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***FRAUD WARNING***JAMES PARK AT HARVARD U. = RIPOFF***

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Jim Robbins

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Jan 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/7/96
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In article <30f0d193...@199.170.126.10>,
pe...@eznet.com (Pete Larson) wrote:
>Don't give this guy any oppurtunity or you'll likely get ripped off
>like I did. I've tried for 3 months to get delivery of the soundcard
I
>paid half down on or get my money back. I got a few promises but no
>card and no money and now no e-mail replies at all even when I told
>him I would do this posting. I will post an update if he makes it
>right. If he's ripped you off too, please contact me.
>
>Pete Larson
>pe...@eznet.com

If this person really is at Harvard and is using the Net for purposes
of fraud, you ought to get in touch with the person at the University
who is in charge of computer services and get Park's privileges
revoked. There are probably other administrative remedies Harvrad
would apply to such a person -- I can't see the University wanting to
be associated with interstate fraud, which is a Federal offense.


Pete Larson

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Jan 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/8/96
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Seth Jackson

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Jan 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/8/96
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pe...@eznet.com (Pete Larson) wrote:

>Don't give this guy any oppurtunity or you'll likely get ripped off
>like I did. I've tried for 3 months to get delivery of the soundcard I
>paid half down on or get my money back. I got a few promises but no

That's why you should never pay anything down, and you should always
purchase using a credit card.
--
Seth Jackson


Churchill

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Jan 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/8/96
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or COD. That way no one's at risk, no?

Chester (Chet) W. Hart

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Jan 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/8/96
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j...@tiac.net (Jim Robbins) wrote:

>In article <30f0d193...@199.170.126.10>,


> pe...@eznet.com (Pete Larson) wrote:
>>Don't give this guy any oppurtunity or you'll likely get ripped off
>>like I did. I've tried for 3 months to get delivery of the soundcard
>I
>>paid half down on or get my money back. I got a few promises but no

>>card and no money and now no e-mail replies at all even when I told
>>him I would do this posting. I will post an update if he makes it
>>right. If he's ripped you off too, please contact me.
>>
>>Pete Larson
>>pe...@eznet.com

>If this person really is at Harvard and is using the Net for purposes

>of fraud, you ought to get in touch with the person at the University
>who is in charge of computer services and get Park's privileges
>revoked. There are probably other administrative remedies Harvrad
>would apply to such a person -- I can't see the University wanting to
>be associated with interstate fraud, which is a Federal offense.

You can contact his account manager at "postmaster@HIS_EMAIL_DOMAIN".
His postmaster will then issue a warning to him to cease or have his
account removed. Further, since he is at a government supported
instatution he can be arrested by federal athorities for criminal
fraud. (in this case their is no minimum value requirements.)

***********************
| Chet Hart |
| cwh...@gate.net |
| Orlando, Florida, USA |
***********************


ann...@by.the.loser

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Jan 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/9/96
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Forget the fucking loser! He has already received his sound card. He has
wasted all our time reading his fucking complaint which he posted
immediately after he mail his check to the Harvard guy. What an asshole!

Ed Brown

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Jan 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/9/96
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In article <4cppvg$b...@marina.cinenet.net>, spe...@cinenet.net says...

|
|pe...@eznet.com (Pete Larson) wrote:
|
||Don't give this guy any oppurtunity or you'll likely get ripped off
||like I did. I've tried for 3 months to get delivery of the soundcard I
||paid half down on or get my money back. I got a few promises but no
|

|That's why you should never pay anything down, and you should always
|purchase using a credit card.
|--
| Seth Jackson
|


Oh, sure. That works fine when dealing with a business,
but not very many private parties accept VISA/MC. I know
I don't and I've been involved in dozens of net deals.
There are ways that help protect a person involved in
these deals but nothing is foolproof. Even people who
deal with a business sometimes get ripped off, so that's
no perfect guarantee either. It decreases the odds of
getting ripped off though.

-=- Ed

Lionel Issen

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Jan 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/9/96
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If you paid by credit card, call the credit card company and they
will cancel this charge. If you paid by mail, write the Postmaster at
the city and zip code where you sent the payment. Send full details of
the transaction.

In the past I have received a full refund from different merchants after
I complained to the local postmaster.


Edmond

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Jan 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/10/96
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Jeff Spencer <spe...@eai.com> wrote:

>Lionel Issen wrote:
>>
>> If you paid by credit card, call the credit card company and they
>> will cancel this charge.
>
>I think most cards require you to let the charge show up on your bill,
>then contest the charge...
>

Yes, it's called disputing. Unless you have advanced buyer protection (which
costs quite a bit of money to have), you can never just cancel it (that would
be obsurd).

--
Edmond Underwood
OCS
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http://www.rmii.com/~underwoe/bench32.html


Jeff Spencer

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Jan 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/10/96
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Lionel Issen wrote:
>
> If you paid by credit card, call the credit card company and they
> will cancel this charge.

I think most cards require you to let the charge show up on your bill,
then contest the charge...

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Timothy P. Kelley

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Jan 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/10/96
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On Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:24:25 GMT, dul...@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (Jason
Dulnev) wrote:


>Unfortunately, both parties can be easily ripped off using COD. The
>seller can send an empty box (or with some garbage) and the buyer has
>no way to inspect it before he gives the money.

Well, I always at least make a cursory inspection of the contents of a COD.
No problem there, and if the delivery guy won't wait, to hell with him.
Usually I have any COD stuff held for pickup, that way you have all the
time you want to inspect it.

>Buyer can pay with a bad check if you use USPS COD unless seller
>indicates "cash only."

Almost always, COD is cashier's check or money order for this very reason.


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Tim Kelley
tke...@ix.netcom.com

Jason Dulnev

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Jan 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/10/96
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Churchill <g...@aa.net> wrote:

>Seth Jackson wrote:
>>
>> pe...@eznet.com (Pete Larson) wrote:
>>
>> >Don't give this guy any oppurtunity or you'll likely get ripped off
>> >like I did. I've tried for 3 months to get delivery of the soundcard I
>> >paid half down on or get my money back. I got a few promises but no
>>
>> That's why you should never pay anything down, and you should always
>> purchase using a credit card.
>> --
>> Seth Jackson
>

>or COD. That way no one's at risk, no?

Unfortunately, both parties can be easily ripped off using COD. The


seller can send an empty box (or with some garbage) and the buyer has

no way to inspect it before he gives the money. Buyer can pay with a


bad check if you use USPS COD unless seller indicates "cash only."

Jason Dulnev
dul...@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu

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