RFD: comp.sys.intergraph
Nik Simpson
unmoderated group comp.sys.intergraph
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the subject of
creating an unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup, comp.sys.intergraph
RATIONALE: comp.sys.intergraph
Presently, there is an Intergraph group in the alt hierarchy,
alt.sys.intergraph is quite active with about 100 messages a week and
almost 500 subscribers to an email gateway. Having a group like this in the
alt hierarchy is a problem for several reasons:
1. Alt is often not distributed to commercial sites. Most
users of Intergraph products are in commercial organizations.
This restricts the potential audience quite significantly.
2. Alt groups seem to be considered fair game for any sort
of mindless SPAM. We've had ads for XXX rated Web sites,
white supremacists, pretty much every dumb moneymaking
scam under the sun etc. This lowers the signal/noise
ratio considerably particularly when people post
responses and flames to the article.
A second factor for considering this new newsgroup are the changes in
the USENET readership:
1. In the past there was so little traffic on alt.sys.intergraph
that it didn't matter a whole lot. The explosive growth of the
Internet has put many more Intergraph users online (the email
side of the gateway doubled in size this year (now almost 500))
2. Intergraph hardware and software products are showing up in
areas well outside the traditional Intergraph CAD domain,
products like Diskshare (NFS Server for NT) and the TDZ
Pentium based 3D workstations are used by many companies
who do not have CAD as such.
At present Intergraph specific questions show up in a scattered collection
of newsgroups. This means that people don't generally know where to go for
information about Intergraph products or to ask other users for help.
A single Intergraph newsgroup in the comp hierarchy would address all these
issues.
The next question is what should the group be called. Some have suggested
comp.cad.intergraph, I think this is a poor choice given the broad range of
hardware and software products offered by Intergraph. I think that
comp.sys.intergraph is the best place for this group as it could cover
any Intergraph related topic in much the same way other comp.sys groups
cater to specific vendors.
CHARTER: comp.sys.intergraph
As an unmoderated group, comp.sys.intergraph would be open to
topics where Intergraph products are the subject of discussion, this
would include:
1. Current and past Intergraph hardware platforms.
2. Intergraph CAD applications in the various fields such
as GIS,Mapping,Public Safety,Mechanical,Electronics,
Architecture etc.
3. Intergraph UNIX-NT interoperability tools such as PC-NFS
for NT and Diskshare for NT.
4. Intergraph 3D graphics accelerators.
5. Intergraph CLIX UNIX implementation
This is not intended to be an exhaustive list by any means,
basically anything related to any Intergraph product would be open for
discussion. On alt.sys.intergraph, commercial announcements and job posting
of interest to Intergraph users have always been considered acceptable, I
would see no reason to change this policy.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This message initiates a discussion period to consider the creation
of a comp.sys.intergraph newsgroup. Discussion will take place
on news.groups. If discussions are made in other newsgroups, they
should always be cross-posted to news.groups.
* This is not a call for votes. Please do not attempt to vote now.
A call for votes (CFV) will be issued approximately 4 weeks after
this RFD. When the CFV is posted, there will be instructions on
how to mail your votes to the independent vote-taker.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD is in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroups
Creation, and has been cross-posted to the following relevant
newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups news.groups, alt.sys.intergraph
comp.cad.microstation, comp.graphics.api.opengl,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc, comp.infosystems.gis,
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
Since this announcement will be posted in alt.sys.intergraph it will
automatically be forwarded to the Intergraph email gateway. The posting
is relevant even to email subscribers because:
1. Many email subscribers are from sites with no access to the
alt hierarchy.
2. Hopefully a comp group would get less trashy SPAM articles.
This would save all the email subscribers some time and, for
subscribers who pay by the byte for email, some money.
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| Nik Simpson Mail : ndsi...@ingr.com |
| Intergraph Computer Systems |
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Steve Bonine
unmoderated group comp.sys.intergraph
Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.intergraph Intergraph hardware and software products.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Nov 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Nik Simpson <ndsi...@ingr.com>
Votetaker: Steve Bonine <s...@ntrs.com>
RATIONALE: comp.sys.intergraph
CHARTER: comp.sys.intergraph
As an unmoderated group, comp.sys.intergraph would be open to
topics where Intergraph products are the subject of discussion, this
would include:
1. Current and past Intergraph hardware platforms.
2. Intergraph CAD applications in the various fields such
as GIS,Mapping,Public Safety,Mechanical,Electronics,
Architecture etc.
3. Intergraph UNIX-NT interoperability tools such as PC-NFS
for NT and Diskshare for NT.
4. Intergraph 3D graphics accelerators.
5. Intergraph CLIX UNIX implementation
6. Purely Microstation questions and questions about Microstation
on non-Intergraph hardware should be directed to
comp.cad.microstation.
This is not intended to be an exhaustive list by any means,
basically anything related to any Intergraph product would be open for
discussion. On alt.sys.intergraph, commercial announcements and job posting
of interest to Intergraph users have always been considered acceptable, I
would see no reason to change this policy.
comp.sys.intergraph will be gatewayed with the email list maintained at
in...@nik.b11.ingr.com
END CHARTER.
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THIS IS NOT A SECRET VOTE. Names, addresses, and votes will be published in
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The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons
who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested
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anonymous votes.
Steve Bonine
unmoderated group comp.sys.intergraph
RATIONALE: comp.sys.intergraph
CHARTER: comp.sys.intergraph
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
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comp.sys.intergraph Bounce List -
No need to revote
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ckgp!ka...@uunet.uu.net James Kanya
egr...@intch.co.za Etienne Greeff
har...@cliffy.eng.gtefsd.com Bob Harner
Steve Bonine
unmoderated group comp.sys.intergraph passes 237:21
There were 237 YES votes and 21 NO votes, for a total of 258 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 13 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
comp.sys.intergraph Intergraph hardware and software products.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Nov 1995.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
RATIONALE: comp.sys.intergraph
CHARTER: comp.sys.intergraph
END CHARTER.
comp.sys.intergraph Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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dc...@cftnet.com Dave Cell
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GE...@hh.dosli.govt.nz Geoff O'Malley
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G...@CORHCC1.HCC.COM Jerry Vaughn (GJ Vaughn)
gtfi...@ingr.com Glenn Fincher
HAB...@ci.sj.ca.us Habel, Gordon
hal...@oeonline.com Harold R. Goff
har...@cliffy.eng.gtefsd.com Bob Harner
ha...@ga.toyo-eng.co.jp Toshio Hayashi
hill_...@advmar.com Brian Hill
How...@dot.state.sd.us howard knippling
hpar...@ingr.com Armstrong, Hampton P
hun...@hunter.wiscon.ingr.com Don Hunter
HUTS...@SMTP.TAD.USACE.ARMY.MIL Steve Hutsell
ili...@151.130.8.11 Mark Taylor
iv...@stimpy.casto.ingr.com Ivan Vida
jan.bl...@middle.telia.se Blomberg Jan, Middle
ja...@ca6003.dot.state.mn.us Jan Carlson
japa...@ingr.com Paulette, Julie A
jape...@ingr.com Penchosky, John A
ja...@radar.demon.co.uk Jason B. Faultless
jbpa...@magna.com.au Nik Belajcic
jbr...@doink.edaal.ingr.com James B. Reed
jbtho...@mmm.com Joe Thompson Jr.
jch...@ingr.com Hall, Chandler (J C)
jco...@tx0.orn.usace.army.mil Jimmy M Comer
JDOW...@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Jim Dowling
jdsa...@kiwi.aussy.ingr.com James Sadler
jds...@ingr.com Stone, Jon D
j...@elk.miles.com<Joseph Joseph Perry
j...@se01.elk.miles.com Joseph Perry]
jfpr...@ingr.com Prince, John F
jgut...@wnet.gov.edmonton.ab.ca James Guthrie
jhe...@hfd-gw.hfdorp.ingr.com Jonathan Eales
jhel...@kcp.com John Hellmer
j...@rachel.nl.nuwc.navy.mil John Wiedenheft
jlfa...@ingr.com Larry Fabian
jmau...@tff52.ports.navy.mil Jenifer M. Austin
jmc...@intch.co.za Joe McLean
jmma...@alpes-net.fr J.M. Martin
jmul...@mailbox.syr.edu John K. Mulligan, Sr.
john....@mts.com John Sauer
jos...@cis.ohio-state.edu Sudish Joseph
j...@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
jrba...@moas.elan.af.mil Julio R. Barrios
JROB...@ATK.COM JIM ROBISON
jrpo...@switch.com Jim Porter
jth...@ingr.com Haney, Skip (Joseph T)
jvf...@bofs.aussy.ingr.com Finch, Jason
jwhe...@dugway-emh4.army.mil James H. Wheeler
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k...@is5.mdc.com Ken Williams
ken...@seafloor.com Thomas R Kennedy
kgar...@po5.pcmail.ingr.com Garstka, Katharine
kh...@mwk.com Manzur H Khan <kh...@mwk.com>
k...@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn
kjs...@ingr.com Kim J. Short
klka...@ingr.com Kent Karrer I vote YES on comp.sys.intergraph
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kuc...@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu John A. Kuchar
l...@tinman.dot.state.ks.us Lon Dunham
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le...@cs.unc.edu Jon Leech
LEM...@ccc.govt.nz Craig Lemon
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mal...@cast.uark.edu Malcolm Williamson
Mario.D...@att.com Mario D'Agostini
mark_...@colpal.com Mark Cooper
mar...@mts.se Martin Nisshagen
mat...@sun1plus.liebert.com Kim Mathias
ma...@isis.nl Matty Lakerveld
MA...@mndpo3.mnd.gov.sg NG MAX
may...@mwk.com Steve Maynard, x3769, KT2640
mbro...@zko.dec.com Michael Brodeur
mc...@lub550.ci.lubbock.tx.us David McGaughey
mco...@engr.latech.edu Mel Corley
mdsa...@acslink.net.au Manuel Dos Santos
mesc...@mail.hb.provi.de Marc Eschenhagen[D]
mick....@ati-unicam.co.uk Mick Flack
mmacd...@am.earthtech.com Micah MacDonald
mmu...@ix.netcom.com Monty Munro
mo...@geosun.ifp.uni-stuttgart.de Monika Sester
mor...@agdis01.newark.af.mil GS-12 Brad Morgan
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mpr...@sig101.scra.org Mark Price
mpro...@offo2.epa.ohio.gov Mike Proffitt
mpw...@philly.nekop.ingr.com Mike Walsh
m...@riker.usace.mil Mary Diel
MTEM...@swichtec.co.nz Mark Templeton
mwda...@uiuc.edu Michael W. Daniels
n...@fm.ds.boeing.com Martin Parrott
ndsi...@ingr.com Nik Simpson
n...@philabs.research.philips.com ned
nei...@se01.elk.miles.com Robert C. Neitzke
Nikolay...@Bentley.COM Nikolay G. Shulga
oli...@research.canon.oz.au Oliver Reddaway
Ollivie...@hsc.fr.net Ollivier Robert
pano...@jol.mobil.com Paul A. Nourie
pero...@ingr.com Robichaux, Paul E
Peter...@NSPower.NS.Ca Peter Lowes
pjsm...@ingr.com Smith, Peter J
podo...@mwk.com David Podowski ECSD x-4060
rab...@dub-gw.dubai.ingr.com Richard Baize
rams...@austin.sar.slb.com Christoph Ramshorn
rbis...@ingr.com Bischof jr, Ralph
re...@cs.UMD.EDU William C. Regli
rev...@ix.netcom.com Brian Gantt
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
Rickard.W...@lule.frontec.se Rickard Westerberg
rig4...@voicenet.com Johnnie
ri...@ip6480nl.ce.utexas.edu Tom Rioux
rjha...@meadhunt.com Bob Halpop
rmlo...@pelican.talon.net Rich Mlodoch
robert...@swec.com Robert E. Zaret
rob...@cpvax.cpses.tu.com Robert Eden
rose...@clipr.eng.pko.dec.com Michael Rosenblum
rre...@philly.nekop.ingr.com Bob Reber
rrj...@cc.umanitoba.ca R.G. Jamieson
ru...@strider.sps.mot.com Alan Ruff
ruf...@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J. Rufinus
rus...@decad1.kelly.af.mil Russell Weniger
s...@w0x0f.com Steve Fenwick
scott....@Bentley.COM Scott Bentley
s...@serv1.dot.state.ks.us Steve Pennie
sfle...@ingr.com Leinen, Sean F
sin...@cube.net Thomas Puetz
SSA...@bakereng.com Steve Salata
stri...@clkwrk.hv.boeing.com Stephen J. Stripling
su...@ingr.com Lee, Rick (Seung U)
sy...@ctscorp.com Timothy G. Edwards
szk...@gold.uni-miskolc.hu Laszlo Szokoli
tagi...@po5.pcmail.ingr.com Giguere, Thomas A
ted....@cdmg.uucp.netcom.com Ted Smith
TER...@ci.sj.ca.us Teraji, Stephen
the...@sig101.scra.org Tom Herman
TH...@hei.com Hong, Timothy
tjge...@nekop.nekop.ingr.com Tom Gergel
tjhi...@ingr.com T.J. Higgins
t...@jdt.com Terry Poot
tran...@ingr.com Anderson, Tim (Timothy R)
trh...@philly.nekop.ingr.com Tony rhaney
ts...@tsdw055.dot.ca.gov ts...@tsdw055.dot.ca.gov
tschw...@amoco.com Trudi Schweizer
us00...@interramp.com Kelly Uehling
vig...@islag.is Vigfus Erlendsson
vi...@j51.com Mike Vigorita
WA...@mid.org walter powell
wa...@gecinc.com Wayne Wilkerson
wgad...@philly.nekop.ingr.com Bill Adomanis
wire...@tiac.net Paul R. Dittrich
wjb...@Onramp.NET Wayne J. Baird
wla...@lapere.be Lapere W.
wolf...@powerup.com.au Wolfgang Thun
wr...@gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com Tim Wren
X92BR...@wmich.edu Sean T. Brown
yo...@sun70.iec.co.il Yoav Goldstick-IEC
Voted No
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af...@divsun.unige.ch Afzal Ballim
and...@babylon.riverside.ca.us Andrew Tristan
ch...@unicom.com Chip Rosenthal
csa...@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers
c_de...@iquest.net Christopher L. DeHoff
donk...@bravo.imagi.net Don Kiely
edm...@cs.ubc.ca Brian Edmonds
el...@attcadd.att.com Elly Hoinowski
Gwyn_...@mtits.co.uk Gwyn Evans
jan.coek...@ping.be Jan Coekelberghs
ji...@eecs.umich.edu Jim Jewett
j...@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
pa...@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
r...@cs.stanford.edu Russ Allbery
ry...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan
sh...@emanon.net Dan "Shag" Birchall
sma...@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
tan...@cu18.crl.aecl.ca Chris Tanner
tla...@email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson
wide...@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
Abstained
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arro...@blaze.cs.jhu.edu Ken Arromdee
m...@redbrick.com Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
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c...@WSDOT.WA.GOV Dave Bellinger
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compass...@compassnet.com
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dfja...@ingr.com Jacobs, Donald F
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edd...@ix.netcom.com
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kno...@mwk.com
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ro...@localhost.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Markus Heller
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tar...@extern.uio.no
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use...@IC.mankato.mn.us @ic.mankato.mn.us (Your Name)
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