17 inch LCD dell or ibm laptop?
Dr. Indera
I was wondering if anyone knew if dell or ibm had plans to have a laptop
with a 17 inch screen?
Thanks
Indera
pdb
my office and swapped it for a 15".
It was too bulky, too heavy.
FWIW
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C.Joseph Drayton
If you are in the market for a 17" WXGA laptop, I can STRONGLY recommend the HP Pavilion zd7010us. See my review in other post.
I don't know how much you plan on moving the laptop around, but I should warn you that there aren't a lot of choices out there
in bags for these large laptops. The only other thing that you will want to take into consideration is that the laptop only gets
about 1.5 hours on the battery if you set the system to maximum performance.
Hope you find a machine that meets your needs.
Ciao . . .
C.Joseph
++ Let know man judge me until . . .
he has walked the road I have . . .
in the shoes I've worn. ++
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BigJIm
travel from site to site with time spent at each one. If you are going to
carry it with you all day, look at the lightest, smallest one you can get.
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Michael Geary
> I was wondering if anyone knew if dell or ibm had plans to have
> a laptop with a 17 inch screen?
They don't have any current models with 17" displays, and anyone who knows
their plans is no doubt sworn to secrecy. :-)
You may already know this, but a 17" display is considerably *smaller* in
terms of screen real estate than the 15" and 15.4" displays that IBM and
Dell offer.
If you want the largest physical display, the 17" will give you that, but
sometimes people think it will also give them the most screen real estate.
A typical 17" display is 1440 x 900 pixels. The 15" display on high-end
ThinkPads and Dell machines is 1600 x 1200, almost 50% larger. Dell's has a
15.4" display with 1920 x 1200 pixels, 78% larger than the 17" display.
It's unfortunate that manufacturers use terms like "WXGA+", "UXGA", and the
like, because it makes it harder to make meaningful comparisons of display
size like this. John Walker of AutoCAD fame has a handy guide to LCD
resolution terminology here:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/howmanydots/
(It's a bit out of date, though--doesn't list the 1440 x 900 resolution.)
-Mike
Dr. Indera
the bulk or weight are not a concern, because i won't be taking it anyplace,
other than maybe the backyard <smile>
thanks
indera
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Dr. Indera
yes, i want it for a desktop replacement.
do you know if either of these companies has plans to develop a laptop with
a 17 inch screen?
thanks
indera
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Dr. Indera
yes, i know they don't have any current models, but there have been rumors
that dell may have one in the works.
no, i didn't know that a 17 inch display was smaller in terms of screen real
estate.
i don't know much about resolutions or pixels.
i will check out the link you provided and will post back here if i have a
question, which i'm sure i will.
thank you
indera
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Dr. Indera
thanks, i'll check out the hp model.
nope, have no plans on moving the laptop around on a regular basis.
indera
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Dr. Indera
i read the link you listed below and just shook my head. i didn't really
understand it.
i remember when i had a 14 inch monitor and then got a 15 inch monitor, i
could see more of my documents on the screen. so i figured that getting a 17
inch would let me see more than a 15 inch on a laptop. based on what you
wrote below, that doesn't seem to be the case.
my current laptop is set to 1024 x 768 and it's a 15 inch. what's throwing
me is how a 15.4 inch has more pixels than a 17 inch, as the screen itself
is smaller. does this mean that one would see more on the 15.4 screen than
the 17 screen? i'm almost afraid to ask, but being who i am, i will. other
than being able to see more on the screen from left to right on a 17 in
screen, what is the advantage of buying it?
a while ago, i received a dell catalog that attempted to explain the 3
different screen resolutions. the way the pictures looked to me was that the
cheapest <sorry, but i don't remember the letters for it> lcd panel provided
a close up of the picture, and the most expensive one displayed more of the
photo. i took this to mean that a 17 inch would display even more of the
photo.
i would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me where i went wrong in my
understanding of the differences.
thank you
indera
Dr. Indera
i went back and looked for your review, but didn't see it. if you still have
it, can you re-post it. if not, i understand.
thank you
indera
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> Hi Michael,
>
> i read the link you listed below and just shook my head. i didn't really
> understand it.
>
> i remember when i had a 14 inch monitor and then got a 15 inch monitor, i
> could see more of my documents on the screen. so i figured that getting a
17
> inch would let me see more than a 15 inch on a laptop. based on what you
> wrote below, that doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> my current laptop is set to 1024 x 768 and it's a 15 inch. what's throwing
> me is how a 15.4 inch has more pixels than a 17 inch, as the screen itself
> is smaller. does this mean that one would see more on the 15.4 screen than
> the 17 screen? i'm almost afraid to ask, but being who i am, i will.
other
> than being able to see more on the screen from left to right on a 17 in
> screen, what is the advantage of buying it?
yes you'd see more on the smaller screen - but it would look smaller too.,
so the advantage of a bigger screen is that things will be easier to see
than on the smaller one - even if the smaller one actually has more on view.
it all depends on how good your eyesight is - some people will struggle to
read text on one of the very high res 15.4" screens.
the ideal solution of course is a 17" screen with the same resolution as the
15.4" one - but these are not out there easily available yet.
--
Gareth
quote of the day
'nostradamus? -sounds like a rock group to me!'
Michael Geary
> i remember when i had a 14 inch monitor and then got a 15 inch
> monitor, i could see more of my documents on the screen. so i
> figured that getting a 17 inch would let me see more than a 15
> inch on a laptop. based on what you wrote below, that doesn't
> seem to be the case.
Well, let's take your old 14 and 15 inch monitors as examples.
I'll take a guess that you ran the 14" monitor at 800 x 600 resolution, and
you ran the 15" monitor at 1024 x 768 resolution. This is why you could see
more of your documents on the screen: You had 224 more pixels horizontally
and 168 more pixels vertically at the higher resolution. But it was the
difference in resolution that achieved this, not the difference in physical
monitor size.
Suppose you changed the resolution on the 15" monitor to 800 x 600, the same
as on the 14" monitor. Now which would display more of your documents? They
would be exactly the same. Both monitors would have exactly the same number
of pixels. The image would be bigger on the 15" monitor, of course, but it
would be the exact same image in terms of screen real estate (number of
pixels).
Making sense so far?
Let's get radical. Suppose you had a really good 14" monitor and were able
to run it at 1024 x 768, and you ran the 15" monitor at 800 x 600. Now which
one displays more of your documents? The 14"!
1024 x 768 is still more pixels than 800 x 600, even though you've made
those pixels smaller by squeezing more of them into a smaller monitor.
> my current laptop is set to 1024 x 768 and it's a 15 inch. what's
> throwing me is how a 15.4 inch has more pixels than a 17 inch,
> as the screen itself is smaller. does this mean that one would see
> more on the 15.4 screen than the 17 screen?
Yes, just work out the numbers: 1920 x 1200 is 2,304,000 pixels. 1440 x 900
is 1,296,000 pixels. The 1920 x 1200 display has 78% more pixels--almost
twice as many--as the 1440 x 900 display, regardless of the fact that the
1920 x 1200 display is physically smaller.
Of course, this also means that the pixels on the 15.4" 1920 x 1200 display
are smaller--quite a bit smaller--than the pixels on the 17" 1440 x 900
display. That's how you get more pixels (more screen real estate) into a
smaller display--you make the pixels smaller.
> i'm almost afraid to ask, but being who i am, i will. other than
> being able to see more on the screen from left to right on a 17 in
> screen, what is the advantage of buying it?
Well, there is a tradeoff. Suppose your vision is not good enough to take
full advantage of the smaller, more detailed display on the 15" or 15.4"
display. You may prefer the larger, less detailed 17" display, just as
someone with weak vision may choose a book written in large print even
though the large print book gets fewer words on a page.
I have good vision when corrected with reading glasses, but I like to use a
larger type size on the more detailed displays. So I give up some of the
resolution advantage--but I gain more readable text than I'd get on the
larger, less detailed display.
Or suppose one of your main uses of the computer is to watch DVDs. Your DVD
player software is going to have the movie fill the screen in either case,
so you may enjoy the larger picture on the 17" display. The higher
resolution of the 15" or 15.4" display doesn't do you much good here,
because DVD resolution is much less than any of these displays anyway.
> a while ago, i received a dell catalog that attempted to explain
> the 3 different screen resolutions. the way the pictures looked
> to me was that the cheapest <sorry, but i don't remember the
> letters for it> lcd panel provided a close up of the picture, and
> the most expensive one displayed more of the photo. i took this
> to mean that a 17 inch would display even more of the photo.
Don't try to remember the silly names like "SXGA+", "WUXGA", and the like.
Those are an abomination. Find out the actual physical resolution of each
display (1600 x 1200 or whatever) and you'll have meaningful information to
work with.
Dell's pictures sound pretty accurate. Given the same physical size, a lower
resolution display gives you a more blown-up picture, but less of the
picture. A higher resolution display gives you a more shrunk-down picture,
but more of the picture.
-Mike
C.Joseph Drayton
Here is an updated review on the HP Pavilion zd7010us;
Just thought I would give a short review on tis laptop. Specifications are;
Pentium4 2.66GHz processor
512KB Cache
512MB DDR RAM
nVidia 440 video with 64MB dedicated RAM
17.1" 1440 x 900 display
Full size keyboard /w separate numeric keypad
60GB Hard drive (4200rpm, 12ms access time)
Conexant 56.6 modem
Conexant AC-Link Audio
Wireless networking
Harmon/Kardon speakers
Ethernet
4 USB 2.0
Parallel port
svideo port
1 PC-Card slot
Firewire
IrDA
VGA port
SD Card reader
DVD/CDRW
The machine is huge!! It is 11" x 15.5" x 1.75", and weighs 9.5lbs. I am having a hard time finding a bag that will carry it
with all of my accessories and stuff.
The machine is big, but it also feels well built. It feels sturdier then my previous Pavilion.
The machine is fast, most of the desktops I have worked on can not keep up with it.
Pros:
Great keyboard
Good display
Great connectivity except no legacy serial port
Wifi works better than my D-Link PC-Card
SD Card reader is so much faster than hotsyncing
The sound quality is great both for music and DVDs
Cons:
Size (nuff said)
This machine does get hot. I would not want to work on it on my lap. (a lap board solves this problem).
I have had the machine on for as many as 60 hours without having a thermal problem.
Size of the AC adapter
For the price, it is an excellent desktop replacement. I will be upgrading the RAM to 1GB on payday, and getting a larger hard
drive when the new 120GB 5400rpm drive is released by Toshiba.
Over the last month, I have taken this machine with me on a 2 week tour of Idaho and to Washington DC. It traveled well, and
connected up for e-mail everywhere I went using dial-up, wired networking or wireless networking. Just so that you know the
built in wireless worked better than the wireless card they loaned me at the Shilo Inn in Twin Falls.
I have bought a couple of new toys that make the laptop even more useful; I got a Logitech wireless mouse (radio wave) that I
have fallen in love with. My hands are not as steady as they used to be, so doing detail work with a touchpad is sometimes
difficult. One of the things that I really like about the mouse is that it feels substantial. Being an optical mouse, it can be
used most anywhere with no problems. The other thing I got for the computer was a Sierra AirCard 750 and a T-Mobile Internet
service plan. This is great when you are in places like airports, restaurants and doctor's offices and have time to be
productive. I was traveling from 0600hrs EST until 1815hrs MST on my trip back from Washington (they routed me through San
Francisco) and I did e-mail and news groups at every stop. I was given a Sipix thermal printer that fits in my computer bag and
runs on 4 AA batteries. I've used it a couple of times now to give clients printouts after business meals. Being thermal, you
don't want to use it for a permanent document, but to give the client something they can take home with them is a good thing.
The more I use this computer the more I like it. You can actually have a hands on test of the machine at places like Best Buy,
Staples, CompUSA, etc..
Dr. Indera
ok, now i get it.
i want to be able to see things easier. i don't wear glasses and have 20/20
vision, but i do spend a lot of time in front of the laptop, so , i'd like
to do anything i can to help keep my vision.
thank you
indera
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Dr. Indera
wow!
the way you explained this is so good, even i understand it <smile>.
i have printed this out and will keep it for many years to come.
i am going to contact dell to see what the resolution is for the 3 types of
displays and will do as you say and base my decision off of the numbers, not
the names.
again, thank you so much.
happy new year!
indera
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Dr. Indera
as far as i can tell, these specs seem to be the about the same as the other
17 inch laptops that i've seen.
i noticed that you said that you were going to add more ram. i had planned
to get a gig to start with.
i've heard some people say to buy the additional ram on my own because it's
cheaper.
i've also heard some people say that it you do that, you void the warranty.
if this is true, i don't think it's fair, because the companies charge a lot
more for ram, than i can get it for, not that i know how to put it in though
<smile>
oh, before i forget, please call me indera <it's my first name>
the reason i thought i needed a gig of ram is because i tend to have several
big packages open at one time on my laptop now that had 256 mb of ram, but
now that's it's old, it doesn't work so well with these packages open.
the software i use often includes visual studio.net, dreamweaver <an old
version because i don't think that i have enough processing power for the mx
version>, ms project, outlook express, adobe acrobat <full version>,
crystal reports and some more that i can't even think of.
i remember a dell tech telling me that they didn't recommend leaving the
laptop on for more than 12 hours without turning it off for at least an
hour. have you ever heard anything like that?
i've gone to 2 stores for a hands-on session, but they have the laptops
welded to a piece of metal suspended in mid air, which made it very
uncomfortable to use. maybe if i were taller it would not have been such a
nuisance.
thank you so much for taking the time to explain all of this to me. i really
appreciate it.
indera
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C.Joseph Drayton
BTW, my given name is C.Joseph (note the period but no space between the 'C' & 'J').
Now then, down to business. I don't know of any manufacturer that doesn't allow you to replace your RAM or hard disk. As to the
price of RAM, Crucial gives you the best Quality for the Price. Crucial also guarantees their RAM for the life of the computer.
How much RAM you need is strictly a matter of choice. I run a lot of resource hungry applications, and get by with 512MB. I plan
to upgrade to 2GB mainly because I find myself wanting more speed. I use everything you list except for Dreamweaver and I
haven't had any problems.
I've run this laptop for about 60 hours non-stop with no problems heat wise. Just make sure there is good ventilation.
You might also want to get the Accidental Damage warranty.
Ciao . . .
C.Joseph
++ Let know man judge me until . . .
he has walked the road I have . . .
in the shoes I've worn. ++
http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com
Dr. Indera wrote:
> hi c joseph,
>
Michael Geary
> wow!
>
> the way you explained this is so good, even i understand it <smile>.
> i have printed this out and will keep it for many years to come.
>
> i am going to contact dell to see what the resolution is for the 3 types
of
> displays and will do as you say and base my decision off of the numbers,
not
> the names.
>
> again, thank you so much.
> happy new year!
I'm glad that was helpful, Indera.
Here's a very useful Dell document that gives the actual resolution and
number of pixels per inch for all their displays:
http://support.dell.com/us/en/kb/document.asp?dn=1047221
FWIW, I have been using IBM ThinkPads with 15" 1600 x 1200 ("UXGA") displays
for the last few years, and I think they are wonderful. As I mentioned, I
set Windows to 120 DPI mode and turn on ClearType, and I use larger fonts
(in terms of pixel size) on these displays than I would on a coarser
display. So I'm partly using the higher resolution to get more "real
estate", but also using it to get more finely detailed text.
For example, I've never liked using serif fonts or italics on coarser
displays, but on these high-density displays with ClearType, both serif and
italic fonts are beautifully easy to read.
So don't assume that text is easier to read on a display with coarser
pixels. If you adjust the font sizes so that text is the same physical size
either way, the display with smaller pixels will be the one that is easier
to read. If you're old enough to remember the days of low-resolution dot
matrix printers, it's like the difference between a dot matrix printer that
uses only a small number of dots to make up each character vs. a high
resolution laser printer that uses a very large number of dots for each
character.
Something else to consider when you're looking at displays is whether they
have the new "wide angle" or "FlexView" technology (different manufacturers
use different names for this). A conventional TFT display has a very limited
viewing angle. This new technology keeps the display readable at nearly any
angle, much like a CRT display. It's a huge improvement.
-Mike
-Mike
The dog from that film you saw
> hi c joseph,
>
> as far as i can tell, these specs seem to be the about the same as the
other
> 17 inch laptops that i've seen.
>
> i noticed that you said that you were going to add more ram. i had planned
> to get a gig to start with.
>
> i've heard some people say to buy the additional ram on my own because
it's
> cheaper.
>
> i've also heard some people say that it you do that, you void the
warranty.
> if this is true, i don't think it's fair, because the companies charge a
lot
> more for ram, than i can get it for, not that i know how to put it in
though
> <smile>
>
adding ram won't invalidate your warranty - it's a simple user accessible
slot.
only possible problem you might have is that the laptop manufacturers might
not leave any free slots - your laptop might come with 512mb of memory in
the form of 2x 256mb for example, filling both slots, so you need to discard
them and buy totally new ones to get to 1gig and then re-sell the smaller
ones.
> oh, before i forget, please call me indera <it's my first name>
>
> the reason i thought i needed a gig of ram is because i tend to have
several
> big packages open at one time on my laptop now that had 256 mb of ram, but
> now that's it's old, it doesn't work so well with these packages open.
>
> the software i use often includes visual studio.net, dreamweaver <an old
> version because i don't think that i have enough processing power for the
mx
> version>, ms project, outlook express, adobe acrobat <full version>,
> crystal reports and some more that i can't even think of.
>
> i remember a dell tech telling me that they didn't recommend leaving the
> laptop on for more than 12 hours without turning it off for at least an
> hour. have you ever heard anything like that?
>
that sounds a bit crazy!
for what it's worth, my dell laptop has run for months, 24 hours a day
without ever being shut down.
P.T. Breuer
> BTW, my given name is C.Joseph (note the period but no space between the 'C' & 'J').
Who were A. and B.Joseph?
Is the "." silent? Or pronounced?
Peter
C.Joseph Drayton
I'm pretty sure I am the original . . . but then my father (career Army) worked on a need to know basis so, who knows <vbg>.
Ciao . . .
C.Joseph
++ Let know man judge me until . . .
he has walked the road I have . . .
in the shoes I've worn. ++
http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com
George T Merriman
supposed to be very bright and readable from a wide angle. You can check it
out here:
http://www.laptopsinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FP
CM60108-768MB&Category_Code=FUJIN
Global laptops can fix you up with more memory (e.g. 1GB for $100 or 2GB for
$998; it normally comes with 768 Mb, which may be enough for you). It also
comes with an 80 GB hard drive.
My most recent laptop is a Fujitsu, and I'm very happy with it.
George
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Dr. Indera
i'm sorry that i messed up your name.
i will check with whichever vendor i decide to buy the laptop from to make
sure. thanks for the heads up.
i've heard of crucial. how hard is it to install the ram in a laptop? i've
never opened a laptop.
i'm like you, i want more speed. some of the documents that i work on or
create can be up to 20 mb.
do you know if one would notice a significant difference between 512 mb of
ram and a gb or do i need more to see a difference?
thanks
indera
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Dr. Indera
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>
>
>
> adding ram won't invalidate your warranty - it's a simple user accessible
> slot.
> only possible problem you might have is that the laptop manufacturers
might
> not leave any free slots - your laptop might come with 512mb of memory in
> the form of 2x 256mb for example, filling both slots, so you need to
discard
> them and buy totally new ones to get to 1gig and then re-sell the smaller
> ones.
>
yep, most configurations of ram use both slots.
i never thought about selling them. that's a great idea
thanks
> >
> > i remember a dell tech telling me that they didn't recommend leaving the
> > laptop on for more than 12 hours without turning it off for at least an
> > hour. have you ever heard anything like that?
> >
>
>
>
>
> that sounds a bit crazy!
> for what it's worth, my dell laptop has run for months, 24 hours a day
> without ever being shut down.
>
>
>
wow!
i didn't know what to make of it because i know that corporate users leave
theirs on for long period of time.
thank you so much.
indera
C.Joseph Drayton
No problem with the name, most people get it wrong and I have to correct them. If I had a nickel for every time I had to correct
the spelling or the pronunciation of my name, I would be using a Sun Enterprise 10000 rather than a HP Pavilion zd7010us <LOL>.
The ease/difficulty of replacing RAM varies. My HP Pavilion zt1130 and Compaq 1800xl590 has one slot on the underside of the
computer with an access door the second under the keyboard. On my HP Pavilion zd7010us, both slots are on the bottom of the
machine. My hands are shaky enough that I didn't want to replace the RAM under the keyboard and paid CompUSA $40US to do it.
I saw a big difference when I upgraded my zt1130 from 512MB to 1.GB. Of course the programs that need lots of RAM will show a
big difference. For programs like MS Office and Mozilla, I saw no difference . . . for programs like Photoshop, I saw a big
difference (YMMV).