Banned game?
Robert W. Igo
about this computer game that was either being banned or simply not carried
(probably the same thing) by many software stores due to its content and
possible racial overtones. Supposedly, it involved slavery on some level.
I didn't hear enough to know if the game just takes place in the antebellum
South or it's some kind of sick slave/master game. Has anyone heard anything
about this? Does anyone take offense to the game's content, whatever the
content is?
Curious,
[********************************* Bob Igo ********************************]
"Now let me explain why this makes intuitive sense." --Prof. Larry Wasserman
[***************************** gryp...@cmu.edu ***************************]
Rene Magritte
>I was just in our local Electronics Boutique and overheard a discussion
>about this computer game that was either being banned or simply not carried
>(probably the same thing) by many software stores due to its content and
>possible racial overtones. Supposedly, it involved slavery on some level.
>I didn't hear enough to know if the game just takes place in the antebellum
>South or it's some kind of sick slave/master game. Has anyone heard anything
>about this? Does anyone take offense to the game's content, whatever the
>content is?
I know of a game that some Israeli programmer wrote; it
involved Mr. Israeli Soldier (you) blowing away rock-throwing
Palistinians. Interestingly enough, Israel itself ended up banning
the game. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for them.
Ted Frank
> I know of a game that some Israeli programmer wrote; it
>involved Mr. Israeli Soldier (you) blowing away rock-throwing
>Palistinians. Interestingly enough, Israel itself ended up banning
>the game. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for them.
If Israel wanted to blow away rock-throwing Palestinians indiscriminately,
the death toll wouldn't be like the few-a-week it is now, it would be more
like the 10,000 civilians Syria killed in one city in a week during the
1980's. Take your bigotry outside of the comp.* and rec.* groups.
--
ted frank |
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu | "_Glamour_?!?"
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
Scott Thomas Yabiku
>re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>> I know of a game that some Israeli programmer wrote; it
>>involved Mr. Israeli Soldier (you) blowing away rock-throwing
>>Palistinians. Interestingly enough, Israel itself ended up banning
>>the game. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for them.
>
>If Israel wanted to blow away rock-throwing Palestinians indiscriminately,
>the death toll wouldn't be like the few-a-week it is now, it would be more
>like the 10,000 civilians Syria killed in one city in a week during the
>1980's. Take your bigotry outside of the comp.* and rec.* groups.
This is an example of the "this isn't really all that bad since there are
other people doing things much worse" kind of logic. This is a dangerous
way of thinking because a person loses touch with the reality of the
situation--comparisons whittle away its true significance.
The poster, Rene Magritte, is in no way a bigot. He has stated some facts:
1) An Israeli programmer made a game about killing Palestinians.
2) The game was banned by Israel.
Let me add a fact:
3) Israelis, in reality, are killing Palestinians.
Numbers 1 and 2 are probably correct, and number 3 is definitely correct.
Please tell me if any of these facts are false.
Upon facing these truths, however, Ted Frank resorts to insults and poor
rationalization logic. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for him,
too.
-scott
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No disclaimer. I represent the beliefs and opinions of the entire
University of Chicago community.
Ted Frank
>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>>> I know of a game that some Israeli programmer wrote; it
>>>involved Mr. Israeli Soldier (you) blowing away rock-throwing
>>>Palistinians. Interestingly enough, Israel itself ended up banning
>>>the game. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for them.
>>
>>If Israel wanted to blow away rock-throwing Palestinians indiscriminately,
>>the death toll wouldn't be like the few-a-week it is now, it would be more
>>like the 10,000 civilians Syria killed in one city in a week during the
>>1980's. Take your bigotry outside of the comp.* and rec.* groups.
>
>This is an example of the "this isn't really all that bad since there are
>other people doing things much worse" kind of logic.
No, it's an example of "Things are nowhere near as bad as you characterize."
The United States police kill as many blacks as Israel kills Palestinians,
even though the US black population, while admittedly larger, isn't engaged in
a civil war to attempt to destroy the government. But we as a society wouldn't
tolerate a game where a policeman tries to beat and kill as many blacks as
possible, any more than the Israeli government, which bans racism in its
political parties, would tolerate an analogous game about Palestinians.
>The poster, Rene Magritte, is in no way a bigot. He has stated some facts:
>1) An Israeli programmer made a game about killing Palestinians.
>2) The game was banned by Israel.
Of course, he gave no backing for any of these facts.
>Let me add a fact:
>3) Israelis, in reality, are killing Palestinians.
But not as sport. Israelis would be quite happy to never have to kill a
Palestinian for the rest of the history of the world, though, alas, the rest
of the world doesn't seem to want to live peacefully. The original poster
skewed the facts in a bigotted way.
Rene Magritte
>In article <1rt8c...@shelley.u.washington.edu> re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>> I know of a game that some Israeli programmer wrote; it
>>involved Mr. Israeli Soldier (you) blowing away rock-throwing
>>Palistinians. Interestingly enough, Israel itself ended up banning
>>the game. I guess the truth can be pretty annoying for them.
>If Israel wanted to blow away rock-throwing Palestinians indiscriminately,
>the death toll wouldn't be like the few-a-week it is now, it would be more
>like the 10,000 civilians Syria killed in one city in a week during the
>1980's.
Uh huh. Which is why, I suppose, Israel cluster-bombed
civilian sections of Lebenon in 1984 with bombs we gave them for
"defensive purposes". Even Reagan complained after three weeks or so
of dysentary and starvation on that end. Or Israeli soldiers stood around watching while
Christian extremists massacred 1000 Muslims in 1980. I'm not Arab,
and I'm not anti-semetic. If I am, I'm a pretty sick person, given
that I'm all but married to a jew. It's just hard for me to believe
that the Israelis can act as they do, given their own experience in
WWII.
Take your bigotry outside of the comp.* and rec.* groups.
A one-sentence editorial statement, nothing more; my message
was relevant to the thread. Yours, however, is not, and I'd encourage
you strongly to be careful about who you call bigot.
Keith Meng-Wei Loh
>I was just in our local Electronics Boutique and overheard a discussion
>about this computer game that was either being banned or simply not carried
>(probably the same thing) by many software stores due to its content and
>possible racial overtones. Supposedly, it involved slavery on some level.
>I didn't hear enough to know if the game just takes place in the antebellum
>South or it's some kind of sick slave/master game. Has anyone heard anything
>about this? Does anyone take offense to the game's content, whatever the
>content is?
I once had a game which was along the lines of the coin-op Narc. I forgot
what it was called, but you and your friend were robocop type killers and
you went around to New York, L.A., etc., and shot up Italians, 'Niggers',
'Fags', etc. etc. It was pretty clear because while you shot them up your
character would call out digitized slurs. What I wanted to know at the time
was why on earth would any programmer or games producer limit their market?
It was a pretty good game by itself. To do so was just stupid.
Rene Magritte
>In article <yabi.57....@ellis.uchicago.edu> ya...@ellis.uchicago.edu (Scott Thomas Yabiku) writes:
>>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>The poster, Rene Magritte, is in no way a bigot. He has stated some facts:
>>1) An Israeli programmer made a game about killing Palestinians.
>>2) The game was banned by Israel.
>Of course, he gave no backing for any of these facts.
Guy, look. I made a one paragraph statement about a game I
saw on CNN. I put my own impression of the game as it relates to
Israel and its disgusting policy of cultural attrition. I did not
intend nor am I interested in continuing the kind of editorializing I
exhibited in the last sentence. This is not a place for an extended
debate of Israeli policy.
>But not as sport. Israelis would be quite happy to never have to kill a
>Palestinian for the rest of the history of the world, though, alas, the rest
>of the world doesn't seem to want to live peacefully.
Uh huh. All they have to do is roll over, give up their land,
and not say a word. If this is so simple, why don't the Isrealis
take off?
The saddest thing about this is that it shows how being
intensely victimized (Nazis) will haunt a people for generations. In
the Israeli's case, their experience has made them so paranoid that
they will do anything to insure their survival, even if it means
becoming like those that trashed on them in the first place. I hope
for Israel's sake that they wake up at some point -- they can not
simply continue to arm themselves to the teeth and expect those that
would do anything to destroy them to stay away.
I rank on Israeli policy because I want to see Israel survive.
Peter Glen Berger
> In article <1rugvq...@shelley.u.washington.edu> re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (R\
> ene Magritte) writes:
> > Uh huh. Which is why, I suppose, Israel cluster-bombed
> >civilian sections of Lebenon in 1984 with bombs we gave them for
> >"defensive purposes".
>
> "civillian sections", shelling that would destroy a tenth of the Israeli
> agricultural yield each year, plus kill the occasional Israeli. But those
> people don't count because they're Jewish, right?
Ted, in my opinion you are a paranoid little twerp, and you seem to be
deliberately baiting others on these boards and involving them in a
discussion which has NOTHING to do with what these boards are about.
Tell you what, Ted ... Instead of telling others to take their
hallucinatory "bigotry and hatred" off of this newsgroup, why don't
you read netnews.news.newusers and learn that flames should be
confined to alt.flame.
> >If I am, I'm a pretty sick person, given
> >that I'm all but married to a jew.
>
> They can't be all that Jewish if they're rejecting their religion.
Tell me some more about bigotry and hatred, Ted. While I may disagree
with what Magritte is saying, he is confining himself to stating the
facts as he sees them, while you are responding with demagoguery and
personal attacks against him and those close to him. I guess its
reassuring to know that my fellow future attorneys aren't at risk of
reaching a higher ethical plane than previous generations have.
Please send all followups to alt.flame and remove rec.games.misc and
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games. Better yet, send your followups to /dev/null.
> ted frank |
> th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu | "_Glamour_?!?"
> the u of c law school |
> standard disclaimers |
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Nancy Rabinowitz
I know all of this stuff shouldn't be in this newsgroup, we've strayed
pretty far from the game, but let me add that although I don't thinki
the Israelis love killing Palestinians they are attacking them, and it
was the Palestinians land. Now, before you call me anti-semitic I am
Jewish, and therefore am not anti-semitic. Though I am anti-Israel, or
at least against their policies.
Mike
--
Mike Rabinowitz Internet address-...@hamilton.edu
CIS Address--70732,2072
Delphi Address--Darkknite
tjg...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
that you are a detective stuck on an island duking it out with a bad
guy who use women as slaves. It contains nudity (a low level 'R' rated
types).
-Zelpheri
William Bruvold
>
>No, it's an example of "Things are nowhere near as bad as you characterize."
>The United States police kill as many blacks as Israel kills Palestinians,
>even though the US black population, while admittedly larger, isn't engaged in
This probably should not be in this newgroup but Mr Frank is wrong
to use words like civil war or "destroy the government" in
discussing the conflict in the _OCCUPIED Territories_. If the
current government in Isreal would be willing to let all adult individuals
who are capable to
vote in elections within the _DEFACTO_ boundaries of the Isreali
state, a requirement for being called a democracy in my opinion,
then Mr. Frank would be correct. As the current government neither
is willing to
enfrachise the vast majority of individuals in the territories or to
allow these people to have the right to self determination it is not
a civil war or THEIR government, rather it is resitance to a FOREIGN
occupier.
Yamanari
I bet that if this were shareware the author would make a
lot more than he'll ever make in stores.
:-)
--
"Son, it's not what's written in the book at all, it's how you thump
the cover."
Ashraf Ghebranious
> The saddest thing about this is that it shows how being
>intensely victimized (Nazis) will haunt a people for generations. In
>the Israeli's case, their experience has made them so paranoid that
>they will do anything to insure their survival, even if it means
>becoming like those that trashed on them in the first place. I hope
>for Israel's sake that they wake up at some point -- they can not
>simply continue to arm themselves to the teeth and expect those that
>would do anything to destroy them to stay away.
>
>
> I rank on Israeli policy because I want to see Israel survive.
Mr Frank. There is some truth in what you say. During the 1930's and 40's,
the european jews did not believe what was going on around them and died on
mass because they were victimised and did very little (neither did the rest
of the world) to stop it.
However, when the current state of Israel resorts to using the same tactics
that was used against them during those dark years to their current
neighbours, then why don't they just adopt the swastika as their national
flag? Please don't use excuses like "because we were nearly wiped out as a
race, we can murder, kill and maim our neighbours in self defense".
Ash
**********************************************************************
"Jesus woman! I dont give a f___!" Rhett Butler (slighty paraphrased)
Ashraf Ghebranious axg...@cscgpo.anu.edu.au
Australian National University
**********************************************************************
Ted Frank
>However, when the current state of Israel resorts to using the same tactics
>that was used against them during those dark years to their current
>neighbours, then why don't they just adopt the swastika as their national
>flag?
There is *no* comparison between what the Nazis did and what the Israelis
are doing. Please inform yourself about either Nazi history, current
events in Israel, or both, before you make such offensive statements.
Leo Lim
Hey.... are you guys lost????? this is comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
this is not for jewish, nazis, or palestenians cultural discussions group.
Yet, I hated Nazis in WOLF3D. :-)
===Martin
Naomi Gayle Rivkis
>In article <1993May1.1...@midway.uchicago.edu> th...@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>No, it's an example of "Things are nowhere near as bad as you characterize."
>>The United States police kill as many blacks as Israel kills Palestinians,
>>even though the US black population, while admittedly larger, isn't engaged in
>>a civil war to attempt to destroy the government........
>
>
>This probably should not be in this newgroup but Mr Frank is wrong
>to use words like civil war or "destroy the government" in
>discussing the conflict in the _OCCUPIED Territories_.
(Re: the newsgroup -- followups set to talk.politics.mideast where this
belongs.)
This may make the term 'civil war' dubious, but it does nothing to the
phrase 'destroy the government'. An occupying government is still a govern-
ment, and the Palestinians have made it quite clear that their goal is
not simply to prevent it from occupying the territories that don't con-
fer citizenship (which is your own determination of the distinction) but
to wipe it out entirely (and, not incidentally, the entire Jewish population
it rules with it). This is an intent to 'destroy the government', no
matter where the government happens to be from.
>If the
>current government in Isreal would be willing to let all adult individuals
>who are capable to
>vote in elections within the _DEFACTO_ boundaries of the Isreali
>state, a requirement for being called a democracy in my opinion,
Wasn't a requirement for democracy in Athens. For that matter, isn't
a requirement for the term democracy in the United States, which doesn't
let non-citizens vote either. Both the United States and Israel have
processes whereby it is possible to acquire citizenship, with a great
deal of effort and a modicum of screening -- it's just that it isn't
automatic for living in the territories. It isn't automatic for living
in New York, either.
That said, suit yourself. Having never considered democracy the ultimate
in Good In This World, I could care less if you feel like calling Israel,
or America, or anywhere else, a democracy. Personally, I withhold the
term from Israel for the same reason I withhold it from Britain... the
parliamentary system is a serious handicap.
>then Mr. Frank would be correct. As the current government neither
>is willing to
>enfrachise the vast majority of individuals in the territories or to
>allow these people to have the right to self determination it is not
>a civil war or THEIR government, rather it is resitance to a FOREIGN
>occupier.
Again, suit yourself. In which case Israel is *not* attacking its own
people, it is fighting a war on foreign soil, in which case the residents
are entitled to play rough, yes -- but Israel's allowed to get just as
rough, within the bare limits of the rules of war. This includes, among
other things, the right to shoot or bomb *anyone* a national of the coun-
try in question who is fighting them (which permits mass frontal assault
on all rock-throwers), along with the right to take out any installation
of military importance (certain villages with too-good fortifications can
be handled by aerial bombing, as can waterways since they count as supply
lines to the enemy), and the right to do anything whatsoever to whatever
constitutes a government that they can lay hands on (if Hamas is trying
to set up as the ruling party, let them beware).
If this is not the scenario you want, I recommend you go back to calling
it a civil war. Civil wars have to be handled nicer. You cannot say the
Palestinians are a nation fighting a resistance war against a foreign
nation and still call Israel a government who is treating its own people
cruelly. If the Palestinians are fighting a war against a foreign country,
so is Israel, and the gloves come *off*.
-Naomi
--
Yes, it is bread we May the Source of peace
fight for, but we fight Naomi Rivkis in the heavens bring peace
for roses too. ri...@midway.uchicago.edu to us, and to all Israel.
Arthur Wouk
...
please note. rene magritte was the name of a famous painter,
associated with surrealism and other trends in modern painting in the
early part of the century. the likelihood that there is another rene
magritte around, and that this is not another incarnation of
carto/gannon/bcu-clowns is small.
so just put him in your kill files.
--
--
arthur wouk
internet: wo...@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Robert W. Igo
>In article <1rugvq...@shelley.u.washington.edu> re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>>civilian sections of Lebenon in 1984 with bombs we gave them for
>>"defensive purposes".
>
>"civillian sections", shelling that would destroy a tenth of the Israeli
>agricultural yield each year, plus kill the occasional Israeli. But those
>people don't count because they're Jewish, right?
>
>>that I'm all but married to a jew.
>
>ted frank |
>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu | "_Glamour_?!?"
>the u of c law school |
>standard disclaimers |
Please remove the bullshit from this newsgroup. Thank you.
[********************************* Bob Igo ********************************]
"Rebel against nonconformity!" --me
[***************************** gryp...@cmu.edu ***************************]
Danny Jordan
>I was just in our local Electronics Boutique and overheard a discussion
>about this computer game that was either being banned or simply not carried
>(probably the same thing) by many software stores due to its content and
>possible racial overtones. Supposedly, it involved slavery on some level.
>I didn't hear enough to know if the game just takes place in the antebellum
>South or it's some kind of sick slave/master game. Has anyone heard anything
>about this? Does anyone take offense to the game's content, whatever the
>content is?
Ahem, back to the original discussion. I saw this mentioned on CNN,
if I remember correctly the game centered around slaves on a
plantation and the goal was to raise enough money so to be able to
escape your way to freedom. Some black groups declared it a racist
game, the company pulled it from the shelves saying they had only the
best intentions in mind. Does anyone know who put the game out? I
wouldn't mind taking a look at it myself.
-Danny
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= "Swimming in the main stream = Danny Jordan
= Is such a lame dream" = djo...@loligo.cc.fsu.edu
= --Black Flag = Tex Avery is GOD!
=====================================================================
Rene Magritte
>please note. rene magritte was the name of a famous painter,
>associated with surrealism and other trends in modern painting in the
>early part of the century. the likelihood that there is another rene
>magritte around, and that this is not another incarnation of
>carto/gannon/bcu-clowns is small.
>so just put him in your kill files.
Rene Magritte was a Belgian surrealist who was prominant in
the _middle_ part of the twentieth century. His work differed from
the other surrealists in that for the most part, its impact was a
result of the unlikey or disturbing juxtaposition of everyday objects.
He died in 1968, I think.
Being an art major, it seemed an appropriate enough
pseudonym. I've never heard any requirement to use your actual name
on the internet, and I've never purported to REALLY be Mr. Magritte.
If I changed my name to George Bush, do you think that many
people would be mislead by this?
What's your point, anyway? Trying to insure that nobody
starts believing in reincarnation?
Arthur Wouk
agent provocateur. reincarnation had nothing to do with it, as mae
west was wont to say.
YAFF...@max.cc.uregina.ca
> th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>In article <1rugvq...@shelley.u.washington.edu> re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>>people don't count because they're Jewish, right?
>>
>>>If I am, I'm a pretty sick person, given
>>>that I'm all but married to a jew.
>>
>>They can't be all that Jewish if they're rejecting their religion.
>>--
>>
But this newsgroup is COMP.SYS.IBM.PC GAMES
CAN YOU GUYS SEE THIS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Please remove the bullshit from this newsgroup. Thank you.
No, capslock wasn't stuck,I was yelling, and i am sick and tired of seeing this
bs when there are 200+ legitemate messages a night to go through!!
+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
|David Anthony Yaffe | Smash Fascism, Freedom Is for Everyone |
| Yaff...@max.cc.uregina.ca | My Opinions are just that, Small delusions |
| | from a sick/twisted/warp/demented mind." |
+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
paul andrew braier
>
> Being an art major, it seemed an appropriate enough
>pseudonym. I've never heard any requirement to use your actual name
>on the internet, and I've never purported to REALLY be Mr. Magritte.
>
>starts believing in reincarnation?
The point is just that anybody who is willing to stand behind his or or
her comments will not resort to using a pseudonym. The use of a pseudonym
is a display of cowardice and shame.
So "Mr. Magritte", will you show some guts and put your _real_ name at
the bottom of your articles?
---------------------------
Paul A. Braier
bra...@batata.fg.huji.ac.il
pa...@quads.uchicago.edu
Jason Sebastian Bertschi
was Re: B.. by paul andrew braier@quads
> her comments will not resort to using a pseudonym. The use of a pseudonym
> is a display of cowardice and shame.
Its a sign of respect for the name you're using, like I respect "The
Phantom of the Opera", and this person respects the artist rene
margritte. Call me crazy, but I usually don't equate respect with shame
and cowardice. I always put my name in the article, but what difference
does that make? You can contact this person just as easily as if they
had used their real names. Why would you want to know my name is Jason
Bertschi, when all your probably going to do is reply to sender without
paying attention to the name. Besides, this person didn't even start
the flames, just simply stated facts about the game.
Jason Bertschi (The Phanatic of the Opera)
Phan...@cmu.edu
"The Phantom of the Opera is here, inside my mind"-Christine
"I'm not an actor, but I play one on T.V."-some idiot (Whoops!, I mean me!)
Robear
>no, just pointing out the likelihood of the user of the name being an
>agent provocateur. reincarnation had nothing to do with it, as mae
>west was wont to say.
He doesn't appear to be - he was quite polite and reasonable in email.
Anyway, the issue is dead here now, so we should probably drop this
too.
David Pipes
Rene Magritte
>> re...@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>>
>> Being an art major, it seemed an appropriate enough
>>pseudonym. I've never heard any requirement to use your actual name
>>on the internet, and I've never purported to REALLY be Mr. Magritte.
>>
>> What's your point, anyway? Trying to insure that nobody
>So "Mr. Magritte", will you show some guts and put your _real_ name at
>the bottom of your articles?
>
>Paul A. Braier
>bra...@batata.fg.huji.ac.il
>pa...@quads.uchicago.edu
As I posted some time back, it's time to stop shitting up the
newsgroups with this nonsense. I'll not play your game.
"Ken", if you must know.
Greg Kosinovsky
>In article <1993May1.1...@midway.uchicago.edu> th...@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>No, it's an example of "Things are nowhere near as bad as you characterize."
>>The United States police kill as many blacks as Israel kills Palestinians,
>>even though the US black population, while admittedly larger, isn't engaged in
>>a civil war to attempt to destroy the government........
>This probably should not be in this newgroup but Mr Frank is wrong
>to use words like civil war or "destroy the government" in
>discussing the conflict in the _OCCUPIED Territories_.
1) Mr.Frank made a point that policemen act to protect themselves regardless
of the political situation.
2) Before Mr. Bruvold protests so much the claim that those Palestinians are
fighting to overthrow the Israely Government, why doesn't he find out from
them if their struggle is only for the "occupied territories" or for the
entire state of Israel.
Greg K.
Stewart McKinnon
r> intensely victimized (Nazis) will haunt a people for generations. In
r> the Israeli's case, their experience has made them so paranoid that
r> they will do anything to insure their survival, even if it means
r> becoming like those that trashed on them in the first place. I hope
r> for Israel's sake that they wake up at some point -- they can not
r> simply continue to arm themselves to the teeth and expect those that
r> would do anything to destroy them to stay away.
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