IDDU Storage/Backup
Michael Kennedy
Maybe I knew this about 30 years ago, but I don't know it now!!
Does anyone know where the "S/36"-type systems hold the IDDU definitions
(Data-Dictionaries, Files, Formats, Fields)?
Last time I was on-site, I briefly looked around a bit (just using POP),
and didn't spot any obvious files, libraries, etc. Main concern,
obviously, is to check if they are held in normal backups of Files &
Libraries.
If they are in #LIBRARY, then, presumably, one option would be to create
a user library, LIBRLIBR from #LIBRARY into it, and save the user one
with all other user libs. But, that's assuming....
Many thanks,
- Mike
Allyn Uptain
Well, it's been 10 days and no one else has replied, so ...
>Does anyone know where the "S/36"-type systems hold the IDDU definitions
>(Data-Dictionaries, Files, Formats, Fields)?
I've only messed around with IDDU. Never really put it to use.
But it seems like, you tell it where you want to store the definitions
when you start working on the definitions. They are not stored in
#Library. Fairly sure they are stored in Folders. Don't think
Folders show up on the POP Libr or File command, which
could be why you didn't see them. You can get a list of
folders when you go into IDDU or Query - I believe.
If your 36s have an attached PC with a high speed internet
connection, you can easily get onto the 36 remotely by
using LogMeIn or one of the other remote control programs.
Since this is all over the internet now, there is no telephone
long distance costs.
later -
goo...@miamicomputer.com
#IDDFLDR 02/18/86 DOC FOLDER
#IDDFLDR DOC FOLDER
#IDDUSMP 09/26/84 DCT FOLDER
#IDDUSMP DCT FOLDER
On Sep 24, 9:35 pm, Allyn Uptain <nom...@junk.com> wrote:
Michael Kennedy
> Well, it's been 10 days and no one else has replied, so ...
>
>> Does anyone know where the "S/36"-type systems hold the IDDU definitions
>> (Data-Dictionaries, Files, Formats, Fields)?
>
> I've only messed around with IDDU. Never really put it to use.
> But it seems like, you tell it where you want to store the definitions
> when you start working on the definitions. They are not stored in
> #Library. Fairly sure they are stored in Folders. Don't think
> Folders show up on the POP Libr or File command, which
> could be why you didn't see them. You can get a list of
> folders when you go into IDDU or Query - I believe.
AFAIR, IDDU just asks for the names of the DDs, Files, etc, though,
internally, this may also refer to actual "Folders".
On reflection, I think you are correct - that IDDU keeps the
"definitions" in folders also. I'll check that. I think the main system
menus have "Work with Folders" options...
I also think POP doesn't show Folders (by default), but I recall
"fiddling" with POP's internals a very long time ago, and maybe, with
persuasion, it can be trained...
> If your 36s have an attached PC with a high speed internet
> connection, you can easily get onto the 36 remotely by
> using LogMeIn or one of the other remote control programs.
> Since this is all over the internet now, there is no telephone
> long distance costs.
Thank you. We've been using VNC (usually "Ultr@VNC"), but the client has
recently moved to "TeamViewer" (which I've not adopted yet).
(I've still not had a chance to try out those files you sent me some
time ago, but "Real Soon Now"!).
Best regards,
- Mike
Michael Kennedy
> aren't they stored in:
>
> #IDDFLDR 02/18/86 DOC FOLDER
> #IDDFLDR DOC FOLDER
> #IDDUSMP 09/26/84 DCT FOLDER
> #IDDUSMP DCT FOLDER
Sounds like they are! Thank you.
(As I may have mentioned, I'm "way" off-site, and will check these out
(and backups, etc) next time I have access).
- Mike
Allyn Uptain
on my 36 and taking a look at IDDU. Here's my current understanding,
which may be incorrect but is how I remember it working.
>Does anyone know where the "S/36"-type systems hold the IDDU definitions
>(Data-Dictionaries, Files, Formats, Fields)?
They're stored in Data Dictionaries. Which is a folder. Type IDDU and
hit enter. You get a menu. Option # 2 is Work with Data Dictionaries.
You take that option and it offers you the default of #USERDCT.
But you also have the option of creating your own. Which is what I
did and would assume most people do. If you change the name of
the user dict to "?", then the system shows you a list of all dictionaries.
The only way to browse a dictionary is to take option 1 or 5 off the
IDDU menu. You can select 1, then files, the ? to list the files in a
dictionary. Option 5 will list definitions in a dictionary.
The first thing you must determine is whether or not someone
created a data dictionary to store custom definitions. If that was
done, the defaults don't help. Anyway, Option 2 off the menu
will show you all data dictionaries.
later -
Michael Kennedy
THANK YOU very much! That effort was way OTT, and I greatly appreciate it.
I think the "definitions" that I was thinking about are about 20-25
years old!! And I'd already asked the client to check if their backups
(normally described as "Files", and "Libraries") contain the "Folders" also.
I'll definitely have to dig out my very very old notes on POP, and see
if I can get it to access the "Folders" also!!
Very many thanks, Allyn.
- Mike
Allyn Uptain
Well, I had to turn on my 36 to recover a 10 year old version of a pgm,
so while I had it on, I let my curiosity get the better of me.
I live in sunny Florida and only have one A/C vent into my home office
(which used to be the garage), so it can get warm in here and I don't turn
on the 36 unless I have to. Now every winter I'll turn it on and leave it on
for a few days at the time just to let it run a while and keep it warm during
cold snaps. Otherwise I do everything with Lattice and LogMeIn.
later -
Michael Kennedy
> (which used to be the garage), so it can get warm in here and I don't turn
> on the 36 unless I have to.
Dang, I thought you were based somewhere in the UK, but I've no idea
"why" I came to that conclusion!!
> Now every winter I'll turn it on and leave it on
> for a few days at the time just to let it run a while and keep it warm during
> cold snaps.
Sounds like a big S/36 (5360, I think), about 4 feet high, 8" Floppy
disk magazines, etc? Or is it one of the smaller desktop/AS-Entry boxes?
Only curious...
> Otherwise I do everything with Lattice and LogMeIn.
I'm not familiar with the Lattice stuff also; I recall they did
compilers, utils, etc, a long time ago, and I think I purchased some
(with "dongles"?), but never got to using them.
Apologies for drifting way off-topic!!
- Mike
Allyn Uptain
>"why" I came to that conclusion!!
I'm sure it's because you've been planning on buying me a
guiness one day! ;-)
>Apologies for drifting way off-topic!!
As little activity as this group has, it seems to me we just
need a posting every now and then to know it's still working.
later -