Peter Wendt
Basil Holloway
Still on that project you advised me on many many months ago.
To recap, but slightly revised to keep up with racing technology.
To mount an IDE DVD burner (preferably dual layer) in an external SCSI box
using a real slim SCSI/IDE adapter card on the back of the IDE DVD burner.
To be used between MCA and IDE RS6000's computers.
How do any of these cards look technically to your expert eye.
http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?type1_title=SCSIDE%20Bridge&type1_idno=2
http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?type1_title=SCSIDE%20II%20Bridge&type1_idno=11
Have a NEC Multispin external SCSI enclosures with 60mm free inside between
back of DVD and rear wall of enclosure.
You consultancy fee, no problem.
Have a rich backer on board, a Tim CT Knight.
However, payment would have to be in Aussie cents, delivery freight collect.
Basil
Louis Ohland
Louis Ohland
Peter H. Wendt
> Peter
> Still on that project you advised me on many many months ago.
>
> To recap, but slightly revised to keep up with racing technology.
>
> To mount an IDE DVD burner (preferably dual layer) in an external SCSI box
> using a real slim SCSI/IDE adapter card on the back of the IDE DVD burner.
> To be used between MCA and IDE RS6000's computers.
That's what I have over here ... running the Dual-Layer DVD burner from
TSST (Toshiba / Samsung) inside a 3510-AV0 enclosure gives a lot
flexibility. I doubt however that integration in the RS/6000-world is
that easy, since the drive will be detected as "other" in best case -
with probable inability to use SmartBurn (essential !) or DVD burning.
Mileage may vary.
> How do any of these cards look technically to your expert eye.
>
> http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?type1_title=SCSIDE%20Bridge&type1_idno=2
>
> http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?type1_title=SCSIDE%20II%20Bridge&type1_idno=11
The AEC-7720U Ultra-SCSI converter will do. The 3510 is narrow-SCSI by
nature and you could easily convert to Wide-SCSI with a matching cable.
Lesser problematically than building a Wide-SCSI device and convert down
to a Narrow-SCSI controller. (At least for my taste ...)
> Have a NEC Multispin external SCSI enclosures with 60mm free inside between
> back of DVD and rear wall of enclosure.
More than enough room. The adapter is about 30mm "thick" IIRC.
> You consultancy fee, no problem.
> Have a rich backer on board, a Tim CT Knight.
> However, payment would have to be in Aussie cents, delivery freight collect.
Funny enough: I am busy with an australian car at the moment, which
catches my interest. The new 2007 Holden UTE. Particularly the SS-V
version .... :-)
Rumours claim that Holden make a LHD version for Middle East. Next time
I am in Dubai I need to look for a Holden / GM dealer. The 45.000 AUS$
make about 30.000 Euro ... plus transport, plus german registration ...
Hmmm. Still a bargain.
(But my girlfried isn't very much amused about the idea.)
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Basil Holloway
Thanks for your extertise.
Will get some parts in and give it a go.
I drive a 1994 Holden Station Waggon, had it since new and done 256,000 km.
When I bought it, had dual petrol lpg fitted and have been laughing all the
way to the bank ever since.
I paid $A34,000 in 1994 for it and 13 years later they are about $43,000 on
the road but of course with heaps of extra improvements.
One area where technology has been great. Plenty of cheap imports has also
forced the local manufacturers GMH Ford Toyota and Mitsubishi to sharpen
their pencils over the years.
Pass the Holden/GMH dealer every day on way to PO. If you want any info just
yell out. Send your snail mail info to farl...@bigpond.com. Delete FAKE.
Basil
Charles Lasitter
> The AEC-7720U Ultra-SCSI converter will do. The 3510 is narrow-SCSI by
> nature and you could easily convert to Wide-SCSI with a matching cable.
I have the narrow to wide conversion kit for the 3510. I've used
several and they work well.
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Basil Holloway
"Charles Lasitter" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:14:12 +0100, Peter H. Wendt wrote:
>
>> The AEC-7720U Ultra-SCSI converter will do. The 3510 is narrow-SCSI by
>> nature and you could easily convert to Wide-SCSI with a matching cable.
>
> I have the narrow to wide conversion kit for the 3510. I've used
> several and they work well.
>
Do you have any part numbers manufacturers etc for kit.
Any pictures on web ?
Thanks
Basil
Charles Lasitter
> Do you have any part numbers manufacturers etc for kit.
> Any pictures on web?
I took the thing out of the box to save space but just looked at it,
so here goes:
No number on the stamped metal part that holds the beginning and
ending HPDB68 connectors. In between, as you'd expect, is a cable
that goes to the device.
It basically works by replacing the existing backplate on the box.
My own recollection was that it was a bit more of a tight fit than I
expected, but nothing major.
Once installed, looks like this:
http://www.ncdm.com/egpc/scsi-pix/3510fw.jpg
Basil Holloway
Installed it in an external SCSI enclosure with a IDE Samsung TS-H552
DVD+-R/RW double layer DVD burner.
Hooked it up to a AHA2940/W95 box and it works perfectly.
Attatched it to the 7044-170-44P and had mixed results.
Could read both CD's and DVD's
Could copy from CD's and DVD's to the hard drive.
Burnt acrobat from hard drive to CD using " #mkcd -d /dev/cd1 -r /acrobat "
Could not burn acrobat from hard drive to DVD using " #mkdvd -d /dev/cd1 -r
/acrobat " on either a DVD+R(Verbatim) or DVD-R(HP).
Using #mkcd -d /dev/cd1 it successfully burnt a 5 cd set of boot cd's but on
trying to boot off them on 44P and F80 they hung at E175.
Checked the VPD list and CD1 was there and could test it okay and read its
Resource Attributes. Looking at each of the 5 cd set on 44P and F80 could
see all the files that were burnt to the cd's.
Using #mkdvd -d /dev/cd1 with both DVD+R(Verbatim) or DVD-R(HP) dvd's it
failed.
Using the DVD-R disks the screen said for both burning acrobat and mysysb
dvd's the " burn_cd " was successful, but it was not, nothing burnt to the
dvd's, the burn light came on for a millisecond.
Using the DVD+R disks the 0512-322 error came up for both burning acrobat
and mysysb dvd's.The rotter even made coasters here.
To sum up could not burn any DVD's. Could burn data CD's. Could burn mksysb
CD's but they would not boot.
Resource attributes are
VPD for CD1 P1/Z2-A3 Other SCSI CD-ROM Drive
Mfg : TSSTcorp
Type & Model : CD/DVDW TS-H552B
ROS level & ID: TS04
Devics Specific(Z0): 058002325B000010
Platform Specific
Name: sd
Node: sd
Device Type: block
Play Audio Support: NO
Block Size: 512
CD-DA Density Code: 0
Device Clears its Queue Error: NO
Mode2 Form1 Density Code: 0
Mode2 Form2 Density Code: 0
Block Size: 31
Prevent ejection of media when open: NO
Use QERR bit: YES
Queueing Type: NONE
Queue Depth: 1
Reserve Device on open: NO
Read time out value: 30
Start Unit time out value: 60
Peter is the set up for your system the same.
Kept all copies of the terminal failure messages if these are of any use.
Basil
Peter H. Wendt
> The Acard AEC-7720U SCSI to IDE adapter turned up.
> Installed it in an external SCSI enclosure with a IDE Samsung TS-H552
> DVD+-R/RW double layer DVD burner.
> Hooked it up to a AHA2940/W95 box and it works perfectly.
> Attatched it to the 7044-170-44P and had mixed results.
My experiences are limited to PS/2 machines. No R6K involved (yet).
> Could read both CD's and DVD's
So do PS/2 from the 9556 upwards and capable to run at least W95.
> Could copy from CD's and DVD's to the hard drive.
dto.
[... a gentle snip to save ressources ...]
> Resource attributes are
> VPD for CD1 P1/Z2-A3 Other SCSI CD-ROM Drive
> Mfg : TSSTcorp
> Type & Model : CD/DVDW TS-H552B
> ROS level & ID: TS04
Mine is a TSST CD/DVDW SH-S182M
Firmware Level SB00
> Devics Specific(Z0): 058002325B000010
> Platform Specific
> Name: sd
> Node: sd
> Device Type: block
> Play Audio Support: NO
> Block Size: 512
> CD-DA Density Code: 0
> Device Clears its Queue Error: NO
> Mode2 Form1 Density Code: 0
> Mode2 Form2 Density Code: 0
> Block Size: 31
> Prevent ejection of media when open: NO
> Use QERR bit: YES
> Queueing Type: NONE
> Queue Depth: 1
> Reserve Device on open: NO
> Read time out value: 30
> Start Unit time out value: 60
> Peter is the set up for your system the same.
Of course not.
What *I* think is that burning DVDs requires some higher data throughput
and more system reserves at startup. That's the point where my 9595
starts rattling the SCSI HD quite a bit long before the initial burning
process starts .... and I wonder what would happen if I'd turn off the
SmartBurn for the drive. Coaster-production most likely. I also doubt
that the R6K burning sw initiates the SmartBurn facility - and hence the
burning fails. It may not be needed for burning CDs given that the SCSI
adapter is snappy enough. My opinion however from out of my stomache
feeling proven by nothing.
(And may mean nothing: I am on sick leave from work after I barfed the
whole night from Wednesday to Thursday .... and that just describes the
operation mode of my "frontside bus" ...)
Checkout "DeepBurner" freeware with a Win9x-based PS/2 to verify the
operation of the device as such. I'm pretty sure it will nicely burn
DVDs with e.g. a P60 or even 486DX2 powered machine. I regularly burn
DVD-RW with data on my 9595, about 3GB at the moment.
Basil Holloway
Thanks for your reply. Really need somethink for RS6000.
Tim Knight has had success with a Panasonic DVD-RAM so will give that option
a go.
Take care of your health and thanks for getting out of your sick bed to
reply.
Basil
UZnal
> > VPD for CD1 P1/Z2-A3 Other SCSI CD-ROM Drive
Recognized as a CD drive....
> > Type & Model : CD/DVDW TS-H552B
... but it is actually a dual CD/DVD drive.
In read mode, the kind of the medium, a CD or DVD, is not really important.
At writing, the disk must be distinguished, because you may have prepared a
data set for a DVD and inserted a CD to write on, somebody must see the
error and prompt you to insert a DVD disk. In your case, the writer app
requests a CD to write on and the drive complies, that is, I think, the
problem.
A question comes to mind - is it possible to "format" a DVD like a CD, that
is to burn and treat it like a conventional CD which will be recognized as
such by other drives?
Tim Knight/CT
>
> A question comes to mind - is it possible to "format" a DVD like a CD, that
> is to burn and treat it like a conventional CD which will be recognized as
> such by other drives?
Hi UZ.....
I wrote files to a DVD-RAM disk on a Windows machine, and then mounted
and read them on an RS/6000 machine using the command "mount -rv
cdrfs /dev/cdX" so I think it is possible.
CT
UZnal
that
> > is to burn and treat it like a conventional CD which will be recognized
as
> > such by other drives?
> I wrote files to a DVD-RAM disk on a Windows machine, and then mounted
> and read them on an RS/6000 machine using the command "mount -rv
> cdrfs /dev/cdX" so I think it is possible.
Did you use a pure CD-ROM drive to read the DVD-RAM disk ?
Tim Knight/CT
No, I merely swapped the whole DVD-RAM drive containing the disk to
the RS6K machine and read it there. The problem was that the disk I
used was in a cartridge that could not be opened.
I just recently received a bunch of single-sided cartridges with
removable disks and am going to try to put a regular DVD-ROM disk in
and write to it. If that works, I will put it in a pure CDROM drive
and see if it can be read.
CT
UZnal
> removable disks and am going to try to put a regular DVD-ROM disk in
> and write to it. If that works, I will put it in a pure CDROM drive
> and see if it can be read.
I doubt that it can be read at all. The disk has certainly a stamped
designation as a DVD disk resp. a CD disk, and I doubt that those can be
changed at all. Also, the DVD disk density is different.
Basil Holloway
Thought differentiation of cd or dvd disk would be done at command level by
using mkcd or mkdvd for appropriate disk inserted .
Also think my setup may be too complicated for the RS6000/AIX5.3 to handle.
Starting at computer, cable comes out of that special small 68 pin SCSI plug
into a short cable to convert it to the standard 68 pin SCSI size. Into
another cable to get it to attatched to the Centronics 50 SCSI plug on the
External enclosure. On the inside of the enclosure it is converted back to
68 pin then into the Acard adapter which converts it into IDE plug to go
into the DVD drive.
Basil
Louis Ohland
http://www.gilanet.com/ohlandl/SCSI/Mixing-narrow-wide.html
http://www.gilanet.com/ohlandl/IBM_SCSI/SCSI-FW.html#HPDB68_With_MCX
Also, a short differential SCSI cable of about 1.5m would work. If there
are any RS/6000 differential cables down there, I'd czech one out.