ARGOSY - HD363N - Network Storage

[BobVal]

I have just purchased a Argosy - HD363N Network Storage Enclosure and
put in my Maxtor 200 gig drive.

This Enclosure connects to your router by RJ45 and allows adding
Network storage cheaply.

It supports Fat16, Fat32.

The problems I am having:

1) When the drive wakes up after being unsed for a while it does not
allways connect properly and needs to be restarted.

2) I copied all the files I needed to the drive and have just used
applications that READ only from the drive but do not write and now I
have files that are corrupted.

Is anyone using this Network Enclosure?
Are you having any of these problems?

Bob Valentino

[brady47]

Hey BobVal, I have one too and am not having any problems yet at all. I
have a couple of gigs of files on there, lots of pictures(they are
being indexed no problem by google's Picasa2) and I'm even serving
about 12 gigs of MP3s to my audiotron(the discovery of songs doesn't
work properly, but if you manually create a TOC it works fine).

I would tend to think that the waking up problem is probably DHCP
related. The device can act as HCP server and client I believe, so
check to see what you have enabled, or better yet just use static(that
is how I have mine).I am pretty sure this device uses smb to share
folders.

There is also a telnet server on the device. Use Putty if you are on
windows and use the same admin and password you configured through the
web interface to login. Quite a few commands available and you can
really configure the thing from the telnet line if you want to. Just
type help after you are logged in to get a complete command reference.

I love this device so far and am very interested in hacking around with
it, specifically understanding the OS. Here is a pic of the board in it
if you are interested(warning, pretty large picture)

http://www.bradandsasha.com/images/HD-363N_Board.jpg

Good Luck

[BobVal]

Brandy47:

I am not using the DHCP Server option
I was using the Automatic IP option will try Static IP

Thanks

BobVal

[rokitrik]

I have purchassed two of these units and am having the same issues
with both. I have tried several different hard disk drives in them
to see if perhaps it was a drive issue. Also when opening a file
from the drive and then trying to save it back, it tells me that I
can not save it back to the drive as there isa lready a file with
that name and it can not be over written. Attempting to do backups
to this deveice also gives me Windows write cache errors and stops
the backup.

[rokitrik]

Have been working with Argosy about the issue with the HD363N and have
received a firmware upgrade that has fixed the problem. I have
upgraded my firmware on all of my units and all are working fine.

If you are interested in the firmware I will gladly email it to you if
you contact me: ri...@cbaycomputers.com or ri...@jarenterprises.com

[jonnybb1]

Here is a good one for you, I cannot use WINXP-HOME with sp2 and all
the latest updates with this device. When I try to create a new
folder (right click add folder) in the shared directory (in Network
Nieghborhood) the window hangs and says UNABLE TO CREATE "New Folder"
THE FILE ALREADY EXISTS.

And all the files I did copy over are READ-ONLY.

The twist to all of this, is that the LINUX and MAC computers that are
using SMB hae no problems at all!!

[ukcobra]

I too have a couple of these devices and see some wierd lockups on my
main PC, and no issues on 2 others.

I also have some questions around the FTP server, as I cannot get that
to work. More on that when I solve the lockup issue.

What backup software is supposed to come with this, as the the specs
at pcmicrostore indiate it should have shipped with some.....

Rick, I have emailed you directly for the firmware file.

Regards

Mark

Runnig XP-Pro SP2 on all machines.
athlon XP2000 server - has lockups when accessig the device at the
directory level.
Toshiba Tecra Laptop - has no issues with the device
Shuttle SK43G - has no issues with the device

[ukcobra]

I have tried the new firmware, and tried to reformat the hard disk.
The reformat only took a few seconds, is this normal for a 250GB disk
?

I would expect a disk to be formatted in Fat32 to take much longer.
The drive was not formatted before use in the HD363N. It was a new
disk.

I look forward to any pointers.

Mark

[ukcobra]

Just a quick update, the firmware update has not solved my main server
from hanging when trying to view files located in the public
directory.

This box is going back unless I can get it working with the main
server !

Mark

[booq]

FWIW, I've been having similar issues with Argosy. In the process of
troubleshooting, I noticed that the IDE cable it shipped with was a
standard 40wire/40pin cable (i.e. ATA-33). I swapped out this cable
with an 80wire/40pin (ATA-66/100/133) cable and so-far, so good!
YMMV, of course, but something to try.

Argosy's HD-363 product page:
http://www.argosyusa.net/product.asp?product_name=HD363N

And new Firmware as of 25 Mar 2005 :)
http://www.argosyusa.net/driver/Argosy-NetHDD004-0317.zip

[donald_wong_oohay]

I just got one of these too and it seems to be working well so far,
except for one hiccup. Does anyone know if it's possible to enable
support for Unicode filenames? I can create files and folders with
Unicode filenames, but I cannot access the newly created file or
folder afterwards.

[ukcobra]

The device has stabilised since I have applied later firmware updates.
Has anyone managed to get any software application to use the drive ?

I am interested in un-attended backups for devices on the network,
rather than me keep ftp'ing stuff.

Mark

[booq]

> ukcobrawrote:

Hi Mark, I haven't done any of this yet, since I had some issues a
couple of days after I had posted above. I now believe that the
problems I had can be attributed to the 160GB Maxtor hard drive I was
trying to use. I switched to a 120GB Samsung and to a 200GB Western
Digital and haven't had *any* issues (knock on wood).

Depending upon which platform and software you're using, you should be
able to create a persistent connection to the Argosy which your backup
software could use. Alternatively some backup software (e.g.
Retrospect) will support backing up directly to FTP servers.

[rokitrik]

I am using this device as a mapped drive to my server and using Stomps
Backup MyPC Version 5 software to do scheduled backups nightly. Have
not had any issues with this since upgrading the unit to the latest
Firmware.

[BobVal]

Hello:

I have been having some problems with the Argosy Network Drive and I
think I figured out why.

The Argosy Network Drive uses FAT for it's file system, FAT uses a
FIXED Allocation Block size for files. I have a 200 gig drive in there
and for FAT to reference it all it MUST use 32K as the file allocation
size.

Now I have been trying to copy 11,128 files that take up 92 gig to this
drive. The drive I am copying from is using NTFS which uses variable
file allocation size.

The same amount of files copied to the Argosy Network Drive would
require 300+ gig. Because for each file the Argosy uses 32k. My
average file size is 8 - 10k but on the Windows XP NTFS, but on the
Argosy they will all be 32k. Using 3 times as much storage as needed.

I think I need to find a different solution that uses a variable
allocation size like NTFS used by windows XP, etc.

Bob Valentino

[Loc]

I'm new here. There's not too much resources on the web about this
device and the documentation is regrettable. This thread seems to be
the only resource I can find through google :lol:

I just got this and everything worked just fine. I was watching data
transfer speeds in Windows task manager and the fastest was around
50% of my 100mbps network for a cd ISO image. It was 30% for my
smaller random files I was backing up.

Is there something slowing my data transfer speed? When I transfer
files from one computer to another across the network I'm getting
about 85% readings.

I'm familar with *nix commands but this isn't quite the same. Is there
documentation on the commands used in this device?

[BZMAN]

As far as I know that you can call Argosyusa 626-338-2522 to get the
support on this enclsoure. Or email sup...@argosyusa.com.
If you need more of this, I found a cheaper place www.intldirect.com is
the cheapest!!!

[Loc]

Is there any way I can speed up read/write times to the enclosure?

[rokitrik]

The latest firmware has improved the performance of this device
considerably. This would be NetHDD004-0317. If you need this
firmware you can download it from our web site jarenterprises.com
or go to ArgosyUSA.com and find the HD-363N Product and view the
description which has a link for the current firmware. Do not go to
downloads or support on the Argosy site as you will not find this
there.

Hope this helps.

[Loc]

I already had the latest firmware. Just to make sure I flashed it
again and it still tops out at 25% in the task manager. Is this the
current limit fo the enclosure?

[quisoc]

First, I'm sorry for my english.
I'm trying the beta firmware.
I've benn trying other firmwares, and the only that permited working
fine was the 04-0317.
My HD comes with NETHD05-0607, and I have the problem of the
"desconection" from the net.
First I tried 04-0317 and it's work ok. Then, I'd tried SNAS05-0607
and I had the error again. I wanted to install other firmware, and
when I tried it I received a error message. I had to return to
factory configuration BUT the NAS firmware still here, only changed
the IP and the Administrator login and pass.
Finally I installed the beta fw and for now it's all ok.

[quisoc]

OH!! Beta fw worked fine UNTIL now. I received again the same message
error. I flashed the 04-... fw, and ofr now it's all ok.
I'm from Catalonia, in Europe. There is a possibility that the devices
aren't equal in USA than in Europe?

[winux]

I just looked at a review on Tom's Networking on the Iomega NAS 200d,
and it charted some comparisons on write speed amongst several other
NAS units. I noticed the Tritton unit (same as Argosy) comes in
third--and the Iomega and the second place charter (Synopsis, or
something like that--Canadian and Euro only, it seems), barely beat
out the Tritton/Argosy. I would like to say I thought a previous
review from Tom's shot down the performance on the unit, but it looks
like they re-tested. I am now very happy I got the cheapest and
fastest unit.

I can't wait until they make it faster, if possible!

Oh, I looked at their read chart, and they are pretty low still, but I
think write perfomance is more important--I am BACKING up files and
STORING files, and reading them is not a big thing for me all the
time.

[jliss]

:evil:

The product is immature. I've been debugging it for months and
unfortunately I purchased it from an technically challenged and
obnoxious ebay supplier. I flashed the beta firmware and noted that I
needed to format the disk for it to be used. But of course formatting
is not really formatting, perhaps just an initialization of the FAT ?
The firmware corrupts outlook pst files and times out after copying
many small files and before it times out the copies get real slow.
But more good news, the end user documentation leaves a lot to be
desired. I'd like to know what the telnet commands do and where they
were programmed (somewhere in China ? using what standards). I have a
linksys 54G network, about 5 active PC's and the drive is connected
directly to the router. Stay away from this product.

[ukcobra]

Using the latest firmware my device appears to behave itself, with a
250GB Maxtor 16M drive.

Using Beyond Compare does improve things, although I'd still like to
see what other softare people use successfully.

I have no timeouts copying files, or noticed any corruption.

[quisoc]

And what's firmware you use?

[mrmagoo]

Hi,

I`ve been following the comments here and was wondering how users are
finding the quality of the BETA firmware? Any issues worth noting?

I`m in the market for a low cost NAS box so that I can use it to
automatically backup my Win2K box which itself is being used to
backup my other PC`s on my home network. Because what I`m backing up
is so important, I would like to build in redundant backups with this
HD363N being one of two backup services.

[stefflow]

I was almost ready to throw in the towel on my HD363N+300GB Seagate
since connecting clients via 802.11g wireless is my only option.
Stock firmware, 04-0317 and 05-0607 versions all caused mid copy
stalls.

fixuser's beta firmware has stabilized
things so I'm writing a 3 GB video file now without a problem. Write
performance could be better. How are others measuring throughput?

Thanks for the firmware, [b:3e6d34fff6]fixuser [/b:3e6d34fff6].

Connected via Linksys WRT54G running Sveasoft Talisman 1.05.

[ukcobra]

I am using NetHDD005-0607 firmware.

[winux]

I just tried the beta firmware and all my wireless woes went away!

[Maximus1234]

Hi Guys!

Thank you all for a very informative thread (espacially fixuser)! I
bought my HD636N today and have read your thread here and I have
learnt a lot. Now I have two questions.

1. My device seem to have firmware version NetHDD005-0601, is this a
new version? On Argosy's website the download says NetHDD004-0317,
have they forgotten to update the download?

2. Where do I get the Beta fw? The link posted here doesn't work any
more.

/M

[winux]

Maximus:

Depending on which brand you have (Argosy or Tritton) depends on the
firmware you can get. Argosy seems slow, and Tritton seems fast. I
couldn't get the link to work either, so maybe they took it down or
moved it.

[Maximus1234]

I saw somewhere here in the thread that the fan didn't wind down and
stop when the drive went to sleep, I just wanted to tell you that
mine does.

/M
(The man who still can't find the Beta fw)

[fixuser]

I've been running the Tritton Beta since I first got it, and it still
has two issues.

1) Outlook
With the Beta, I can access Outlook's PST files, but as
jliss noted it does tend to corrupt them
... requiring repair with the Inbox Repair Tool. Funny thing, I can't
repair the PST file while it remains on the NAS, I have to copy it to
a PC, run the repair, and then put it back onto the NAS before it
will work with Outlook again.
Besides the file corruption issue, there is also a problem when the
connection to the NAS (as viewed from Outlook) appears to disconnect,
generating a system error (can be viewed in the Event Viewer). This
doesn't seem to cause the file corruption, as even with this error I
can continue working in Outlook at times.

2) Moving small directories.
I've tried lots of test cases with the Beta, moving, copying,
streaming files and directories. I have no problems expect when
copying directories from the NAS to a PC. It appears if a directory
having more than 23-24 files will cause the file transfer to lock up,
and eventually report that "The specified network name is no longer
available."
If I revert back to the 05-0607 firmware, I have no problem with these
directories.

[b:a23372dafb]winux[/b:a23372dafb],
You mention the type (Tritton, Argosy) of device will determine which
firmware you can use. I don't know that there is a limitation. I've
been able to flash all the firmwares we've gotten from both Tritton
and Argosy onto my NAS.

[b:a23372dafb]Maximus1234[/b:a23372dafb],
Welcome to the discussion. I'm curious about the Argosy 05-0601
firmware. They had sent me a Beta 05-0607 firmware back in the
middle of July which appeared VERY similar to the Tritton 05-0607
firmware release. Can you check if file times and dates are correct
(not rouned to the nearest minutes, and not 100 years added to files
before 2000) on your 05-0601 NAS?
I wasn't sure how long Tritton would leave the Beta firmware available
on the web, as they had also said they expected to release another
Beta soon ... say within a couple weeks (I'm waiting patiently).
But, if you want the 06 Beta, Private Message (PM) me and we can
setup an email transfer.

[b:a23372dafb]quisoc[/b:a23372dafb],
If you could telnet into your device (see notes I posted earlier in
this thread), and see what the 'sys' command tells you, we might be
able to see if the device you receieve in Europe is different from
those else where. The description of my device said: 000E Speed
125Mhz

Lastly, just a curious note about Argosy, every time I send them
updates on firmware issues, they always report back that they will
forward the issues onto their staff in Taiwan and keep me posted of
any new releases. However, the more I checked into Argosy's other
web sites: Argosy Taiwan,
Argosy Europe, I see no
mention of this product, or any support for it. The product only
seems to appear on the US web site. I'm not sure what this means,
just found it somewhat odd.

[microchip]

The Tritton beta is no longer available on their site(the link posted
by fixuser), but the downloads page still has the old firmware. Does
anybody know if they're releasing an update? I am definitely having
the wireless issues. Works fine wired, wireless I get disconnects to
the NAS but nothing else.

MC

[tommie]

I found this at Argosy:
http://www.argosyusa.net/driver/Argosy-NetHDD006-0804.zip
The version number is similar to the Tritton beta.

[Maximus1234]

There is no adding of years with my fw, but the truncating of seconds
still remain. I transfered a file stamped 1991-06-05 18:55:56 and it
ended up with the stamp 1991-06-05 18:55:00.

I tried a couple of other files as well with the same result.

I am curious about the new fw that popped up here, the
Argosy-NetHDD006-0804. Has anyone tried it?

[microchip]

> tommiewrote:

I found this at Argosy:
> http://www.argosyusa.net/driver/Argosy-NetHDD006-0804.zip
> The version number is similar to the Tritton beta.

Does upgrading to this firmware require you to reformat the drive like
some of the older firmwares?

[fixuser]

I've just finished testing the Argosy 06-0804 firmware for the last
hour. It appears very, very similar to the Tritton 06-0804 with one
improvement ... it appears to properly handle the file creation date.
A previous problem with the firmwares was that the file creation date
would change when being modified. Tritton had thought it was
corrected in their 06-0804 beta, but it was not. It appears the
Argosy version has been updated to no longer change the creation
date.

Otherwise, it appears to have all the other improvements the Tritton
06-0804 beta did. Those include:
1. Administrator name is updated on the Home Page when changed.
2. Passwords to Shared Folders now properly monitor for case
(upper,lower) when mapping a drive and when creating the password.
3. Files dated before 2000 no longer add 100 years when copied to the
NAS.
4. File times are no longer rounded to the minute, they show to the
second. NOTE: FAT32 file system only tracks file times to an even
number of seconds, 2 second intervals, so don't be surprised if you
see a file time of 33 seconds change to 32 or 34 seconds. Anyone
running backup software should allow for +/- 1 second variation.

However, this release from Argosy has the same issues I found with the
beta from Tritton, in that I still have the same issues using it with
Outlook, and when copying folders with more than 23-24 files from the
NAS to a PC, it locks up. This issue with the folders is a killer for
me ... makes it useless for sharing files across the network to other
machines.

Also, these two releases from Tritton and Argosy do not allow the FTP
port to be changed from 21. This was supposed to be an added feature
of the Tritton 5-0607 release. Argosy never formally released a
firmware with this feature.

microchip,
I've only formatted the drive once. I've moved back and forth between
all the firmwares and never been required to format the drive again,
so I can't say for certain, but if you have updated your device to
use the 5-0607 firmware, and formated the drive I doubt you'll have
to do it again. With the 5-0607, the default cluster size became 32
kB (prior to 5-0607 it was an option you could change, now no longer
an option). I believe all firmwares released after 5-0607 will use
the 32 kB cluster size, so there shouldn't be a reason for the drive
to be formatted again.

[dilettante]

Finally got my hands on a couple of the Argosy units recently, and I
think I'm beginning to see where some of the limitations come into
play.

SNAS05-0607 (Tritton) is the most recent firmware I've tried so far.

Simple file copying hasn't been bad, as long as there aren't multiple
sessions (simultaneous operations) going - even between the NAS box
and a single client PC. Things can crawl with two or more going
though.

Where performance really falls down seems to be random operations and
rapid short file creation/deletion. I haven't tried PST files yet,
but Jet ("Access") databases can really crawl, especially on query
operations against even a small database.

I haven't experienced data corruption, just some really sad
performance. Some of this can be moderated by keeping database
connections open throughout a session instead of using the generally
more scalable and reliable open-act-close technique. Some
significant performance (responsiveness) penalty is expected with the
latter technique of course... but this is ridiculous.

I attribute most of this to the tiny (or no) disk cache in the NAS box
along with an SMB implementation no better (or worse?) than SAMBA
offers. Basically these devices have to be viewed as "tape drives."

I'd thought people viewing these things as backup devices to be a bit
unsophisticated. The truth seems to be that this may be the only
real target application for these machines.

For comparison I took an old computer here that has a Celeron 400 and
128MB of RAM, and installed and patched up (as much as I can at this
point, support being what it is) Windows 95 OSR 2.1 as a dumb file
server of the type these units represent - share level passwords. I
stripped out (avoided installing) any protocols but TCP/IP and
Windows file/print sharing, and did a few disk cache tweaks but
nothing out of the ordinary.

To really be fair I probably ought to be using a 486 with 16 MB or
something... but realistically that's a doorstop today. Almost
nobody would bother running one, and a machine of the specs I'm
testing is a nearly free item today as a used computer goes.

Needless to say, the Win95 box runs rings around the Argosy/Tritton
box. None of the headaches with Jet either. Response is smooth and
fast, even with NetMeeting RDS running (as a remote-admin tool). It
would be trivial to connect a parallel printer and/or a couple of USB
printers, put in 3 hard drives and an optical drive, etc.

This is an old slimline Dell Optiplex, and runs cool and quiet -
though it is obviously more bulky than these tiny NAS devices.
Windows 95 or 98 are a bit pricier than a Linux/SMB combo for the
same hardware - but with none of the headaches or quirks.

I really wanted these things to work. I had high hopes. Right now I
am having my doubts though. I'll give that beta firmware a shot but
I suspect the real limitation is the hardware (RAM) available and the
resulting lack of disk cache.

[dilettante]

Trying the Argosy 06-0804 firmware now.

Still a little sluggish, but much better than prior firmware levels,
even using a lot of Jet I/O. Significantly improved usability.

I have to say they are doing something right now. I'll watch for file
corruption.

By the way, multiple simultaneous activities seem to operate more
smoothly as well (i.e. playing an MP3 from the NAS while performing
Jet operations on an MDB).

[mdp1969]

hI, I am trying to use a program called Allways Sync to keep
directories in Sync, its free and it works great! However, I bought
this thing and with the tritton 607 firmware it could never sync,
with the beta firmware, I now get these errors when trying to copy
files..... any ideas....

thanks

mattp

8/31/2005 11:38 PM, API call error, Network access is denied.
(80070041), Error when copying 'E:\libby\My Music\Sample Music.lnk'
to '\\Homenas\libsbackup\My Music\Sample Music.lnk' using
intermediate
'\\Homenas\libsbackup\_sync.app\temp\4016993C70D38F3D73941A6F89C74A8D.tmp'

[winux]

dilettante:

I believe comparing the NAS to a Windows 95 machine (or any computer)
can give a false comparison. I investigated the SOHO NAS units on the
market, and all have between 4 - 16MB memory with a 100Mhz to 175Mhz
MIPS processor. Plus, the Tritton/Argosy unit is the only one I found
that is not running a Linux kernal; everyone else (Linksys, Maxtor,
Buffalo, etc) are.

I looked at Tom's Hardware Guide, and they have a comparison chart of
the NAS units they tested. The Tritton/Argosy unit actually
outperformed their competition; the only NAS to be above them was for
a mid-size NAS for about $500+.

I think if speed is important here, then a SOHO NAS device is not the
best idea. I also think the SOHO NAS is a great choice for those who
either don't have the technical experience or money to spend on more
reliable backup solutions.

[b:5544d14702]mdp1969[/b:5544d14702]

I think it has something to do with the temp filename it is creating.
It looks like it is a long filename that FAT32 doesn't seem to like.

[winux]

I did a search for more Argosy products and I came up with a company
called Inoi (www.inoi.com). I called them and the same person from
Argosy lifts up the phone. They are the same! However, their website
offers no help for most of their products; maybe because they are
new. I wonder why an OEM such as Argosy would want to compete with
its own business....?

I like the Tritton people better, though, because they seem to help
out more. I hope this doesn't affect them in a big way. I called them
and talked to one of their product managers, asking them if they are
releasing any other NAS units in the future. They said yes, that they
have a couple more to fill the SOHO to midrange to server appliance
gaps. They weren't able to give specs on it, but he made it sound
like they want it to be faster and more feature rich than their
current NAS solution.

I wonder if the above Argosy -- Ioni thing is causing Tritton (and
maybe others?) to quickly find other solutions....?

Just more of what I found in my hunt for the perfect NAS....

I think the latest beta from Tritton (same as Argosy) makes the NAS
work pretty well. I love it for my needs, and until I find something
else, I'm staying with it!

[dilettante]

winux, I go along with pretty much all
you have said. The one thing I'd disagree with slightly is the
characterization of NAS in general as a backup solution. However you
may well be onto something, since that seems to be the application
most people have in mind when purchasing one. It may also be the
main use the vendors are targeting.

It is true that one can only expect so much from a small, inexpensive
device of this type. I was pleasantly surprised though to find that
the latest beta firmware I was able to try significantly improves the
performance of this device in non-backup applications.

As a matter of fact I'd like to see Tom's repeat their comparison
benchmarks with this latest firmware, perhaps once a regular release
version becomes available. I think even their reviewer will be
favorably impressed.

[Sifter]

I really wish they would fix the problem with the xbox browsing. I
cant browse subfolders within xbmc. Has anyone else experienced
this? I have 90 gig's of mp3's on this NAS, that cant be played
through XBMC. :(

Otherwise, the device has gotten better and better. Im running
Argosy's latest firmware.

[microchip]

> Sifterwrote:

I have the same problem.

MC

[foxtail]

HELP FTP!

How do I create an UPLOAD folder without giving a user general
ReadWrite permission on all the other folders that they can see. It
looks like RW/RO permission is set per user and not per user per
folder, but I may be missing something.

Thanks

[Kane81]

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=297019
Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over
a WAN link

This is why the pst files keep getting corrupted.

if you create a pst file on your local drive, then copy it to the
network drive. you will be able to open the remote pst file using
outlook. However the file keeps getting corrupted every now and then

[foxtail]

Kane81 your post's not directed at me, is it :) I have a different
problem with managing user access to FTP folders for WAN clients

[winux]

Foxtail:

When you create the users you have to assign them the folder you want
access to. You can create a folder called UPLOAD and then assign a
user to it with R/W.

Any other folder you give to him will also have R/W, so yes it does
not do a per folder permission.

[foxtail]

thanks winux, my fears confirmed :(

is next best giving each user two different logins, one RW and one RO
then assigning folders accordingly?

thanks

[jonas.astrom]

Hi guys!

I'm using the newest (?) firmware, but it doesn't seem to make any
difference.

1) The drive is EXTREMLY slow. Copy 3 Mbyte takes 30- 40 seconds,
sometimes more.

2) Every now and then it looses connection and I get the error "The

specified network name is no longer available"

When I went to the store where I bought the device, they did test run
it without problems. I can't understand this.

I'm running firmware NetHDD006-0804.

Do you guys have any clue?

Cheers,

Jonas

[hoogie69]

> mintcakewrote:
I'm using the HD363N with a Mac (with two Macs to be precise)

I just purchased this NAS for my home network (4 Macs running 10.3.4
and 10.4.2) and have been unable to even address the drive to
configure it. I have a LAN using a Belkin wired/wireless router w/
static IPs but when I tried w/ that setup, I couldn't see the drive.
I then did a direct connect but have also been unable to see it
either. Any suggestions? TIA

[winux]

hoogie69:

What kind of error are you getting when you try to configure the
unit?

When you connect it directly, don't forget to change your IP address
to 169.254.0.x because the unit defaults to 169.254.0.1.

[b:f1fd7e26e6]Jonas[/b:f1fd7e26e6]:

Are you running any anti-virus software? There is a known issue with
older Norton products. And is this on a wireless connection?

[lrmat]

i'm sorry for hijacking this thread but i have the bytecc nas and i
just can't seem to get my pc to see the drive, yet i can access the
web interface. if i use the run command " \\landisk" it will not see
the drive if i type "\\landisk\public" i task me for an id and
password but i can't log in (i've already used the admin as id and
admin as password and it doesn't work).

what am i doing wrong? obviously the drive is ther since i can access
the nas with the web browser. what am i doing wrong? any and all help
would be greatly appreciated.

[winux]

lrmat:

I think it best to start a new thread since the NAS units are
definitely different. I do bet, however, your NAS is not asking for
the admin interface password. Probably guest with no password would
work, but that's a question for bytecc.

[dilettante]

I'm not sure KB297019 answers the question with .pst files though.

Sure, it suggests this can be inefficient. Yes, it says they can
suffer corruption if the network fails or degrades. I'd go further
and suggest another problem is having the application or client
machine fail while the .pst is being updated - but that's a problem
even with a local .pst file.

This is an issue with any file over a LAN that is thrashed on a lot
though. The problems are very similar to those suffered by Jet
database users, perhaps without the extra source of problems
resulting from concurrent updates by multiple clients.

I'm having good luck with the late beta firmware and Jet databases but
I haven't had the time to try extensive operations on large ones yet,
or anything with a lot of concurrency. Right now mine are in the
500KB to 4MB range with 2 to 3 very low activity clients.

I may get around to trying some large .pst files too though that isn't
something I need myself. For local email I'm using a "shimserver"
concept. The mailstore is a Jet MDB, and users "connect" to it via a
local instance of a compact SMTP/POP3 server they fire up on their
workstation and then run their email client. The server accepts
client requests and hits the shared mailstore on the NAS device to
satisfy them. Mailstore backups are easy because even if users leave
the server running it only opens the MDB when performing a requested
action. Latency isn't bad except when the drive has timed out and
been put to sleep - and so far even this is acceptable. Heavier
testing will determine the ultimate viability of the concept though.

Since Microsoft explicitly states that .pst files over a network are
Bad Thing though, there may be little effort within Outlook to do its
updating with much recoverability. Jet on the other hand, despite its
limitations, was sold to customers to be used in this manner. Maybe
that's one reason I'm not seeing trouble yet.

[Maximus1234]

If someone come up with a solution to the "xbox media center"-problem
please let me know!

I get into the folders, but can't see the files.

/M

[eds]

> Maximus1234wrote:

This is a problem for a lot of us here. Not sure if it will ever be
solved and Tritton does not seem to care (according to GAPotter's
post) the NAS does not support XBMC.

[dilettante]

Another bug, NetHDD006-0804 beta version.

Reproduce the error:

Copy a good sized text file to the NAS device (19 K bytes in my
test).

Open with NotePad, etc.

Add a few lines in the middle of the file. Save, exit the editor.

Reopen the file, all is ok.

Delete those news lines, save, exit.

Reopen the file. Text at the end of the file appears "duplicated."

[b:02a8f4bac0]What's going on?[/b:02a8f4bac0]

I don't know for sure. It seems likely that NotePad saves over a file
by simply rewriting into the original file. If there is more to
write, the file gets extended. If there is less to write on "save"
then the new text is written and the file's EOF pointer is set.

This EOF pointer doesn't seem to be getting set right on the NAS
device.

[b:02a8f4bac0]Workaround[/b:02a8f4bac0]

Edit the file, "save as" some new name, close the editor. Then delete
the old file, rename the new open as the old one.

[b:02a8f4bac0]Theory[/b:02a8f4bac0]

This might be one source of the Outlook .pst file woes (among others)
people have been running into.

[b:02a8f4bac0]Status[/b:02a8f4bac0]

Reported to Argosy via email 10-Sep-2005.

[fixuser]

Irmat,
Welcome. Even though you have the LANDISK, I'd still encourage you to
post your questions here (at least as a starting point). As best I
can tell, the LANDISK is very similar to the Tritton and Argosy
products (as I discussed in an Aug. 4 post). If you could, next time
you open the device, could you look at the chips on the board and see
if one has the markings R2881, and post back here? I'd be very
curious.
After reading the manuals for the LANDISK, I noticed it has some
unique features though. As I understand it you must first make a
folder and then you have to tell the LANDISK to share it. Because
you can't get to the PUBLIC folder, why don't you try making another
folder under your control so you can set the sharing and password.
Also, I'd also so suggest trying to setup the FTP access and see if
you can get in that way too. Testing these two methods may help.
If you continue to have problems, instead of entering \\LANDISK\ you
could see if using the IP address directly helps \\169.254.0.1\.

[b:f1554a3066]Kane81,[/b:f1554a3066]
Thanks for the knowledge base reference ... in all my searching I
hadn't come across that one. While I understand what the article
suggests about the capabilities of Outlook, I do find storing the PST
files on another PC with file sharing works okay. I just run into the
corruption when I move the same files onto the NAS. So, I think in
the article is clarifying that Outlook was not intended for that
particular useage, but I agree with
[b:f1554a3066]dilettante[/b:f1554a3066] in that it may not be
efficient, but it appears it possible ... at least at my house. I've
run 40 MB and 300 MB PST files over our LAN from PC to PC and it
works. At times, there are some slow downs, but nothing that really
hinders usage. Again, thanks for the article reference.

[b:f1554a3066]dilettante,[/b:f1554a3066]
Interesting file corruption you captured. I can repeat it with a 29
kB text file running both Argosy's and Tritton's 06-0804 firmwares.
Odd thing though, if I use a different text editing tool (an older
program called Programmer's File Editor) I cannot reproduce the
problem. But, with Notepad ... every time! I've forwarded the
information onto Tritton as well.
I think (and hope) this is in good agreement with the Outlook PST file
corruption I've seen. Everytime I repair the PST file, the log
records that the end of file is not where it was expected, for
example:
!!End-of-file less than actual (read=2C18000, actual=2C14000).
However, this seems backwards from what you demonstrated with the text
file, where the file is longer, not shorter. Well, we'll just have to
see if they (Argosy, Tritton) can find the root cause ... it may fix
both. Thanks for the find.

[b:f1554a3066]FTP Port Number[/b:f1554a3066]
In the most recent firmwares, the use is supposed to be able to change
the FTP port number. I have not been able to change it from 21. Last
week, Argosy replied back an noted that you can change the FTP port
from 21 to anything between 1025-34463. I asked if this was by
design and if it would be changed to allow any port ... I haven't
heard back yet.

[Maximus1234]

Hi Guys!

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going!

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemented
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbox
to the device.

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then I
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would be
perfect to connect the NAS.

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk to
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillity
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy.

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it would
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS.

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS!

/M

[Maximus1234]

[Maximus1234]

[hoogie69]

> winuxwrote:

hoogie69:
>
> What kind of error are you getting when you try to configure the
unit?
>
> When you connect it directly, don't forget to change your IP address
to 169.254.0.x because the unit defaults to 169.254.0.1.
>
>

After changing the IP as indicated, I was able to access the unit.
Now, when I try to format the drive, I get the "General Error, see
manual" but nothing in the manual gives a hint as to how to rectify
the issue. I will check the earlier posts for suggestions but any
further hints would be appreciated. TIA

[fixuser]

Also, tonight I learned a bit more about the commands available on the
device if you TELNET into it. For many of the commands, if you type
'-h' after , it will show all the command options. I have tried a
few, like changing the IP address of the SNTP time server to one I
use regularly with the command:
sntpc server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.

Just some FYI for those that want to hack into the device further ...
have fun. Irmat, I'd be curious, if the
the LANDISK shows the same/similar commands if you telnet into it.
Just telnet to the IP of you landisk and the type 'help' to see a
list of the commands available.

[Kane81]

> fixuserwrote:
Irmat,
> [b]Kane81,[/b]

> I do find storing the PST files on another PC with file sharing
works okay. I just run into the corruption when I move the same
files onto the NAS. So, I think in the article is clarifying that
Outlook was not intended for that particular useage, but I agree with

[b]dilettante[/b] in that it may not be efficient, but it appears it

possible ... at least at my house. I've run 40 MB and 300 MB PST
files over our LAN from PC to PC and it works. At times, there are
some slow downs, but nothing that really hinders usage. Again,
thanks for the article reference.
>

I'm using a 300 meg Outlook pst file on my LanDisk, it works ok, but I
get a corruption every now and then (maybe once every 3 days) for no
reason. :( So I copy the file to my computer, repair it then move it
back onto the LanDisk and all works well. If I try and create my .pst
file on the LanDisk directly via mapped network drive, the pst is
automatically corrupt. the work around was to create it on the
computer and copy it to the LanDisk. Then you set outlook to read it
from the network drive.
I'm using Outlook 2003.

I'm guessing the corruption has to do with the SAMBA implementation,
because outlook is heavily accessing the file, somewhere SAMBA
miswrites something and causes the corruption. network sharing via
two computers using XP does not use SAMBA thus why the corruption
doesnt seem to happen in the example case you gave.

on another note, I'm using the argosy 804 firmware and still have
problems with the disk not waking. thus it becomes unavaliable
randomly. this can happen 4 times a day, i have to shut the NAS down
and restart, very annoying. I have a WD 200 Gig drive on Cable
Select. - I couldnt pick up the drive on master or slave. As for the
chip number, will have to post when I get home.

[Kane81]

hey does anyone know anything about the Netgear and Maxtor network
hard drive cases?

is it the same as argosy and triton?

[Kane81]

my chipset is

RDC
R2881

[fixuser]

Kane81,
If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.

In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow [b:9315e2343a]dilettante's[/b:9315e2343a] notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.

Lastly, as for the Netgear product (SC101), I've been watching for
this product since earlier this spring because pre-release notes on
Tom's Networking web site suggested it would have very fast data
transfer over ethernet (when compared to existing NAS units) and it
would be available in June. Well, I've watched for it all summer
and am just now I'm seeing it for sale at CDW and CircuitCity (in the
US). There is still no mention of the product on Netgear's US web
site, but their UK web site shows it as 'coming soon'. But, if you
dig deep enough, you can find the manual on the Netgear web site at:

Netgear Documentation . I'm going to wait and see what the
reviews have to say about its performance before I really consider it
... I don't have the time to debug to NAS units right now.

[winux]

The Netgear produc is up on the site. They just released it yesterday
(Sept 12). It's just the enclosure, selling for about $115, but
everyone is already backordered. Looking into it, they are
backordered for a couple of weeks.

The only thing I see it's main advantage thus far is it's ability to
mirror. It also uses something called "Z-SAN Technology." This sounds
a bit proprietary like the Ximeta where you have to have software
loaded on your computer to work. Also, it would make the Netgear
product not a 'real' NAS...?

Some drawbacks I read from the spec sheet on it:

1) It requires a DHCP Server; cannot set it to a static...?
2) No SAMBA implementation--means Linux and Mac users cannot use it.

They also have a very WRONG comparision chart on their site. It states
you cannot a)Have a single drive NAS appear as a drive letter in My
Computer (ummm, YES--Mapping!), b) Cannot hide private data from
others (Tritton unit has password protected shares) c)Stream video
and music simultaneously (I do this with Tritton unit) d) Requires
certain HD manufacturers for drives (no requirement with Tritton
unit) e)Does not include backup software (Tritton does).

Of course, after I just read the above statements, there is a very
small line that they compare it to the Maxtor, Iomega, Buffalo, and
Linksys only.

I couldn't find the manual on their site, nor any support for it yet.

I dunno, it sounds like a proprietary product to me, and not very
configurable. I will wait for reviews as well.

[Kane81]

> fixuserwrote:

Kane81,
> If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.
>

I dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy it
only has one LED which can switch from green to red.

>
> In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.

Which if you follow [b:382207a669]dilettante's[/b:382207a669] notes

from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.
>

thus SAMBA is not implemented properly

[eds]

> Kane81wrote:
[quote:2666574f87="fixuser"]Kane81,

> If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.
>
I dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy it
only has one LED which can switch from green to red.

>
> In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.

Which if you follow [b:2666574f87]dilettante's[/b:2666574f87] notes

from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.
>

thus SAMBA is not implemented properly[/quote:2666574f87]

Fixing this samba issue with new firmware could fix some of the xbmc
issues those of us with xboxes are having. :wink:

[fixuser]

Never mind my request for someone to verify the issue with moving
directories / multiple files from the NAS to a PC ... Tritton has
verified the issue and continuing to look into root cause.

Kane81,
When you said you were using a Landisk, I assumed you were referring
to either the Bytecc LANDISK (ME-850) or V-Gear LANDISK products.
These are products similar to the Tritton SimpleNAS and the Argosy
HD363N, but yet having slightly different features. And, both of
those LANDISK products have 5 LEDs on their front panel. If you
wish, you could revisit the information I posted about these products
earlier in this thread:
NAS
Listings. That's why I asked [b:c896f5b579]Irmat[/b:c896f5b579]
if he/she would report back on the hardware in the Bytecc LANDISK.
Hopefully, that explains the nature of my question about the firmware
and LEDs.

[Kane81]

Well my webpage for the NAS use to say LanDisk, It had no brand only a
model number which was HD363N, I then tracked it down to Argosy.

This NAS had no branding on it, on the box, or the instruction.

[dilettante]

> fixuserwrote:

Never mind my request for someone to verify the issue with moving
directories / multiple files from the NAS to a PC ... Tritton has
verified the issue and continuing to look into root cause.

Sorry, been offline a few days or I'd have tried it. Looks like
things are moving forward with this though, which is great.

BTW: Do we think that the Argosy/Tritton device uses SAMBA at all? It
looks like a completely different CIFS/SMB implementation. Perhaps
people are using "SAMBA" when they mean to say "SMB" instead?

I'm not trying to be anal-retentive here, just trying to keep things
straight for myself. The Tritton manual (PDF at their site)
does mention "Samba server" so perhaps
they are using source from Samba?

Oh well, doesn't matter a whole lot anyway.

More than you wanted to know:
http://samba.anu.edu.au/cifs/docs/what-is-smb.html

[fixuser]

For anyone interested, Tom's Networking reviewed the
LaCie
Ethernet Disk mini , and has performance comparisons including
the Tritton SimpleNAS ... which compares well.

I'm still curious to see reviews of two other devices, the Western
Digital NetCenter and Netgear SC101. Not that I'm expecteing I'll
replace my Tritton/Argosy unit with either of these, just curious to
see their capabilities.

[mferrigno]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fixuser wrote;
I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to test/verify an issue I'm
having with moving directories from the NAS to a PC. Tritton has
tried some test cases on their own, but is not able to reproduce my
reported issue. Thus, I have given them the step-by-step outline
below that is repeatable on my setup. Will someone be willing try
this with the Tritton 06-0804 firmware (or the Argosy firmware of the
save version, I found the same problem with both firmwares)?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Although I haven't tried to reproduce your specific issue. I've
encountered a similiar problem when trying to copy my MP3's off my
NAS onto my PC. After copying around a 1Gig of files, the transfer
hangs up. This is very irritating since I have a large mp3
collection on my NAS (approx 80gig). Also I'm performing this
operation over a wired network.
[/quote]

[Sifter]

Any progress or updates on new firmware from either Argosy or Tritton?

[Quest]

i got the V-GEAR Landisk and i have exactly the same issues with my
linux set-top-box as the guys that want to use it with xbmc.
i noticed that the cifs implementation is more like non existent, and
the normal smbfs implementation is very buggy.

v-gear told me they don't care about linux support as it is not
advertised.
the product with the current firmware totally sucks and i don't
recommend to buy it if you don't have it already. (specially if your
thinking about using it with linux)

someone who is native English speaking should contact the samba team
because they are either abusing the name "samba" for a product that
does not contain samba code, or they are violating the GPL because
they do not publish the source code.
best regards
Quest

[rdm362]

I have the HD 363N Argosy and have a problem using QuickBooks Pro 2004
where the working file is stored on the NAS. After a short period of
inactivity QuickBooks loses it's connection and I must abort
QuickBooks and reconnect. Never a problem reconnecting just a pain in
the rear to have to do 8-10 times a day. Quick books says that the
drive is losing it's connection for what appears a very short time
and then reconnecting but QuickBooks can not handle this disconnect.
I am running the latest Argosy fw 6-0804. NAS is connected to Linksys
10/100 switch and all pc's are hardwired to switch. I have the sleep
mode time on the NAS set to 0. HELP PLEASE !!! :cry:

[edavey]

Dear fellow network enthusiasts,

My setup - with the latest 0804 firmware was giving me problems in
Windows XP:

- the files becoming invisible
- delays in displaying files
- error messages saying that the path was not known or already being
accessed

I have been able to get rid of the gremlins by reverting to the
firmware NetHDD005-0607. I got the firmware from
http://www.jarenterprises.com/11501.html which a previous poster has
kindly made available.

Hope this helps!

ED

[fixuser]

I don't have any news regarding the next firmware release. Tritton
support assures me they are working on it though.

05-0607 vs. 06-0804
If you need reliable file dates and times, say for backup or file
syncing purposes, use 06-0804. If you need better file and
directory reliability, revert back to, or stay with, 05-0607.
I personally need the stable features of both firmware releases, so am
waiting for the next firmware.

[b:3ae61a3a5c]Syncing / Backup Program for Win XP[/b:3ae61a3a5c]
For those Win XP users that may be interested, Microsoft has a new
file syncing utility:
Sync
PowerToy. This may be helpful for those using the NAS as a back
up device. And, it's free.

[b:3ae61a3a5c]Tom's Networking Latest NAS review[/b:3ae61a3a5c]
Again, for those that may be interested, Tom's reviewed the
ADS
NAS. I've mentioned this NAS before when the Hawking NAS was
asked about. It appears to have a couple interesting features ...
such as a personal web server and it supports BitTorrent (which seems
like a neat idea to work into a NAS unit). Other than this, the
performance was terrible when comparted to Tritton units.

[b:3ae61a3a5c]Bytecc/VGear LANDISK vs. Argosy/Tritton
NAS[/b:3ae61a3a5c]
Ever since presenting information about the V-Gear LANDISK, I've been
curious to know if the Tritton/Argosy firmware would work in such a
device. Well, last week I received a most interesting private
message from someone that owns the Bytecc ME-850 LANDISK. He was
able to load the Argosy firmware into and the device continued to
work normally. In addition, the 5 lights on the LANDISK (verses the
1 light on the Argosy/Tritton) continued to work as they did before.

So, all these NAS units appear to all be the exact same thing. I'm
very, very curious who makes the original OEM unit. For those that
know, or remember, the 'To Tell the Truth' TV game show ... "Will the
real NAS please stand up!!"

[fixuser]

With nothing to do but wait for the next firmware, my curiousity got
the better of me this monring, and I tried to load the V-Gear LANDISK
019 firmware into my Argosy/Tritton NAS. The firmware was accepted
and loaded. But, after that the device no longer worked properly.

Upon a power up, the LED flashes like it usually does during the power
up sequence, but then the system shuts itself off. I've tried with
the hard drive connected and disconnected and have not been able to
get it to stay on

So, I just ordered a new NAS. So, now instead of waiting for the next
firmware, I'm also waiting for my brand new NAS unit ... two things to
look forward to!

Just FYI.

[microchip]

> fixuserwrote:

Sorry to hear you farged up your unit...

MC

[Kane81]

Man, these NAS/Argosy devices suck!

I just moved a whole heap of file from the NAS to my media center and
it for some stupid reason created a whole heap of junk folders like
s,!~, _0

now either I've been hacked or the stupid NAS firmware is still buggy
as all hell.

It also say that I dont have permission to delete some files.... I
copied them, but just cant delete them. I of course ran the scandisk
utility and it said there were no errors!

I'm getting rid of my NAS! and am going for a SimpleTech/Maxtor NAS.

I dont have the time to wait for them to fix the problem/firmware.
they should have tested it before they sold it.

They have at least USB ports and can act as a printserver or allow you
to expand your disk space by plugging a usb hdd in.

[NeuroPsyche]

I too have 2 of these HD363n network devices and installed 200 gig
Maxtor IDE drives in both of them.
I experienced weird latency/delays when moving/copying/deleting files
from Windows based Os's. Both in Windows XP pro and Windows 2000
Pro.

I went to the mfgs web site, found a firmware update that was newer
than what was already installed and flashed the network drive
devices.

After the flash, nothing changed. I still have these really long
latency delays when moving files. I originally got these for media
storage devices for movies and songs. I was running out of space on
my computers and wanted to off-load some of the files. I started out
moving entire drives onto the HD363N devices over the 100TX Ethernet.
The files, while moving, actually gained in time thru the windows file
moving window. The files actually did move, but, as I said, it first
started out saying that it would take something like 60 minutes, then
it kepted on increasing, 80, 90, 100, etc.
I also ran into problems when moving files that it came back and said
the network device no longer exists on the network.

I have these devices hard-ip'd. Statically address and assigned on
the network. No conflicts. No problems on the network.

But, these 'appliances' do have a network communications problem,
definitely apparent when moving large files possibly greater then
1gig.
Most of my movie files are around 800meg - 2 gig. Per file. My mp3
files are standard size around 2-4 meg. The problems are more
apparenet when moving entire drives/directories/files into the HD363N
that contain around 100 Gig...

So, I know what your talking about.
The HD363N does have some problems. Enough for me to take them off
the network and make them dust collectors :)

> BobValwrote:
I have just purchased a Argosy - HD363N Network Storage Enclosure
and
> put in my Maxtor 200 gig drive.
>
> This Enclosure connects to your router by RJ45 and allows adding
> Network storage cheaply.
>
> It supports Fat16, Fat32.
>
> The problems I am having:
>
> 1) When the drive wakes up after being unsed for a while it does
not
> allways connect properly and needs to be restarted.
>
> 2) I copied all the files I needed to the drive and have just used
> applications that READ only from the drive but do not write and now
I
> have files that are corrupted.
>
>
> Is anyone using this Network Enclosure?
> Are you having any of these problems?
>
> Bob Valentino

[sanman]

People, the HD363n was never meant to move large files and be a speed
demon on your 10/100 network - its meant to be used as a small backup
device or small storage device for personal desktops.

Really do most people have gigabyte size files on a desktop, are you
really going to use this device to edit or acess database files
directly - I wouldn't - try larger local hard drives that are raided
and shared.

If you want to access and move large files quickly you better go out
and spend some dollars on a Hatachi, EMC, or IBM San/Nas raid disk.
Oh! and you better have a hot host to go with it with fibre channel
interfaces and a gigabit network. And you still may not get the
performance because different file types transfer at different rates
- its a known fact in large SAN/NAS installations.

We have bought 3 of these units, over the last 4 months and am very
happy with the job it has done. They sit on our network and sync a
number of desktops and laptops daily without any problems. The job
we have asked them to do, it does.

Its a $80 solution! What did you expect, high performance!

Just my thoughts . . . thx :\

[dilettante]

I have no idea where people got the idea to use NAS devices for
"backup" myself. That's not normally the role one thinks of for a
file server.

Actually though, storing files and small file-based databases (Access,
SQLite, etc.) is precisely the target for these devices. The idea is
to have sharable or even multiuser files accessible to anyone in the
workgroup without leaving all of the desktops running all the time.
I assume that's where the cryptic "local... shared" comment comes
in.

There is a bug or two left, like the "set EOF" bug we uncovered a
while back. In general though my units are working fine, and the
performance is now (recent firmware) about where I'd expect it to be.
I haven't lost any data outside the limits set by the bugs I know
about.

Another fix or two and these will be very nice little file servers.
No, they'll never be giga-backup devices, but that isn't what NAS is
about anyway. If people are looking for backup they might consider
USB/Firewire cabinets instead. Those are probably a better fit -
though you sacrifice the multiuser capabilities offered by NAS.

[pinterested]

My first Bytecc 850 was DOA, and i now have a working model. Has
anyone tried to connect two IDE drives (at least one powered from an
external source)? I'm wondering if the Firmware supports two
devices...

[pinterested]

Guys - I have (for the moment) a Bytecc ME-850. The SYS command
reports:
TERM=ansi

login: admin
Password: ****************
LANDISK,Telnet Server [release 2.0]
ASIAMAJOR>sys
Host Name:LANDISK Firmware:LANDISK 019
Hardware Version : 0008 Speed 125Mhz
Firmware build date(YYYY/MM/DD): 2005/7/15
Timers: 11 In use, 13 free
Primary DNS x.x.x.xSecondary DNS y.y.y.y
System time: 2005/10/15 19:29:25 Time count 11397
log file C:\LOG.TXT, maximum length 0, log function on
Debug level 1
ASIAMAJOR>

[Kane81]

^^^
^^^^

the fact is the product is unreliable and buggy!

sure you wouldnt expect blistering speeds from the device, but I'm
sick of all this corruption happening! I'm not copying gigs of data,
just trying to run outlook pst file on it, and I always get a
corruption. also moving files for some unknown reason caused new
folders to randomly appear.

If the device cant handle transfering a 2 gig, then they should say
so! If the drive is Fat32, the the limit is 2 gig, so they should
have built it to handle that!

[ckl_88]

> Questwrote:

i got the V-GEAR Landisk and i have exactly the same issues with my
linux set-top-box as the guys that want to use it with xbmc.
> i noticed that the cifs implementation is more like non existent,
and the normal smbfs implementation is very buggy.
>
> v-gear told me they don't care about linux support as it is not
advertised.
> the product with the current firmware totally sucks and i don't
recommend to buy it if you don't have it already. (specially if your
thinking about using it with linux)
>

> Quest

I checked the v-gear site and although they said that they do not
support Linux, they have tried it with Samba V2.x. Current version is
3.0.20.x so if you downgrade, it might work.

BTW, what issues are you having with Linux? Is it the insane file
sizes or empty directories? Something else?

I'm running Linux and I can see all my files and write/read etc. when
used with the Bytecc ME-850 (same as v-gear product). Only problem is
the file sizes are insanely huge. I'm running the latest version of
SAMBA.

[david_levin]

There new (6-1013 - 10/25/05) firmware posted to the tritton web
site....

http://www.trittontechnologies.com/products/TRINSS001.htm
http://support.trittontechnologies.com/simplenas.html#Downloads

I'm about to load it up.
(Loaded: Note that my host & group names got reset after update.
And, the hostname had to be cut to 12 characters)

Here's the release notes:

Version 6-1013 (October 25, 2005)
* Daylight Savings Time adjustment added
Creation date is no longer modified when modifying the file
Share passwords were not case sensitive when logging into from
Windows
Seconds on timestamps are no longer ignored
Administrator name on "Home Page" was not updating new admin name
Files dates with year 19xx were changed to 20xx.
Filesizes over 4GB had wrong MD5 checksum in SMB and FTP copying
Folder names only accept English characters or numbers: 0-9 ,
A-Z , a-z , - , = , _
Improved transfer with wireless devices
Improved FTP file copy 'lost connection' problem
"Factory Defaults" button in user interface now correctly resets all
settings stored in flash.
TCP three-way handshaking packet lost issue resolved

[Kane81]

^
Just a small update... NOT.

Geez talk about big bugs. The issues that have been "fixed" could lead
to major data loss.

Just shows how this product is still in the beta stage.

[Dawn]

Argosy sent me this latest firmware update in response to a support
request I sent in concerning an unreported bug I have discovered.
This bug has persisted through all the firmware revisions I have
tested so far, and is still unresolved in this latest version.

Description:
Create 5 or more nested subFolders below the PUBLIC Folder, or any
other Root Folder:

Public
|_ A
|_ B
|_ C
|_ D
|_ E

Now place at least 12 files in the E Folder, or any Folder below it:

Public
|_ A
|_ B
|_ C
|_ D
|_ E
|_ File01
|_ File02
|_ File03
|_ File04
|_ File05
|_ File06
|_ File07
|_ File08
|_ File09
|_ File10
|_ File11
|_ File12

The files can be any type and size, including 0 Bytes.

Now attempt to delete the E Folder, or any Folder above it and, under
Windows2000, you will receive this message:

"Cannot remove the folder E: Cannot find the specified path. Make
sure you specify the correct path."

At this point, the E Folder is undeletable by any means except
resetting the Argosy device, either by power cycling or by using the
web interface to perform a soft reset. I'm surprised no one else has
reported this bug here since it seems to exist in all firmware
revisions. I have sent this description to Argosy Support and am
waiting for a reply.

[Dawn]

> Dawnwrote:

Argosy sent me this latest firmware update in response to a support
request I sent in concerning an unreported bug I have discovered.
This bug has persisted through all the firmware revisions I have
tested so far, and is still unresolved in this latest version.
>
> Description:
> Create 5 or more nested subFolders below the PUBLIC Folder, or any
other Root Folder:
>
> Public

> ..|_ A
> ........|_ B
> ..............|_ C
> ....................|_ D
> ..........................|_ E

>
> Now place at least 12 files in the E Folder, or any Folder below
it:
>
> Public

> ..|_ A
> ........|_ B
> ..............|_ C
> ....................|_ D
> .........................|_ E
> ................................|_ File01
> ................................|_ File02
> ................................|_ File03
> ................................|_ File04
> ................................|_ File05
> ................................|_ File06
> ................................|_ File07
> ................................|_ File08
> ................................|_ File09
> ................................|_ File10
> ................................|_ File11
> ................................|_ File12

[Odie Ferrous]

I simply cannot believe you are actually spending so much time on a
product that clearly is a pile of sh!t.

Get rid of it.

Get something decent.

Stop clogging up the newsgroup with drivel concerning what is nothing
more than a toy. And a bad one, at that.

Good grief.

If you're serious about your data, then do something serious about it -
don't get a pile of cr@p and expect it to perform.

Absolutely mindless. Give it up.

And take your posts to "alt.mindless.drivel" in future.

OD

[Kane81]

^
I suppose I keep hoping that the next firmware release will fix all
the problems.

^^^

if you get

" Cannot find the specified path. Make sure you specify the correct
path.""

try loggin onto the drive via ftp and deleting there.

That is how I managed to delete folders that couldnt be deleted.

just put in Internet Explorer address bar "ftp://theNameOfYourDrive"