ValuePoint reference disk
Robert E. Watts
Wasn't paying attention during some HDD's testing recently.
Allowed the BIOS to "save" a "No HDD" configuration. I can't change it back
without a reference disk. Naturally, I can't find mine, if I ever had one.
Got a disk for every PS/2 ever made though.....
Does anyone know where I can download a reference disk for a:
IBM Valuepoint 6381 F30 ?
Thanks!
bobwatts
Pete Rickard
Are you sure this one needs a ref disc?
I don't have a listing for any VP refdiscs on my list.
Thought it would be a F1 at power-on to access bios settings.
I'm still looking through files just in case.
Don't happen to know the file name??
Best o luck,
Pete.
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this is all the files I have related to VP
ftp://ps2cheers.homedns.org:2121
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Robert E. Watts
Hi Bob,
Are you sure this one needs a ref disc?
I don't have a listing for any VP refdiscs on my list.
Thought it would be a F1 at power-on to access bios settings.
I'm still looking through files just in case.
Don't happen to know the file name??
Best o luck,
Pete.
Pretty sure. It has that famous IBM graphic asking for a floppy disk to be
inserted on start up now. Can't change the HDD option in BIOS. Aggravating.
Stupid of me also.
> this is all the files I have related to VP
> ftp://ps2cheers.homedns.org:2121
>
>
Hi Moussa !
I guess I'm too dense to determine which of those files might be a reference
disk for the 6381 VP. The files I checked were not ref disks. If you get a
minute, can you tell which one is correct ?
Thanks very much!
bob
Cheers
In article <56d0b$48c10daa$4ad76274$76...@FUSE.NET>, no_...@nowhere.com
says...
> Hi Moussa !
>
> I guess I'm too dense to determine which of those files might be a reference
> disk for the 6381 VP. The files I checked were not ref disks. If you get a
> minute, can you tell which one is correct ?
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> bob
>
>
>
try vp1diags.exe else vp2diags.exe
I should have some kinda file related to descriptions.
let dig in more.
Moussa
Cheers
allfiles.txt
=========================================================================
===
IBM PS/ValuePoint Files
/pub/pccbbs/valuepnt
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
540to528.exe 171625 12-15-94 64XX 540 H-disk fix for Novell Server
6381fxx.exe 226681 10-29-93 6381 FXX Power Management Disk
6381wg31.zip 9033 05-25-94 Replaces SYSTEM.INI in Win for WrkGroup
atios232.exe 678200 07-26-94 32-bit video driver for OS/2 2.1 on P60/D
atiset01.exe 1061236 07-26-94 ATI/PCI Mach 32 video drivers for OS/2
clock00.exe 35920 06-02-93 Date/Time error fix for OS/2 1.3 on VP
clock01.sys 3686 10-14-93 VP2 OS/2 2.00.1 Date & Time
d2uf4spl.pdf 444257 08-11-98 ValuePoint HMM Supplement April, 1994
dcodeati.exe 893377 01-11-95 OS/2 ATI-TR fix for P60/D
doscdati.exe 21897 01-04-95 Device driver for TR, ATI & Novell P60D
dosdcati.exe 21783 01-11-95 Fix for Video Hangs with Net. Cards and >
16
colors on network
dosports.exe 1792 02-23-94 Initialize COM3 or COM4 on ISA Systems
dossmc.zip 4071 03-24-94 Fix - 6381 or P60/D serial port hangs-DOS
dsaafix.exe 123391 04-02-96 Code fix for IDE 120, 240, 340MB
fastcur.com 19 12-17-94 Fast cursor for 6381
hddpio.exe 6731 05-18-94 Makes 170&245M HD on 6384 P60D a PIO
ibmatid1.exe 950635 01-27-95 ATI Mach32 setup & video drivers 2.3 P60D
#1
ibmatid2.exe 1095131 08-16-94 ATI Mach32 setup & video driver 2.3 P60D
#2
ibmkbfix.exe 16766 09-15-93 Fix VP keyboard lockup in Windows
ide311.exe 22324 01-02-93 updated disk driver for netware 3.11
idecdfix.sys 12926 12-22-94 IDE CDROM fix for 6387
l6jt68a.exe 428589 06-21-95 Flash BIOS update for ValuePoint 2 v68
l6jt70a.exe 429023 05-06-97 Flash BIOS update diskette VP2 v70
l6jt70a.new 153 06-13-97 Readme for L6JT70A.EXE
l6jt70a.txt 4454 06-13-97 Readme for L6JT70A.EXE
l8jt43a.exe 568599 03-10-95 Flash BIOS update for 6381 v.43
l8jt44a.exe 569232 01-19-96 Flash BIOS update for 6381 v44
l8jt51a.exe 572766 01-05-98 Flash BIOS v51 6381
l8jt52a.exe 569361 01-19-98 Flash BIOS update v52a 6381
l8jt52a.txt 640 01-19-98 Readme for L8JT52A.EXE
ldjt67a.exe 683785 03-01-95 Flash BIOS update 64xx v67
ldjt70a.exe 683887 05-06-95 Flash BIOS update 64xx v70
ldjt80a.exe 631137 01-05-98 Flash BIOS v80A 6472, 6482, 6492, 6484,
6494
ldjt80a.txt 6361 01-05-98 Readme for LDJT80A
ldjt81a.exe 686465 09-10-99 Flash BIOS update diskette v81a 64xx
ldjt81a.txt 6513 09-10-99 Readme file for LDJT81A.EXE
lformat.exe 144660 01-16-95 low-level format utility for 6384 P60/D
ntfloppy.zip 13802 02-15-94 Patch to load Windows NT from diskette
6384-18x, 6384-19x
os2drvp.exe 918273 02-26-93 OS/2 2.00.1 vid recovery dsk - 486 VP1
p60dgs.exe 626719 06-03-94 Diagnostics for P-60D v 4.0
p60nt.exe 147472 03-15-94 Fix for P60D w/527MB hardfile that can't
load
WIN NT 3.1
parityfx.exe 768 07-07-93 Fix for Parity Errors on NEW VP's
preinst1.exe 497344 12-29-92 OS/2 Pre-Install Utility Disk (1 of 3)
preinst2.exe 545752 06-23-94 OS/2 - Pre-install utility disk 2 of 3
preinst3.exe 473647 12-30-92 OS/2 Preinstall Utility Disk (3 of 3)
refresh.exe 33756 02-17-95 Refresh Rate Utility for VP Systems
s3-16m.exe 1358907 12-13-94 OS/2 2.1 S3 video drivers
s3132x25.com 6 01-28-94 132 Column mode for S3 Valuepoints.
s3132x43.com 6 01-27-94 132 col mode for S3 VP's
s3cds22.exe 377277 06-15-95 S3 86C805 v2.20 DOS/Utilities
s3cos1.exe 1357586 06-15-95 S3 86C805 OS/2 2.x High Res
s3cwn24.exe 567357 06-15-95 S3 86C805 v2.4B8 Windows
s3dos20.exe 348507 07-23-93 DOS and CAD S3 drivers ver 2.0
s3dos220.exe 388231 12-16-93 S3 DOS and CAD drivers Ver2.2
s61g1423.pdf 1248701 05-18-98 Valuepoint Hardware Maintenance Manual -
September 1993
shadow.exe 6921 05-12-93 Enable/Disable ROM Shadow for NEW VPs
si25dosb.exe 639877 10-13-93 6381 425sx DOS Video Driver Update
si25winb.exe 689013 10-14-93 6381 (Fxx) Windows 3.1 updated SVGA
driver
si33dosb.exe 427010 10-13-93 6381 433dx DOS Video Driver Update
si33winb.exe 611643 10-13-93 6381 433dx Windows Video Driver Update
sirq.exe 7759 05-03-94 Fixes for VP Ethernet Cards in 6381 for
IRQ's
other than 11
slwdwn.zip 810 02-24-94 Slow down utility for fast CPU's
vp1diags.exe 145208 05-13-93 Diag diskette for orig. 6384 VP1
vp2copro.zip 61010 09-28-94 VP2 Math-coprocessor fix DOS/Win
Req/VP2FL65A
vp2diags.exe 181185 01-13-94 PS/VP Diagnostics (Type 2) 1.2 425SX,
433SX,
433DX, 466DX2
vp2fl53a.exe 428380 09-20-94 Flash bios upgrade for ValuePoint 2 v53
vp2fl54a.exe 428442 09-20-94 Flash bios upgrade for ValuePoint 2 v54
vp2fl58a.exe 428382 09-20-94 Flash bios upgrade for ValuePoint 2 v58
vp2fl62a.exe 428425 09-20-94 Flash bios upgrade for ValuePoint 2 v62
vp2fl65a.exe 428441 09-23-94 Flash BIOS update for ValuePoint 2 v65
vp2fl66a.exe 429333 10-26-94 Fix for Danish Language Problem
vp2upmem.exe 156672 04-13-94 Flash For 192K Upper Memory on VP2.
vp386svg.exe 866834 12-22-93 PS/VP 386 SVGA Drivers/Utilities
vp486svg.exe 339833 11-22-94 PS/VP 486 SVGA Drivers/utilities
vpclock.sys 3712 06-29-93 Old clock01.sys for 6384 VP/ OS2 2.00.1
vpp60fl4.exe 721307 09-20-94 Flash Bios update for P60/D;flicker
problems
vpp60fl6.exe 722824 09-20-94 Flash Bios update for P60/D v1.00.06
vppdiags.exe 352413 07-07-94 Diagnostics for 64XX ValuePoint
vppfl44a.exe 623043 09-20-94 Flash BIOS upgrade 64XX v44
vppfl53a.exe 428310 09-14-94 Flash BIOS upgrade 64XX v53
vppfl54a.exe 429233 12-22-94 Flash BIOS update 64xx v54
vppfl56a.exe 626543 09-20-94 Flash BIOS upgrade 64XX v56
vppfl58a.exe 627692 09-19-94 Flash BIOS upgrade 64XX v58
vppfl61a.exe 654404 12-10-94 Flash BIOS upgrade 64XX v61
vppfl63a.exe 683707 12-17-94 Flash BIOS update 64xx v63
vppfl64a.exe 684754 12-21-94 Flash BIOS update 64xx v64
vppfl65a.exe 683871 01-20-95 Flash BIOS update 64xx v65
vppnp10.exe 82452 03-08-95 64xx Plug & Play Utility
vpqna.zip 12967 03-13-93 ValuePoint Common Q&A Excellent Info!!
vpsidia2.exe 175302 01-05-94 Diagnostics Diskette for 6381SX/SI VP
v1.01
vpsidiag.exe 175302 06-03-94 Diagnostics diskette for 6381 VP v1.01
vpsifl39.exe 569061 09-20-94 Flash BIOS update for 6381 v39
vpsifl40.exe 568677 09-20-94 Flash BIOS update for 6381 v40
vpsifl42.exe 569147 09-20-94 Flash BIOS update for 6381 v42
vpwinbhf.exe 27390 01-12-95 WIN 32 bit disk access for > 527 meg IDE
HD
windr386.exe 753476 12-22-92 Windows 3.1 drivers for 386 PS/VP
windr486.exe 1132886 10-19-93 Windows driver for et4000 -vp1
winsmc.zip 6788 03-24-94 Fix - 6381 or P60/D serial port hangs-
Windows.
winwgsmc.zip 23162 06-09-94 Fix Problems in Windows for Workgroups
6381,
P60/D
zero_dma.zip 857 05-12-93 3rd party DMA Networking Card Fix
Moussa
Cheers
mous...@hotmail.com says...
> hi Bob
>
> In article <56d0b$48c10daa$4ad76274$76...@FUSE.NET>, no_...@nowhere.com
> says...
> > Hi Moussa !
> >
> > I guess I'm too dense to determine which of those files might be a reference
> > disk for the 6381 VP. The files I checked were not ref disks. If you get a
> > minute, can you tell which one is correct ?
> >
> > Thanks very much!
> >
> > bob
> >
> >
> >
> try vp1diags.exe else vp2diags.exe
>
> I should have some kinda file related to descriptions.
> let dig in more.
>
> Moussa
>
try vpsidiag.exe or vpsidia2.exe
Robert E. Watts
Thanks, I'll check it out. I really appreciate it.
Gotta unplug, lightning storm approaching. ( House once had a direct hit.
Unplug ever since. )
And, I gotta go to work. That REALLY cuts into the day.
I meant to make a comment on your classic post also, and forgot.
bob
Pete Rickard
>
> Hi Bob,
> Are you sure this one needs a ref disc?
> I don't have a listing for any VP refdiscs on my list.
> Thought it would be a F1 at power-on to access bios settings.
> I'm still looking through files just in case.
> Don't happen to know the file name??
> Best o luck,
> Pete.
>
>
> Pretty sure. It has that famous IBM graphic asking for a floppy disk to be
> inserted on start up now. Can't change the HDD option in BIOS.
> Aggravating. Stupid of me also.
>
>
With the HDD out of the list of start-up choices, it is asking for some
bootable media. With no inbuilt BASIC for it to default to, it will sit for
ever waiting for something to do, hence the prompt?
Fire up the VP, bang something bootable up it as what transpires!
Could even start displaying images of transfat plastic asian something
trinkets something ......OH, I forget the rest!
Pete.
Robert E. Watts
Well, this is about as embarrassing as it gets........
I was doing some testing on my VP for the ibm.classic newsgroup. Long story
short, the reason the computer would not allow me to "change" the IDE HDD,
is because the cable was pulled out of the IDE connector on the motherboard.
I'm sure Master Sgt. Knight will appreciate this:
Sir, NO EXCUSE SIR !
I had installed about 5 or more drives in an attempt to answer a question,
and I guess the connection on the motherboard had finally had enough of my
fiddling, and semi-pulled out.
Moussa's VP diag disk revealed that no HDD was attached. Using my best Bruce
Willis smirk, I decided to open both blind eyes, and cast my snickering know
it all look at the actual hardware.
Ahem ( as Don Peter would say ).
Let's just say, this was another in a long list of life's lessons.
Although I did find something else out because of this, which will actually
answer one of the main questions a poster had concerning this issue, I
should have known better.
Thanks for the help, and I will begin taking my dementia pills again. Or is
that anti-dementia ż
sttawbob
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Whizzbang Computers
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Tim Knight/CT
> Hi Pete, Moussa, and GANG !
>
> Well, this is about as embarrassing as it gets........
>
> I was doing some testing on my VP for the ibm.classic newsgroup. Long story
> short, the reason the computer would not allow me to "change" the IDE HDD,
> is because the cable was pulled out of the IDE connector on the motherboard.
>
> I'm sure Master Sgt. Knight will appreciate this:
>
> Sir, NO EXCUSE SIR !
>
> I had installed about 5 or more drives in an attempt to answer a question,
> and I guess the connection on the motherboard had finally had enough of my
> fiddling, and semi-pulled out.
>
> Moussa's VP diag disk revealed that no HDD was attached. Using my best Bruce
> Willis smirk, I decided to open both blind eyes, and cast my snickering know
> it all look at the actual hardware.
>
> Ahem ( as Don Peter would say ).
>
> Let's just say, this was another in a long list of life's lessons.
>
> Although I did find something else out because of this, which will actually
> answer one of the main questions a poster had concerning this issue, I
> should have known better.
>
> Thanks for the help, and I will begin taking my dementia pills again. Or is
>
> sttawbob
>
> --
> boBWatts®©
> EartH
> Watts Carburetion Service
> Whizzbang Computers
> Official collector of: transfat asian plastic junk trinkets !
Hi Bob......
When I first entered electronics school at Keesler AFB in Mississippi
a wondrous long time ago, the first thing they taught me about
troubleshooting was to look for the most obvious reason
first...........a lesson well-learned and disregarded about a zillion
times by me and many many others :-)
Also back in those days when Electronic Fundamentals was really
fundamental, they would say that if you can't find the problem, go to
the circuit breaker that keeps popping and hold it in tightly.....and
look for the smoking black wire! Fortunately some genius came along
and designed a breaker that wouldn't work that way.....or we would
have burned up a lot more airplanes that we did. (When I was
stationed at Ramstein, I personally set 3 airplanes on fire in the
short period of about 6 weeks......my commander was glad to see me
return to the States.)
Chalk it up to a brain fart.....they happen often in advancing
age.....
M/Sgt Knight (also known as CT)
Peter H. Wendt
> Thanks for the help, and I will begin taking my dementia pills again. Or is
> that anti-dementia ¿
Ahem ... Anti-dementia.
For dementia it suffices to drink half a bottle of vodka usually.
And Bob: take the *red* ones. Not the blue ones.
The blue ones will stiffen up things only ... which will make work more
complicated while sitting.
Maybe the idea of a "computer checklist" weren't too bad from a
particular age on ? I turned 48 recently and apart from forgetting names
for a number of years already I also forgot to plug back the power cord
just recently and wondered *for a fair amount of time* why the system
failed to turn on after a card swap ... serious signs folks !
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wrote:
> > Thanks for the help, and I will begin taking my dementia pills again. Or is
> > that anti-dementia ¿
>
> Ahem ... Anti-dementia.
> For dementia it suffices to drink half a bottle of vodka usually.
>
> And Bob: take the *red* ones. Not the blue ones.
> The blue ones will stiffen up things only ... which will make work more
> complicated while sitting.
Not necessarily...the red ones may have the same effect...
http://www.pharmaexpressrx.com/purchase/caverta.asp
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>>And Bob: take the *red* ones. Not the blue ones.
>>The blue ones will stiffen up things only ... which will make work more
>>complicated while sitting.
>
>
> Not necessarily...the red ones may have the same effect...
>
> http://www.pharmaexpressrx.com/purchase/caverta.asp
Ooof.
And I already wondered why I felt so ... hmmm ... funny.
Guess it is time to return to the usual diet of 3C.
(Computers, Cola and Cigarettes)
In two years, when I turn 50, I plan to -finally- stop smoking.
I've been on it for 35 years already and I think it is enough then.
Have financed that stupid government with my taxes way too much so far.
And there are more funny ways to kill oneself.
Like an overdose of these blue pills. (Or the red ones. Whatever.)
--
William R. Walsh
> Also back in those days when Electronic Fundamentals was
> really fundamental, they would say that if you can't find the
> problem, go to the circuit breaker that keeps popping and
> hold it in tightly.....and look for the smoking black wire!
Interestingly enough, this is mentioned as a possibility in the
sci.electronics.repair FAQ...for use only when you're particularly
desperate, of course.
William (been tempted a few times--haven't jumpered over a fusible
part yet!)
Jim Shorney
> Hi!
>
>> Also back in those days when Electronic Fundamentals was
>> really fundamental, they would say that if you can't find the
>> problem, go to the circuit breaker that keeps popping and
>> hold it in tightly.....and look for the smoking black wire!
>
> Interestingly enough, this is mentioned as a possibility in the
> sci.electronics.repair FAQ...for use only when you're particularly
> desperate, of course.
It is a valid troubleshooting technique, and one that I have used.
"Follow the smoke". When you have a high component count and a short
"somewhere", you can spend quite a bit of time disconnecting things to
try to find the short - unless you have access to a micro-Ohmmeter or a
current probe. Not cheap or common test instruments. A potentially more
destructive method than the "well calibrated finger" (WCF) technique,
but time is money, and you do what you have to do.
WCF can be risky too. I've suffered second degree burns at work to my
finger more than once from a PQFP Motorola 68000-series processor used
in one of the security cameras that I repair. These suckers can get that
hot when they are bad without blowing the system fuse or shutting down
the power supply. I have literally boiled water on them. After the third
or fourth time, I learned. Still, it's easy to forget in the heat of the
moment. So to speak.
-Jim
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Russ Blakeman
<msgtk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Bob......
>
>When I first entered electronics school at Keesler AFB in Mississippi
>a wondrous long time ago, the first thing they taught me about
>troubleshooting was to look for the most obvious reason
>first...........a lesson well-learned and disregarded about a zillion
>times by me and many many others :-)
>
>Also back in those days when Electronic Fundamentals was really
>fundamental, they would say that if you can't find the problem, go to
>the circuit breaker that keeps popping and hold it in tightly.....and
>look for the smoking black wire! Fortunately some genius came along
>and designed a breaker that wouldn't work that way.....or we would
>have burned up a lot more airplanes that we did. (When I was
>stationed at Ramstein, I personally set 3 airplanes on fire in the
>short period of about 6 weeks......my commander was glad to see me
>return to the States.)
>
>Chalk it up to a brain fart.....they happen often in advancing
>age.....
>
>M/Sgt Knight (also known as CT)
I taugt "EP" aka Electronics Principles at Chanute AFB in Rantoul from
85 to it's close in 93 along with my actual AFSC course in air
launched cruise missiles and it was still as basic/fundamental as it
could be at first, at least I taught my blocks in the old school
common sense fashion. When I was a newbie right out of Lackland in 77
I went to "Fundies" or Electronic Fundamentals at the now-closed Lowry
AFB in Denver and vacuum tubes to intergrated circuits to include
analog, digital and discrete were taught. Same thing though - do the
common sense thing first - use your eyes and also use the theory part
in your head to determine what it should be doing to figure out why
it's not doing it. Output to input troubleshooting basically.
I declined testing for E7 Master Sergeant as I was taking a voluntary
early out under TERA in 95 so I never made it to MSgt, only a TSgt or
what we nicknamed Testicle Sergeant E6. Works fine with me - I pay two
mortgages, utility bills, insurance and most of the groceries with the
retirement check. I run a business because sitting around would drive
me crazy especially after 20 yrs of USAF service and growing up in a
family that did a lot in a little time and everyone did everything -
no such thing as women's work or men's work. Were many a time my
sisters helped my dad in the garage and likewise my brother and I
helped mom. We all did our own laundry, everyone had a turn at dishes
and cooking. Maybe that's why Lackland was a breeze for me.
I know Tim is a little older than me (I'm turning 52 in Feb 09) so I
imagine he may remember 1505's and when all AF insignia hd silver
stars in the middle, who knows he may remember when they were
transitioning away from Army style chevrons (not a slam Tim, I would
love to have been in the Air Force when they broke away as a separate
branch).
Tim Knight/CT
Hi Russ......
My oldest brother enlisted in the USAF in 1949 so he was in the "Brown
Shoe Corp" and wore the old army-style chevrons. I came on board in
1951 and we had OD's for winter wear, but the new style stripes.
The transition from Army Air Corp to the United States Air Force was
great....primarily because we discovered that we were finally in a
civilized branch of the service :-)
CT (whose daughter was in the Army...go figure)
Jim Shorney
> I taugt "EP" aka Electronics Principles at Chanute AFB in Rantoul from
> 85 to it's close in 93 along with my actual AFSC course in air
> launched cruise missiles and it was still as basic/fundamental as it
> could be at first
Funny you should mention missiles. I found at a ham estate sale about a
month ago, nestled in a box of vintage radio books (many of which came
home with me also), a very interesting item. An Air Force manual, circa
1957: Guided Missile Fundamentals. In nice condition.
Actually, my son spotted it. That was just too cool not to bring home
with me. I was only slightly disappointed that it was not stamped
"CLASSIFIED".
Jim Shorney
> My oldest brother enlisted in the USAF in 1949 so he was in the "Brown
> Shoe Corp" and wore the old army-style chevrons. I came on board in
> 1951 and we had OD's for winter wear, but the new style stripes.
My dad served in the Air Corps in WW2. He was an aircraft mechanic,
hydraulics I believe. Served in both EU and Pacific theaters. He didn't
talk about it much - not at all that I recall. I can only imagine some
of the stuff he must have seen...
Russ Blakeman
someone found a copy of it at Chanute when we had to scrap a bunch of
Houndog missile test racks out in the old test cells at the back of
the base - it mysteriously disappeared but unfortunately not with me.
I miss the military in some ways, super glad I'm done with it in
others. Nice thing is VA just put an outpatient clinic half a mile
away - I'm already set to get routine dental work done free, by a
dentist that retired from local private practice now works for VA (to
think I used to pay him for services now he's paid by taxpayers).
Been out 13 yrs and havent been to a military quack since I retired
even with Ft Knox 40 miles east of me...go figger.
Jim Shorney
> We had a copy of that tech school training manual at Lowry in 76 and
> someone found a copy of it at Chanute when we had to scrap a bunch of
> Houndog missile test racks out in the old test cells at the back of
> the base - it mysteriously disappeared but unfortunately not with me.
I also picked up two (identical) RADAR manuals in like condition, but
the missile manual has a much higher cool factor. Talk about an unusual
coffee table book. I skimmed through it a little, but haven't had time
to sit down and peruse it thoroughly. I enjoy looking through vintage
books and tech manuals to see how things were done in the "old days".
Sometimes interesting ideas surface from a new perspective.
> I miss the military in some ways, super glad I'm done with it in
> others.
I never served in the military. My three older brothers were Navy, so I
get to hear some stories from them. I think I probably would not have
done well, I have problems with authority. I can't stand being told what
to do by some dumbass that doesn't know as much as I do... :)
Thanks, Russ. I do enjoy reading the stories, and I appreciate your service.
Russ Blakeman
<jsho...@inetnebr.com> wrote:
> I think I probably would not have
>done well, I have problems with authority. I can't stand being told what
>to do by some dumbass that doesn't know as much as I do... :)
No different than working in the corporate world and some clown that s
been employed 2 weeks but sat on his butt in college (paid for by you
and I or his parents) so he gets the management spot over you whose
been doing that job for 8 to 10 yrs. At least the militar has a
management training sytem (well until field promotions occur in combat
areas due to needs over skills).
Michael W. Ryder
You are joking of course. After getting busted in the National Guard I
decided to transfer to the Naval Reserve as I did not get along with my
new CO. When I went to him to have him sign the transfer papers he
marked 'Not Recommended for Reenlistment'. Of course the Naval Reserve
would not accept the transfer. His reasoning was because he had just
busted me he couldn't mark the 'Recommended for Reenlistment' box. It
took over an hour to convince him to correct the paper work. I kept
telling him that if I wasn't recommended for reenlistment then let me
out now, but that he wouldn't go for that.
As far as the needs over skills that was part of the reason I was
busted. I entered getting promised Electronic Test Equipment Repair
school only to be told it would take over a year for the school to be
available. The first class available was a TTY repair school so I took
that. I then transferred to Las Vegas and became the Captain's driver
as they had no need for my training. I was then briefly a tank loader
and then finally a Radioman. All without any further training.
UZnal
> > been employed 2 weeks but sat on his butt in college
Ah, just let the clown entertain you. Imagine, a circus without clowns...