Help with IBM 5362 S/36
R.G. Bankras
I have recently added an IBM 5362 to my computer collection. After
cleaning the machine, booting appears to be successful up to the IPL
logon screen. After entering the known username and password for a
security officer, the server stops with an unresolvable program
execution error (SRC 0090). I have also been able to connect an 5250
emulation card to the mainframe.
My problem is: I don't have any software (SSP 5.1 or 6.0) on 8" disks
...
Assuming the problem can only solved by re-install of the OS, what
methods are available for restoring this nice machine? Is remote
installation through the 5250 emulation card possible? Is any software
available? Is is possible to duplicate SSP disks?
With kind regards,
Radko
--
R.G. Bankras
Calslaan 9-204
7522 MH Enschede
The Netherlands
University of Twente
r.g.b...@student.utwente.nl
Douglas Handy
>the server stops with an unresolvable program
>execution error (SRC 0090).
Did you try entering a 0 (zero) for the menu, library, and procedure
names? I think you'd get a different message if it is just an initial
program or menu which can't be found -- but it would be worth a shot.
>Assuming the problem can only solved by re-install of the OS, what
>methods are available for restoring this nice machine?
IPL from diskette. Pretty hard without the diskettes :(
>Is remote installation through the 5250 emulation card possible?
No.
>Is any software available? Is is possible to duplicate SSP disks?
SSP diskettes are the same for every 5360 or 5362. Microcode
diskettes are not, but SSP itself can be (re)loaded from any 5360/2
diskettes. You also will need to reload all PTF's (eg VASP).
The SSP diskettes from the 5363/4, even when converted from 5 1/4" to
8" diskettes, will *not* run on the 5360/2. To keep people from using
5363/4 system diskettes on the 5360/2, IBM added a new machine
instruction which is a duplicate of an existing function, then
compiled SSP to use it instead of the original. Since the 5360/2 does
not know what to do with it, you get a processor check (as I recall).
Note that HLL compilers like RPG never use it, so user programs can be
freely moved between the systems.
It should be noted that SSP and any licensed program products can
*NOT* be legally transferred with a 5362, unlike the 5363 or 5364.
Using somebody else's SSP diskettes when yours have been damaged or
lost is not a problem when you have a license for the OS.
Caveat emptor.
Doug
RW Lipp
<dha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>IPL from diskette. Pretty hard without the diskettes :(
>
I suspect that in this case, it is useless information, but it is also
possible to IPL from tape.
When backing up #LIBRARY to tape, a file called something like
#IPLBOOT is saved also. #IPLBOOT will start the system up and reload
#LIBRARY.
Perhaps not much use right now. But if you get the S/36 running
again, and don't have a 6157 tape drive, I happen to have one
currently listed on eBay.
...okay, okay, I know, it is another shameless plug...
-- RW Lipp
Any opinions expressed are exclusively my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
R.G. Bankras
> Radko,
>
> >the server stops with an unresolvable program
> >execution error (SRC 0090).
>
> Did you try entering a 0 (zero) for the menu, library, and procedure
> names? I think you'd get a different message if it is just an initial
> program or menu which can't be found -- but it would be worth a shot.
I have ... but without any success. However, I forgot to mention a screen
is
displayed prior to the IPL logon. The console displays "C201" near the
middle
of the screen and "SYS-0019" at the bottom of the screen. After pressing
the
enter button, the IPL logon screen appears. I have not been able to locate
these codes in the manuals. Are they unimportant or do they point at an
error
before the SRC 0090?
Radko
--
R.G. Bankras
Calslaan 9-204
7522 MH Enschede
The Netherlands
Peter Neidhart
"R.G. Bankras" <r.g.b...@student.utwente.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> I have ... but without any success. However, I forgot to mention a screen
> is
> displayed prior to the IPL logon. The console displays "C201" near the
> middle
> of the screen and "SYS-0019" at the bottom of the screen. After pressing
> the
> enter button, the IPL logon screen appears. I have not been able to locate
>
> these codes in the manuals. Are they unimportant or do they point at an
> error
> before the SRC 0090?
Usually these SRC codes indicate a hardware failure during power on self
test.
I'm not shure but I think C2 indicates error 01 of the MSP (main store
processor)
Try to do the following:
Power down the system and remove power cord.
Open the flap at the right side of the system.
do the following with each card:
remove card
remove dust
insert card
be careful and do not touch the connectors,
static charge can destroy the cards.
Then close machine and try again
When the key is in service position, you can select a load option
by setting the 4 digit display to FF00, then press load.
This will bypass all self tests (but not repair the machine), it will IPL
very quick
but later when it encounters the faulty spot it will crash.
There are other options to load the diagnostic software (DCP) but
I can't remeber them, it's too long since I did this).
Peter
RW Lipp
<r.g.b...@student.utwente.nl> wrote:
>I have ... but without any success. However, I forgot to mention a screen
>is
>displayed prior to the IPL logon. The console displays "C201" near the
>middle
>of the screen and "SYS-0019" at the bottom of the screen. After pressing
>the
>enter button, the IPL logon screen appears. I have not been able to locate
>
>these codes in the manuals. Are they unimportant or do they point at an
>error
>before the SRC 0090?
On the back of the 5362 are some bolts you can take out with an allen
wrench. After removing them, you can open the case. On the side with
the card cage, near the back, is a pocket that is supposed to contain
a copy of the 5362 SRC manual. It usually doesn't, because IBM CEs
were notoriously bad about putting it back, but you never know.
The SRC manual will list each code, the possible causes, the
probability of occurance for each possibility, and the necessary
repair actions.
Good luck.
wiebe slager
> I have ... but without any success. However, I forgot to mention a screen
> is
> displayed prior to the IPL logon. The console displays "C201" near the
> middle
> of the screen and "SYS-0019" at the bottom of the screen. After pressing
looked in IBM S/36 System Messages Manual and found:
SYS0019 means an IPL Wrap error occuurred, and C201 points to memory error.
which could mean that memory has been added/removed without reconfiguration.
(wrap errors are the result of the hardware checkup in the ipl process)
so check the installed memory hardware and compare with configured memory.
Errors imeediately after login are often caused because "startup" programs
can be linked to a user-id and if this program has been removed you indeed
have to enter 0 (zero) at the login screen lines for menu/ library/procedure
name fields.
succes
groeten uit Eindhoven
Wiebe (retired IBM CE)
sku...@gmail.com
> Hi,
>
> I have recently added an IBM 5362 to my computer collection. After
> cleaning the machine, booting appears to be successful up to the IPL
> logon screen. After entering the known username and password for a
> emulation card to the mainframe.
>
> My problem is: I don't have any software (SSP 5.1 or 6.0) on 8" disks
> ...
> installation through the 5250 emulation card possible? Is any software
>
> Radko
>
> --
> R.G. Bankras
> Calslaan 9-204
> 7522 MH Enschede
> The Netherlands
>
> r.g.b...@student.utwente.nl
Hi,
I realise this is a very old post. However I am a System/36 Engineer and can assist you a bit.
Firstly the error codes you are getting a CSP (Main Storage Program) exceptions. It was mentioned in this post. It is most likely as a result of the machine being downgraded (someone has a taken memory card out). The machines microcode should have been reconfigured when this was done but probably was not.
There is also a chance that the memory card/s in it have a fault. Not likely though. Even with the age of the system.
I can cut you a SSP set of diskettes from a backup of my system.
However you still need 3 diskettes that should be with the system. They are the diag diskettes and base microcode. Do you have these. (I do not have them). when my system fails I will not be able to reload it unless the internal hard disk is still in good shape.
I would be happy to send you the SSP backup if you could send me a copy of the diag diskettes.
It is 14 years since this post so I am guessing you no longer have the system still but it is worth asking.
Regards
Steve Kurlin
mrtnma...@gmail.com
I have a 5362 and have three disks marked "5362 R5.1 MCode" disk 01, 2 and 3. Are these the disks that you need? I obtained my 5362 from a physician and the computer runs medical clinic software. I would like to reload the system, omitting the clinical software. I do have the master login for the system and have ipl'd the system without problems. I have reconfigured the system to use a terminal console and a 4224 printer.
If you would like a copy of the diskettes, please send me the correct method of copying the diskettes. I have blank Diskette 1s and Diskette 2Ds.
At this point, I haven't a clue how to reload the system. I do have six diskettes marked "Preventive Service PTFS" with various differences on the IBM labels. I do not appear to have the actual SSP diskettes, as far as I can tell.
If you will help me, I'll copy the three MCode disks for you. Then perhaps you can help me reload the system.
Thank you,
Martin Marshall
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