CIV question: what is the effect of railroads?
Joel A. Fine
I have another question about Civilization for DOS. Does anyone have a list of
the exact effect railroads have on each terrain type? That is, how many extra
food/resources/trade units are generated on {prarie, hill, etc} with railroad vs.
the same square with road? I couldn't find this information in the manual.
Thanks in advance,
- Joel Fine
jo...@cs.berkeley.edu
Sim Chuen Nen
: Hi,
: Thanks in advance,
: - Joel Fine
: jo...@cs.berkeley.edu
As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
along railroads without losing turn...
john glasscock
: Joel A. Fine (jo...@elmo.CS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
: : the exact effect railroads have on each terrain type? That is, how many extra
: : food/resources/trade units are generated on {prarie, hill, etc} with railroad vs.
: : jo...@cs.berkeley.edu
: As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
: along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
: along railroads without losing turn...
Railroads give you one more unit of production for every two on that
resource square. Thus, if you have a gold, mined, and railroaded, you
get double the production of an unimproved gold square. Same for forest
game or any other production, like food.
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ACE
>Joel A. Fine (jo...@elmo.CS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: I have another question about Civilization for DOS. Does anyone have a list of
>: food/resources/trade units are generated on {prarie, hill, etc} with railroad vs.
>
>: Thanks in advance,
>
>: jo...@cs.berkeley.edu
>
>As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
>along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
>along railroads without losing turn...
>
Not exactly true... going through cities - even on railroads, I
believe - uses up 1/3 of a movement point.
Paul van Run
That's because there is no railroad in your city. Try building a railroad first and
then building your city on top of it, you will notice that you won't loose any
movement points.
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M. Novean
|> In article <2hs0fr$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ACE writes:
|> > In article <2hrbj3$j...@nuscc.nus.sg> eng3...@leonis.nus.sg (Sim Chuen Nen) writes:
|> > >
|> > >As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
|> > >along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
|> > >along railroads without losing turn...
|> > >
|> >
|> > Not exactly true... going through cities - even on railroads, I
|> > believe - uses up 1/3 of a movement point.
|>
|> That's because there is no railroad in your city. Try building a railroad first and
|> then building your city on top of it, you will notice that you won't loose any
|> movement points.
|> =============================================================================
|> Paul van Run [Dept. of CS, U of W, Waterloo Ont., Canada]
|>
Is there anyway to prevent this? I always hate that my older (and bigger)
cities always require a "bypass" or "beltway" around them to prevent
units from losing the 1/3 movement point.
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ACE
> In article <2hs0fr$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ACE writes:
> > In article <2hrbj3$j...@nuscc.nus.sg> eng3...@leonis.nus.sg (Sim Chuen Nen) writes:
>
> > >As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
> > >along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
> > >along railroads without losing turn...
> > >
> >
> > Not exactly true... going through cities - even on railroads, I
> > believe - uses up 1/3 of a movement point.
>
> That's because there is no railroad in your city. Try building a railroad first and
> then building your city on top of it, you will notice that you won't loose any
> movement points.
> =============================================================================
> Paul van Run [Dept. of CS, U of W, Waterloo Ont., Canada]
>
Actually, there is, otherwise why does the railroad graphic lead into your city?
The two authors of "Civilization - Or Rome on 640k a Day" discuss this, and
attribute the slowdown as a result of city traffic and gridlock... Also,
something intersting which some of you may not know: railroads can be built
upon ocean squares to increase production, just as on land. Just put some
settlers on a boat, take them to the spot, and build away. Unfortunately, these
can only be used for increased production, not transportation.
ACE
john glasscock
cheat to speed the production of the railroad building.
ACE wrote:
: ACE
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It also increases trade in most locations.
Klaus Gebhardt
> believe - uses up 1/3 of a movement point.
After you have built a city, you can not build any railroads in the city-
square. So you have the normal loss of 1/3 movement-point for simple
roads.
But if you build the railroad first and then build the city you need
NO movement-point on the city-square.
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Steve Atkins
drop a railroad in after the city has been built.... Ho hum.
Michael Scanlon
Along a similar vain I note that building cities adjacent to each other
once you get railroad automatically builds a railroad between the cities
(the same must be true of regular roads as well). This became evident as
an enemy civ came by, wiped out my city and lo and behold was a railroad
leading to the adjacent cities.
Mike
==>
==>Actually, there is, otherwise why does the railroad graphic lead into your city?
==>The two authors of "Civilization - Or Rome on 640k a Day" discuss this, and
==>attribute the slowdown as a result of city traffic and gridlock... Also,
==>something intersting which some of you may not know: railroads can be built
==>upon ocean squares to increase production, just as on land. Just put some
==>settlers on a boat, take them to the spot, and build away. Unfortunately, these
==>can only be used for increased production, not transportation.
==>
==> ACE
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Alberto BARSELLA
In article <2hrbj3$j...@nuscc.nus.sg> eng3...@leonis.nus.sg (Sim Chuen Nen) writes:
>Joel A. Fine (jo...@elmo.CS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: Hi,
>: I have another question about Civilization for DOS. Does anyone have a list of
>: the exact effect railroads have on each terrain type? That is, how many extra
>: food/resources/trade units are generated on {prarie, hill, etc} with railroad vs.
>: the same square with road? I couldn't find this information in the manual.
>
>: Thanks in advance,
>
>: - Joel Fine
>: jo...@cs.berkeley.edu
>
>As far as i know railroads improves movements of your units.. Moving
>along railroads takes up no movement points ie you can move anywhere
>along railroads without losing turn...
>
. Not exactly true... going through cities - even on railroads, I
. believe - uses up 1/3 of a movement point.
If you build a city where there is a railroad you can go through the
city without consuming any movement point.
Railroads also increase square production: they multiply production by
1.5, rounding down i.e.:
1 -> 1.5 which rounds to 1
2 -> 3
3 -> 4 (4.5 actually)
4 -> 6 (food on irrigated oasis)
The 'republic/democracy' bonus to trade is applied AFTER this multiplication
and thus plains/grasslands etc give only 2 trades.
If you railroad a fish you will get 4 trades instead of 3.
COLOSSUS bonus trades are counted before multiplication.
Hope this helps
Alberto
Terry Chow
In article <2hujo5$r...@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, M. Novean (nov...@apollo.aoe.vt.edu) writes:
>In article <CK1tn...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>, parv...@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Paul van Run) writes:
>|> In article <2hs0fr$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ACE writes:
>|> > In article <2hrbj3$j...@nuscc.nus.sg> eng3...@leonis.nus.sg (Sim Chuen Nen) writes:
>
>
>Is there anyway to prevent this? I always hate that my older (and bigger)
>cities always require a "bypass" or "beltway" around them to prevent
>units from losing the 1/3 movement point.
>
>--
The main strategic importance of Railroads in CIV is not
the zero movement points (although it's nice to have), but
the production bonuses that you get from railroading a
square. Therefore, you should aim to railroad every square
that can be used by a city. Once you've done this, there is
no need to ever move a unit through a city anyway.
Incidentally, you can also build railroads AT SEA by
placing a settler into a trireme, sail etc., placing the
seagoing unit into sentry mode, 'waking up' the settler &
selecting 'Build Road/Railroad' etc. Useful for 'Maxing
out' populations in coastal cities.
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> : Actually, there is, otherwise why does the railroad graphic lead into your city?
> : The two authors of "Civilization - Or Rome on 640k a Day" discuss this, and
> : attribute the slowdown as a result of city traffic and gridlock... Also,
> : something intersting which some of you may not know: railroads can be built
> : upon ocean squares to increase production, just as on land. Just put some
> : settlers on a boat, take them to the spot, and build away. Unfortunately, these
> : can only be used for increased production, not transportation.
They can so be used for transportation, if you don't want to go very far. Put
a transport ship of some kind on the RR and move your unit across with no loss
of movement. Unfortunately for some reason the unit automatically sentries in
the other side, but...
Antai
Kirok
many extra>: food/resources/trade units are generated on {prarie, hill, etc}
with railroad>vs.
>: the same square with road? I couldn't find this information in the manual.
It is in the tech supplement that details the effects of irrigating/mining etc
on all the different terrain type/combos. Answers were as folks stated,
increases production 50% (2 food = 3 food, 3 food=4food, 4 fd= 6 fd, but 1 fd
= 1 fd (alas)) for food/res and trade ? (I dismember on that one).
+allows free movement.
One note concerning the need for beltways around cities....I railroad the
whole country so I dont mind...guess am just a railroad head at heart. (never
did like that 1/3 movement point lost tho....).
Asta
Kirok
Phoenix, AZ
Yes it gets hot here.
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cost any movement. So, build the railroad before you build the city!