SMAC: Yang - I hate that Commie Bastard
Michael Andress
like flies. As quick as you kill the suckers off more show up to
replace them.
And Yang is a lying, dishonable dog to boot. You can't count on him to
keep his word even if you got a pact with him.
Unless I can find him in the early game and take him out then he always
end's up kicking my ass and everyone else's too just from sheer weight
of numbers.
What's the secret?
Michael Andress
shadows
>Unless I can find him in the early game and take him out then he always
>end's up kicking my ass and everyone else's too just from sheer weight
>of numbers.
>
>What's the secret?
Eliminate Early And Often.
His weakness, I think, is tech research because of his inability to
get high effeciency. Even if he doesn't have negative effeciency,
higher techs will come slow to him. Just take him out as soon as you
see him. Sign no truce, give no warning, just take him out. Ignore
him even.
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James Gassaway
: Michael Andress were...@telepath.com wrote:
:
: >Unless I can find him in the early game and take him out then he always
: >end's up kicking my ass and everyone else's too just from sheer weight
: >of numbers.
: >
: >What's the secret?
:
: Eliminate Early And Often.
:
: His weakness, I think, is tech research because of his inability to
: get high effeciency. Even if he doesn't have negative effeciency,
: higher techs will come slow to him. Just take him out as soon as you
: see him. Sign no truce, give no warning, just take him out. Ignore
: him even.
I've heard people complain when playing Yang that making money ... oops,
"energy"... is very difficult. Perhaps probe teams backed by a large
treasury?
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The Waites
> OK! What's the secret to takin' out Yang. The damn commies people breed
> like flies. As quick as you kill the suckers off more show up to
> replace them.
>
> And Yang is a lying, dishonable dog to boot. You can't count on him to
> keep his word even if you got a pact with him.
>
> Unless I can find him in the early game and take him out then he always
> end's up kicking my ass and everyone else's too just from sheer weight
> of numbers.
>
> What's the secret?
>
> Michael Andress
Play as the Hive! Seriously .. I find a Green Democratic Hive a killer
combination to play in the game. Cosy up to Deidre and spawn like rabbits
...
AzureFlame.
Pierre Fricke
major players and a minor player, Morgan way off to the SE part of a huge
custom map. Yang was not easy, but beatable. It was particularly
satisfying to hear him scream in the "faction eradicated" video :-) .
Basically, Yang concentrated on military and duking it out with Lady,
Brother and Colonel while I was peaceful during much of the first 150-180
turns of the game. This
gave me a big lead in economic base, base improvements and I had nearly all
of the secret projects. In particular, I'd wait till he beat up on a
faction a bit, then move in and take over their primo bases, leaving him the
crumbs. So I eradicated Lady, Brother and Sister and he only got the
Colonel.
Anyway, when we both had Shard capability we started going at it (approx
turn 230). He had a military at least 2x mine, but very little Navy and
were were on a huge world (but it was mostly land).
There were two flanks: 1) with large expanse of desert between us that was
difficult to get across, so there was only minor skirmishing there...2) but
on the other flank (Lal was between us on this other side), there was lots
of action.
It was touch and go for a while as I was obviously outnumbered, but not out
teched or
certainly not out base improved. The key turning point was when I got space
orbital capabilities, put up some defense pods (and a lot of energy/mineral
things too), built 3 planet busters and turned the "hot" flank into a narrow
corridor while simultaneously
destroying 4 of his best cities. He got a minor city of mine before my
orbital defenses were up. I also raised global sea levels (both by UN and
with the eco demage from the busters). Yang had not built Pressure Domes in
a bunch of his cities and this forced him to slow down military building to
react. I also got Quantum (16 offense?) about the same time. So I had
16-10-*3 and then *4 units...He had 13-5-*2 units.....
Needless to say the tide had turned and I started pounding him with my Navy
and superior units esp airdrops (he had airdrop capability, but not orbital
capability). It was especially easy to take his once land based, now sea
cities since he had no Navy to speak of. I was heading for an Ascendance
victory and Yang became an easy mop up....however, I had to station more
troops at home and fight a non-trivial war with the mindworms right before
the end due to eco damage.
Final score 868% - Transcend, Iron Man, Abundant Life, Huge random map,
mostly land...:-)
Army No. Va.
Taki Kogoma
awa...@bigpond.com allegedly proclaimed:
>Michael Andress wrote:
>> OK! What's the secret to takin' out Yang. The damn commies people breed
>> like flies. As quick as you kill the suckers off more show up to
>> replace them.
>>
>> keep his word even if you got a pact with him.
>>
>> Unless I can find him in the early game and take him out then he always
>> end's up kicking my ass and everyone else's too just from sheer weight
>> of numbers.
>>
>> What's the secret?
>
>combination to play in the game. Cosy up to Deidre and spawn like rabbits
>...
Um. Hive are prohibited from using Democratic politics, aren't they?
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James E Sexton
attack units... bomb mines, forests, solar collectors... His forces
quickly become degraded. If I have a pact brother/sister, I sweep in,
take a city, give it to them, then provide air assistance (ZOC-mostly) as
they slug it out.
I hate taking yang's cities... they usually have nothing in them after
you seize them... now the UoP, Morgan, or the UN.... those are nice cites!
-jim
Michael Andress
A democratic, green Yang - now tha't interesting.
Michael Andress
The Waites wrote:
>
> Play as the Hive! Seriously .. I find a Green Democratic Hive a killer
> combination to play in the game. Cosy up to Deidre and spawn like rabbits
> ...
>
> AzureFlame.
Michael Andress
worth the risk because you end up fighting off hordes and hordes of mind worms
which really sucks.
The air drops via orbital insertion though - now that's a really great idea
which I had not as yet explored. With orbital I believe you can airdrop
anywhere, no? If so it seems like using airborne troops to capture a few large
cities could provide a beach head right in the sucker's back yard.
I'm gonna give that a try.....
Michael Andress
Pierre Fricke wrote:
<snip - a whole lot of really good stuff>
> It was touch and go for a while as I was obviously outnumbered, but not out
> teched or
> certainly not out base improved. The key turning point was when I got space
> orbital capabilities, put up some defense pods (and a lot of energy/mineral
> things too), built 3 planet busters and turned the "hot" flank into a narrow
> corridor while simultaneously
> destroying 4 of his best cities. He got a minor city of mine before my
> orbital defenses were up. I also raised global sea levels (both by UN and
> with the eco demage from the busters). Yang had not built Pressure Domes in
> a bunch of his cities and this forced him to slow down military building to
> react. I also got Quantum (16 offense?) about the same time. So I had
> 16-10-*3 and then *4 units...He had 13-5-*2 units.....
>
> Needless to say the tide had turned and I started pounding him with my Navy
> and superior units esp airdrops (he had airdrop capability, but not orbital
> capability). It was especially easy to take his once land based, now sea
> cities since he had no Navy to speak of. I was heading for an Ascendance
> victory and Yang became an easy mop up....however, I had to station more
> troops at home and fight a non-trivial war with the mindworms right before
> the end due to eco damage.
>
> Final score 868% - Transcend, Iron Man, Abundant Life, Huge random map,
> mostly land...:-)
>
> Army No. Va.
>
Andrew R. Gillett
> >> What's the secret?
> >
> >Play as the Hive! Seriously .. I find a Green Democratic Hive a killer
> >combination to play in the game. Cosy up to Deidre and spawn like rabbits
> >...
>
That's right.
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Doug Barkes
>
> Nucint the sucker - now that is very appealing but in my experience its not
> worth the risk because you end up fighting off hordes and hordes of mind worms
> which really sucks.
>
> The air drops via orbital insertion though - now that's a really great idea
> which I had not as yet explored. With orbital I believe you can airdrop
> anywhere, no? If so it seems like using airborne troops to capture a few large
> cities could provide a beach head right in the sucker's back yard.
Airdropping via orbital insertion is great. In one of my games, I was
using the University to the south, the Gaians in the middle and the Hive
spread all over the north, easily near the size of both me and the
Gaians put together. I got four drop squads (forget the exact
classification, but they were top of the line) and dropped them right
next to his HQ. Took it over, built a Psi Gate there, built one in the
middle of my cities, and started sending choppers and infantry through,
right in the heart of Hive territory. He lasted maybe 7 turns before I
crushed him (insert evil laugh).
doug
Pierre Fricke
game. But, I reduced the land corridor connecting me with Yang to a thin isthmus
as well as taking out 4 of his cities, the combo along with rising water totally
changed the strategic position to my favor.
Army No. Va.
Michael Andress wrote:
> Nucint the sucker - now that is very appealing but in my experience its not
> worth the risk because you end up fighting off hordes and hordes of mind worms
> which really sucks.
>
> The air drops via orbital insertion though - now that's a really great idea
> which I had not as yet explored. With orbital I believe you can airdrop
> anywhere, no? If so it seems like using airborne troops to capture a few large
> cities could provide a beach head right in the sucker's back yard.
>
Michael Andress
to see that one. What's it do?
Michael
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic, Taki Kogoma wrote:
> > Um. Hive are prohibited from using Democratic politics, aren't they?
>
> That's right.
*Makes a quick edit to Hive.txt*
Says who? :-)
(Which begs the question: Is the AI "trained" to play by the default
settings, or will it use changes to the faction specs to its
advantage?)
Ian
city with a Psi-gate.
You need to have the technology Matter Transmission (Build 13)
Ian
Michael Andress wrote in message <3700EA5C...@telepath.com>...
Joseph Michael Bay
>Play as the Hive! Seriously .. I find a Green Democratic Hive a killer
^^^^^^^^^^
How'd ya do that?
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