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Jan Szkudliński

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:24:21 AM4/30/08
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Does anyone know whether this game has become abandonware?

I am immensly interested in a Napoleonic-era wargame on
operational-tactical level. Sadly, all the games seem to concentrate
either on strategic or tactical level only; I am not interested in a
game in which the campaign map is divided into "provinces". Wargamer:
Napoleon 1813 seems to be the only game which allows the player to
direct his armies on a campaign map and fight the battles on the
tactical level (In HPS campaigns the operational level seems to be only
sketchy.)

Regards,

Jan Szkudlinski

Andy Brown

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Apr 30, 2008, 5:12:11 AM4/30/08
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"Jan Szkudliński" <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote

> I am immensly interested in a Napoleonic-era wargame on
> operational-tactical level. Sadly, all the games seem to concentrate
> either on strategic or tactical level only; I am not interested in a game
> in which the campaign map is divided into "provinces". Wargamer: Napoleon
> 1813 seems to be the only game which allows the player to direct his
> armies on a campaign map and fight the battles on the tactical level

Have a look at this:

http://tpgames.free.fr/FoS/


eddys...@hotmail.com

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Apr 30, 2008, 7:50:01 AM4/30/08
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Have you considered Crown of Glory ?

At the strategic level it's "provinces", but the tactical level is hex-
based.

Game : http://www.matrixgames.com/game.asp?gid=306

Review : http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/crown_of_glory/

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Jan Szkudliński

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:39:16 AM4/30/08
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eddys...@hotmail.com pisze:

> Have you considered Crown of Glory ?
>
> At the strategic level it's "provinces", but the tactical level is hex-
> based.
>
> Game : http://www.matrixgames.com/game.asp?gid=306
>
> Review : http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/crown_of_glory/
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx

Thanks,

I have bought it, but did not like it. The scope is too big.

Napoleon 1813 seems to be sold out, and does not appear even on ebay.
The review on wargamer.com was almost enthusiastic:

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/napoleon1813_main.asp

Regards,

Jan Szkudlinski

Jan Szkudliński

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:40:22 AM4/30/08
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Andy Brown pisze:

Not exactly what I'm looking for, but still worth trying. Thank you for
this link.

Regards,

Jan Szkudlinski

MarkS

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Apr 30, 2008, 12:31:41 PM4/30/08
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"Jan Szkudliński" <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote in message
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Jan, check out this site: http://wargamer.sourceforge.net/

I've had this bookmarked forever, but it looks to be just what you're
looking for.

Regards, Mark


Jan Szkudliński

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Apr 30, 2008, 1:09:10 PM4/30/08
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MarkS pisze:

> Jan, check out this site: http://wargamer.sourceforge.net/
>
> I've had this bookmarked forever, but it looks to be just what you're
> looking for.
>
> Regards, Mark

Thank you. I have seen this site, but I am under the impression that I
still need the original game in order to play; am I wrong?

Regards,

Jan Szkudlinski

eddys...@hotmail.com

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Apr 30, 2008, 1:39:31 PM4/30/08
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On 30 apr, 19:09, Jan Szkudliński <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote:

> Thank you. I have seen this site, but I am under the impression that I
> still need the original game in order to play; am I wrong?

You could try to mail the original author - his email address is at
the bottom of the page

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx


MarkS

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:36:04 PM4/30/08
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"Jan Szkudliński" <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote in message
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Yeah, I don't know how that works. I have the game so I've never needed to
know for sure. But if the game is "open", it would make sense that
prospective programmers could obtain the code via this site to participate
in the project, right?

And as Eddy said, contact the designer linked there. I'm sure you'll get
somewhere with it if that whole deal isn't too stale.


Henius

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:51:32 PM4/30/08
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On 30 Apr., 09:24, Jan Szkudliński <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote:> Does anyone
Regards,> > Jan SzkudlinskiWargamer 1813 was one of those really sad
stories. Lots of potential but poor implementation.I bought the game
back when it was released, but it was so buggy that I couldn't even
get it to load... I later discovered that noone ever got it to run
properly. The publisher funded some patches, but no big improvements
to the buggyness, and after a while their patience dried out. After
yet another while a volunteer project emerged where a fan group tried
to help Greenius to finish the game to a more "realistical" level.
That ended with a heartbreaking statement from the lead fan saying
that he has lost faith that Greenius had the ability to ever fixing
the game, and he had to leave the project. I have seen a lot of
messages of closing projects. They are always a sorry read, but this
was by far the saddest. Then after yet more time the open project
started. Headed by Greenius, of cause.I lost track at that time, but
seen from the project page there doesn't seem to have happened a lot
since. But if you got the time, Greenius might take another round with
you.It really should have been called "Road to Moscow II"-Henius

Jan Szkudliński

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:08:38 PM4/30/08
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Henius pisze:

Jan SzkudlinskiWargamer 1813 was one of those really sad
> stories. Lots of potential but poor implementation.I bought the game
> back when it was released, but it was so buggy that I couldn't even
> get it to load... I later discovered that noone ever got it to run
> properly. The publisher funded some patches, but no big improvements
> to the buggyness, and after a while their patience dried out. After
> yet another while a volunteer project emerged where a fan group tried
> to help Greenius to finish the game to a more "realistical" level.
> That ended with a heartbreaking statement from the lead fan saying
> that he has lost faith that Greenius had the ability to ever fixing
> the game, and he had to leave the project. I have seen a lot of
> messages of closing projects. They are always a sorry read, but this
> was by far the saddest. Then after yet more time the open project
> started. Headed by Greenius, of cause.I lost track at that time, but
> seen from the project page there doesn't seem to have happened a lot
> since. But if you got the time, Greenius might take another round with
> you.It really should have been called "Road to Moscow II"-Henius

It seems that I will have to wait for a operational - tactical
Napoleonic wargame. Sadly, it seems that I will have to wait a long,
long time.

Thanks for all the answers!

Regards,

Jan Szkudlinski

eddys...@hotmail.com

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:26:00 PM4/30/08
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On 30 apr, 22:08, Jan Szkudliński <rhe...@go2.pl> wrote:

> It seems that I will have to wait for a operational - tactical
> Napoleonic wargame. Sadly, it seems that I will have to wait a long,
> long time.

Maybe you could take a look at Frank Hunter's next project called
Campaigns of La Grande Armée - it's strategic / operational but will
allow you to import/export the data to fight the individual battles
elsewhere - on the tabletop or in a boardgame.

Again not exactly what you want, but as a Nappy nut you might be
interested

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/m.asp?m=1453013&mpage=1&key=
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/m.asp?m=1637086&mpage=1&key=

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Big Salad

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:56:10 PM4/30/08
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From the README included with the sourceforge files:

At the moment only the Program C++ source code, and some of the graphics
required for the Resource File are included, thus it needs the original
CD to actually play the game. Enough is provided to compile all the
executables so as to upgrade the game.

The original game is still published by Empire Interactive, and they
have sole distribution rights on the original packaged product. Some
files on the original CD are copyrighted and may not be redistributed
without permission from the copyright holders.

It is intended that new scenario files and graphics will be produced
as part of the open source project, thus making a completely free version.

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