Where can I find COMBAT MISSION ISO or WAREZ?
Macroshaft
Kotov's site isn't working:
http://www.dkwarez.newmail.ru/Combat.Mission.Beyond.Overlord-DVN.htm
There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Toni Lassila
wrote:
>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>Kotov's site isn't working:
tailz
wrote:
Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
>please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
Sure... you can get a WORKING copy at
www.battlefront.com it's only $45 plus shipping and handling.
Oh, wait a minute... I guess since your trolling around here for warez
you musn't have been able to steal enough loose cash from your
mother's purse to PAY for... should spend more time looking for a job
instead I guess.
tailz
ps... oh yeah, consider yourself bullfucked... moron...
Travis Hamer
Macroshaft wrote in message <8j03l5$80n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>Kotov's site isn't working:
>
>
>There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
>please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
>
>
>Before you buy.
Jeff Jones
Marcus J. Maunula
Marcus
"MC" <mb...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:3953A3...@hotmail.com...
> Macroshaft wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
> > Kotov's site isn't working:
> >
> > http://www.dkwarez.newmail.ru/Combat.Mission.Beyond.Overlord-DVN.htm
> >
> > There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
> > messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
> > please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>
>
> Rofl ... you're a funny guy.
> I won't bullfuck you, you've just bullfucked yourself :)
>
> Rofl ....
>
Grackle
Toni Lassila wrote in message <39539875...@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>...
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:35:51 GMT, Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com>
>wrote:
>>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>>Kotov's site isn't working:
>
Allan Parent
> There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
> messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
> please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
>
Yeah, I will point you to a working copy......MINE. That would be the
one I actually purchased from the hard-working guys over at BTS. Gee,
what a bummer your warez copy doesn't work.
allan
Macroshaft
States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
I just want to play the game... it's such an attractive product and I
don't see myself getting my grubby hands on it! I won't (read: can't!)
burn copies or pass it on. However, I DO apologize for asking for warez
on a public discussion board. I'm sorry for that. After looking at
BTS's aims, I find it hard to believe such a company could exist. If I
drop by in the US soon, I'll definitely buy the game, if not just for
the manual and to help out such a great bunch.
Could you please get that 120mm canon out of my face now? :P
By the way, a casual search has revealed that are working warez copies
of CM out there. Unfortunately, even though Combat Mission is a great
game, I think BTS's boneheaded marketing strategy (let the game sell
itself?! WOAH!) will sink the product. Warez will, in my opinion, take
away not more than 3-5% of the sales, specifically because no one KNOWS
about the game. China will not burn copies (because it's such an
unknown product) and people will not buy it in pirated form.
If only they knew!
BTS, you need marketing weasels. Speaking as a foreigner in touch with
the gaming world, believe me, NO ONE outside the 'grognard gang' knows
about Combat Mission. It's really weird because you've got an excellent
product on your hands. I hope you realize that such a strong manifesto
can live side-by-side with sales outside a small but vocal group of
enthusiasts :)
Fionn Kelly
>States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>
>1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
>2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
That's why God invented cheques, credit transfers and money orders.
I believe that any and all of the above methods can be utilised to
purchase CM.
>I just want to play the game... it's such an attractive product and I
>don't see myself getting my grubby hands on it! I won't (read: can't!)
>burn copies or pass it on. However, I DO apologize for asking for warez
>on a public discussion board. I'm sorry for that. After looking at
>BTS's aims, I find it hard to believe such a company could exist. If I
>drop by in the US soon, I'll definitely buy the game, if not just for
>the manual and to help out such a great bunch.
Well, like I said, if you wish to purchase CM but don't have a credit
card then there ARE other ways to purchase it. IF you wish to pursue
this feel free to email me privately and I'll make sure you get the
right info.
>Could you please get that 120mm canon out of my face now? :P
No, not really. Sorry but I don't much like pirates of any sort.
>By the way, a casual search has revealed that are working warez copies
>of CM out there.
Indeed and because there are warez copies CM 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all
less likely to be released. Congragulations. People like you just
MIGHT kill off improvements to the CM engine and the Eastern Front
version etc. You should feel proud of your achievements in destroying
progress. (sarcastic as hell ? Yes. True? Yes )
Unfortunately, even though Combat Mission is a great
>game, I think BTS's boneheaded marketing strategy (let the game sell
>itself?! WOAH!) will sink the product. Warez will, in my opinion, take
>away not more than 3-5% of the sales, specifically because no one KNOWS
>about the game. China will not burn copies (because it's such an
>unknown product) and people will not buy it in pirated form.
Ah, and because people will ONLY steal maybe 5% of the profits or
whatever made from the game that makes stealing ok?
So, next time a guy steals a wheel from your car and tells you that it
amounts to less than 5% of the cost of the car you'll let him go cause
5% theft is ok?
>If only they knew!
>
>BTS, you need marketing weasels. Speaking as a foreigner in touch with
>the gaming world, believe me, NO ONE outside the 'grognard gang' knows
>about Combat Mission. It's really weird because you've got an excellent
>product on your hands. I hope you realize that such a strong manifesto
>can live side-by-side with sales outside a small but vocal group of
>enthusiasts :)
Indeed. It's a pity that people like you steal it instead of buying it
and then telling their friends about it.. And don't even TRY to tell
me that you'll d/l it and show it to ur friends who might buy it. If
YOU pirate it then so will they.
Like I said... If you WANT to buy CM you don't need a credit card. Let
me know if you really want to buy it or if you are nothing but a dirty
rotten pirate.
Unknown
wrote:
>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>Kotov's site isn't working:
>
>http://www.dkwarez.newmail.ru/Combat.Mission.Beyond.Overlord-DVN.htm
>
>There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
>messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
>please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Alt.Binaries.Games
Alt.Binaries.CD.Image
Alt.Binaries.CD.Image.Highspeed
Grackle
Boutique right outside your window. But why bother, when you've already
spent so much money on that cable modem to download those BIG warez files.
Macroshaft wrote in message <8j0klg$lc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Hear me out for there is a method to my madness. Look, if I was in the
>States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>
>1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
>2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
>
>I just want to play the game... it's such an attractive product and I
>don't see myself getting my grubby hands on it! I won't (read: can't!)
>burn copies or pass it on. However, I DO apologize for asking for warez
>on a public discussion board. I'm sorry for that. After looking at
>BTS's aims, I find it hard to believe such a company could exist. If I
>drop by in the US soon, I'll definitely buy the game, if not just for
>the manual and to help out such a great bunch.
>
>Could you please get that 120mm canon out of my face now? :P
>
>By the way, a casual search has revealed that are working warez copies
>of CM out there. Unfortunately, even though Combat Mission is a great
>game, I think BTS's boneheaded marketing strategy (let the game sell
>itself?! WOAH!) will sink the product. Warez will, in my opinion, take
>away not more than 3-5% of the sales, specifically because no one KNOWS
>about the game. China will not burn copies (because it's such an
>unknown product) and people will not buy it in pirated form.
>
>If only they knew!
>
>BTS, you need marketing weasels. Speaking as a foreigner in touch with
>the gaming world, believe me, NO ONE outside the 'grognard gang' knows
>about Combat Mission. It's really weird because you've got an excellent
>product on your hands. I hope you realize that such a strong manifesto
>can live side-by-side with sales outside a small but vocal group of
>enthusiasts :)
>
>
Rob
Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8j03l5$80n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
> Kotov's site isn't working:
http://www.freebox.com/colinzeal/pics/newass.jpg
Joe Shaw
> Hear me out for there is a method to my madness. Look, if I was in the
> States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>
> 1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
> 2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
>
They WILL accept other forms of payment, if you email them at
www.battlefront.com (see I even gave you the URL) they will be happy to
arrange a mutually convenient form of reimbursement for a very fine
wargame. Give it a shot and support what you agree is a great idea.
Joe
MC
>
> I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
> Kotov's site isn't working:
>
>
> There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
> messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
> please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
>
> Before you buy.
Rofl ... you're a funny guy.
Jeff Jones
> Hear me out for there is a method to my madness. Look, if I was in the
> States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>
> 1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
> 2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
Yeah? well here in the states we have an old saying for just that type of
situation ...
"Tough shit"
> I just want to play the game... it's such an attractive product and I
> don't see myself getting my grubby hands on it! I won't (read: can't!)
> burn copies or pass it on. However, I DO apologize for asking for warez
> on a public discussion board. I'm sorry for that.
Well, I stand corrected. I thought you were surely a troll, as I didn't
think anyone would have the balls to seriously ask for a warez copy of CM in
this newsgroup.
> BTS, you need marketing weasels. Speaking as a foreigner in touch with
> the gaming world, believe me, NO ONE outside the 'grognard gang' knows
> about Combat Mission.
They do now. Games Domain just gave it a Gold Review, rare and coveted.
GoneGold.com just gave a "Must Have" award. Those sites get tens of
thousands of hits a day. I'm by no means a grognard, and I not only found
out about it, but bought it.
> It's really weird because you've got an excellent
> product on your hands. I hope you realize that such a strong manifesto
> can live side-by-side with sales outside a small but vocal group of
> enthusiasts :)
Sheese, what an idiot.
Ken R
> >I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
> >Kotov's site isn't working:
>
http://www.cyberarmy.com/crash.shtml
http://www.angrymonkey.org/gth/
Alex
greenish
It really saddened me to see the game had already been ripped off.
Chris Talpas
I don't usually respond to these types of messages but I just want to add my
voice to all the others who are saying
FUCK OFF!!! you thieving piece of shit!
Do you enjoy getting paid when you work? Do you expect to get paid?
I assume the answer is yes. So why shouldn't Steve and Charles who worked
their asses off
for 2 years to bring this game to market get the same sort of treatment?
"Macroshaft" <gha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8j03l5$80n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
> Kotov's site isn't working:
>
Kraut
So, ummm ... you're too stupid to buy CM without a credit card, yet we're
supposed to believe your, o so wise, analysis of BTS's marketing strategy.
Here, i got somethin' for ya, dumbass ...
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
MK
Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8j0klg$lc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hear me out for there is a method to my madness. Look, if I was in the
> States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>
> 1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
> 2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
>
> I just want to play the game... it's such an attractive product and I
> don't see myself getting my grubby hands on it! I won't (read: can't!)
> burn copies or pass it on. However, I DO apologize for asking for warez
> on a public discussion board. I'm sorry for that. After looking at
> BTS's aims, I find it hard to believe such a company could exist. If I
> drop by in the US soon, I'll definitely buy the game, if not just for
> the manual and to help out such a great bunch.
>
> Could you please get that 120mm canon out of my face now? :P
>
> By the way, a casual search has revealed that are working warez copies
> of CM out there. Unfortunately, even though Combat Mission is a great
> game, I think BTS's boneheaded marketing strategy (let the game sell
> itself?! WOAH!) will sink the product. Warez will, in my opinion, take
> away not more than 3-5% of the sales, specifically because no one KNOWS
> about the game. China will not burn copies (because it's such an
> unknown product) and people will not buy it in pirated form.
>
> If only they knew!
>
> BTS, you need marketing weasels. Speaking as a foreigner in touch with
> the gaming world, believe me, NO ONE outside the 'grognard gang' knows
> about Combat Mission. It's really weird because you've got an excellent
> product on your hands. I hope you realize that such a strong manifesto
> can live side-by-side with sales outside a small but vocal group of
> enthusiasts :)
>
>
Macroshaft
against piracy. A cracked version of the 1.01 (?) patch is already out.
Sigh... you all have good intentions, but a better way to help BTS
would be to actually get the goddamn game into the market if you love
it so much. Flaming people one USENET (justified or not) will not help
BTS any ...
N...@nomail.net
spoke:
>I don't think so . . .
>
>It really saddened me to see the game had already been ripped off.
>
Remember Red Thunder? The developer went to anal lengths to copy
protect it and it was on warez almost immediately too. There is no
stoppping these guys so don't even bother trying because all the
publishers/developers do is cause aggro for legitimate consumers with
their copy protection schemes.
--
Nos
Fionn Kelly
shit...
Everything else is really just self-justification.
James Cobb
--
Jim Cobb
Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8j2dlk$qib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As much as game developers would like to, they simply can't win the war
> against piracy. A cracked version of the 1.01 (?) patch is already out.
> Sigh... you all have good intentions, but a better way to help BTS
> would be to actually get the goddamn game into the market if you love
> it so much. Flaming people one USENET (justified or not) will not help
> BTS any ...
>
>
Charlie
shelf space in retail stores like Best buy.Their target audience
has been well informed about the release for this game for many
months,ego their advertising costs are minimal.I disagree with
you also that only "grognards" are going to purchase this game.I
have a son(early 20's),who generally only plays games like "Half
Life" and other 3-D RTS games,that has found this game
intriguing.He plans to purchase the game and is now trying to
get his online gaming buddies to do the same.No,I think the
business model for this game is just fine.If this spreads to
guys like my son,It will really take off.Ordering over the
Internet is right up their alley.
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
http://www.keen.com
Macroshaft
next? Not everyone out there plays just Halflife (a great game in its
own right). Most people play a right mix of genres and that is the
target of most game developers now. Now, CM is targeting a NICHE
market. Even that they are doing without any ad campaign at all. What
I'm saying is that I don't think there will *be* a CM2. Yes, even if
you take into consideration a 'thief' like me who's waiting until he
can actually BUY the game and would like to play before that, CM is a
dead game.
Also, shouldn't the reviews be moving in by now? I remember when Panzer
General 2 came out. It was a media blitz. Now, this game is HEADS AND
SHOULDERS above that, but in COMPLETE SILENCE. The reviewers should
have had their copies at least two weeks before the release (that gives
them plently of time to review the game) so why don't we hear anything?
Look, even the warez sites are quiet on this one!
I don't know... I just have a bad feeling about this one. Looking Glass
folded up simply because they couldn't get sales for a game like System
Shock 2. Reason? It was too quite in the media. Like BTS, they had
'good intentions' but the road to hell ain't paved with brimstone now,
is it? I'm really excited by the sheer enthusiasm of this game's
developers, but their 'Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven'
attide turns me off. I'd hate to see Close Combat XXXIIV or Tomb Raider
491 beat CM.
Lets wait and see.
And Fionn..
Sigh...
I've never seen anyone so excited about a GAME before. I'm
impressed ,mate. Cheers!
tailz
wrote:
>As much as game developers would like to, they simply can't win the war
>against piracy. A cracked version of the 1.01 (?) patch is already out.
>Sigh... you all have good intentions, but a better way to help BTS
>would be to actually get the goddamn game into the market if you love
>it so much. Flaming people one USENET (justified or not) will not help
>BTS any ...
>
>
If you know about the game and have the demo, it's made it to the
market idiot.... YOU... but like a punk in a dimestore it's easier
for you to steal the candybars and read the magazines on the shelf
than buy what you want. And, if you had any clue about the realities
of marketing and retailing, you wouldn't be so oblivious to the fact
that 'net merchandising of all sorts is forecast to be a trillion
dollar economy, globally.
As for the flames, if you are so totally clueless as to come to this
forum to whine for a freebie, then I suggest you put your computer
back in the box, take it back to the store you bought it and give it
back to clerk, telling him you'd like a refund because you're too damn
stupid to be allowed to have one.
And, as mentioned before, it just feels good. Why should the guys in
c.s.i.p.g.s get all the fun of flaming?
Laurent Favre
Thomas Davie
>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>Kotov's site isn't working:
>
>http://www.dkwarez.newmail.ru/Combat.Mission.Beyond.Overlord-DVN.htm
>
>There are some problems with file # 15 and the game files are quite
>messed up. Anyone point me to a WORKING copy of CM? Many thanks. And
>please don't bullfuck about piracy and shit!
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
>
You know, its taken me over 1/2 a year to finally come to the
decision to BUY the game. Yeah sure, I've seen it on some warez sites (and
even reported it to Battlefront- stupid me right? no!). Where the hell are
you going to download Combat Mission 2 from if Battlefront goes out of
business because of pricks like you?
Pay for the game already for Christ sakes. If it is not worth paying for, I
can hardly see how it is worth downloading (unless you have some really
fucked up value scheme that is).
Tom
Thomas Davie
>for, I can hardly see how it is worth downloading (unless you have some
>really fucked up value scheme that is).
I meant to say 'I can hardly see how it is worth downloading if you're not
interested enough in it to pay for it'.
Tom
Travis Hamer
to poor sales of current products. the Thief series and SS2(which was
actually an Irrational games developement) sold well. LG died because they
spent too much money and certain deals fell through. They were counting
chickens before they hatched, alas.
I still don't stand how you thinking CM will be a failure justifies your
desire to steal the game.
Travis
Macroshaft wrote in message <8j2oel$1n6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
James Cobb
version?
--
Jim Cobb
Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8j2oel$1n6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Allan Parent
>
> As much as game developers would like to, they simply can't win the war
> against piracy. A cracked version of the 1.01 (?) patch is already out.
> Sigh... you all have good intentions, but a better way to help BTS
> would be to actually get the goddamn game into the market if you love
> it so much. Flaming people one USENET (justified or not) will not help
> BTS any ...
>
> Before you buy.
Hmmmm....how can you have a cracked version of the PATCH?
Allan
James Cobb
thrust of the article was changes/improvements to PG 1. Real reviewers take
their time with games like CM to get beyond the initial "WOW!" stage.
Reviewers got copies at about the same time as everybody else.
Of course, if you'd take the time, you'd know about the good quick takes
published last week at www.cdmag.com and www.gonegold.com.
Thomas Davie
>
>Hmmmm....how can you have a cracked version of the PATCH?
>
>Allan
>
Allan; for what it's worth, they are out there.
Tom
Kraut
about ... He's probably some 12 year-old pizza-faced kid who's pulling these
"theories" about marketing and the fate of BTS out of his little A-hole.
MK
tailz <tailzn...@north-of-the-border.net> wrote in message
news:39550b3c...@news.scsinternet.com...
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:39:01 GMT, Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >As much as game developers would like to, they simply can't win the war
> >against piracy. A cracked version of the 1.01 (?) patch is already out.
> >Sigh... you all have good intentions, but a better way to help BTS
> >would be to actually get the goddamn game into the market if you love
> >it so much. Flaming people one USENET (justified or not) will not help
> >BTS any ...
> >
> >
>
Fionn Kelly
wrote:
>Well, I don't know... I'm the first to say it's a great game, but what
>next? Not everyone out there plays just Halflife (a great game in its
>own right). Most people play a right mix of genres and that is the
>target of most game developers now. Now, CM is targeting a NICHE
>market. Even that they are doing without any ad campaign at all. What
>I'm saying is that I don't think there will *be* a CM2. Yes, even if
>you take into consideration a 'thief' like me who's waiting until he
>can actually BUY the game and would like to play before that, CM is a
>dead game.
>
>Also, shouldn't the reviews be moving in by now? I remember when Panzer
>General 2 came out. It was a media blitz. Now, this game is HEADS AND
>SHOULDERS above that, but in COMPLETE SILENCE. The reviewers should
>have had their copies at least two weeks before the release (that gives
>them plently of time to review the game) so why don't we hear anything?
>Look, even the warez sites are quiet on this one!
>
>I don't know... I just have a bad feeling about this one. Looking Glass
>folded up simply because they couldn't get sales for a game like System
>Shock 2. Reason? It was too quite in the media. Like BTS, they had
>'good intentions' but the road to hell ain't paved with brimstone now,
>is it? I'm really excited by the sheer enthusiasm of this game's
>developers, but their 'Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven'
>attide turns me off. I'd hate to see Close Combat XXXIIV or Tomb Raider
>491 beat CM.
>
>Lets wait and see.
Hmm, another Australian? I'm almost tempted to say hi Colin (seeing
as I happen to know Colin aka CoolColJ d/led a warez version of CM)
since I think you're he.
Also, as for reviews:
CGO, GoneGold and Gamesdomain have all given very positive takes on
CM.. Just goes to show that punk-ass morons like you don't do
research.
Like I said IF ( as you whined earlier) you DO want to buy CM but the
ONLY problem is you don't have a credit card then you can by by cheque
or money order.
So, come on.. Let's face it.. The whole whine about a card was just
bullshit. You simply want to steal it cause you want something for
nothing.
Ps. If you BOUGHT the fucking game you might have some say BUT it is
morons like you who go and put small companies like this out of
business.
You're a putrid and sickening excuse for a human being and with your
morals I'd hate to be your sister or pet. You'd probably think it
morally ok to fuck them both.
Allan Parent
>
> Obviously or friend macroshaft doesn't have a friggin clue what he's talking
> about ... He's probably some 12 year-old pizza-faced kid who's pulling these
> "theories" about marketing and the fate of BTS out of his little A-hole.
>
You have to remember macroshaft is from Russia according to his email
address. I do not think he has very much experience or a clue on how
free markets and marketing etc. actually work.
Allan
Tmon
Allan Parent <all...@flash.net> wrote in message
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...
> Hmmmm....how can you have a cracked version of the PATCH?
>
> Allan
>
The patch contains a new version of the executable so the little freaks had
to crack it as well if they wanted to play the patched version.
Chris Talpas
> next? Not everyone out there plays just Halflife (a great game in its
> own right). Most people play a right mix of genres and that is the
> target of most game developers now. Now, CM is targeting a NICHE
> market. Even that they are doing without any ad campaign at all. What
> I'm saying is that I don't think there will *be* a CM2. Yes, even if
> you take into consideration a 'thief' like me who's waiting until he
> can actually BUY the game and would like to play before that, CM is a
> dead game.
>. I'd hate to see Close Combat XXXIIV or Tomb Raider
> 491 beat CM.
>
> Lets wait and see.
>
Macroshaft,
Perhaps I was too harsh on you before.
You talk about how you think it is a great game and you would hate to see it
various Close Combat or Tomb raiders beat it. So would most of us here.
Combat Mission will end up costing me about 60% more than a regular retail
game once I finish importing it into Canada. Why spend that much more
money? Because I truly believe that if I want to ever see more great games
like this one, I have to do my part.
It has been said, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing. Think to your own country's history: how different the soviet
union might have turned out if Stalin was opposed before he rose to being
the sole ruler. Would your country have suffered so much during the Great
Patriotic war if the purges had never occurred? History would have been
quite different for the actions of but a few.
You seem like a reasonable fellow. Please find it within yourself to do the
'right thing'.
P.S. I just want to convey my personal thanks to the folks of the CCCP for
their sacrifices that were so instrumental in winning WW2.
Brian Robinson
> I meant to say 'I can hardly see how it is worth downloading if you're not
> interested enough in it to pay for it'.
>
to the high price. I can get almost any game for < $30 at EB with price
matching and rebates, so there's no reason for me ever to buy a game for
$45 like CM. I've got my hands full as it is, like with my $20 copy of
Shogun.
--
Brian Robinson
brob...@ist.ucf.edu
Institute for Simulation and Training
Jeff Vitous
Why pay tens of thousands of dollars for an American or Japanese car that
will get you from point A to point B just the same?
Some of us have an appreciation for the finer things in life, and yes, the
finer things are rarely found at bargain prices. If you perceive all games
to be alike, then yes, you probably don't need to buy CM. There will be
endless "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" and "Deer Hunter: Bambi Goes
Ballistic" games to fit an unrefined palate. But not all of us think carp
roe is as good as caviar, so allow us to enjoy our high-end delicacies.
--
Jeff Vitous
je...@wargamer.com
Director, Special Projects Development
www.wargamer.com
Great Battles Section - http://www.wargamer.com/greatbattles
Dragoon Section - http://www.wargamer.com/dragoon
Fighting Steel Section - http://www.wargamer.com/fs
Age of Sail Exhibition - http://www.wargamer.com/aos
Sid Meier's Antietam! - http://www.wargamer.com/antietam
Horse and Musket Section - http://www.wargamer.com/horsenmusket
NEW! Warfare in Feudal Japan - http://www.wargamer.com/shogun
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Allan Parent
The bastards! So help me if they ruin our chances for CM2 we will have
to release our secret weapons...Fionn and Old Salt. :-) Together, they
will reach critical mass and wipe out these vermin.
Allan
Istvan
Jeff Vitous wrote:
> Ballistic" games to fit an unrefined palate. But not all of us think carp
> roe is as good as caviar, so allow us to enjoy our high-end delicacies.
Oh, a member of the Chosen Ones (the best, of the very best,
of the few, of the proud) has spoken:
"allow us to enjoy our high end delicacyies"
as if he would have said that you shoud not buy it ...
the man has a good point $45+shipping is pretty steep,
now if you don't mind it so be it, that being said unfair
(or perceived unfair) pricing is what mostly promotes piracy.
Istvan.
Joe Shaw
you must or why are you posting here), you're missing out on something really
special. I've spent a lot more money on games that I've played once or twice and
never again, this one is a keeper and worth twice the price.
Joe
Mark Asher
news:8j2oel$1n6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Well, I don't know... I'm the first to say it's a great game, but what
> next? Not everyone out there plays just Halflife (a great game in its
> own right). Most people play a right mix of genres and that is the
> target of most game developers now. Now, CM is targeting a NICHE
> market. Even that they are doing without any ad campaign at all. What
> I'm saying is that I don't think there will *be* a CM2. Yes, even if
> you take into consideration a 'thief' like me who's waiting until he
> can actually BUY the game and would like to play before that, CM is a
> dead game.
>
> General 2 came out. It was a media blitz. Now, this game is HEADS AND
> SHOULDERS above that, but in COMPLETE SILENCE. The reviewers should
> have had their copies at least two weeks before the release (that gives
> them plently of time to review the game) so why don't we hear anything?
> Look, even the warez sites are quiet on this one!
>
> I don't know... I just have a bad feeling about this one. Looking Glass
> folded up simply because they couldn't get sales for a game like System
> Shock 2. Reason? It was too quite in the media. Like BTS, they had
> 'good intentions' but the road to hell ain't paved with brimstone now,
> is it? I'm really excited by the sheer enthusiasm of this game's
> developers, but their 'Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven'
> 491 beat CM.
>
> Lets wait and see.
I can almost guarantee you that all the major mags and sites will review
this game. If it dies, it's because it's going after a niche market and they
couldn't afford to market the game properly. It's unfortunate, but you have
to spend money to get your game noticed. A brief spate of reviews probably
isn't pervasive enough.
Of course I don't know the particulars the company behind CM. If it's just a
few people, they don't need to sell 150,000 copies to make money. Jeff Vogel
of Spiderweb Software apparently makes a nice six-figure living doing his
one-man shareware RPGs.
Laurent Favre
distribution: read it and try to understand it.
"Battlefront.com's goal is to create and distribute serious, compelling,
strategy and military history software in order to serve the needs of the
thousands of wargamers who have nearly been abandoned by The Industry. Are
you the sort of person who prefers reading Stephen Ambrose to John Grisham?
Would you rather see Saving Private Ryan or Cross of Iron twice rather than
Titanic even once? Do you find yourself glued to documentary programs on the
History Channel while everyone else is watching Ally McBeal? If so, then
join with us to plug the gaps in the computer game lineup and carry the
counterattack home to the enemy!
Our strategy is twofold. First, we outflank the Retail distribution problem
with technology: the Internet. It's cheap, totally within our control, and
is without the artificial pressures of The Industry. We can do this because
we don't have to to sell hundreds of thousands of units each and every 6
months just to stay in business. Therefore, we don't have to produce games
that appeal to the lowest common denominator. Battlefront.com is about
enjoyable, intelligent gaming, not Hollywood budgets, hype, and mass-market
insanity. The only limit is the interest of all you wargamers out there, and
we're one of the few companies who think your interest matters!
The complementary half of the plan is community building. We want
Battlefront.com to become a haven where wargamers come to discover and
discuss games, military history, favorite strategies, feedback, you name it.
It will also be a place - perhaps the only place - on the internet or
anywhere else where you can buy first-rate wargames that haven't "sold out"
and become watered-down, thin gruel for the twitch crowd.
We will only offer games and other products that wargamers want, not what
some bean-counter at the local superstore thinks will sell the quickest.
Substance over Hype. This is what Battlefront.com is all about. So long as
you support us, we will be here for you."
"Macroshaft" <gha...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news:
Fionn Kelly
Hell, put me in the same room as someone who has pirated CM and I
won't need OS to reach critical mass ;).
All I ask is that no-one mentions the Geneva convention as I'd hate
anyone to try to count exactly how many rules of war I'd break whilst
breaking the pirates bones ;).
Sorry guys but pirates just really, really get me annoyed.
verns
>> Hear me out for there is a method to my madness. Look, if I was in the
>> States, I would have NO DOUBT BOUGHT the game. BUT:
>>
>> 1. You can't buy game originals where I live. Nowhere. Nada.
>> 2. I don't have a credit card which I can use to order CM.
>
Check or Money Order, they would work with you. You could pay for it without a
credit card, but you choose not to make the effort. This is your decision,
plain and simple and there is no justification for it. You are making the
choice. It's as simple as that.
Moose&Squirrel
please, no talk of violence on the WAR newsgroup!!
>
--
.
"When you're thinking of Giant Heads, think of the Big giant head!"
Jeff Jones
> to the high price. I can get almost any game for < $30 at EB with price
> matching and rebates, so there's no reason for me ever to buy a game for
> $45 like CM. I've got my hands full as it is, like with my $20 copy of
> Shogun.
Simply put ... you are making a mistake. CM is 5 times the game Shogun is!
I'm the world's worst price hound, like you I don't like paying even $40 for
a game. Now that I've played the full version, I would be satisfied if I'd
paid $80 for CM.
Todd Warner
prices are pretty steep, and it is sure unfair that you been stuck with
driving that Ford Pinto all your life.
Piracy is stealing. You can try and rationalize it all you want, but it is
still a crime.
"Istvan" <removethis...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:39553AA3...@prodigy.net...
Stuurm
>wrote:
>>I'm looking for Combat Mission warez full version. The one on Andrew
>>Kotov's site isn't working:
>
GOOD CALL
Wait like the rest of us you free-loading pleb cheap-ass no-good mo-fo
You need to be bitch-slapped
Jeff Vitous
$15 less than "A" titles 10 years ago, any economist will tell you its even
a greater bargain after adjusting for inflation.
Now, I'll go out on a limb and estimate that CM has 100 or more hours of
gameplay. Compare this with cheaper titles on the shelves that peter out
after 10 or 20 hours. The price of CM is only steep if you plan on letting
it sit on the shelf.
--
Jeff Vitous
je...@wargamer.com
Director, Special Projects Development
www.wargamer.com
Great Battles Section - http://www.wargamer.com/greatbattles
Dragoon Section - http://www.wargamer.com/dragoon
Fighting Steel Section - http://www.wargamer.com/fs
Age of Sail Exhibition - http://www.wargamer.com/aos
Sid Meier's Antietam! - http://www.wargamer.com/antietam
Horse and Musket Section - http://www.wargamer.com/horsenmusket
NEW! Warfare in Feudal Japan - http://www.wargamer.com/shogun
Istvan <removethis...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Vitous wrote:
>
> > Ballistic" games to fit an unrefined palate. But not all of us think
carp
> > roe is as good as caviar, so allow us to enjoy our high-end delicacies.
>
> Oh, a member of the Chosen Ones (the best, of the very best,
> of the few, of the proud) has spoken:
>
> "allow us to enjoy our high end delicacyies"
>
> as if he would have said that you shoud not buy it ...
>
Adam Kippes
> that being said unfair
> (or perceived unfair) pricing is what mostly promotes piracy.
Nonsense. Greed is what "promotes" piracy.
-- AK
--
adam....@pobox.com
PGP keys available from servers
Marcus J. Maunula
piracy, just
because you're mad at him?
Marcus
"Fionn Kelly" <fio...@esatclear.ie> skrev i meddelandet
(snip)
> Hmm, another Australian? I'm almost tempted to say hi Colin (seeing
> as I happen to know Colin aka CoolColJ d/led a warez version of CM)
> since I think you're he.
>
(snip)
>
Mark
--
Mark
"Fionn Kelly" <fio...@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
news:395517b0...@news.esatclear.ie...
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:43:03 GMT, Macroshaft <gha...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm, another Australian? I'm almost tempted to say hi Colin (seeing
> as I happen to know Colin aka CoolColJ d/led a warez version of CM)
> since I think you're he.
>
MC
>
> Simply put ... you are making a mistake. CM is 5 times the game Shogun is!
> I'm the world's worst price hound, like you I don't like paying even $40 for
> a game. Now that I've played the full version, I would be satisfied if I'd
> paid $80 for CM.
Comparing CM to Shogun is like comparing a banana to a grapefruit.
Marcus J. Maunula
Although grapefruit is better for breakfast than banana imo.
Marcus
"MC" <mb...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Michael Oberly
This coming from the guy who attacked people who defended Napster
because of recording industry price gouging.I guess leopards really
can change their spots.
>
>the man has a good point $45+shipping is pretty steep,
>now if you don't mind it so be it, that being said unfair
>(or perceived unfair) pricing is what mostly promotes piracy.
>
>Istvan.
--
Mike Oberly * Rain can't wet me,
when I have my poui in my hand. *
* Rain can't wet me,
I advancing on the foe like a roaring lion!*
Soca/Calypso fan?Check out http://www.iere.com/thebarn
Fionn Kelly
>piracy, just
>because you're mad at him?
No it isn't.
See, Colin found a warez site with CM. He then informed BTS of it but
not before downloading CM.
How do I know this? Simple..
Colin has talked about playing various in-game scenarios only a few
days after CM shipped. Colin lives in Australia and can't possibly
have received the CD.
Hence, even a cursory examination of dates shows Colin hmust be
playing a warez version of CM.
Just for the record, I didn't notice this myself until a couple of
testers emailed me and pointed this out.
So, my assertion that Colin has a warez version has everything to do
with facts and shipping dates and nothing to do with me being mad at
him.
I can provide the posts to prove it if u want.
Chuck Smith
it, hopefully with some of the folks posting here. But I also own Shogun. I
have been playing computer games for many years and NOTHING compares to the
online play of Shogun. My greatest thrills ever have been with partners who
knew what they were doing in team play. The environment, sound, and nail
biting HUGE battles set in real time are incredible. CM will be great,
especially with the community that has built up around it. But I frankly
don't anticipate that it will match the grandeur of Shogun's online play.
When the EB rebate is figured in, Shogun is the best buy for
strategy/historical wargame lovers right now.
Like a few others here, I blanched at CM's price. That's a nice profit
margin there for CM developers. I'm willing to take a chance that their
financial success will feed new add-ons and versions of CM. But it's still a
stiff price compared to other great games on the market. Since its targeted
to a small and semi- niche (hey, I'm here), I guess they can charge a
premium price. I'm not sure how many additional sales they would gain by
dropping the price. So they charge what the market will give. So we give
without too much complaint.
Chuck
Shogun online: Greybear Ukita
Jeff Jones <jeff....@home.com> wrote in message
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> > I'm not going to download it warez, but I won't buy it either due
> > to the high price. I can get almost any game for < $30 at EB with price
> > matching and rebates, so there's no reason for me ever to buy a game for
> > $45 like CM. I've got my hands full as it is, like with my $20 copy of
> > Shogun.
>
tailz
wrote:
>Like a few others here, I blanched at CM's price. That's a nice profit
>margin there for CM developers.
Okay, I'm a bit confused here... in the US $45 is expensive?
What are prices for games around the world?
For example, in MidWest Ontario (couple hours from Toronto)
Starfleet Command is still going for $57 Canadian at EB, Shogun was
$52-7, and I saw a copy of Panzer Elite for $49 at Future Shop.
Marcus J. Maunula
No need I believe you. It's sad that one of the contributors to the CM
community behaves like this. At least I hope he ordered it.
Colin, please don't support the warez guys.
Marcus
MC
>
> They both taste good :)
>
> Although grapefruit is better for breakfast than banana imo.
>
> Marcus
I dislike both :) I'd rather a mandarin anyday.
umm,
alt.games.fruit.discuss ?
Sapura
Fionn Kelly
>community behaves like this. At least I hope he ordered it.
>
>Colin, please don't support the warez guys.
>Marcus
Yes, he ordered it.. So, at least he is buying it but it still grates
with me that anyone would get a warez version.
Anyways, the less said about it the better.. It' just one reason I was
so annoyed yesterday about the whole warez issue.
SR
Todd Warner wrote in message ...
>Well, by your logic then I guess we see you stealing a LEXUS since
their
>prices are pretty steep, and it is sure unfair that you been stuck
with
>driving that Ford Pinto all your life.
>
>Piracy is stealing. You can try and rationalize it all you want,
but it is
>still a crime.
The thing is if you drove around in a stolen luxury car you would be
arrested within hours, at least you would here in the UK, but if
these people download the game play it a few times and wipe it from
their harddisks the authorities would never know. So these people
are not taking any real risk. I don't think piracy is that much of
a problem here in the UK as v90 modems make it a slow (and often
expensive) process to download a pirated game. I really don't think
that many people who download this game would ever consider buying
it in the first place, most warez games seem to be action games and
most of the people using these games seem to be kids. I am sure the
developers considered piracy and reasoned that if they charge $45
for each copy they may sell X copies with Y more pirated copies
being used.
Don't get me wrong I totally disagree with piracy (in most cases but
not where someone tries to charge an extortionate price without
offering a demo or refund or where you can't make a legal backup of
a CD you own without using a cracked exe) and the initiator of this
thread should have known better than ask here but I do think that
the issue is blown out of proportion in many cases.
AND we shouldn't have to wait so long for CM in Europe after all the
game is SET here. :-)
SR
Marcus J. Maunula
Marcus
"MC" <mb...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Marcus J. Maunula
It has
generated more CM posts in csipgs.
Even bad PR is good PR or something like that :)
Marcus
>"Fionn Kelly" <fio...@esatclear.ie> skrev i meddelandet
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Neil Carr
exhaustive documentation. Otherwise I patiently wait for the price to
come down to a reasonable level.
N...@nomail.net
thus spoke:
>No it isn't.
>
>See, Colin found a warez site with CM. He then informed BTS of it but
>not before downloading CM.
>
>How do I know this? Simple..
>
>Colin has talked about playing various in-game scenarios only a few
>days after CM shipped. Colin lives in Australia and can't possibly
>have received the CD.
>
>Hence, even a cursory examination of dates shows Colin hmust be
>playing a warez version of CM.
>
>Just for the record, I didn't notice this myself until a couple of
>testers emailed me and pointed this out.
>
>So, my assertion that Colin has a warez version has everything to do
>with facts and shipping dates and nothing to do with me being mad at
>him.
>
>I can provide the posts to prove it if u want.
So? Maybe he has already paid for the game. If he has then what is the
harm in playing the warez version until his legit copy arrives?
--
Nos
Enfilade
> I'm not going to download it warez, but I won't buy it
either due
>to the high price. I can get almost any game for < $30 at EB
with price
>matching and rebates, so there's no reason for me ever to buy a
game for
>$45 like CM. I've got my hands full as it is, like with my $20
copy of
>Shogun.
C'mon now, Brian. That's a big no-no around here. Suggesting
that Combat Mission just might be a little overpriced? I see it
has brought out the usual variety of hyperbolic praise, and I
hope BTS is reading it. I mean, one says its worth $80?
Another says TWICE the asking price? And if CM is FIVE TIMES
the game Shogun is... jeezus. Why not throw a few API's into
the box, up the price to $100 or so, and sell it as an operating
system? Windows CM? Now that would be a revolutionary
wargame! Personally, I think the price is a tad high, but it
didn't prevent me from ordering, and I don't think its cause is
any greed or gouging on BTS part. They apparently could have
asked much, MUCH more for it and still had a nice long line of
folks emptying their wallets. More power to them - I hope they
make a bundle on this one.
Delicacies? Finer things in life? Its a GAME, folks.
-E
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
http://www.keen.com
MC
Hmm, he's had a nasty childhood, leave him alone :)
Sapura
N...@nomail.net
(tailz) thus spoke:
> Okay, I'm a bit confused here... in the US $45 is expensive?
>What are prices for games around the world?
$45.00 US is about $$68.00 CDN. Throw in the shipping cost and it's
well over the average price for a game.
--
Nos
Damocles
wrote:
>$45 is $5 less that list price on most "A" titles at major retailors. It is
>$15 less than "A" titles 10 years ago, any economist will tell you its even
>a greater bargain after adjusting for inflation.
>
>Now, I'll go out on a limb and estimate that CM has 100 or more hours of
>gameplay. Compare this with cheaper titles on the shelves that peter out
>after 10 or 20 hours. The price of CM is only steep if you plan on letting
>it sit on the shelf.
I don't mind the price but I'm a little leery of paying that much for
something I probably can't return. It sounds like a great game but I
would have preferred a North Africa or Eastern Front focus rather than
the (massively overdone) Normandy campaign.
Marcus J. Maunula
warez.
The plain truth about illegal software is that it sells for huge amount of
$. It's not the innocent stuff you saw in the 80's anymore.
At the same time there's alot of hypocrisy in this topic. I've seen software
companies use illegal copies of popular graphics packages, at the same time
they bitch about their own software being copied :).
Marcus
<N...@NOMAIL.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:56:15 GMT, fio...@esatclear.ie (Fionn Kelly)
> thus spoke:
(snip)
Jeremy Reaban
N...@NOMAIL.net wrote in message
<snip>
>$45.00 US is about $$68.00 CDN. Throw in the shipping cost and it's
>well over the average price for a game.
>
>--
>Nos
Looking in today's papers, Shogun is $27.99 at most places (Best Buy,
Comp USA). So, CM is about twice as much as Shogun.
Marcus J. Maunula
Add the price of the strategy guide and you have the real price of Shogun.
Marcus
"Jeremy Reaban" <j...@Xconnectria.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Jeff Jones
"> Delicacies? Finer things in life? Its a GAME, folks.
Perhaps to you ;-) To me, it's a religion ... you wouldn't knock a man's
religion, now would you?
James Cobb
PLONK!!!!
--
Jim Cobb
Istvan <removethis...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Vitous wrote:
>
> > Ballistic" games to fit an unrefined palate. But not all of us think
carp
> > roe is as good as caviar, so allow us to enjoy our high-end delicacies.
>
> Oh, a member of the Chosen Ones (the best, of the very best,
> of the few, of the proud) has spoken:
>
> "allow us to enjoy our high end delicacyies"
>
> as if he would have said that you shoud not buy it ...
James Cobb
--
Jim Cobb
Jeremy Reaban <j...@Xconnectria.com> wrote in message
Roderick Pommier
left and see the other dreck i've bought and do the math. i feel i owe BTS
something anyways. i've played those two scenarios in CM:Gold like they
were a full game. if 2 scenarios gave me that much value, just think what
the full game will be like...
the only thing i fault Battlefront for is that dang postage... but
that's another thread isn't it : )
rod...
Damocles <phae...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Laurent Favre
such reasoning, it could never happen to a small company to produce a
wargame. Do you want that? I don't simply because I really can't imagine how
a big company would accept to produce such a game. Of course you could buy 2
"great games" for one CM. And as for most of those great games you will play
them....2 or 3 days each....
"Jeremy Reaban" <j...@Xconnectria.com> a écrit dans le message news:
tailz
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:44:47 GMT, tailzn...@north-of-the-border.net
>(tailz) thus spoke:
>
>
>> Okay, I'm a bit confused here... in the US $45 is expensive?
>>What are prices for games around the world?
>
>$45.00 US is about $$68.00 CDN. Throw in the shipping cost and it's
>well over the average price for a game.
Well, by the time I add the two hours of gas and driving time
to get to a city to purchase it, CM is right in the ballpark for
retail prices... for me. (plus I won't have to blow a Saturday on the
road to get it... I just have to stop at the post office after my
shift ;) )
However, I think we all have tech support horror stories and
based on my previous experiences with Mr.Moylan (with Achtung Spit) I
KNOW BTS dusts the competition when it comes to helping the customer.
It's still worth the extra bucks... to me anyway.
Brett Todd
> >(tailz) thus spoke:
> >$45.00 US is about $$68.00 CDN. Throw in the shipping cost and it's
> >well over the average price for a game.
And don't forget the customs nonsense that you'll have to go through. Paying
the duty and whatever other added processing fee that the broker will hit
you with will undoubtedly jack the price up another $15-25 CDN.
Brett
desm...@home.com
Correct me if I'm wrong. My experience seems to suggest that anything
lower than a certain amount got exempted from those duty and whatever
other costs happen to be. Last time I ordered something about $100 and I
wasn't asked to pay a lot of those things.
LurkerInTheShadows
>>> Simply put ... you are making a mistake. CM is 5 times the
game Shogun is!
>>> I'm the world's worst price hound, like you I don't like
paying even $40 for
>>> a game. Now that I've played the full version, I would be
satisfied if I'd
>>> paid $80 for CM.
Simply put...Good for you. $45 these days for any just about any
game is way too high, and i'm sure many people would say the
same. Yes, I work and yes I make a decent living, that's not the
point. The only exception I allowed myself is Diablo 2...*sigh*
>>Comparing CM to Shogun is like comparing a banana to a
grapefruit.
>
>Hmm, I don't really like either bananas OR grapefruits...
Me either...and whoever came up with this line (I didn't see the
original) needs to visit the library and pick up a copy
of "Analogies 101" :)
LurkerInTheShadows
>> Simply put...Good for you. $45 these days for any just about
any
>> game is way too high, and i'm sure many people would say the
>> same. Yes, I work and yes I make a decent living, that's not
the
>> point. The only exception I allowed myself is Diablo
2...*sigh*
>
difference? Be
>glad you're not a console gamer, all the games are over $45
when they come
>out. N64 games are almost all $60 each. Dreamcast games are all
$50 ea.
Ok, ok...but my exception is better than yours :P
As far as the console thing, I think the markets are different,
and there's less of a range of availability of games for
consoles, so they can get away with higher prices.
Mike Hussey
<tailzn...@north-of-the-border.net> writes
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:36:55 -0700, "Chuck Smith" <cas...@ksu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Like a few others here, I blanched at CM's price. That's a nice profit
>>margin there for CM developers.
> Okay, I'm a bit confused here... in the US $45 is expensive?
>What are prices for games around the world?
>
>Starfleet Command is still going for $57 Canadian at EB, Shogun was
>$52-7, and I saw a copy of Panzer Elite for $49 at Future Shop.
Well the normal price for games in the UK (including Shogun) is
30 quid, about $45 US, so I can't see what the fuss is about either.
--
Mike Hussey
Istvan
MC wrote:
>
> Marcus J. Maunula wrote:
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > "MC" <mb...@hotmail.com>
> >
> > > Marcus J. Maunula wrote:
keep bonding guys,
i.
tailz
wrote:
>I don't mind the price but I'm a little leery of paying that much for
>something I probably can't return. It sounds like a great game but I
>would have preferred a North Africa or Eastern Front focus rather than
>the (massively overdone) Normandy campaign.
>
>
Yeah, but how many titles have you bought and not completed?
Played a half dozen times and let languish? Bought, thought were crap
and couldn't be bothered returning? (last point probably applies more
to us rural dwellers of course)
Based strictly on the demo (which I think a lot of us have played
extensively... hell a lot of us probably played the Beta demo to
death) it's hard to see how CM could be that much of a disappointment
to anyone who's followed this, or any other forum. As I understand
it, if the demo works on your machine, so will the full version, so
your risk factor is already substantially diminished.
tailz
Marko Peric
>In <39553AA3...@prodigy.net>, Istvan wrote:
>
>> that being said unfair
>> (or perceived unfair) pricing is what mostly promotes piracy.
>
Greed may be the foundation, but prices modulate piracy. But what does
"$45 for CM" have to do with unfair pricing? Yeah, maybe unfair for the
designers of this excellent game. :)
Marko;
Marko Peric
>Comparing CM to Shogun is like comparing a banana to a grapefruit.
Well, if you goal was to mystify us, then I think you've succeeded. Some
advice: don't use analogies which depend on people's personal taste
preferences. :-)
Marko;
F. Voros
You get to play customs roulette. I have had items valued at $20 be
hit by customs charges while items valued at $70 went through
without charge. Both were the same category of goods. It depends
upon the package, the size of the item, whether the customs inspector
is having relationship problems, etc, etc.
Frank
Fionn Kelly
>> I'm the world's worst price hound, like you I don't like paying even $40 for
>> a game. Now that I've played the full version, I would be satisfied if I'd
>> paid $80 for CM.
>
>
>
Hmm, I don't really like either bananas OR grapefruits...
Could we maybe compare CM to shogun by way of umm, double chocolate
chip icecream vs vanilla? That's MUCH more understandable to me... ;)
N...@nomail.net
<bism...@inxpress.net> thus spoke:
>Yeah, but add in the #20 Shogun guide you need for a real manual.
I'm sure I could play Shogun perfectly well even with it's cheezy
pamphlet. I played the CM demo fine with no manual. But, I do
appreciate a good meaty manual and I did already pay for my copy of
CM. Which hasn't arrived yet. :-(
--
Nos
Jeff Jones
Travis Hamer
game. I'm used to paying 50-60 bucks per game. I was overjoyed to see Shogun
for 29.99. When the hell did games become so cheap, and why didn't anybody
tell the EB I shop at?
Travis
tailz wrote in message <39583548...@news.scsinternet.com>...
Brian Robinson
> Then the news that the Yugo is back in production must have you in ectasy!
> Why pay tens of thousands of dollars for an American or Japanese car that
> will get you from point A to point B just the same?
>
Yeah, I could buy a poor game that no one like like Shogun for
$20 rather than getting the amazing Combat Mission. You've missed the
point of the argument; there are games as good as Combat Mission available
for substantially less. Its not that I'm settling for less for less
money. This year I've bought these games for $20-$25: JA2, The Sims,
Shadow Watch, Shogun. This isn't Barbie Hunter material. There are the
top 5% of games being made these days.
--
Brian Robinson
brob...@ist.ucf.edu
Institute for Simulation and Training