought me a Western
Digital 400GB Mybook, one of those little black plastic boxes with the
mini USB connector and a light showing through the plastic and asked me
if it were toast. They were on the SECOND floor balcony of the local
court house and this tiny little drive fell out of his pocket, bounced
off the handrailing and fell straight down onto the hard tile floor
about 25' down! He didn't try to see if it worked....just brought it to
me.
What could I say...let's see if it works. There was a little nick out
of the sharp edge of the plastic box, but no cracks or other signs. I
stuck it into my USB port, the light came on, WinXP reported a new hard
drive and wanted to know what I wanted it to do about it in the usual
manner.
We looked through all kinds of files he had on it and not a single one
of them in any section of the drive was damaged! The head autopark on
these drives and I think they also have some kind of G sensor in them
that emergency parks the head if they are running. I bet the only way
to crash it is if it's crushed or is writing a file WHEN IT HITS THE
FLOOR, if there's no G sensor to stop it.
He's still using the drive. Even after that fall, you can hardly tell
it's running it's so well made and perfectly balanced. It barely hums
if you put it to your ear....a credit to the Chinese who made it.
The SSD's I was looking at drew 1/2A just sitting there idle and 1A to
read/write. There's a LOT of transistors. Parked and shut down, I
don't think the little USB laptop self-powered drives use anywhere near
1/2A at 5V to just sit the light the light. Maybe with the motor
running. USB ports aren't exactly rated like Hoover Dam for output....
(c;]
Larry
september.org:
> Hi Larry! Well you might be in luck. Early 701s had a spare FLASH_CON
> slot (looks just like a PCIe slot). You can see it under the trap door
> on the bottom. Some early 701s didn't have a trap door on the bottom
> either.
>
>
Lucky Larry! I see it. No soldering necessary.
After more reading the fine print, I see this extra SSD probably won't
do me any good over, say, a 32GB SDHC card I already have. I was hoping
to have a 64GB PRIMARY BOOT drive loaded up with Linux software it
installed. If I have to install software to the secondary drive, I
might as well just install it to the 32GB SDHC that's in it now.....
Well, I did clean off some unnecessary stuff from it last night. It's a
toy so I'm not going to need it for presentations and spreadsheeting
Exxon Corporation, so I took Open Office off it and just put Abiword
back on so I can type letters in restaurants. That opened up some
memory. Some of the games I can't dump, but I took off the ones that I
could. There was some other fluff like the dictionary that took quite a
slice.
It's sorta like going back to DOS 3.3 on dual floppies trying to make
sure there's enough space on the system disk to store Word Perfect's
config file...hee hee....(c;]
The 160GB Samsung NC10 suffers less....and runs longer. I'll just plug
in the 400GB little WD laptop USB drive for media storage and
playback....
Thanks, guys for the help. It's a cute Linux box but there's lots of
niggling little things that drive me crazy. I went to http://presstv.ir
today to see the news from Iran and tried to play the live stream.
Firefox croaked and had no idea what to do with mms, so it wouldn't
play. I don't see how to add mms support on the lacking menus that show
me what progs run what 3-letter extensions but there's no way to add
one.
One more question before I go.......
Is there ANY way to get ALL the volume controls to default to WIDE OPEN
instead of BARELY HEARABLE? This thing is LOUD when it wants to be, but
open up some media stream in the browser, with all the controls you're
allowed to touch wide open.....and you can't hear it unless your ear is
to the speakers! Some Linux genius needs to give us a little applet for
this box and my Maemo Linux tablets that OVERRIDES everything software
can do to the volume controls and puts them at FULL volume when I want.
9 and 0 are supposed to be the volume controls for mplayer on it.
Pressing them with the movie playing full screen does
nothing.....ignored. + and - don't work, or does the arrow keys where
the damned player volume control SHOULD be hooked to.
If you close mplayer at zero...it opens inside the players like Music
Player at zero... Drives you crazy trying to find a SINGLE CONTROL that
will TURN UP THE VOLUME.
Thanks
Barry Watzman
There is an interesting issue with the Acer Aspire One.
If you play music REALLY LOUD (well, it's a netbook, On an absolute
basis it can't do "really" loud, so let's make that "relatively loud"),
the location of one of the speakers is right next to the hard drive, and
it's actually possible to corrupt and possibly even damage the hard drive.
The culprit is apparently acoustic although some have speculated that it
might be magnetic. There is a particular song that can be used to
"demonstrate" this "feature" (no thank you; I will accept on faith that
yes, this can happen).
Now I will sign off so that BillW50 can point out that a SSD would never
suffer from such a characteristic.
Larry
@news.eternal-september.org:
> The culprit is apparently acoustic although some have speculated that it
> might be magnetic. There is a particular song that can be used to
> "demonstrate" this "feature" (no thank you; I will accept on faith that
> yes, this can happen).
>
Oh, that's encouraging....
The speakers in the NC10 are tiny little earphone diaphrams in a plastic
tube. This wouldn't be so bad but the speakers are in the bottom of the
tube that is SEALED TIGHT against what is the plastic hand surface on
either side of the touchpad. The speakers point down into holes in the
case under the two corners closest to the operator.
I'm very tempted to open up the back of that tube by drilling a single
1/4" hole in the bottom of the tube, which would let sound come out the
hole on top of the keyboard, which is what Samsung should have done, with
maybe a little silvery screen with a bumper on it for when the top closes
to touch....which I may also add....after the warranty period expires, of
course. The tube would give the tiny speakers a ducted port baffle that's
GOT to be better than all sealed up like it is.
Samsung has a vast army of audio engineers. WHERE WERE THEY when this
thing was being designed??
BillW50
Larry typed on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:06:49 +0000:
> "BillW50" <bil...@aol.kom> wrote in news:h0b927$u2a$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> Hi Larry! Well you might be in luck. Early 701s had a spare FLASH_CON
>> slot (looks just like a PCIe slot). You can see it under the trap
>> door on the bottom. Some early 701s didn't have a trap door on the
>> bottom either.
>
> Lucky Larry! I see it. No soldering necessary.
Hi Larry! That is lucky! And those are highly prized as well.
> After more reading the fine print, I see this extra SSD probably won't
> do me any good over, say, a 32GB SDHC card I already have. I was
> hoping to have a 64GB PRIMARY BOOT drive loaded up with Linux
> software it installed. If I have to install software to the
> secondary drive, I might as well just install it to the 32GB SDHC
> that's in it now.....
Nope, you still should be able to get it to work. Adjusting the BIOS
might work. If not, then a multiple boot menu would for sure.
> Well, I did clean off some unnecessary stuff from it last night.
> It's a toy so I'm not going to need it for presentations and
> spreadsheeting Exxon Corporation, so I took Open Office off it and
> just put Abiword back on so I can type letters in restaurants. That
> opened up some memory. Some of the games I can't dump, but I took
> off the ones that I could. There was some other fluff like the
> dictionary that took quite a slice.
>
> It's sorta like going back to DOS 3.3 on dual floppies trying to make
> sure there's enough space on the system disk to store Word Perfect's
> config file...hee hee....(c;]
Careful! Xandros doesn't actually remove anything. As the system area is
marked as read only and nothing will be deleted. And thus you will not
gain any space. You have to hack Xandros if you want remove to really
remove.
> The 160GB Samsung NC10 suffers less....and runs longer. I'll just
> plug in the 400GB little WD laptop USB drive for media storage and
> playback....
I get almost 6 hours of run time on my 10440ma battery. Although I have
five stock batteries too. So I don't worry about running out of battery
power. I also have many USB hard drives and use them when I need them.
> Thanks, guys for the help. It's a cute Linux box but there's lots of
> niggling little things that drive me crazy. I went to
> http://presstv.ir today to see the news from Iran and tried to play
> the live stream. Firefox croaked and had no idea what to do with mms,
> so it wouldn't play. I don't see how to add mms support on the
> lacking menus that show me what progs run what 3-letter extensions
> but there's no way to add one.
I too have had trouble with Linux and streaming. Try on a large external
monitor and Linux falls apart completely. Although Windows has no
problems on the same machines.
> One more question before I go.......
>
> Is there ANY way to get ALL the volume controls to default to WIDE
> OPEN instead of BARELY HEARABLE? This thing is LOUD when it wants to
> be, but open up some media stream in the browser, with all the
> controls you're allowed to touch wide open.....and you can't hear it
> unless your ear is to the speakers! Some Linux genius needs to give
> us a little applet for this box and my Maemo Linux tablets that
> OVERRIDES everything software can do to the volume controls and puts
> them at FULL volume when I want.
>
> 9 and 0 are supposed to be the volume controls for mplayer on it.
> Pressing them with the movie playing full screen does
> nothing.....ignored. + and - don't work, or does the arrow keys where
> the damned player volume control SHOULD be hooked to.
>
> If you close mplayer at zero...it opens inside the players like Music
> Player at zero... Drives you crazy trying to find a SINGLE CONTROL
> that will TURN UP THE VOLUME.
>
> Thanks
I don't know a solution. But I will look into it. <grin>
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2
AJL
>I also have many USB hard drives...
Gasp.... 8-O
BillW50
AJL typed on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:11:52 -0700:
> "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> I also have many USB hard drives...
>
> Gasp.... 8-O
Carryovers from years gone past. lol
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Larry
september.org:
> Careful! Xandros doesn't actually remove anything. As the system area is
> marked as read only and nothing will be deleted. And thus you will not
> gain any space. You have to hack Xandros if you want remove to really
> remove.
>
>
Thanks, Bill. I was not aware it was permanently loaded. That sucks.
I far prefer the Samsung NC10 to any of the other netbooks I've come in
contact with. It beats them hands down with the speedup gadgets that
Samsung has added to WinXP and the BIOS.
BillW50
Larry typed on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:39:36 +0000:
> "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in news:h0ds35$ac9$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> Careful! Xandros doesn't actually remove anything. As the system
>> area is marked as read only and nothing will be deleted. And thus
>> you will not gain any space. You have to hack Xandros if you want
>> remove to really remove.
>
> Thanks, Bill. I was not aware it was permanently loaded. That sucks.
Hi Larry! Remember this feature can be hacked out. I never tried it, so
I don't know how hard it is. Then there are other Linux distros too.
The reason for this read only system partition is so nothing per se can
harm the system. So either a virus or the silly user who doesn't know
what they are doing, can't damage it. Although you can change outside of
this area and totally screw up the system so it will no longer even
boot. And the easy cure is to hit the F9 during boot and it will wipe
this area out. Thus you are back to the default stock setup once again.
> I far prefer the Samsung NC10 to any of the other netbooks I've come
> in contact with. It beats them hands down with the speedup gadgets
> that Samsung has added to WinXP and the BIOS.
I don't follow? As these Asus EeePC runs Windows XP really well. All of
the drivers are solid and everything within Windows runs like a rock.
There is really nothing I would want to change. In fact, the majority of
the time I have an EeePC connected to an external monitor, wireless
keyboard and mouse. And I use them as desktops. Why not, they operate
like one when connected in this matter. <grin>
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
BillW50
Barry Watzman typed on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:32:47 -0400:
> Re: "NC10 speakers are HORRIBLE."
>
> There is an interesting issue with the Acer Aspire One.
>
> If you play music REALLY LOUD (well, it's a netbook, On an absolute
> basis it can't do "really" loud, so let's make that "relatively
> loud"), the location of one of the speakers is right next to the hard
> drive, and it's actually possible to corrupt and possibly even damage
> the hard drive.
> The culprit is apparently acoustic although some have speculated that
> it might be magnetic. There is a particular song that can be used to
> "demonstrate" this "feature" (no thank you; I will accept on faith
> that yes, this can happen).
>
> Now I will sign off so that BillW50 can point out that a SSD would
> never suffer from such a characteristic.
Well you should have no worries about magnetic energy from the speakers
or anything else within a computer ever damaging or erasing anything on
the hard drive (unless you have one on top of some CRT monitor designs).
As I remember 10 or more years ago that the "National Bureau of
Standards" tackled the question of magnetic media. And what became very
clear is magnetism either effects media media instantly or nothing at
all. And there is no such thing as a cumulative effect.
I personally questioned this at first (being an electronic engineer).
And I exposed a test floppy to high magnetic fields for a decade. Not
enough to erase it instantly, but I wanted to test to make sure the
cumulative effect wasn't a problem at all. And nope, very high magnetic
fields slightly below changing it instantly had no effect in 10 years.
So I gave up the experiment. And the "National Bureau of Standards" were
right on the mark.
So no, it would be impossible for a netbook to create enough magnetic
fields to damage a hard drive. What is most likely happening is
crosstalk. Which shouldn't damage anything, just plain annoying.
The only computer equipment which I never personally experienced, but
sounds believable is by placing a floppy on top of a CRT monitor and
turn it on. When you turn them on, a coil (aka degaussing coil) creates
a strong enough magnetic field to de-magnetise the screen. Which appears
to can also instantly erase a floppy with some CRT monitor designs.
BillW50
Barry Watzman typed on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:01:26 -0400:
> Re: "Ever buy something from TigerDirect Barry?"
>
> Yes; the Acer Aspire One. [And many other things].
>
> FWIW, I agree that they are not a 1st class retailer. But I don't
> think that they are as bad as you suggest, either.
Well I am not suing TigerDirect, like Dell is either. But I have been
buying from them for over 10 years. And I can safely say that some of
the stuff they sell is really great and some of what they sell is pure
junk. And even if you are an expert, it is hard to tell until you get
your hands on it.
> Re: "And what good is a 120GB HDD? That is tiny!"
>
> Now that is so hypocritical that it's funny. You guys are discussing
> spending $170 ... almost the cost of the entire computer with a real
> hard drive ... on just a 64GB SSD, and yet when I make a comment
> about a 120GB hard drive, you respond with "And what good is a 120GB
> HDD? That is tiny!". Get real: 120GB is twice the size of the SSD
> that you are thinking of spending $170 on.
Larry was talking about 64GB and you are talking about 120GB. I
personally think the OS and applications doesn't need anything near
either amount. Although the data drive is a *big* variable and depends
on the user needs. And that drive doesn't need to be the same as the OS
and applications. In fact, it doesn't need to be connected until you
need it. And it could be on anything, hard drive, flash, DVD, or
whatever. Take your pick!
> Re: "And besides, soon HDD will be obsolete anyway"
>
> 1. So what, if it works
> 2. But, point 1. above not withstanding, bullshit. As Mark Twain
> once said, so says the mechanical hard drive: "Reports of my death
> are highly exaggerated".
They said the same about the horses. Although it is virtually impossible
to find a hitching post or a watering trough today. Besides, Mark Twain
also said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and
statistics."
> Your post is riddled with emotional illogic. I come back to the
> matter of economic feasibility: The OP is thinking of spending $170
> for JUST a 64GB SSD, when for $199 he could buy an entire [BETTER]
> netbook with a 120GB hard drive. Technical feasibility aside, the
> SSD upgrade does not make rational economic sense.
That so called better deal netbook won't go very far. Ask anybody who
bought the bottom of the line to anything electronic. The newness and
the thrill only lasts briefly and then it is over. That doesn't seem
like a good buy to me.
And no, I never would spend $170 on a 64GB SSD either. Especially for a
MLC SSD. But hey, Larry has lots of these nifty gadgets already. So it
would make sense for him. Otherwise he would just spend his extra money
on women is my guess. The better choice is the former IMHO if you are
going to spend it anyway. As women are far more expensive anyway. <wink>
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Barry Watzman
No, what is most likely happening is that acoustic vibration from the
speaker are causing head crashes inside the hard drive.
Regarding magnetics, it is virtually impossible for anything outside the
drive to magnetically erase the media. Magnetic strength varies by
inverse square law. The head is within microns of the platter. By the
time you are one-inch away, there is no common source of magnetic field
that is strong enough to alter the data. Bulk tape erasers that draw
hundreds of watts and that are designed to do just that can SOMETIMES
manage to do it at just about an inch (the ones designed for 2-inch
video tape (long obsolete) that drew over 1,000 watts could barely do
it). An MRI machine could possibly do it, but as I said, "there is no
COMMON source ....."
BillW50
Barry Watzman typed on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:07:50 -0400:
> RE: "what is most likely happening is crosstalk."
>
> No, what is most likely happening is that acoustic vibration from the
> speaker are causing head crashes inside the hard drive.
Oh okay. That makes sense. I misunderstood what the test was actually
trying to do.
> Regarding magnetics, it is virtually impossible for anything outside
> the drive to magnetically erase the media. Magnetic strength varies
> by inverse square law. The head is within microns of the platter. By
> the time you are one-inch away, there is no common source of
> magnetic field that is strong enough to alter the data. Bulk tape
> erasers that draw hundreds of watts and that are designed to do just
> that can SOMETIMES manage to do it at just about an inch (the ones
> designed for 2-inch video tape (long obsolete) that drew over 1,000
> watts could barely do it). An MRI machine could possibly do it, but
> as I said, "there is no COMMON source ....."
Yes it is true. I have heard stories from time to time during the old
floppies and CRT era, that people have lost the data if they left a
floppy on top of a monitor and then turn it on. I tried this with my
monitors, but I could never wipe out any floppies with any of my
monitors.
BillW50
this. Every Celeron computer I've ever known in the last 10 years,
doesn't completely shutdown the CPU totally. The side effect of course
that there is a slow drain on the battery. So you should check yours.
People have reported drained batteries between 7 to 14 days if you leave
them in the laptops/netbooks. I have seen this on my Celeron Toshibas,
Gateways, and Asus. This doesn't bother me as batteries are easy to
remove anyway. And you should do that anyway even if this problem isn't
present to keep the heat away from the batteries.
I heard one report that not all Celeron CPUs does this. Although I don't
know anything more about this one case. I also have other devices that
also drains the batteries when off. My FM transmitter is very bad about
this. My Dodge van also has a 70ma drain. So if I don't plan to use it
in a week or more (which is often), I remove the battery cable.
AJL
>People have reported drained batteries between 7 to 14 days if you leave
>them in the laptops/netbooks.
One guys test of the Eee PC 701 battery when off:
"It was recharged and left without use. After 1 week I booted and
battery was 80%, at 2 weeks 50%, at 3 weeks 20% ..."
BillW50
Have you tested yours? I believe all of mine are worse than that.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux
AJL
>AJL wrote
>> "BillW50" <bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
>> One guys test of the Eee PC 701 battery when off:
>> "It was recharged and left without use. After 1 week I booted and
>> battery was 80%, at 2 weeks 50%, at 3 weeks 20% ..."
>Have you tested yours? I believe all of mine are worse than that.
No I haven't. But I know that if I leave the 2G Surf off the charger
for a few days starting from a full charge it is down one bar on the
next use. So I usually leave it on the charger all the time as the 2G
only gets a little over 2 hours (with the WiFi on) from a full start.
I was surprised to find that my 1000HD (same capacity battery) gets
more time (around 2.5 hours) and it has a larger screen and an HDD to
power. The 2G runs much hotter so that is probably is where much of
its power is wasted.
BillW50
AJL typed on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:29:32 -0700:
Here is what I remember... I'll check it later to make sure.
4400ma battery = 90 minutes (this battery is heavily used and is shot)
5200ma battery = 2 � hours
10440ma battery = 5 � hours
Your 700 has a 4400ma battery right?
--
Bill
AJL
>Your 700 has a 4400ma battery right?
Both the 2G Surf and the HD1000 came with a 4400 mAh battery. Even
though the batteries look alike they are not interchangeable. Darn.
Larry
september.org:
>> I far prefer the Samsung NC10 to any of the other netbooks I've come
>> in contact with. It beats them hands down with the speedup gadgets
>> that Samsung has added to WinXP and the BIOS.
>
> I don't follow? As these Asus EeePC runs Windows XP really well. All of
> the drivers are solid and everything within Windows runs like a rock.
> There is really nothing I would want to change. In fact, the majority of
> the time I have an EeePC connected to an external monitor, wireless
> keyboard and mouse. And I use them as desktops. Why not, they operate
> like one when connected in this matter. <grin>
>
>
I run a lot of DivX video and wifi speed streaming video on my netbooks. I
have no idea "why", but the NC10 runs these videos and streams smoother
than the rest I tried. There's even a little overhead left over so the
Email checking doesn't trash the movie.
I got some 2GB Trancend DDR2-667 sticks from Newegg ($20, cheap) to upgrade
my netbooks today. The 2GB was too big for the 4G Linux EEE PC, but the
1GB stick I took out of the Samsung works perfectly. No more page swapping
and it multitasks quite a bit better with some memory left over.
The 2GB stick in the NC 10 also gets rid of all the swap files....making
operation much smoother on it, too. I'm watching Press TV from Iran
delivered by Livestation for the last couple of hours. Hasn't hesitated
even once while the Mcafee and Pegasus go on running in background.
A little memory goes quite far. This box will have 4GB in it tomorrow.
Larry
september.org:
What Celeron? The NC10 is an Atom N270 1.6Ghz.
I don't have any Celerons I know of....
Barry Watzman
that is determined by logic external to the CPU. Also, many, many
laptops use the same motherboard for both Celeron and "full" versions.
Power consumption when shut down certain does vary from laptop model to
laptop model, and some draw, arguably, too much. But I don't think it's
a function of whether the CPU is a Celeron or a "full" {Pentium, Core,
whatever}.
Adrian C
> Yes it is true. I have heard stories from time to time during the old
> floppies and CRT era, that people have lost the data if they left a
> floppy on top of a monitor and then turn it on. I tried this with my
> monitors, but I could never wipe out any floppies with any of my
> monitors.
>
Same here. A long time ago I tried deliberately damaging the data on a
High Density 5.25" floppy disc using a standard mains energised audio
tape head demagnetiser wand. Failed.
Perhaps I didn't have enough magnetic flux _and_ a proper constructed
magnetic circuit to do the necessary damage.
--
Adrian C
BillW50
Pretty amazing, isn't it? Even a floppy attached to a refrigerator
magnetic isn't anywhere enough to do the trick.
--
Bill
BillW50
> I don't buy that. The CPU doesn't decide whether or not it gets power;
> that is determined by logic external to the CPU. Also, many, many
> laptops use the same motherboard for both Celeron and "full" versions.
> Power consumption when shut down certain does vary from laptop model to
> laptop model, and some draw, arguably, too much. But I don't think it's
> a function of whether the CPU is a Celeron or a "full" {Pentium, Core,
> whatever}.
Well I don't completely understand the problem. But what little I know,
I believe it has something to do with the Celeron still drawing current
when put into the S3 (sleep state) mode.
--
Bill
BillW50
> "BillW50" <bil...@aol.kom> wrote in news:h0j5pd$sbs$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> Oh Larry! I should mention this now before I forget to remind you about
>> this. Every Celeron computer I've ever known in the last 10 years,
>> doesn't completely shutdown the CPU totally. The side effect of course
>> that there is a slow drain on the battery. So you should check yours.
>>
>> People have reported drained batteries between 7 to 14 days if you leave
>> them in the laptops/netbooks. I have seen this on my Celeron Toshibas,
>> Gateways, and Asus. This doesn't bother me as batteries are easy to
>> remove anyway. And you should do that anyway even if this problem isn't
>> present to keep the heat away from the batteries.
>>
>> I heard one report that not all Celeron CPUs does this. Although I don't
>> know anything more about this one case. I also have other devices that
>> also drains the batteries when off. My FM transmitter is very bad about
>> this. My Dodge van also has a 70ma drain. So if I don't plan to use it
>> in a week or more (which is often), I remove the battery cable.
>>
>
> What Celeron? The NC10 is an Atom N270 1.6Ghz.
>
> I don't have any Celerons I know of....
Your Asus EeePC 701 running Xandros, remember?
--
Bill
BillW50
> "BillW50" <bil...@aol.kom> wrote in news:h0h2q6$tr9$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>>> I far prefer the Samsung NC10 to any of the other netbooks I've come
>>> in contact with. It beats them hands down with the speedup gadgets
>>> that Samsung has added to WinXP and the BIOS.
>> I don't follow? As these Asus EeePC runs Windows XP really well. All of
>> the drivers are solid and everything within Windows runs like a rock.
>> There is really nothing I would want to change. In fact, the majority of
>> the time I have an EeePC connected to an external monitor, wireless
>> keyboard and mouse. And I use them as desktops. Why not, they operate
>> like one when connected in this matter. <grin>
>
> I run a lot of DivX video and wifi speed streaming video on my netbooks. I
> have no idea "why", but the NC10 runs these videos and streams smoother
> than the rest I tried. There's even a little overhead left over so the
> Email checking doesn't trash the movie.
Are you sure its the NC10? I have five EeePCs here and Windows XP makes
all of the difference here. Linux just doesn't multitask media very well.
> I got some 2GB Trancend DDR2-667 sticks from Newegg ($20, cheap) to upgrade
> my netbooks today. The 2GB was too big for the 4G Linux EEE PC, but the
> 1GB stick I took out of the Samsung works perfectly. No more page swapping
> and it multitasks quite a bit better with some memory left over.
How much was shipping? I just bought two more 2GB DDR2-667 Samsung
sticks for $23.95. Shipping was free. I never tried 512MB under Xandros.
I usually have 1GB installed. And the swapfile is turned off. Just two
applications opened and I only have 336MB free under Xandros.I would
have more free if this machine was running under Windows XP with the
same applications.
> The 2GB stick in the NC 10 also gets rid of all the swap files....making
> operation much smoother on it, too. I'm watching Press TV from Iran
> delivered by Livestation for the last couple of hours. Hasn't hesitated
> even once while the Mcafee and Pegasus go on running in background.
>
> A little memory goes quite far. This box will have 4GB in it tomorrow.
Yes I usually run without a swapfile if I have 2GB or more of RAM. Under
Windows XP anyway. And for temporary stuff, I throw them inside of a
RAMDisk.
--
Bill
Larry
september.org:
> How much was shipping? I just bought two more 2GB DDR2-667 Samsung
> sticks for $23.95. Shipping was free. I never tried 512MB under Xandros.
> I usually have 1GB installed. And the swapfile is turned off. Just two
> applications opened and I only have 336MB free under Xandros.I would
> have more free if this machine was running under Windows XP with the
> same applications.
>
3 day shipping - $7.76 from Memphis. Free is better at that price. Who
was the vendor?
Larry
september.org:
> Your Asus EeePC 701 running Xandros, remember?
>
>
Ah, I never looked. I assumed it was a little Atom.
BillW50
> BillW50 <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in news:h0m1vm$dpq$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> How much was shipping? I just bought two more 2GB DDR2-667 Samsung
>> sticks for $23.95. Shipping was free. I never tried 512MB under Xandros.
>> I usually have 1GB installed. And the swapfile is turned off. Just two
>> applications opened and I only have 336MB free under Xandros.I would
>> have more free if this machine was running under Windows XP with the
>> same applications.
>>
>
> 3 day shipping - $7.76 from Memphis. Free is better at that price. Who
> was the vendor?
An eBay Power Seller.