1987 PS/2 Monitor Specs?
Unknown
1987. I still have the system, but threw away the monitor years ago
after it lost focus and failed. Now I'm trying to remember which
monitor model I originally had with this system. Can anyone help me
remember which it was?
I believe that it was either a 8512 or 8513. (I know that it was
NOT the 8514 14" monitor, which may not even have been on sale at
the time).
My recollection is that there were two color VGA monitors from the
PS/2 series that IBM sold in 1987 for the typical Model 30 and Model
50 systems. One monitor was slightly larger and had a larger (i.e.
inferior) dot pitch. The other monitor was smaller (12" I believe)
but had a better dot pitch, sharper image, and came with an
adjustable monitor stand. I had the "better" monitor, which I
believe was the smaller of the two. I do remember for sure that I
bought the more expensive of the two. Now I can't remember which
model number it was.
As I said, I kept the entire system (documentation, boxes, etc) but
no longer have the monitor. It was first replaced under extended
recall warranty (although my particular unit had not yet lost focus,
IBM identified premature failure and allowed swapping out
replacements for free). Several years after that the replacement
monitor completely lost focus and I disposed of it. (This was in
the mid-1990s).
Does anyone have the specs for the standard IBM PS/2 color VGA
monitors sold in 1987?
Thanks!
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Dan O
> I bought a complete IBM PS/2 Model 50 system back in the fall of
> 1987. I still have the system, but threw away the monitor years ago
> after it lost focus and failed. Now I'm trying to remember which
> monitor model I originally had with this system. Can anyone help me
> remember which it was?
>
> I believe that it was either a 8512 or 8513. (I know that it was
> NOT the 8514 14" monitor, which may not even have been on sale at
> the time).
>
> My recollection is that there were two color VGA monitors from the
> PS/2 series that IBM sold in 1987 for the typical Model 30 and Model
> 50 systems. One monitor was slightly larger and had a larger (i.e.
> inferior) dot pitch. The other monitor was smaller (12" I believe)
> but had a better dot pitch, sharper image, and came with an
> adjustable monitor stand. I had the "better" monitor, which I
> believe was the smaller of the two. I do remember for sure that I
> bought the more expensive of the two. Now I can't remember which
> model number it was.
>
The model 50 complete system that I had (second-hand from original
owner) came originally with an 8513.
Louis Ohland
o Displays
- 8503 Monochrome Display Model 001
- 8512 Color Display Model 001
- 8513 Color Display Model 001
- 8514 Color Display Model 001
Announcement Letter Number 187-056
DESCRIPTION
The IBM 8512 has been designed as a balance between the need
for addressability and the ability to blend colors for near
image-quality application output. The Model 001 has the following
features:
o 0.41 mm phosphor stripe format
o 31.5KHz horizontal scan frequency non-interlaced
o Etched screen for low glare
o 320, 640, and 720 dot lines of horizontal addressability
o 350, 400, and 480 lines of vertical addressability
o 200 line modes run double scanned (400 lines) for improved
solidity of lines, characters and shapes
o 256KB color capability
o A 4:3 horizontal to vertical data area aspect ratio, which allows
for the creation of more realistic picture images
Announcement Letter Number 187-057
DESCRIPTION
The IBM Personal System/2 Color Display 8513 has a 12-inch
diagonal picture tube. The characteristics of this display are
designed for text and graphics in a high, daily utilization
environment, while still providing high-quality images.
o 0.28 mm phosphor dot pitch
o 31.5KHz horizontal scan frequency non-interlaced
o Etched screen for low glare
o 320, 640 and 720-dot lines of horizontal addressability
o 350, 400, and 480 lines of vertical addressability
o 200-line modes run scan-doubled (400 lines) for improved solidity
of lines, characters and shapes
o 256KB color capability
RickE
> I believe that it was either a 8512 or 8513.
Louis has kindly provided the specifications for the 8512 and 8513.
In case it is not obvious from the specs, the smaller 8513 monitor is
the one with the nice, crisp display and the 8512 is the one that
"looked like crap" even when new. If you decided to go monochrome
instead of color, either the 8503 or 8504 is a reasonable choice. On
the color side, the 8511 is another lousy-looking display, but the
8515, 8516 and 8518 are all good choices. The 8515 and 8516 can do
1024x768 like the 8514, but are physically about the same size as the
8512, the 8518 can only do 640x480 like the 8511/12/13.
If you decide to go for "newer" IBM VGA monitors than the 85xx series,
the choices really open up -- there's the Valuepoint displays in the
63xx type numbers, then there's the 95xx type number range of monitors
(the "Premier" displays) and the 65xx "General" (G40, G50, G70, G200,
etc) and "Premium" displays (P50, P70, P200, etc). Some of those
models have touch screens, too.
The display on my primary home system is a P260 (6552-63N), which is a
beautiful Trinitron CRT with an "almost flat" front running at
1600x1200. It's very nice, but it takes up a lot of space, is a bit
power-hungry, and is *heavy*. But I got it and it's two "brothers"
for free, so I can't complain.
Rick Ekblaw
UZnal
Definitely 8513, a 12" display with a dot pitch of 0.28 mm. I burned after a
few months one, IBM replaced it and I still have it. The monitor was
introduced Apr 1987 and manufactured for IBM in several different countries.
IBM
Monitors
8513 Color Monitor - Technical
Specifications
Applicable Countries
World-Wide
Product Information
This section contains feature and technical specification
information for the IBM 8513 Model 1 Color Monitor.
Operating Specifications:
-------------------------
Video Controllers
supported
XGA
XGA-2
Image Adapter/A
(IA/A)
8514/A
VGA
Maximum
resolution/colors
Other resolutions
640x480/256
(Using an XGA,
XGA-2, 8514/A,
or Image
Adapter/A
Adapter with
1MB of memory)
720x400/16 (text
mode)
All EGA
All MCGA
All CGA
Horizontal Scan
Frequency
31.6 KHz -
720x400 (text
mode) and lower
31.6 KHz -
640x480
(graphics mode)
and lower
Refresh Rate (Vertical
Scan)
70.1 Hz -
720x400
(Non-Interlaced)
70.1 Hz -
720x350
(Non-Interlaced)
59.9 Hz -
640x480 and
lower
(Non-Interlaced)
Aspect Ratio
4:03
Pels per Inch
79
Dot Pitch
.28mm
Phosphor
P22
Medium-Short
Persistence
Physical Specifications:
------------------------
Screen Orientation
Landscape
Screen Size (Diagonal)
12"
Bezel-to-Bezel
Viewing Area (HxV)
8.38" x 6.13"
(212mm x
155mm)
Flatter, Squarer Tube
(FST)
No
Screen curvature
635mm
Display Stand Included
Yes
Tilt/Swivel
Yes
Footprint (of Tilt/Swivel
Stand)
12.63" x 12.25"
(321mm x
311mm)
Height (Includes
Tilt/Swivel Stand)
12.3" (312mm)
Weight
23.0 lb (10.5 kg)
Signal Cable Length
6 ft (1.8 m)
Power Cable Length
6 ft (1.8 m)
Anti-glare Treatment
Etched
Controls
On/Off
Contrast
Brightness
Position
Side-mounted
Environmental Specifications:
------------------------------
Operating Temperage
Range
60-90� F
(15.6-32.2� C)
Operating Humidity
Range
8-80%
Maximum Operating
Altitude
???
Heat Output (BTUs/hr)
273
Noise Level
Classification
1 (No fan or
other noise
source)
Power Supply:
---------------
World-wide (110/60,
220/50)
No, 100-125,
50/60 only
Auto-Sensing/Switching
No
Amperage at: 90-137
VAC
0.95
180-264 VAC
N/A
Current Leakage
< 500
microamps (IEC
950)
Energy-Efficient
Circuitry
No
Typical Power
Consumption
52-66W
VESA Power-Saving
Modes
No
Miscellaneous:
FCC Classification
B
CSA Approval
Yes
UL Approval
Yes
Document ID: VLAR-3X7QR9
Copyright � 1998 IBM Corporation
Here some more, an excerpt from PS Assistant, 1989. The max resolution of
720x640 refers to the text mode, the max graphics mode is VGA 640x480 max
256 colors.
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Table 5-B. Displays
Suggested
Heat Power Maximum
Display Retail Maximum Viewing Area ------Dimensions------ Weight
Output Rating Current
Model Price Resolution Width x Height Width x Depth x Height (lbs.)
(BTU/hr) (Watts) (Amps)*1
------- ------ ---------- --------------- ---------------------- ------ ----
---- ------- -------
8503*2 $ 275 720x640 8.1" x 6.1" 12.6" x 12.2" x 12.3" 18.8 188
55 0.80
8506*3 $1295 848x1200 8.5" x 11.8" 13.1" x 14.6" x 18.5" 48.5 341
100 1.20
8507*2 $ 865 1024x768 14.0" x 10.5" 18.7" x 17.0" x 17.7" 51.7 290
85 1.20
8508*3 $1295 1600x1200 14.0" x 10.5" 18.7" x 17.0" x 17.7" 51.7 341
100 1.20
8512*4 $ 623 720x640 9.4" x 7.1" 14.0" x 15.5" x 12.0" 30.0 325
61 1.00
8513 $ 750 720x640 8.1" x 6.1" 12.6" x 12.2" x 12.3" 23.0 273
100 0.95
8514 $1620 1024x768 11.1" x 8.3" 15.8" x 16.3" x 14.2" 41.9 307
100 2.00
* All color displays (8512, 8513, and 8514) are capable of displaying up to
256 colors simultaneously from a palette of 262,144 colors at varying
resolutions depending on the graphics adapter and the amount of graphics
memory available.
* The 8503 and 8507 displays can display 64 shades of gray simultaneously
at at varying resolutions depending on the graphics adapter and the
amount of graphics memory available. Application colors are
automatically converted to gray shades via color summing.
* The 8506 and 8508 displays can display up to 16 shades of gray from a
range of 256 shades of gray at varying resolutions depending upon the
amount of memory on the PS/2 Image Adapter/A.
* All displays require an input voltage of 100 - 125 Volts AC with a
frequency of 50-60 Hz.
* All displays have been tested to operate properly when the air
temperature is at least 15.6� C (60� F) and not more than
32.2� C (90� F) with relative humidity between 8% and
80% at altitudes not greater than 2,134 meters (7000 feet) above
sea level.
* Both the power cord and signal cord on all displays are 1.8 meters (6
feet) in length.
* All displays are classified as Acoustic Class 1 (no fan or other noise
source).
*1 Maximum current sustainable by the power supply. Actual current during
operation will approximate power rating (Watts) divided by input voltage
(Vac).
*2 May only be attached to the PS/2 Image Adapter/A, Feature #4324.
*3 Does not include tilt-swivel pedestal. All displays except the 8512
come with a tilt-swivel pedestal.
Robert E. Watts
"UZnal" <unalz-at-mail333-dot-com> wrote in message news:4b8accdd$0$12836
<znip>
> * All displays have been tested to operate properly when the air
> temperature is at least 15.6� C (60� F) and not more than
> 32.2� C (90� F) with relative humidity between 8% and
> 80% at altitudes not greater than 2,134 meters (7000 feet) above
> sea level.
What happens when you go above 2134 meters ?
bob
JWR
> What happens when you go above 2134 meters ?
You get to 2135 . . . .
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Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki
Tim Knight/CT
Indeed....and as we old pilots learned in training, as you go higher,
the temperature decreases at a rate of about 2 degrees celsius per
1000 feet. By this time you have frozen some pretty important body
parts.........
CT
philo
Though it's always advised not to open a monitor
due to high voltage being present even with the power off...
re-focusing a monitor is a very simple operation
there is usually an adjustment on the HV coil...
I keep a few vintage systems going from time to time
William R. Walsh
> Can anyone help me remember which it was?
From what you have said, it seems like you had an 8513. That would have been
the smaller display (ironically enough, considering the model number) but it
had better specs all the way around. The 8512 was the cheapest 14" VGA color
display IBM sold with the PS/2. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.)
There are three 8513 strains I know of: ones made in the US, Taiwan and
Korea. Of those, I've seen about an equal mix of US and Taiwan units. Only
one Korean made unit has ever darkened my door. The US made ones were built
by IBM, and had a Panasonic tube. Units made in Taiwan were assembled by
Tatung and I saw mostly Toshiba tubes in those. I don't know about the units
made in Korea--possibly Samsung?
Reliability wise, and measuring by personal experience, it seems like the
US-made ones were the best. I almost never found one of those dead. The
Taiwanese made units seemed to have a lot of trouble with focus loss, color
shifts or even bad caps. The lone Korean unit I saw did nothing except try
to degauss itself when powered on.
I only have two left now--one made in the US and the other in Taiwan. The US
made one seems to be suffering from power supply instability, especially
when warm. The Taiwanese-made unit has lost a lot of focus and
brightness--I'd imagine the tube to be worn out.
William
William R. Walsh
> Though it's always advised not to open a monitor
> due to high voltage being present even with the power off...
There is another, more sinister aspect to the USA-made variant of the 8513.
Unlike the Korean and Taiwanese sourced units, the US-made model is held
together by some snaps instead of screws. These are somewhat difficult to
release. IBM made a tool for doing the job, but I've never seen it.
There is so little room around the tube neck in the case that if you get a
little too ambitious, you will *break* the CRT neck clean off. i know. I
did. In my case I heard a "hisssssss" and that was it, but the tube could
always implode and that may happen violently.
William
philo
I never bother to do any major repairs to monitors
as I can get all I want free...
but if it's just a simple matter of re-focusing one I'll do it
RickE
<newsgrou...@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com> wrote:
> Unlike the Korean and Taiwanese sourced units, the US-made model is held
> together by some snaps instead of screws. These are somewhat difficult to
> release. IBM made a tool for doing the job, but I've never seen it.
The "tool" is a simple piece of plastic of an appropriate length,
ending in a taper so that it will lift the latches when inserted into
the slots in the back of the case. If you had the dimensions, so
could make your own out of heavy cardboard (you can use the size of
the slots as a guide, as I recall the length was around 6 inches).
Rick Ekblaw
TeoZ
"Robert E. Watts" <bobw...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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The higher up you go the thinner the air is, which affects heat conduction
(cooling capacity) of heatsinks etc.
Robert E. Watts
"TeoZ" <te...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> What happens when you go above 2134 meters ?
>>
>> bob
>
> The higher up you go the thinner the air is, which affects heat conduction
> (cooling capacity) of heatsinks etc.
>
Actually, my question was purely rhetorical, and meant to provoke
hilariously funny responses. But, if you prefer seriousness:
Assuming you were actually watching your CRT at or above 2134 meters, I
would have to assume that you were enclosed in an environment conducive to
human survival. This would probably be temperature controlled, which would
negate any altitude induced freezing, or severe changes in heating or
cooling, as I would imagine this is necessary for most human survival, or at
least comfort. However, if you were truly an outdoorsman type, and insisted
on climbing for example Mt. Everest with your handy dandy pup tent, and a
really long extension cord for your PS/2 computer equipment, possibly even a
CATV cable for internet access, I could see this being a problem for the
equipment working properly.
No, I was more concerned with the difference in atmospheric pressure.
Assuming a standard 14.7 PSI at sea level on this planet ( which the monitor
was designed for ), I could certainly see a problem at high altitudes. The
atmo pressure against the screen/glass would be reduced. The cathode would
send streams of electrons to the anode, accelerating them into the
phosphorescent screen/mask, and blow right on through the screen because the
pressure holding the glass is reduced, causing deadly glass shards to be
blown all over the pup tent. With a color monitor, and three "guns" blowing
electrons everywhere, the problem would be even worse. This would of course
result in major disruption of internet service, and probably cause
irritation to a person sitting in front of the monitor.
That would be my primary concern, reduced pressure against the glass,
allowing dangerous and deadly electrons to explode the screen with great
force.
Just my 7� worth.
bobwatts
Lirpa Loof Productions.
Cheers
In article <3ee1$4b8db279$d066b70b$56...@FUSE.NET>, bobw...@nowhere.com
says...
well i lived in Bogota for 5 years, and Bogotá is 2600 mtrs above sea
level, no CRT went off :-)
Moussa
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"Cheers" <mous...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> well i lived in Bogota for 5 years, and Bogot� is 2600 mtrs above sea
> level, no CRT went off :-)
>
> Moussa
> --
Always the first question when something electrical is concerned:
Did you plug it in ?
8=}
bob
Cheers
bobw...@nowhere.com says...
>
> Hi Moussa !
>
> "Cheers" <mous...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25f97dd68...@192.168.1.119...
>
> >
> > level, no CRT went off :-)
> >
> > Moussa
> > --
>
> Always the first question when something electrical is concerned:
>
> Did you plug it in ?
>
> 8=}
>
> bob
c'mon ...be serious Bob, you expect me to remember something i done 5+
years ago?:-)
Robert E. Watts
"Cheers" <mous...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > well i lived in Bogota for 5 years, and Bogot� is 2600 mtrs above sea
>> > level, no CRT went off :-)
> c'mon ...be serious Bob, you expect me to remember something i done 5+
> years ago?:-)
>
> Moussa
Ah, well, understandable. After all, you were "high" for 5 straight years.
:-)
Never having experienced being at great height myself, I have heard that the
memory is dodgy at best under
such circumstances.
8+}
bob
Cheers
In article <46bb8$4b8fa7b2$d066b70b$13...@FUSE.NET>,
bobw...@nowhere.com says...
>
> Ah, well, understandable. After all, you were "high" for 5 straight
years.
> :-)
as the song goes, you don't know what is like!:-)
>
> Never having experienced being at great height myself, I have heard that the
> memory is dodgy at best under
> such circumstances.
quite right, my statement is missing, actually that event happened
sometimes 17+ years ago, between 1987-1993 :-), took almost 2 weeks for
my body to adjust to the hight, 1 st day was the worst.
> 8+}
> bob
Unknown
Unknown
the 8513.
Unlike the Korean and Taiwanese sourced units, the US-made model is
held
together by some snaps instead of screws. These are somewhat
difficult to
release. IBM made a tool for doing the job, but I've never seen it."
I must have had the US-made model, because I clearly remember
finding that some strange snaps were required. No way to open the
case for me....
Unknown
due to high voltage being present even with the power off...
re-focusing a monitor is a very simple operation
there is usually an adjustment on the HV coil...
I keep a few vintage systems going from time to time"
My 8513 had a great "feature" where after a few weeks of use (several hours
a day), if I put my hand up against the center of the CRT I would get an
ENORMOUS shock of static electricity. I mean, I'd be seeing stars and
everything. I wouldn't even have to touch the screen - as long as I got
1cm from it I'd get knocked on my rear. I could never figure out if this
was a hardware fault or if I just literally was building up that much
static electricity, although I've never experienced that with anything
else. This "feature" started in late 1988 so the monitor was only a year
old. It didn't matter if the screen was on or off....
Jeff C.
Wasn't there a recall on the Taiwanese sourced 8513's around 1991
iirc? I don't remember the S/N prefix that was affected (23- or 72-)
Jeff
William R. Walsh
> Wasn't there a recall on the Taiwanese sourced 8513's around 1991
> iirc? I don't remember the S/N prefix that was affected (23- or 72-)
A 23- serial number prefix indicates a "made in the US" IBM product. A
prefix of 55 indicates Europe (Greenock?) as the place of manufacture,
and 72 means Taiwan (and possibly Korea as well).
All of this is open to correction, my memory could be fuzzy about the
exact meaning of each prefix.
Anyway, I have heard of that recall. I don't know what variations of
the 8513 it affected. For all I know, IBM could well have treated all
the various 8513 types equally. It was supposed to have something to
do with focus failure.
It would surprise me if any monitors covered by the recall were not
replaced very soon afterwards. Today it seems like most of these
monitors are just reaching the limits of their lifespan.
William
William R. Walsh
> My 8513 had a great "feature" where after a few weeks of use
> (several hours a day), if I put my hand up against the center
> of the CRT I would get an ENORMOUS shock of static
> electricity. I mean, I'd be seeing stars and everything.
Wow. My experience (yours could vary) suggests that at least the face
of a computer CRT is grounded. It seems like you could have had a
charge built up by the time you arrived.
Unless you'd been going out of your way, though, I wouldn't expect
that such a shock would do any more than give you a little surprise.
Maybe something was wrong with the monitor's internal wiring,
something plugged into the same circuit or the building wiring?
William