BC3K - History of Mr. Smart's Flame War
Bill Huffman
When the archives are discussed, that is a reference to
http://www.access1.net/huffman/archives.
PRE-HISTORY YEARS (before BC3K)
The very beginnings of this story have never been chronicled for
Derekology. I assume that Derek Smart was born. Come to think of it
I believe that Mr. Smart has even admitted to being born.
(A Derekologist must learn to be very careful because, any truth or
fact may be denied or lied about no matter how obvious it might seem
at the time. e.g., the agreement that Derek's lawyer made that was
to lead to the removal of my web page was later denied by Derek)
Note: these very early years are based entirely on Mr. Smart's word.
If you're a derekologists, you should know what that means.
-Mr. Smart was born to a British mother and an American father.
Mr. Smart's mother was white and his father was black. When
it's mentioned that Mr. Smart appears black, he always seems to
point out "I come from a mixed origin, I am proud to be whatever
I am, black, white or mixed." (posted 5/9/97)
-The American father (now deceased) was career US military.
-Mr. Smart grew up in England (and still has a very pleasant
British accent).
-Mr. Smart as a kid was a computer hacker, writing computer viruses.
(I'm not making this up. Derek actually said this.) This activity
foretold the future and predicted BC3K, the biggest virus ever
produced! Pictures of some buddies that participated in this
early hacker activity with him were distributed by Derek in the
Exposed Years.
THE EARLY YEARS (before BC3K release)
The main source for this section THE EARLY YEARS (before BC3K release)
is the 11 page story at the end of the BC3K manual.
-When Mr. Smart was in London he started working on his game
1988-1989.
-Mr. Smart admits he had no PhD at this point in time. (see Mr.
Smart's
Anthology Of A Flamewar - The Last Dance)
-Mr. Smart moved to the USA in 1989.
-In October 1992, Derek signed with BC3K's first publisher. In a post
made before Interplay was announced as a distributor, Mr. Smart said
that BC3K had a total of 4 publishers (IIRC).
-By January 1993 the publisher (Intracorp?) had dropped BC3K.
-By March 1993 another publisher had picked up and dropped BC3K.
-In early 1993 Derek came out with BC3K demo 3.0. The manual is
available in the archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/93demoManual.txt
Derek says, "The purpose of this demo is to ensure that GALCOM
operatives remain confident that this program will be worth the wait.
A whole bunch of features have been disabled such as trading, docking,
personnel deployment etc." It seems this is a ploy to claim that
unimplemented code was just "disabled". It serves Mr. Smart well
over the years.
-A new publisher (Mission Studios) picked up BC3K and lots of work
was done and paid for. But, it was dropped again by the end of 1994.
This began the search for another publisher to pay off Mission
Studios and to cover the rest of the development.
-On May 10, 1995 Three Sixty Pacific announced that they'd signed
with Mr. Smart to complete BC3K, here's one poster's reaction
(archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/ANewPublisher.txt)
"After seeing the huge demo about a couple years ago (about 12 meg
or so in many pieces) and all the hype in the readme's, it has made
me wonder why anyone will pick it up at all. The game just really
stunk."
editorial note: You have to hand it to Mr. Smart, he is persistent
and determined. It's just too bad that such fine attributes have
been wasted producing such a sad example of gaming. I think it might
point out a major Mr. Smart weakness, a lack of objectivity that
leads to lots of other problems including an inability to execute
to expectations that he has set.
-360 Pacific didn't last long, by August 1995 Take2 had picked up BC3K
and paid off Mission Studios.
-August 1995 Take2 announced "Yes, BC3000AD has been in
development for a long time (o.k. a really, really long time), but the
game is in Beta now and it WILL be worth the wait."
-December 15, 1995 Derek announced "THE RELEASE DATE OF
BATTLECRUISER:3000AD HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TO JANUARY 15TH 1996."
(see archive/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/BC3KTardiness.txt) This
post is also the earliest post I've found where Mr. Smart claims
a PhD.
-2/12/96 is the first date I've found for Derek posting on the
Usenet. Prior to that, he posted very frequently on AOL and I
think also on Compuserve. Most of the posts in these forums have
been lost except for some much later posts salvaged by Fthx that
are available in the archives. There's also a few that were
cross posted to Usenet by someone else, like the example directly
above. However, there's plenty of evidence that the flame war was
going on in AOL, at least, before it spilled over into Usenet.
Since it was pay by the minute and in it's very own forum, the
flaming was relatively mild and sporadic.
-2/16/96 was Mr. Smart's first flame on Usenet, "Here we go again.
What's the matter with you people." Only a mild one but, a first is
a first.
-2/21/96 was Mr. Smart's first Derekism spoken on Usenet,
"Give me more credit than I am due." The most famous Derekism
today is probably, Some people have even questioned my insanity.
But, I never doubt.
-Sometime before May 1996 Mr. Smart suffered some personal trauma
or sadness when his wife left him. He said it was because of
time and effort he'd put into BC3K.
-April-May 1996 After Mr. Smart botched the agreed upon release,
Take2 demanded that, if the effort was to continue then,
responsibility for BC3K would be brought in house.
-June-Sept 1996 Derek had signed the contract agreeing to give
control to Take2 but, he didn't cooperate. From Derek's own words,
it appears he fought them every step of the way. He didn't cooperate
in modifying the game to fit into the agreed upon schedule. He
didn't cooperate with his development team's decisions or direction.
He even worked on a different build than the rest of his team worked
on. In a following quote from Derek, he even admits that his build
had a whole bunch of fixes in it that were not in the Take2 build.
Why hadn't Derek released his fixes to his development team's build?
He instead played "chicken" with Take2, assuming they wouldn't go
through with the planned deadline if their build was too pathetic
unfortunately, he was wrong.
-September 1996, Mr. Smart allegedly attacked a coke machine at
Take2 when he was told Take2 was releasing the game anyway.
Allegedly, security had to escort Mr. Smart off the premises.
see archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/CGWarticleCoke.txt
A curious note, Mr. Smart still says he didn't find out that
they really shipped until he went and bought his own copy. I
don't know why he likes to say this unless, he was so convinced
that they wouldn't do what they had always said they were going to
do, that he didn't believe it until he actually went across the
street from his home and bought a copy of BC3K for himself. If
that's the case then, it's just another example of the amazing
blind spots that Mr. Smart can suffer from due to his lack of
objectivity.
note: In the following months you could always "trigger" Mr. Smart
by mentioning the "Coke" incident.
-October 1996 Take2 released BC3K as an incomplete game. My guess
is that Take2 went through with the release in large part because
Mr. Smart had not cooperated with the BC3K development team and
Take2 didn't see any other choice except walking away and taking
a big lose on the whole deal. I speculate that, part of the rational
for their decision could have also been that Derek told them he had
a build with many of the problems already fixed. I think that this
overall interpretation is the same conclusion reached by Dean
Gordon in his review of the flame war pointed to in
http://www.access1.net/huffman. Derek vehemently objected to this
interpretation then, he put out his story at the end of the manual
that seems to completely support the hypothesis that he had been
very uncooperative with Take2 and his own development team.
THE PATCH AND MANUAL MONTHS (after release but, before exposure)
-At this point most of the flame war was still not out on Use-net. The
main topic was of course problems trying to get the game to run and to
get a manual so the game could be played. However, foreshadowing the
great fraud discoveries involving Derek, there was the ACAS insanity.
ACAS was a web site that claimed to be an independent computer game
Award company and supporter of the gaming industry. The months of
11/96 and 12/96 involved some fun threads where it seemed to become
obvious to everyone that ACAS was some kind of front for Derek.
-This was the start of the "Blame It on Take2" phase of the
Flame War. Mr. Smart would blame almost everything on Take2.
-During this period the flame war topics were primarily about
Derek blaming everything on Take2,
patches not being done as promised,
manual not being available as promised,
general flames being fired back and forth,
-Mr. Smart did his best to get people to buy and keep the
DOA game. October 1996 when Usenet posts were just
starting to make it look like the game might be total junk,
Derek posted. "Once the patch is released it WILL solve 99%
of these problems because 50% of them were already solved in the
version that did not make it to master. It was sitting on the
Take2 BBS while the company gave the team some days off!! They
shipped v199z when v199z.4 (I think) was sitting on the Take2
BBS. The MASTER version was to be v1.00a. The patch will clearly
display the versions as we go along."
-November 12, 1996 Derek posted (on AOL)
"RE:patch d
This patch will be a major patch which marks (a) the completion of
the game's missing features, ie orbital flight model, probe ORBSCAN
logic and fixes several bugs in the space and surface models. Any
problems found with the version will be fixed and a final BC3K
v1.1 will be released at the END of November."
see archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/ClassicMrWoody.txt
note: The D patch actually came out in October 1997. Version
1.1 was renamed to 2.0 and is being released by Interplay as
a bargain bin title packaged with another game.
-As I understand what went on in AOL and Compuserve, Mr. Smart was
a laughing stock and the center of the flame war in these forums.
The main body of the flame war moved from AOL and Compuserve into
Usenet during this period as the AOL and Compuserve forums were
discontinued and Derek modified his posting habits. However, some
input from some folks that actually observed the AOL or Compuserve
exchanges would be very appreciated. This is interesting for two
reasons. First, it further establishes this flame war as the biggest
and longest in history. Second, Mr. Smart seems fond of the
misconception that the flame war was about Take2 botching the
release of the game. You may reference the following directory
for posts that were made to Usenet but indicate to me the flame
war was going strong before it ever moved to Usenet.
archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997
-12/96 As an example of how nasty it was getting, someone started
up a thread titled 'Derek buttfucks sheep'.
-As the flame war moved to Usenet, the flame war topics were centered
around things like where is the promised FAQ? Where is the promised
manual? Derek blaming everything on Take2. Derek claiming that he
didn't get paid by Take2. (A report filled by Take2 with a federal
overseeing agency contradicts this.) Derek insulting customers.
Derek insulting bystanders. Derek proving he could be a most
entertaining fellow, at least when he didn't want to be. Derek
claiming he warned people the game wasn't playable from the
beginning. Derek saying he only flames in self defense. Derek
telling his customers in Europe they wouldn't be supported then
denying he ever said that.
-1/97 Most of the threads were about the horrible reviews that
BC3K received.
-2/97 After a big lull in the flame war because people just
weren't that interested in the crappy game and the initial
outrage at being ripped off had died done, Derek moves his
flaming to Use-net starting this month and the Use-net flame
war really starts to pick up steam.
-2/97 The C4 patch meant the game was kind of playable. The problem
now was that there was no manual. Most of the complaints were
now about the manual and really dedicated fans were starting
to drop like flies. Also, because of record returns, many
places had BC3K in the bargain bins already.
-2/16/97 Mr. Smart said, "I would like to assure you AND give you my
personal guarantee that my midnight on 3/01/97 a complete manual in
Word 7 and Adobe Acrobat format (which I am currently wrapping up)
will be online at http://www.bc3000ad.com/Commanders_Forum/". It was
never available in Word format. A "preview" manual was available
in August 1997. The complete manual was finally made available
months later, January 1998.
-2/20/97 Mr. Smart makes some racist insults against an oriental
and all hell breaks loose. (see TOEFL posts in FamousFlames)
-2/97 Derek's best quote of the month, "Again, let me apologize
to all orientals who were offended by my post. The rest of you
can kiss my ass if you think I'm racist."
-2/97 & 3/97 This was also the wonderful pre-Europe release period.
During this period, Mr. Smart firmly established Derek bashing as
an international pass time. There were brief periods of time he
said the European release wouldn't be supported. He said the
European release would be dud units and you wouldn't be able to
patch them with his patches. For some reason he seemed to be
especially hostile to the earliest European customers and managed
to recruit a number of long term naysayers.
-3/16/97 Derek had a run in with some magazines. In particular one
magazine (Boot) even printed an article where experts stated that
the neural net in BC3K was a lie. This caused Mr. Smart to go off
the deep end and in email, threaten physical violence against the
author. As part of Derek's on-line response, he made a post in which
he waved his PhD in their faces and said that if they wanted more
detail about how it worked, they should have looked up his
dissertation because, it's published and available. He said they
should do their homework, it avoids so many hassles latter. This
proved important later as Derek's biggest known lie, his PhD,
started to unravel. see
archives/1DerekHistory/1PostPhDFraud/1FraudAnthology/Post01DoYourHomework.txt
-3/97 Derek's best quote for month, "It does NOT need support because
it works!"
-In this early period of 1997 a statement that Mr. Smart allegedly
made in the AOL forum that he had spent 3.5 million dollars of his
own money developing BC3K made it into the Usenet record via a
thread involving Mark Asher, Derek Smart and someone else.
On 2/22/1997 Derek said, "If they think, this game has not cost me
$3.5 over the past 7 years, someones got a faulty Pentium chip in
their brain."
-4/97 Derek had established himself as a real nut and there was
getting to be more flames about Derek than about BC3K. The C5
patch was delivered without the promised manual. The manual
became a VERY touchy subject. It had replaced coke machines as
the easiest why to get Derek to explode.
-4/97 Derek's best quote of the month, "The best defense is a
crippling, definitive and unceremoniously cruel offense. After
all, I am under military command and I don't plan on running
for diplomatic office."
-5/97 Derek's top quote of the month, "Is it me or are you just
oozing with stupidity? The BC3K fame directed at US the gaming
community for crying out load. Do I have to spell it out for you?
Yet YOU can tell ME I have a communicating problem? I least
when I lay it on you, you seem to understand quite well what I'm
saying. Go figure."
-6/11/97 Derek was saying he could re-release BC3K on his own if he
wanted to. Where would he get the million to do this? "I can raise
a close to a million in a week if I did the paperwork. ...
Besides, I don't need a million to publish BC3K."
-6/14/97 Derek said, "I got a $175k loan back when I didn't even have
BC3K 25% finished. I'm still paying off this loan if you must know."
-6/97 Derek's best quote for the month, "Perhaps one day in the
future, I'll do a manual. But for now, I'm too busy doing add-ons
for an unstable and still partially unfinished game to worry about
something as trivial as a manual."
-During this period, Mr. Smart hatched his pay for the final patch
plan. After overwhelming cries of foul from customers, Mr. Smart
eventually reconsiders.
-Summer 97 The C5 patch was done in April apparently in preparation
for the demo in the CGW. This sparked some good laughs. Among them
was a Derek statement that CGW was having an extra big problem with
CD thefts out of the mag because people wanted BC3K so bad. Another
episode was a Derek statement that CGW messed up the patch he gave
them and someone from CGW posted the exact email directions from
Derek and he had messed up the directions.
-8/6/97 Derek posts what is probably the most vile post I've ever
seen, the infamous piss in mouth flame.
see archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1FamousFlames/PissInMouth.txt
This lead to me wondering if there might be a way to rid the news
group of this scourge. I thought that Mr. Smart was possibly a
pathological liar. I remembered someone from my past with that
affliction. I learned I couldn't trust a word they said. When they
made a statement that put them in a favorable light, I could almost
count on it being a lie. Previously, I'd noticed that Derek had
not responded to queries about his PhD. That had always seemed
strange to me because I'd rarely seen him pass up a chance to brag.
But, I had always just dismissed it as maybe Derek just didn't see
the post. However, at about this same time, Derek had responded
to a medical doctor that had asked about his PhD. Derek said,
"What's it to you? Still struggling with your high school
diploma????" (see
archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1CustomerService&PR/MDRequestsPhDInfo.txt)
Putting it all together, I concluded that his PhD was probably fake.
-8/8/97 I fire the first volley in the PhD wars.
I say that I believe the PhD is probably a fake and I challenge
Mr. Smart to name his school. For good measure, I threw in some
old fashion goading to make sure he didn't just ignore the post
then, I leave for a two week vacation.
see archives/1DerekHistory/1PostPhDFraud/phdWarFirstVolley.txt
note: the source for all Derek Smart posts in the following stuff
up to Derek Smart Fraud Day is
archives/1DerekHistory/1PostPhDFraud/1PhDFraudAnthology
-8/9/97 Derek responds with a bet to my challenge. I'm sure he
was hoping to distract the whole issue with this red herring bet.
Another thing that made this day interesting in the flame war is it
is the day that Derek stopped calling his flame war antagonists
naysayers and started calling them detractors.
-8/22/97 I guess all the stress of wondering whether his fraud would
be exposed got to Derek? Or, maybe he thought he could get rid
of the rest of the detractors by flaming? In any case, his posts got
even more vicious. It got to be so bad that this day was declared to
be the first official "DEREK-SMART-SAYS-FUCK-YOU DAY".
-8/25/97 I return from vacation and I'm excited to see what I
interpret to be, a Derek running scared and I'm convinced, more
than ever, that Mr. Smart is a fraud. After barely being able to
survive the uncontrollable laughter due to Nai-Chi's FAQ, I shrug
off Derek's bogus bet, state why I believe that Derek doesn't have
a PhD and say "I will promise to never again post an article to a
Derek Smart or a Battle Cruiser thread again if your PhD is confirmed.
My last Derek Smart post would be a public apology for calling you
a habitual liar."
I then visited the technical librarian at my work and asked her to
get me a copy of Mr. Smart's dissertation. All I told her was that he
went to a school in the USA or England and that his dissertation was
on Artificial Intelligence. When she stated that it would cost about
$75 to get a copy, I told her, "Well, let's take a look at the
abstract
first before we decide to order it." I then chuckled to myself.
THE EXPOSED YEARS (after Mr. Smart's PhD fraud is exposed)
-8/26/97 I hear back from the librarian that the dissertation can't
be found. She says that she should have found the dissertation.
She says she will look and see if he's ever published anything.
I posted a message to Usenet that there was now verifiable
evidence that Mr. Smart didn't have a valid PhD.
Later that day, I get the following email from the librarian.
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Subject: Dissertation-Smart
Bill,
Here is where I have searched besides the Dissertations Abstract
Online and Sci Search.
UMI- both on line and telephone
IEEE and IE(UK) database from1988 forward. Doesn't seem he has
written anything for those pubs.
ACM Guide to all ACM Pubs. no luck
OCLC online nothing no books, dissertation, or papers
Stanford Technical papers database
Cambridge UK Technical papers database.
If he would tell you the university where he did his paper I could
get it. I have a funny feeling he has not done one yet and possibly
he doesn't even like to write since I can't find anything.
I will keep thinking where else I could look, but for the moment the
outlook isn't very positive.
Sorry I could not find it for you.
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I especially enjoyed the part "I have a funny feeling he has not done
one yet". It was her diplomatic way of trying to say she didn't think
he really had a PhD. (I confirmed this in a later conversation.)
-8/27/97 The first, the original "DEREK SMART FRAUD DAY", this is
the day that Derek's fraud became obvious to the general ng reader
because there were multiple people that posted they couldn't find
his dissertation and he changed his story from "it's published and
listed" to "in submitting the BC3K code for copyright, the entire
thing is suppressed." After a post by Fthx (IIRC), I realized that
it all meant that Mr. Smart was a fraud. There was much gloating,
crowing, laughter and rejoicing. Derek said he was going away and
wouldn't be back until BC3K 2.0 was on the shelves.
-9/19/97 Derek starts posting to the newsgroups again. To everyone's
surprise he's still tagging a PhD after his name.
This is were the 3/16/98 post came back to haunt Derek. After he
started posting again, people got on his case about his PhD. He
claimed it was all suppressed and that his school was too personal
to mention the name. When they brought up the fact that he had said
it was published and listed he lied and said that he had said that
just to send me off on a wild goose chase. He had apparently
forgotten about the 3/16 post or was hoping it wouldn't come up.
To this day he still sticks to this story and just ignores the fact
that the 3/16 post was ever made.
-10/1/97 Derek lies, "when I left, I said that I would be back once
D patch out." He said he would be back in a week, indefinitely and
when BC3K 2.0 was on the shelves but, never mentioned the D patch.
-10/3/97 Derekology is established as a bona fide and real academic
study at a renowned accredited university that can't be named
because it is too personal. This raised Derekology up out of the
gutter and made it the great intellectual pursuit that it is today.
Many PhDs in Derekology have been bestowed, since. THIS IDIOT,
DEREK CAN'T OFFER PROOF THAT DEREKOLOGY DOESN'T EXIST.
(Note the all caps above is a satire of a quote of Derek's in the
presentation of Mr. Smart's PhD fraud.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/PhDFraud)
-10/6/97 Derek was back to his old flaming ways.
-10/97 & 11/97 This period was the killfile follies. Derek claimed
he killfiled all the detractors. Yet, he asked supporters to send
him copies of detractor posts so he could respond to them and he
sometimes just responded without asking for a copy first.
-Early 12/97 BaZ sees an old claim made by Derek on Fraud Day that
he has a Novell Certificate. So he calls Novell and finds out that
if it were true he should have been in their records but, he wasn't!
This triggered one of the funniest episodes in the flame war. Derek
sent copies of his alleged Novell Certificate as will as some other
stranger pictures. In one Derek brags that it is of him and some
buddies that wrote a computer virus. This also triggered another
hilarious episode where Derek claimed his Mercedes convertible had
EXTRACTED roll bars.
-12/97 Derek SPAMs the ng. Derek started posting huge copies of past
posts in response to things he didn't like. He then blamed his
spamming on the detractors!
-12/97 The top Derek quote of the month was, "Listen buttfuck, if
any game was released incomplete, it too would*need* to be patched
in order to make it work. Now, go back to fucking your mother,
now that you're done with yoursister."
-February 1998 Apparently, in a bold and desperate attempt to get
someone interested in re-releasing BC3K, Mr. Smart makes BC3K a
freeware title. One fun thread was proof that Derek got paid a
huge sum of money by Take2. This was funny because Derek had said
that Take2 had stiffed him and he hadn't gotten paid.
We are now entering the period of the flame war where Mr. Smart
hires a lawyer to join in on the fun. The full text of the email
exchanges with the lawyer and me are available in
archives/1DerekHistory/1PostPhDFraud/1BashersForJustice
Note: Mr. Smart had threatened lawsuits against many people
on Usenet. This was the first time he actually got a lawyer to
make additional threats for him (AFAIK).
-3/12/98 Derek declared that he was going to sue the detractors
and silence the opposition's side in the flame war. As it turns out,
Derek's threats proved to be nothing more than an attempt to use the
legal system as a scare tactic to squelch free speech and the truth
on the Internet. This is in Part2a.txt in the above directory.
-3/16/98 Fthx (I assume) and I both received emails from Eric
Rotbard, Derek's attorney. Fthx chose to ignore it. I understand
that he wrote one letter to the AOL attorney and that was the
end of that. (He used AOL to store his BC3K archives on the web.)
I responded and cooperated fully with Mr. Rotbard. It was quickly
agreed that we would use a third party lawyer to validate the PhD.
However, that is as far as we ever progressed. This is in Part2a.txt
in the above directory.
-3/17/98 Dan Brooks a fanatical Derek supporter (who claims he's not
a Derek supporter) gushed out 41 euphoric posts on just this one
day because he's so thrilled that Derek is finally going to crush
his antagonists.
-3/28/98 In email, Derek's lawyer tried to pass off a bogus diploma
as being equivalent to a real PhD. I didn't fall for it and said that
checking to make sure of accreditation is not tangential to the
issue. It is the issue. This is in Part4a.txt in the above directory.
-4/27/98 Eventually, Derek reneged on the deal after it became
obvious that I was going to require that a check for school
accreditation be done.
I believe that in Mr. Smart's last email to me he threatens severe
physical violence. Here's my protest to the lawyer. Note, the all
capitalized words are Derek's capitalization not mine.
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It seems that he is threatening possible illegal action against
me with his statement, "I WANT to teach Huffman a lesson and
NOTHING is going to stop me from doing it." and his statement
"I'm only interested in destroying him. Period." This could
very easily be interpreted to mean that not even the law is going
to stop him and he doesn't even care if he goes to prison as
long as he destroys me.
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From my perspective, at this point in time Mr. Smart had exhausted
all legal avenues to get me to take down my web page. When he says
NOTHING is going to stop him from destroying me, the only thing it
can mean is severe violence (e.g., murder or arson)? This is in
Part8a.txt in the above directory.
-By 5/28/98 I'd updated the web page to include another firmly
established fact to the existing 3 other firmly established facts.
"FACT 4: Derek's lawyer did not produce proof of a PhD.
(Derek reneged on an agreement that would have removed this page.)"
see http://www.access1.net/huffman click on the link to PhD Fraud.
-5/28/98 I made the following magnanimous offer to Mr. Smart.
"Note to Derek: If you publicly admit in this newsgroup that
your "alma mater" was not accredited, my offer to you that I will
take down my PhDFraud web page and put up a DegreeMill (or something)
web page is still good. Or, if you publicly name your "alma mater"
then, I offer to take down my web page and not put up another.
These offers are being made in the spirit that the truth should
prevail!"
Mr. Smart's response was the non-sequitur "You, my friend, will
*NEVER* get a free ticket out this unless you walk away - in defeat.
... I - will - make - you - pay. This, I promise." (The only way
it makes sense to me as a response is if in fact he was and is
threatening physical violence.)
-7/23/98 (on or about) It was announced that Interplay would
distribute BC3K 2.0 (AKA BC3K 1.1 and BC3K Developers Edition)
as a budget bin title for $20. Later it became $15 for a
Star Trek title and BC3K both on the CD together.
-8/27/98 In honor of the first anniversary of Derek Smart Fraud
Day, I presented the Web page dedicated to Truth, Justice and
the Derek Smart Flame War, Anatomy of a Flame War at
http://www.acceess1.net/huffman
-September 1998 Mr. Smart says he released the final version to
Interplay QA for final testing.
-10/13/98 Mr. Smart brags about being a member of Mensa as proof
that he really has a PhD when he says, "Most of them could never
fathom that someone like me who has worked for most major companies
around the globe (including IBM, Novell, Compaq, to name a few), a
member of MENSA (yes, I am. Let them go check) while I was in the
UK, a holder of two prior degrees, a wall of certificates and
diplomas *and* with cutting technology and superiority in various
aspects of my career, could possibly earn a Ph.D. in Computer
Science." Someone calls Mensa and finds out that Derek apparently
lied about being a member of Mensa! This spawned a whole bunch
more very funny posts.
Daniel Evans
significant during the 11/96 to 12/96 period on usenet. In fact it was
raging and some days represented 80% of posts to the group. During
that period no one came out supporting DS and there weren't any calls
to stop because the readers of the groups in 96 were aware of DS's
spamming and wanted him out. His supporters show up later(mostly
in December but a couple were there in November). DS's supporters
came from readers, who were not reading the group in late summer
and fall '96. They did not see the horrible behavior DS committed
during this period. The example I see in the FTHX and Huffman
archive don't pay justice to the mean spirted posts DS made to his
customers who politely asked simple questions about installing the game
(which was the main problem out of the box. Buyers couldn't even get
the game running to see how buggy it really was).
Many threads such as these dominated the CSIPGS group:
The review of the box also many vaporware threads
Which is better the cd or the box(the cd won because it could be used
as a weapon like a frisbee, but some designs for box weapons were
presented)
The class action lawsuit
The coke files
DS getting drilled during the late summer and early fall for spamming the
group with release date promises
DS getting hammered by programmers because his mythical AI logic
algorithms didn't make sense(lots of buzz words used incorrectly)
DS couldn't figure out how to filter the group
Why was DS posting so much instead of patching the game
Unfortunately Dejanews didn't completely archive the group's postings
until winter '97.
One other interesting point is that the group was overwhelmingly
supportive of DS in the beginning. We wanted BC3K to be great.
It was a highly anticipated game during a time when alot of games were
looking like vaporware(Dungeon Keeper, Falcon 4.0, etc.). The soon
to be released BC3K was touted as the most sophisticated game ever
released. The problem was simply: how good could a game be that
wouldn't even install. DS single handedly turned the group against him.
Another point is that Lester from Impressions posted in the group at the
same time. He took it on the chin about the poor track record of Impression's
games from that period. He took alot of garbage like a man and listened to
his customers. Now look at the quality of games that Impressions puts out.
Good work David.
Daniel
PJL
:To clarify a point. In the history it is stated that the
There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which feature
some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
Any one still have that? Please send me a scan of it, I would
love to read some of the pre release hype.
Some one also compared two versions of the display box, noting
how the dimensions had changed and stuff like that. The BOX
was all there was for a long time.
I tell you my impression of the 'early days.' It was almost
surreal the way DKS dug his own grave by posting in a Jeckle
and Hyde manner. Oh, excuse me, I ment Dr. Jeckle.
Or he would post a version control file with HUNDREDS of bugs.
The amazing thing is, was he even playing the game? If anyone
should have known that the game was not ready for release it
was him. Just recently he made changes to weapon specs and the
battlecruiser handling. 2 years later and he's doing play
balancing.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////
Daniel Evans
PJL wrote:
> There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which feature
> some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
> Any one still have that? Please send me a scan of it, I would
> love to read some of the pre release hype.
> Some one also compared two versions of the display box, noting
> how the dimensions had changed and stuff like that. The BOX
> was all there was for a long time.
> I tell you my impression of the 'early days.' It was almost
> surreal the way DKS dug his own grave by posting in a Jeckle
> and Hyde manner. Oh, excuse me, I ment Dr. Jeckle.
> Or he would post a version control file with HUNDREDS of bugs.
> The amazing thing is, was he even playing the game? If anyone
> should have known that the game was not ready for release it
> was him. Just recently he made changes to weapon specs and the
> battlecruiser handling. 2 years later and he's doing play
> balancing.
>
I forgot about the ad thread. Wasn't there a problem with the model
notgetting paid? Didn't Derek say the model was his girlfriend?
Daniel
PJL
:
:
:PJL wrote:
:
:> There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which
I don't remember, but someone said she made every other model
look like a witch, no wait, that was something else.
One other funny thing about the box is the screen shot of the
bridge view. It has the upper third as the outside view and
the bottom 2/3 displays. It looks just like flight simulator!
I wonder if BOX 2.0 will have a screen shot of PERSCAN.
What will the ad campaign say now?
7 years in the making and 2 years in the patching!
Some people have questioned it's playability, but to me there
is no doubt.
You will be amazed, at best.
The last update you will ever Desire!
Better than Outpost 2.
Full manual included. Really! Honest!
The rib-crushing developer's edition.
Coupon enclosed for $1 off your next 6 pack of Coke.
Socks not included!
Includes extracted CD ROM holder!
CD is Whamo approved for use as indoor Frisbee.
Has FBI seal of approval.
Latest patch available NOW!
Free customer service available at c.s.i.p.g.s.
Flame retardant box
Return postage guaranteed
Interplay QA approved (the same folks you brought you Decent
into Undermountain)
Includes bonus ACM mission 'Assault on the Huffman Empire'
0% Take 2 code!
Uses AILOG code, the groundbreaking AI system surpressed at
universities worldwide.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////
:
:Daniel
:
:
Bill Huffman
Daniel Evans <evans_danie...@lilly.com> wrote:
>To clarify a point. In the history it is stated that the flame war was not
>significant during the 11/96 to 12/96 period on usenet. In fact it was
>
> DS getting hammered by programmers because his mythical AI logic
> algorithms didn't make sense(lots of buzz words used incorrectly)
>
> DS couldn't figure out how to filter the group
>
> Why was DS posting so much instead of patching the game
>
>Unfortunately Dejanews didn't completely archive the group's postings
>until winter '97.
>
>One other interesting point is that the group was overwhelmingly
>supportive of DS in the beginning. We wanted BC3K to be great.
>It was a highly anticipated game during a time when alot of games were
>looking like vaporware(Dungeon Keeper, Falcon 4.0, etc.). The soon
>to be released BC3K was touted as the most sophisticated game ever
>released. The problem was simply: how good could a game be that
>wouldn't even install. DS single handedly turned the group against him.
Excellent! information, I'll include this on the web page with the
longer history until (ever) I have time to update the history. This
is exactly the kind of information that I was hoping we'd get to make
it more complete.
Gary Hladik
[snip]
>What will the ad campaign say now?
>7 years in the making and 2 years in the patching!
>Some people have questioned it's playability, but to me there
^^^^^^^^^^^
>is no doubt.
Shouldn't that be UN-playability, to be more in keeping with Dr. Smart's
original "insanity" quote? :-)
[snip rest of hilarious ad]
Gary
Virgo
> PRE-HISTORY YEARS (before BC3K)
> The very beginnings of this story have never been chronicled for
> Derekology. I assume that Derek Smart was born. Come to think of it
> I believe that Mr. Smart has even admitted to being born.
WRONG ! Smart was 'spontaneously generated from the Black Ether Hole'.
He truly is a 'space baby'
> Note: these very early years are based entirely on Mr. Smart's word.
We know that the 'murky' years <the years before the Huffman Age of
Enlightenment <the proper acronym is HALO> of the BCK saga is still
riddled in mystery and intrigue
>
> -When Mr. Smart was in London he started working on his game
> 1988-1989.
>
You missed some crucial information here. Apparently, Mr. Smart was the
man who sold Bill Gates on the idea of purchasing the Digital Research
MSDOS license. Also, Mr. Smart was THE inventor of the Xerox Windowing
system, and the Motorola 68x chip. At this point, when he was still a
diaper clad teenager <he was a whiz at programming but had some troubles
with toilet training>, Smart thought up a KEWL game called
BATTLECRUISER. OF course, since he was smarter than the garbage man, he
couldn't tell anyone of his prophetic vision. He had to wait 20 years
until the technology caught up with his vision.
>
>
> -In October 1992, Derek signed with BC3K's first publisher. In a post
> made before Interplay was announced as a distributor, Mr. Smart said
> that BC3K had a total of 4 publishers (IIRC).
Derek Smart is most famous 'to those in the know' for inventing the
Computer Publishing industry. So, in a sense, he had many more than 4.
If you visit his lush offices in the alleys of Miami where his Mercedes
is parked next to the Dade County Soup Kitchen, you will see his
diplomas lauding his accomplishments in creating such industry giants as
Electronic Arts.
> -By January 1993 the publisher (Intracorp?) had dropped BC3K.
>
Not true. Derek told them to keep their pennies and walked out.
> -By March 1993 another publisher had picked up and dropped BC3K.
Not true Huffman. Watch your 'facts.' Smart was having an affair during
this period with a sexy red Coke Machine.
>
> -In early 1993 Derek came out with BC3K demo 3.0. The manual is
> available in the archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/93demoManual.txt
> Derek says, "The purpose of this demo is to ensure that GALCOM
> operatives remain confident that this program will be worth the wait.
> A whole bunch of features have been disabled such as trading, docking,
>
> personnel deployment etc."
What about :
Gameplay? Install routine? Graphics? Marines? Mouse Support ? Operating
system support?
> -On May 10, 1995 Three Sixty Pacific announced that they'd signed
> with Mr. Smart to complete BC3K,
and they soon went bankrupt.
> "After seeing the huge demo about a couple years ago (about 12 meg
> or so in many pieces) and all the hype in the readme's, it has made
> me wonder why anyone will pick it up at all. The game just really
> stunk."
An excellent quote. You misunderstand the context, however. He was
referring to Derek's 'game' of farting during important meetings.
>
> editorial note: You have to hand it to Mr. Smart, he is persistent
> and determined.
So are maniacs, lunatics, fiends, and foreign despots.
>
> -August 1995 Take2 announced "Yes, BC3000AD has been in
> development for a long time (o.k. a really, really long time), but the
> game is in Beta now and it WILL be worth the wait."
Typical. Derek writes a great game, but Take 2 screws up the release
info. When Derek signed his contract, he said it would be ready in 2006,
NOT 1996.
>
> -December 15, 1995 Derek announced "THE RELEASE DATE OF
> BATTLECRUISER:3000AD HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TO JANUARY 15TH 1996."
> (see archive/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/BC3KTardiness.txt) This
> post is also the earliest post I've found where Mr. Smart claims
> a PhD.
His credibility was running thin at this point and he needed to bolster
his ego.
>
> -2/12/96 is the first date I've found for Derek posting on the
> Usenet. Prior to that, he posted very frequently on AOL and I
> think also on Compuserve.
Of course he did ! He was the managing partner of both those firms ! Of
course, his tax returns for those years are framed in his office, but
the IRS never heard of him.
>
> -2/16/96 was Mr. Smart's first flame on Usenet, "Here we go again.
> What's the matter with you people." Only a mild one but, a first is
> a first.
Very much like a small pebble rolling down a mountain that starts an
avalanche.
>
> -2/21/96 was Mr. Smart's first Derekism spoken on Usenet,
> "Give me more credit than I am due." The most famous Derekism
> today is probably, Some people have even questioned my insanity.
> But, I never doubt.
No, the best is 'a Great Moment in the Anals of Gaming'
>
> -Sometime before May 1996 Mr. Smart suffered some personal trauma
> or sadness when his wife left him. He said it was because of
> time and effort he'd put into BC3K.
I thought he had a new covergirl babe around this time?
>
> -June-Sept 1996 Derek had signed the contract agreeing to give
> control to Take2 but, he didn't cooperate. From Derek's own words,
> it appears he fought them every step of the way.
Yes, he truly is a great leader and inspiration to his teammates.
> He even worked on a different build than the rest of his team worked
> on.
Of course ! You think Smart would let anyone see his amazing ability in
Fortran ???
> In a following quote from Derek, he even admits that his build
> had a whole bunch of fixes in it that were not in the Take2 build.
> Why hadn't Derek released his fixes to his development team's build?
> He instead played "chicken" with Take2, assuming they wouldn't go
> through with the planned deadline if their build was too pathetic
> unfortunately, he was wrong.
BULLSHIT ! Search Dejanews ! Smart is saying as late as July 96 how
awesome the game will be, and how it will be released in OCtober ! I
thought you had a Derekology PHD???????
>
> -September 1996, Mr. Smart allegedly attacked a coke machine at
> Take2 when he was told Take2 was releasing the game anyway.
Alleged? I paid $25000 at a Christies auction for that most famous of
Coke Machines. If it was only alledged, I got ripped <of course, the
teeth marks on the machine could have been put their by Smart's pet dog
Dan Brooks>.
> Allegedly, security had to escort Mr. Smart off the premises.
They tossed him out on his ear.
> A curious note, Mr. Smart still says he didn't find out that
> they really shipped until he went and bought his own copy.
Yea. right. I am also peddling the Brooklyn Bridge.
> -October 1996 Take2 released BC3K as an incomplete game. My guess
> is that Take2 went through with the release in large part because
> Mr. Smart had not cooperated with the BC3K development team and
> Take2 didn't see any other choice except walking away and taking
> a big lose on the whole deal.
Correct. However, by this time Derek was raking in the bucks from his
modifications to the NASA HUBBLE TELESCOPE DEEP SPACE ARRAY camera
<Derek was searching for the Ego Hole from which he was spawned>, and
didn't need the money anyway.
> "RE:patch d
> This patch will be a major patch which marks (a) the completion of
> the game's missing features, ie orbital flight model, probe ORBSCAN
> logic
Yeah, Derek gets lots of PROBE ORSCANS up his butt every night. I can't
see the logic in it though.
The D patch actually came out in October 1997. Version
> 1.1 was renamed to 2.0 and is being released by Interplay as
> a bargain bin title packaged with another game.
IF it ever comes out you mean. Be careful, or Crafty Dan will find a way
to make your words look like something Twisty Dan might say. Remember,
Stiffy Dan is always cruising for a good time.
> -As I understand what went on in AOL and Compuserve, Mr. Smart was
> a laughing stock and the center of the flame war in these forums.
Be careful. The man is Legend in his Own Mind. If you upset him, you
may find yourself on the wrong end of a blistering attack of mousse
warheads and vapid lawyers.
>
> -As the flame war moved to Usenet, the flame war topics were centered
> around things like where is the promised FAQ? Where is the promised
> manual? Derek blaming everything on Take2. Derek claiming that he
> didn't get paid by Take2. (A report filled by Take2 with a federal
> overseeing agency contradicts this.) Derek insulting customers.
> Derek insulting bystanders. Derek proving he could be a most
> entertaining fellow, at least when he didn't want to be. Derek
> claiming he warned people the game wasn't playable from the
> beginning. Derek saying he only flames in self defense. Derek
> telling his customers in Europe they wouldn't be supported then
> denying he ever said that.
>
Where do you think Skillful Dan learned his trade from? Of course Derek
needed to instruct Acolyte Dan. Such training as Dutiful Dan received
takes years, and costs millions of pennies.
> -2/16/97 Mr. Smart said, "I would like to assure you AND give you my
> personal guarantee that my midnight on 3/01/97 a complete manual in
> Word 7 and Adobe Acrobat format
Yes. This was Derek's greatest Faux Pas, IMHO, greater than his
fraudulent PHD. He was shown to be a WILLFUL liar whose only skill is in
deception, scamming, and instrucing neophyte Hypocrites.
> -2/20/97 Mr. Smart makes some racist insults against an oriental
> and all hell breaks loose. (see TOEFL posts in FamousFlames)
Derek himself FATHERED the entire Asian race, and invented the TOEFL
test to keep out some of his hideous brood. So he was entitled to his
remarks. Visit his shack in the worst part of Miami, and you will see
his Family Tree in his delicate frame. He would send it to you if it
woudn't break.
>As part of Derek's on-line response, he made a post in which
> he waved his PhD in their faces and said that if they wanted more
> detail about how it worked, they should have looked up his
> dissertation because, it's published and available. He said they
> should do their homework, it avoids so many hassles latter. This
> proved important later as Derek's biggest known lie, his PhD,
> started to unravel. see
This is a lie. Derek had a bet with Casino Dan that no one could find it
since he had the only record of it in his tiny cubicle in Miami.
> -In this early period of 1997 a statement that Mr. Smart allegedly
> made in the AOL forum that he had spent 3.5 million dollars of his
> own money
WRONG HUFFMAN! It was his mom's money !
>
> -5/97 Derek's top quote of the month, "Is it me or are you just
> oozing with stupidity? The BC3K fame directed at US the gaming
> community for crying out load. Do I have to spell it out for you?
> Yet YOU can tell ME I have a communicating problem? I least
> when I lay it on you, you seem to understand quite well what I'm
> saying. Go figure."
ROFL ! This is one that even Obfuscating Dan can't decipher without his
BCK Decoder Ring !
>
> -6/11/97 Derek was saying he could re-release BC3K on his own if he
> wanted to. Where would he get the million to do this? "I can raise
> a close to a million in a week if I did the paperwork. ...
Sure. He could easily send another note begging his parents for the
cash.
> see archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1FamousFlames/PissInMouth.txt
> This lead to me wondering if there might be a way to rid the news
> group of this scourge. I thought that Mr. Smart was possibly a
> pathological liar. I remembered someone from my past with that
> affliction. I learned I couldn't trust a word they said. When they
> made a statement that put them in a favorable light, I could almost
> count on it being a lie. Previously, I'd noticed that Derek had
> not responded to queries about his PhD. That had always seemed
> strange to me because I'd rarely seen him pass up a chance to brag.
> But, I had always just dismissed it as maybe Derek just didn't see
> the post. However, at about this same time, Derek had responded
> to a medical doctor that had asked about his PhD. Derek said,
> "What's it to you? Still struggling with your high school
> diploma????" (see
> archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1CustomerService&PR/MDRequestsPhDInfo.txt)
> Putting it all together, I concluded that his PhD was probably fake.
>
> -8/8/97 I fire the first volley in the PhD wars.
And you will probably fire the last.
--
VIRGO
"A sublime state of being is always being right"
Virgo
<snip>
ROFL !
Dave Whiteside
er...@look.headers.net (Erik) wrote:
> When asked the question: Habla ingles? on Tue, 3 Nov 1998
11:36:05
> -0500,
> PJL said:
>
> >There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which
feature
> >some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
> >Any one still have that? Please send me a scan of it, I
would
> >love to read some of the pre release hype.
> <snip>
>
> Some months ago I posted it in alt.binaries, but I can't
find it now.
> But fear not, there's a version of it in here:
>
>
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/depart/feb98/bc3k90.jpg
>
> There are some differences with it and the one I had,
mine said "She
> really wants it" at the top but had no panties. :-)
> Anyone can say which one is legit?.
>
They both are - this was one of a set of ad's that really
sparked off some advertising trouble in the UK. They
[whoever they are] said the original one was too provocative
and had to air-brush in some panties. The model is Jo Guest.
Dave
Whoever lays a hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a
tyrant,
I declare them my enemy.
[Zounds]
PJL
:Bill Huffman wrote:
:
:> PRE-HISTORY YEARS (before BC3K)
:> -2/21/96 was Mr. S---t's first Derekism spoken on Usenet,
:> "Give me more credit than I am due." The most famous
Derekism
:> today is probably, Some people have even questioned my
insanity.
:> But, I never doubt.
:
:No, the best is 'a Great Moment in the Anals of Gaming'
The exact quote is:
"BC3K works - prevailed - is still here - one solid dent in the
anals of gaming."
DKS 6/7/98
Are you going after Digital Dan's record of most posts in a
day?
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////
Daniel Evans
Dave Whiteside wrote:
> They both are - this was one of a set of ad's that really
> sparked off some advertising trouble in the UK. They
> [whoever they are] said the original one was too provocative
> and had to air-brush in some panties. The model is Jo Guest.
Isn't Jo Guest a much smaller gal than the one in the pic. Jois a VERY
petite model.
Daniel
Virgo
> The exact quote is:
> "BC3K works - prevailed - is still here - one solid dent in the
> anals of gaming."
> DKS 6/7/98
>
> Are you going after Digital Dan's record of most posts in a
> day?
YES !
Actually, I have been in our Paris office for much of the last few
months, and just caught up on like 300 bck posts !
>
> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> Pat Lundrigan
> ///////////////
Derek Smart
Daniel Evans wrote in message <364333D5...@lilly.com>...
*plonk*
--
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
Battlecruiser:3000AD
www.bc3000ad.com
"The man who follows the crowd will usually get no further
than the crowd. The man who walks alone is likely to find
himself in places no one has ever been. Someone lemme out!"
"Oh yeah....my opinions are my own and do not reflect those
of my publisher. They passed up the publishing rights."
Dave Whiteside
evans_danie...@lilly.com (Daniel Evans) wrote:
>
>
> Dave Whiteside wrote:
>
> > They both are - this was one of a set of ad's that really
> > sparked off some advertising trouble in the UK. They
> > [whoever they are] said the original one was too provocative
> > and had to air-brush in some panties. The model is Jo Guest.
>
> Isn't Jo Guest a much smaller gal than the one in the pic. Jois a VERY
> petite model.
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
If we are talking about the same ad then Jo is the one... Sat on chair,
legs spread, BC3k box sat in front of the bush.
Gary Hladik
>In article <364333D5...@lilly.com>,
>evans_danie...@lilly.com (Daniel Evans) wrote:
>> Dave Whiteside wrote:
>>
>> > They both are - this was one of a set of ad's that really
>> > sparked off some advertising trouble in the UK. They
>> > [whoever they are] said the original one was too provocative
>> > and had to air-brush in some panties. The model is Jo Guest.
>>
>> Isn't Jo Guest a much smaller gal than the one in the pic. Jois a VERY
>> petite model.
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>If we are talking about the same ad then Jo is the one... Sat on chair,
>legs spread, BC3k box sat in front of the bush.
Maybe it's just a VERY small box. The BC3K box, I mean. :-)
Gary
Dave Whiteside
wrote:
:)
no I think it was quite large - in those days BC3k had not yet been
released so all the press was favourable....
Mats Georgson
Jeffrey Willis <jswi...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<365a6f64...@news.mindspring.com>...
<Snip>
> >
> >Oh yea! Well I worked on the pile of dog shit in my back yard
> >for 8 years. I gave up on it when I saw the pile of horse shit
> >the stable down road had. It had to be at least 8 feet tall.
> >They even put a sign out in front of it that you weren't allowed
> >to steal any of it. (That part is true.) Maybe we should exchange
> >shitty stories, for old times sake. :-)
Heh -
B.S. = BullShit
M.S. = More Shit
Ph.D. =Piled Higher and Deeper
Now I know the background to the alleged Ph.D. fraud thingy!
//Mats
Bill Huffman
Jeffrey Willis <jswi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Bill, I just have to say this... you are one helluva persistent person. I
>went through some archives I had of various saved usenet posts when I saw
>this one (and it's not the first!). It took me a moment to realize just
>exactly how long you've been after Derek & BC3K.
The trip is what is fun. Where it is headed is unkown and secondary.
>I'm wondering if you remember this particular thread? It's dated October
>21st, 1996:
>
>In article <<54gs3k$f...@huffmanpc.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM>,
>Bill Huffman <huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> wrote:
>
>>In article <5425jj$k...@guyana.earthlink.net>,
>>Silverlock <cro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>... stuff snipped
>>>
>>>Thats flat out stupid Todd, Its a game for gods sake!!
>>>Although the idea of respecting a person for standing up for
>>>their product is good you have to choose your targets based on WHAT
>>>they are standing up for. To give you an example I have been
>>>working EXTREMELY hard for the last 7 years building a heap
>>>of dog shit in the backyard. I've toiled over it everyday and I've
>>>stood up to the people in my neighborhood who say its bringing down
>>>property values and its stinking up the area. I'm proud of my heap
>>>and one day it'll be in the Guiness book of world records as the
>>>largest dungpile in the world. Then I'm going to charge people 60
>>>dollars to get their pictures taken sittingon top of the largest dung
>>>pile in the world. Since I am standing up for what I believe in
>>>will you respect me too and come get your picture taken...I'll
>>>even lower the price to 50 Dollars for you? This isn't a comment
>>>on BC3000, I haven't played the game, don't own it etc. This is a
>>>comment on your statement and its apparent blindness.
>>
>>Oh yea! Well I worked on the pile of dog shit in my back yard
>>for 8 years. I gave up on it when I saw the pile of horse shit
>>the stable down road had. It had to be at least 8 feet tall.
>>They even put a sign out in front of it that you weren't allowed
>>to steal any of it. (That part is true.) Maybe we should exchange
>>shitty stories, for old times sake. :-)
Yes, the reference to the pile of horse shit was true, it reminded me.
BTW, the pile is long gone. It was such a great sign in front of that
huge pile. It cracked me up every time I drove by. Do you think they
had security guarding the pile at night?
Gary Hladik
[snip]
>Yes, the reference to the pile of horse shit was true, it reminded me.
>BTW, the pile is long gone. It was such a great sign in front of that
>huge pile. It cracked me up every time I drove by. Do you think they
>had security guarding the pile at night?
Maybe they were actually trying to get rid of it, and the "DO NOT STEAL"
sign was reverse psychology. If the pile is "long gone," maybe it
worked! :-)
Gary
Dan Brooks
Bill Huffman <huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM> wrote in message
news:73eonl$r...@si611.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM...
Riboflavin
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Excellent! Thank you!
>
>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>LOL
BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
--
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Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart
PJL
:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Excellent! Thank you!
:
:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
:LOL
It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
in '96. Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
--
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////
Riboflavin
>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>:On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Babbling Brooks"
>:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>:
>:>Excellent! Thank you!
>:
>:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>:LOL
>
>It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
>in '96. Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!
(BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
posted have had that post in the first place?)
BP
wrote:
>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Excellent! Thank you!
>>
>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>>LOL
>
>BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
Why you are most welcome, sir
BTW your post was excellent as well
*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken
Riboflavin
BP wrote in message <365c426b...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:27:56 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>
>>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
>>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Excellent! Thank you!
>>>
>>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>>>LOL
>>
>>BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
>>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
>Why you are most welcome, sir
Certainly, and thank YOU for another excellent post! I wish Dan would make
some more excellent posts for balance!
>BTW your post was excellent as well
*blushes* Thanks, BP, I'm not used to this sort of praise!
>*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken
Oh yeah? Well:
_..-@********@-.._
(@@@****~~~~~~****@@@)
(@@****~~~~~~~~~~~~****@@)
(@***~~~~~~PLONK~~~~~~****@)
(@@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~***@@)
(@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**@)
(~*****~)) ((~*****~)
`-****' | | '****-`
| |
__| |__
/~~~~~~~~~~\
\~~~~~~~~~~/
| |
___ | | ___
____(~~~\( )/~~~)____
(~~~********************~~~)
huf...@my-dejanews.com
"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> PJL wrote in message <73h1q6$qee$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
> >:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >:
> >:>Excellent! Thank you!
> >:
> >:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> >:LOL
> >
> >in '96. Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
>
> Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!
>
> (BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
> posted have had that post in the first place?)
I just have to say how thankful I am for Hypocrite Dan's obsession. It is
so wonderful having a detracter of my very own. Now I can really appreciate
all the special moments that Mr. Smart must have had all these years.
For example, last night as we were thankfully shopping for or Thanksgiving
groceries that would make up our Thanksgiving meal, I burst out laughing.
Of course, my wife (who I'm very thankful for) wanted to know what was so
funny. I started to try and explain that there is this Derek Smart
supporter named Dan Brooks and she interrupted me with a laugh and said
"What idiot would support Derek Smart?" It just goes to show you why I'm
so Thankful to have such an intelligent insightful wife.
> --
> Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
> Remove the pants from my email address to reply
> "As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
> want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart
>
>
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"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> BP wrote in message <365c426b...@news.mindspring.com>...
> >On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:27:56 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Excellent! Thank you!
> >>>
> >>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> >>>LOL
> >>
> >>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
> >Why you are most welcome, sir
>
> Certainly, and thank YOU for another excellent post! I wish Dan would make
> some more excellent posts for balance!
>
> >BTW your post was excellent as well
>
> *blushes* Thanks, BP, I'm not used to this sort of praise!
>
> >*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken
>
> Oh yeah? Well:
>
> _..-@********@-.._
> (@@@****~~~~~~****@@@)
> (@@****~~~~~~~~~~~~****@@)
> (@***~~~~~~PLONK~~~~~~****@)
> (@@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~***@@)
> (@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**@)
> (~*****~)) ((~*****~)
> `-****' | | '****-`
> | |
> __| |__
> /~~~~~~~~~~\
> \~~~~~~~~~~/
> | |
> ___ | | ___
> ____(~~~\( )/~~~)____
> (~~~********************~~~)
Shouldn't the plonk be at the source of the explosion rather than
in the cloud? Don't get me wrong. I was very thankful for the
fun graphic and I'm especially thankful for the laughter it brought.
I'm very thankful for everyone's post and would like to extend
a special thank you to my very own obsessed detracter Hypocrite
Dan. I'm especially thankful for the many hypocritical statements
he's made that have given me extended special humor. e.g.,
---------------------------------------------------------
From: "A Hockey Nut" <sp...@budweiser.com>
Subject: Re: Contact all NG jerks' employers now!
Date: 25 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
...
Bullshit. I have not, and will not, contact either a person's ISP or
employer, short of a real physical threat having been expressed. You
apparently feel differently, and I say you are an ass for that reason
(though I could think of many more).
...
And I have not contacted anyone's employer or ISP. You?
...
I'll make this plain for you. I think your position, as *you* stated, and
which stands without further clarification, is completely and utterly
disgusting. To trash any sense of usenet etiquete and common decency and to
say that you feel you should be able to send usenet posts to some flamewar
opponent's employer in order to do harm if you simply feel "justified" is
bottom-of-the-barrel sludge.
-------------------------------------------
Thank you SLUDGE Dan!
jsch...@yahoo.com
huf...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <73h3n5$dk4$4...@camel15.mindspring.com>,
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > PJL wrote in message <73h1q6$qee$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
> > >:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >:
> > >:>Excellent! Thank you!
> > >:
> > >:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> > >:LOL
> > >
> > >in '96. Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
> >
> > Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!
> >
> > (BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
> > posted have had that post in the first place?)
>
> I just have to say how thankful I am for Hypocrite Dan's obsession. It is
> so wonderful having a detracter of my very own. Now I can really appreciate
> all the special moments that Mr. Smart must have had all these years.
>
> For example, last night as we were thankfully shopping for or Thanksgiving
> groceries that would make up our Thanksgiving meal, I burst out laughing.
> Of course, my wife (who I'm very thankful for) wanted to know what was so
> funny. I started to try and explain that there is this Derek Smart
> supporter named Dan Brooks and she interrupted me with a laugh and said
> "What idiot would support Derek Smart?" It just goes to show you why I'm
> so Thankful to have such an intelligent insightful wife.
>
She is walking from magazine also. No I think so. :)
j.schlaap
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thomas....@gmail.com
Rin Stowleigh
wrote:
>Damn and the guy is still trolling to this day...
provides ongoing goodies.
Yeah, "Doctor Smart" is somewhat of a national treasure. Or maybe I
should say a treasure trove of entertainment.
In his defense, I do believe he is intelligent enough to realize his
ability to stay relevant as a shit-stirrer is far more valuable than
his skills as a game designer/developer ever were.
He's made an entire career out of creating bad games and trolling
about them.
It's kind of a unique, almost impressive skill set if you think about
it.
alr...@comcast.net
vladimir...@gmail.com
> This is golden. I never realized how big a fraud he is until I read all this. Thank you!