X-Com Q: Commanders at all alien bases?
D SCOTT BENNETT
commander. Since getting the Solution, I've taken two alien bases, one
Snakeman, one Muton, and haven't found a Commander. In the Snakeman base
there were two Snakeman Leaders; in the Muton base there wasn't even a
leader (that I spotted). In both cases there were a couple of aliens that
I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
bases have a commander?
Thanks in advance.
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D. Scott Bennett
Department of Political Science
The Pennsylvania State University
Scott T Jones
In all the games I've played, I have NEVER seen a Muton leader or
commander. I don't think they exist. Friends have also reported
attacking bases and not finding commanders. However, there is
another way to catch a commander. If you see a battleship on an
Alien Base mission, it may be carrying the commander to the new
base. I was able to capture a commander that way, when the UFO
landed.
Sadun Anik
I've researched the Martian Solution, and now need to capture an alien
commander. Since getting the Solution, I've taken two alien bases, one
Snakeman, one Muton, and haven't found a Commander. In the Snakeman base
there were two Snakeman Leaders; in the Muton base there wasn't even a
leader (that I spotted). In both cases there were a couple of aliens that
I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
bases have a commander?
I would say unlucky. In one base the first Snakeman I encountered was
the Commander. The two in the control room were Leaders.
Sadun
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Oeystein Ramboel
>From: an...@hpl.hp.com (Sadun Anik)
>Subject: Re: X-Com Q: Commanders at all alien bases?
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:31:24 GMT
And in a muton base the leader should be an alien from another race.
Don't remember which but it's in the faq.
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Ben Ng
: I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
: aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
: bases have a commander?
There should be a commander at every base. You are probably killing them.
If you have psionics or mindprobe...use it to find out what rank an alien is.
I think the leaders are the ones usually with the blaster..I think.
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upd...@cc.memphis.edu
> D SCOTT BENNETT (ds...@cac.psu.edu) wrote:
> : I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
> : aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
> : bases have a commander?
>
> There should be a commander at every base. You are probably killing them.
> If you have psionics or mindprobe...use it to find out what rank an alien is.
> I think the leaders are the ones usually with the blaster..I think.
Not always. I captured an Ethereal Commander that had a Heavy Plasma. Also, I
tried countless times until I figured out that there are NO Muton Commanders
(or even Leaders, for that matter). I went through 3 Muton bases before I
figured this one out (sheesh).
David Lamb (MST#12347)
The University of Memphis
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"You mean that my entire life has been one big setup for a punchline?
Geez, I feel like Morey Amsterdam" - Crow
Mike 'Krazy' Donais
Mutons are the green troll like dudes right?
They seem to be immune to stunning anyway, so if they had leaders it wouldnt
help. Now i saw someone post that they had leaders of another race. That
would make sense.
Mike.
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Andrew Solovay
Mike 'Krazy' Donais <don...@server.uwindsor.ca> writes:
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>Mutons are the green troll like dudes right?
>They seem to be immune to stunning anyway, so if they had leaders it wouldnt
>help.
They're not immune to stunning, they're just very very tough (high
health). It usualy takes more than one stun bomb to knock'em out.
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"Ha-ha. Merriment and whatnot. Don't apologize. It's
just what *would* happen." --- Eeyore
Scott T Jones
Not true. Mutons do not have Leaders or Commanders. See my reply to
"UFO/XCOM - Is there a way to edit the ALIENS ??" for more details.
hra...@marc.cri.nz
>In article <3aia0r$7...@hearst.cac.psu.edu> ds...@cac.psu.edu (D SCOTT BENNETT) writes:
> I've researched the Martian Solution, and now need to capture an alien
> commander. Since getting the Solution, I've taken two alien bases, one
> Snakeman, one Muton, and haven't found a Commander. In the Snakeman base
> there were two Snakeman Leaders; in the Muton base there wasn't even a
> leader (that I spotted). In both cases there were a couple of aliens that
> I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
> aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
> bases have a commander?
>I would say unlucky. In one base the first Snakeman I encountered was
>the Commander. The two in the control room were Leaders.
>Sadun
I would say that you killed the commander. Commanders take an active part
in defence of the alien base. Make sure who the aliens are (by mind probing
or psi) before killing any of them.
Soon Lee
Russ Brown
: commander. Since getting the Solution, I've taken two alien bases, one
: Snakeman, one Muton, and haven't found a Commander. In the Snakeman base
: there were two Snakeman Leaders; in the Muton base there wasn't even a
: leader (that I spotted). In both cases there were a couple of aliens that
: I killed before I could mind probe them. Have I just been unlucky, and the
: aliens I killed must have been the commander? or is the case that not all
: bases have a commander?
I've had a much easier time getting commanders from alien battleships. Just
blast a hole in the top level and send in threee or four troopers with
flying suits and stun launchers. There's usually a commander walking around
up there somewhere, but don't bunch up your troopers - he's got a blaster launcher.
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Philip Hobson
I have been reading with great interest all the news about AOD. I
have the game Silent Service II which I think is fantastic. I am
wondering whether I need to get AOD if I already have Silent Service.
Please can someone let me know what the differences between the 2 games
is - That is which is the better game and WHY? Has anyone been able to do
a comparision?
Thanks in advance
Phil
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Anthony Mak
: >Sadun
: Soon Lee
i think everybase have a commander amd most of the commander carry a
small luncher or a fusion luncher.--
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John A. Limpert
: Please can someone let me know what the differences between the 2 games
: is - That is which is the better game and WHY? Has anyone been able to do
: a comparision?
I've played both games. The two major differences that I have noticed
are the effectiveness of enemy ASW forces and the information
available to the submarine commander. Japanese ASW is pretty pathetic
in SSII. Historically, the Japanese never put much effort into their
ASW. In AOD, ASW technology (RADAR, HF/DF, ASDIC) is a major
factor. In SSII campaign mode I would usually survive the war if I
didn't do something stupid. I haven't been able to make it past 1942
in AOD at 100% realism. Attacking a convoy is dangerous and it gets
more and more dangerous as Allied ASW technology improves and the
number of escorts increases. Several times I have been killed after
getting pinned down by three destroyers. At 100% realism in AOD you
don't get the location of nearby ships on your charts while
submerged. You see sound bearings on the chart but you don't know the
range, heading, and speed. You do hear the escort's screws when they
make a depth charge run. Both games feature dud torpedoes but I have
found that getting a good setup is more important in AOD. I quickly
found that "down the throat" attacks on escorts were suicidal in
AOD. In SSII, I would do an end-around, submerge, and attack as the
convoy passed by. Evading the escorts was pretty easy. In AOD it is
alot harder to approach a convoy without getting noticed by an
escort. It is also tougher to figure out the convoy's zig-zag plan.
The estimates of target heading and speed can be quite inaccurate.
The number of unescorted ships drops quickly as the war progresses.
You are stuck with attacks on increasingly well defended convoys.
I haven't survived long enough to participate in a wolf-pack attack.
That is something that didn't happen very often in the Pacific so
SSII didn't bother simulating it. I have played all of the PC
submarine simulations and AOD is one of the best.
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jo...@clark.net
Nai-Chi Lee
Anthony Mak <sha...@jolt.mpx.com.au> wrote:
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>i think everybase have a commander amd most of the commander carry a
>small luncher or a fusion luncher.--
Every base EXCEPT for a Mutton base. There is no such thing as a Mutton
Commander or even a Mutton Leader. Muttons are bred to be dumb soldiers.
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Darren R. Davis
The few sectoid commanders I have ran into were carrying a heavy plasma rifle.
Darren
scott david orr
>Philip Hobson (phi...@bnr.co.uk) wrote:
>convoy passed by. Evading the escorts was pretty easy. In AOD it is
>alot harder to approach a convoy without getting noticed by an
>escort.
their gunfire was far too accurate (i.e., after they saw you, they almost never
missed, whereas in real life, on one occasion, a submarine charged around in
the middle of a convoy in clear visibility for 30 minutes or so without being
hit--the submarines low visibility, comined with radical manuevering and the
understandable confusion of the Japanese--made worse by the U.S. sub's two
wolfpack partnesrs attacking on the edges of the convoy, made this possible
even though the sub was sighted by at least some of the Japanese ships at all
times). Because escorts can see sbus so easily, histrocially accurate attacks
(that is, surface attacks) are basically impossible, and attacks that didn't
work historically (night periscope attacks--the visibility wasn't good enough,
so subs didn't actually do this until the introduction of periscope radar) are
encouraged.
>I haven't survived long enough to participate in a wolf-pack attack.
>That is something that didn't happen very often in the Pacific so
>SSII didn't bother simulating it.
Actually, after 1944 wolf-packs were teh norm rather than the exception for
U.S. in the Pacific--in fact, after a while wolfpacks even carried Commodores
on the flagship sub.
Scott Orr
John A. Limpert
: Actually, after 1944 wolf-packs were teh norm rather than the exception for
: on the flagship sub.
I have read about three sub "wolf packs", but they seemed much smaller
and less coordinated than the German variety.