9595- Willing tool of Capitalism

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Louis Ohland

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Well, been tweaking it pretty hard for a day or so- mostly
trying to pull data together...

Massive amounts yet- I have yet to pull the SCSI adapter info
together, or the SOD info, or the DMA controller info...

http://www.inwave.com/~ohlandl/index.html

I do have to go to work.... I'll get to more MCA trivia when I get
back from work...

Peter H. Wendt

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Hi Louis !

Interesting page. Is the type in the sub-headline freudianic ? Or
accidential ?
(Krrkx ... Aargh !) Guess you was a bit too fixed on "Captions" ...
hehehe.


Very friendly greetings from Peter in Germany
- Please respond to : peter...@aol.com -
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Carroll Bloyd

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Louis,

An excellent and, as expected, eccentric, compilation of data for true worshippers of the 9595. This should grant you some sort of poobah-hood.


Louis Ohland wrote in message <36234E30...@inwave.com>...

Robert E. Watts

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Hi Louis ! $ !

Well done site !

I thoroughly enjoyed it !

( It appears that you are trying to climb the MCA mountain, and become a
deity. I guess all us disciples will be left behind. )

bobwatts

Martin Adams

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Oct 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/14/98
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Louis,
My recent addition of a 9595-OPT to my collection has given me much
respect for these machines. It also nice to see that you can do something
serious too. Thanks also for the plug on the parts page. I still have the
note that came with your check posted on the wall, with the logo "PS/2- A
WAY OF LIFE, MICROCHANNEL IT'S NOT FOR GEEKY WIMPS!" I think this logo would
be a nice addition to your page.

Martin Adams

Astoria Data Service
P.O. Box 541
Astoria, OR 97103

PS/2 parts & systems

Pete Backhouse

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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Louis Ohland wrote in message <36234E30...@inwave.com>...

> Well, been tweaking it pretty hard for a day or so- mostly
> trying to pull data together...
>
> Massive amounts yet- I have yet to pull the SCSI adapter info
> together, or the SOD info, or the DMA controller info...

very cool page! more, more, more!!!....

p.

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Louis Ohland

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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> > Massive amounts yet- I have yet to pull the SCSI adapter info
> > together, or the SOD info, or the DMA controller info...
>
> very cool page! more, more, more!!!....

I burned out my mouse last night cutting and pasting... Still a
mess. For the wad of Peter Wendt reposts (edited for brevity) go
to http://www.inwave.com/~ohlandl/controller.html and you can
click on the controller type up at the top of the page.

Still got to stuff some adf links on those pages, but Peter's page
will do...

Pete Backhouse

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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Louis Ohland wrote:

> I burned out my mouse last night cutting and pasting... Still a
> mess. For the wad of Peter Wendt reposts (edited for brevity) go
> to http://www.inwave.com/~ohlandl/controller.html and you can
> click on the controller type up at the top of the page.

excellent. i'll have to get a home page sorted out soon.
not sure what ps/2 stuff i could put on it though that
isn't already covered somewhere now!

pete.

Peterwendt

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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Hi Pete !

>excellent. i'll have to get a home page sorted out soon.
>not sure what ps/2 stuff i could put on it though that
>isn't already covered somewhere now!

What about a Linux-on-a-MCA-PS/2 page for those which *do not* have another
Linux machine running to get the f###ing .GZ-files expanded to a proper boot
disk ?

I downloaded the stuff from somewhere else - and since I know exactly nothing
about Unices (=multiples of Unix) I got stuck already on the attempt to make a
floppy from the damned .GZ file someone left there. Why don't the f%&$#ers use
any familiar tool like DiskExpress or -maybe- IBMs EMTCOPY to create a
diskimage ?

(I had to dig out my CP/M-experiences to even change from one DIR to another
... why the hell am I *doing* that anyway ?)

For completeness: I have a 4-CD set SuSe 5.2 ... it *did* install on a
souped-up Mod. 70 with Kingston 486DX-33 and Adaptec AHA-1640 ... but it won't
boot ... so far for an idea. Just make it that way that even people can
understand it which have *not* studied information technology for several
years.
The Linux-pages I know have a base tenor of "we are all excentric and the best
anyway" and "you need to have studied Unix to be able to talk with us".
A bit too much self-loving for my taste. :-)

Very friendly greetings from Peter in Germany

http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm

Louis Ohland

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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>
> What about a Linux-on-a-MCA-PS/2 page for those which *do not* have another
> Linux machine running to get the f###ing .GZ-files expanded to a proper boot
> disk ?


I thought briefly about that, but since I do not use
Unix/Linux/AIX etc, I would REALLY be out to lunch...

The 95 is supposed to be one of the better supported MCA models...

John Johnson

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Oct 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/15/98
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In <19981015162541...@ngol03.aol.com> peter...@aol.com
(Peterwendt) writes:

>> excellent. i'll have to get a home page sorted out soon.
>> not sure what ps/2 stuff i could put on it though that
>> isn't already covered somewhere now!
>

> What about a Linux-on-a-MCA-PS/2 page for those which *do not*
> have another Linux machine running to get the f###ing .GZ-files
> expanded to a proper boot disk ?
>

> I downloaded the stuff from somewhere else - and since I know
> exactly nothing about Unices (=multiples of Unix) I got stuck
> already on the attempt to make a floppy from the damned .GZ file
> someone left there. Why don't the f%&$#ers use any familiar tool
> like DiskExpress or -maybe- IBMs EMTCOPY to create a diskimage ?

See if you can find "anything_ useful here:

<http://www.delorie.com/gnu>

> (I had to dig out my CP/M-experiences to even change from one DIR
> to another ... why the hell am I *doing* that anyway ?)
>
> For completeness: I have a 4-CD set SuSe 5.2 ... it *did* install
> on a souped-up Mod. 70 with Kingston 486DX-33 and Adaptec AHA-1640
> ... but it won't boot ... so far for an idea. Just make it that way
> that even people can understand it which have *not* studied
> information technology for several years.
>
> The Linux-pages I know have a base tenor of "we are all excentric
> and the best anyway" and "you need to have studied Unix to be able
> to talk with us". A bit too much self-loving for my taste. :-)

"What do you mean Unix isn't `User Friendly'?!?
Sure it is: it's just `picky' about its friends!"
--Patrick Larkin Jr <pla...@netcomi.com>

> Very friendly greetings from Peter in Germany
> http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm

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Peterwendt

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Oct 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/16/98
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Hi John !

>> The Linux-pages I know have a base tenor of "we are all excentric
>> and the best anyway" and "you need to have studied Unix to be able
>> to talk with us". A bit too much self-loving for my taste. :-)
>
> "What do you mean Unix isn't `User Friendly'?!?
> Sure it is: it's just `picky' about its friends!"
> --Patrick Larkin Jr <pla...@netcomi.com>

That's what I meant ... and that's the main reason I'd stayed with DOS mainly.
I could see the advantages of Linux - but it is a shitload of awkward handling.
Even with almost 20 years of experience you feel like a first-grade student
sitting at the computer for the first time. No wonder that GUI-stuff like the
mediocre Winblows made the race for the dumb end-users.

Now - whatsoever - it is of minor importance anyway. That Linux experimenting
runs at lowest priority at all. Had just been curious what the hell the guys
make such a noise about it ... still (really) doesn't understand the reason.
I've heared it would run even on 386SX - but I dislike making handstands in a
bucket only for getting a low-end machine back to work ...

c.

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Oct 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/16/98
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In message <19981015162541...@ngol03.aol.com>, peter...@aol.com
(Peterwendt) says Bad Things about MCA Linux:

> >excellent. i'll have to get a home page sorted out soon.
> >not sure what ps/2 stuff i could put on it though that
> >isn't already covered somewhere now!
>
> What about a Linux-on-a-MCA-PS/2 page for those which *do not* have another
> Linux machine running to get the f###ing .GZ-files expanded to a proper
boot
> disk ?

> I downloaded the stuff from somewhere else - and since I know exactly nothing
> about Unices (=multiples of Unix) I got stuck already on the attempt to
make a
> floppy from the damned .GZ file someone left there. Why don't the f%&$#ers
use
> any familiar tool like DiskExpress or -maybe- IBMs EMTCOPY to create a
> diskimage ?

I really do hate to say this, Peter, but you didn't read the instructions.

It's like this. First, I assume that the user intends on using Slackware.
Second, I assume that the user already has a Slackware distribution, which
includes
DOS versions of RAWRITE and GZIP. They're needed as part of the regular
Slackware install, the documentation for which you're also supposed to look
at
(something I mention quite prominently at the beginning of the
Slackware-MCA document).

I can't speak for any other distribution, including SuSE.

> For completeness: I have a 4-CD set SuSe 5.2 ... it *did* install on a
> souped-up Mod. 70 with Kingston 486DX-33 and Adaptec AHA-1640 ... but it
won't
> boot ... so far for an idea. Just make it that way that even people can
> understand it which have *not* studied information technology for several
> years.

Well, I have studied for a few years, and I've played with Unix for a few
more, and
I've written a good chunk of the MCA Linux documentation (and even some of
the code),
and I can't tell you why it's not working. There's a small army of problems
just within
IBM's standard models with Linux...mostly on PS/2 models I've never seen.
I can
help even less with souped up machines (although, for the record, Linux runs
on my
8595 with a Kingston TurboChip where Win95 and NT won't even boot...go figure).

> The Linux-pages I know have a base tenor of "we are all excentric and the
best
> anyway" and "you need to have studied Unix to be able to talk with us".
> A bit too much self-loving for my taste. :-)

At the time I started the web page, that _was_ the intent. Running Linux
on MCA
machines was, for someone who wasn't comfortable with OS internals, quite
difficult. If you didn't know what I was talking about, you were probably
better off
running away screaming...

Linux has evolved a lot since then, MCA machines run it _way_ better,
the content has evolved a fair bit, but I'll admit that the tone has remained
the
same. That's largely my fault...I tend to come accross that way when I write
technical docs. But then, I'm a hacker, not a writer. It's taken what,
2 years for
the Slackware-MCA document to get to the stage it has, and even then it still
assumes a lot. Like, for example, that everything will work as intended.

c.


Ian Cummings

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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>In article <705spi$h...@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, John Johnson
><txjo...@ix.netcom.com> writes

>> "What do you mean Unix isn't `User Friendly'?!?
>> Sure it is: it's just `picky' about its friends!"
>> --Patrick Larkin Jr <pla...@netcomi.com>

In article <19981016065309...@ngol01.aol.com>, Peterwendt
<peter...@aol.com> writes

>That's what I meant ... and that's the main reason I'd stayed with DOS mainly.
>I could see the advantages of Linux - but it is a shitload of awkward handling.

I agree 100 percent. I've a (sort of) working Caldera setup (thought it
might be a bit easier than the older Redhat I was using) on a "chop-
suey" Pentium here, but it's just soooo damned awkward doing things that
I don't even have to think about under Windoze or OS/2.

I've too many other things to do with my life to spend large portions of
it doing esoteric stuff like getting a Microsoft mouse to work properly,
or print correctly to an obscure printer such as a HP Laserjet <g>

>Even with almost 20 years of experience you feel like a first-grade student
>sitting at the computer for the first time. No wonder that GUI-stuff like the
>mediocre Winblows made the race for the dumb end-users.
>
>Now - whatsoever - it is of minor importance anyway. That Linux experimenting
>runs at lowest priority at all.

Yup, although I have got Bigbroot (talked about here recently) working
with no problems on a 9556 - that's erm, interesting !

>Had just been curious what the hell the guys
>make such a noise about it ... still (really) doesn't understand the reason.
>I've heared it would run even on 386SX - but I dislike making handstands in a
>bucket only for getting a low-end machine back to work ...

My 386 PS/2's have never been out of work, although I think they might
be were I forced to use Linux :)

reguards <g>,
--
Ian Cummings

Pete Backhouse

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Peterwendt wrote:
>
> Hi Pete !

>
> >excellent. i'll have to get a home page sorted out soon.
> >not sure what ps/2 stuff i could put on it though that
> >isn't already covered somewhere now!
>
> What about a Linux-on-a-MCA-PS/2 page for those which *do not* have another
> Linux machine running to get the f###ing .GZ-files expanded to a proper boot
> disk ?

sorry for the delay in posting... off work.

that would be a neat idea. the mca/linux page _is_ great, and
i would have got nowhere without it - so many thanks to
chris b. for that. the mca/linux discussion forum is also
a most excellent page. however...

i've used unix of varous forms for around 8 years i guess,
and it does take a little getting used to. a more simple
page containing the essential stuff and simple instructions
for the non-unix'er would be a good idea.

i'm just a bit gutted that all these people are setting
up ps/2 pages now and i'm going to be a bit lost as to
how i can add to them when i get mine set up! (soon...)

obviously i'm actually rather pleased that there are loads
more ps/2 pages now. i just wish that i could have been
quicker at getting one sorted out!

pete.

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9595 x5, 9585, 8595 x5, 9590, 9577, 9576i x4, 9557,
9556 x22, 8580-486, 8580, 8560, PS/2e, 700C, P70, L40sx

Louis Ohland

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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> i'm just a bit gutted that all these people are setting
> up ps/2 pages now and i'm going to be a bit lost as to
> how i can add to them when i get mine set up! (soon...)

There are so many flavors of microchannel machines and adapters
that it's ultimately impossible to fully cover it all. Look at
IBM.

So see what's up, and what is in your area of interest....


Trying to figure out "Layers" in Netscape...

Pete Backhouse

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98
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Louis Ohland wrote:
>
> > i'm just a bit gutted that all these people are setting
> > up ps/2 pages now and i'm going to be a bit lost as to
> > how i can add to them when i get mine set up! (soon...)
>
> There are so many flavors of microchannel machines and adapters
> that it's ultimately impossible to fully cover it all. Look at
> IBM.
>
> So see what's up, and what is in your area of interest....

yep. i'm sure i'll think of something ps/2 for my pages!

c.

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Oct 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/22/98
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Pete Backhouse <PBack...@inri.co.uk> said:
>
> i've used unix of varous forms for around 8 years i guess, and it does
take a little getting used to. a more simple page containing the essential
stuff and simple instructions for the non-unix'er would be a good idea.

I thought it already WAS simpler... Heck, it's been through about four or
five major revisions
now.

Well, another thing to add to my list for after my move...

c.


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