BC3K: Derek's "Notification" to Bill Huffman and other stuff
Jonathan Dalton
I'm not questioning whether he lies or now, because I don't really care -
I'm questioning the amount of free time you guys have to dedicate finding
out everything wrong with DS. So what if he did x or y? Do we REALLY want to
know on this NG? You people are really pathetic.
jon
>on the 4/7/99 Derek shat on Usenet:
>
>"As for Bill, he should be getting a nice little notification in the
>mail soon. Which is why I have been silent. Couldn't happen to a
>better person. I warned him."
>
>Well Bill, have you received this notification yet from Derek "Kook"
>Smart?
>
>After lurking and laughing at Derek for a while, I have come to the
>following conclusions.
>
>When Derek lookeds back on his life, what has he succeded in actually
>completing?
>
>1/ The release of a game that was unplayable when it was released
>
>2/ To have been caught lying numerous times on usenet (Dan and
>Derek of course deny this, but that is just another lie. Derek refuses
>to answer the question "Why he said the wrong version was released,
>and the correct version will be released in a week or two". He also
>refuses to answer the question why he lied about his "doctorate" being
>able to be found on the Internet
>
>3/ The software version of the game still does not do everything
>that it is supposed to do 2 years after its release, and Derek refuses
>to answer the question "When will it be finished, and all the features
>promised work?
>
>4/ Despite the full forces of Planet Derek, including His "crack"
>legal team, the FBI with Agent Nick, and Super Dan (more commonly
>known by his nom de plume as "Sycophant Dan) Derek has been unable to
>stop people pointing out his inconsistencies, lies, bullshit and
>general untruths about the game (software version) and the Game
>(Usenet version). The full power of Planet Derek appears impotent
>against Truth.
>
>5/ Everyone knows thongs are worn on your feet. (Hey, perhaps
>that is why Derek Kook Smart appears so rabid sometimes, it cannot be
>too comfortable having a thong shoved down the front of your trousers,
>especially when you sit down, it could really get nasty if it got
>tangled up down there!)
>
>6/ How long does someone have a fiancé for? Most people marry
>their fiancé, or is his waiting for the game (software version) to be
>finished?
>
>7/ So poor Derek, looking back on the past 8 years has:
>
>a) Spent a lot of his mum's money on a game that doesnt work properly
>b) Gone through more publishers than he has had hot dinners
>c) Having a lot of people laughing at his attempt to claim academic
>credentials he didnt earn
>d) Is still unable to work a kill filter, or ensure that there is one
>on his mums neighbours hairdressers sons mates dads computer that
>Derek just happened to pick up to use.
>e) Been unable to close Bills Website
>f) get the DA to jail everyone who disagrees with Derek, or even looks
>like they might disagree with Derek. (The FBI, IRS, NCR,CIA, MI5, ASIO
>are also included in this)
>g) Get everyone in the whole world to call him Supreme Commander, bow
>down and worship him (yes Dan, we all know you do this)
>
>Anyway, that is my rant for the day.
>
>ps. What is it with people in the USA who think the threat of a
>LAWYER, or being SUED will shut everyone up who points out the
>absurdities of their behaviour/posts on Usenet? This reminds me so
>much of little kids at school saying "My dad will come around and beat
>your dad up"
>
>Hey, Derek, I hope your chooks turn into emu's and kick your dunny
>down.
Ted L. Chen
really want to be heard but have some respect for the other people on this
newsgroup and go back to [Re: BC3K - What is WRONG with you people?] That
way, anyone who isnt' interested doesn't have to keep track of ignoring 100
threads.
Ted
ross <ro...@eagles.com.au> wrote in message
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Rasta Kyle
<snip>
>ps. What is it with people in the USA who think the threat of a
>LAWYER, or being SUED will shut everyone up who points out the
>absurdities of their behaviour/posts on Usenet? This reminds me so
>much of little kids at school saying "My dad will come around and beat
>your dad up"
>
<snip>
I'll answer this one......because people can and do sue other people
and force them to incurr a shitload of cost defending themselves.
If you think it funny to have to plunk down $2000 - $3000 dollars
then you are in the minority. US laws are really screwed up in this
area. If you have bucks and want to make someone REALLY
miserable, and have some sort of case, it's the thing to do.
George/USA
wrote:
>On Sat, 1 May 1999 17:49:10 +0100, "Jonathan Dalton" <us...@neptune.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I'm not questioning whether he lies or now, because I don't really care -
>
>Then, why are you here?
>
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic
*plonk*
Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372b757c....@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
US laws aren't screwed up enough to have Derek win in this case. You should
understand the difference between loopholes and stupidity.
I'm still watching you.
*plonk*
*plonk*
Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372bb101....@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
>>"*plonk*" <pl...@energomash.ru> wrote:
[sniplonk]
>>>I'll answer this one......because people can and do sue other people
>>>and force them to incurr a shitload of cost defending themselves.
>>>If you think it funny to have to plunk down $2000 - $3000 dollars
>>>then you are in the minority. US laws are really screwed up in this
>>>area. If you have bucks and want to make someone REALLY
>>>miserable, and have some sort of case, it's the thing to do.
>>
>>
>>US laws aren't screwed up enough to have Derek win in this case. You
should
>>understand the difference between loopholes and stupidity.
>>
>>I'm still watching you.
>>
>>*plonk*
>
>He doesen't have to win.....just force someone to have to opny up a
>bunch of coin to defend themselves. That's not right, just the way it
>is.
But it would never get to the stage where Bill would have to pay for a
defense. The only person that is experiencing a loss of coin is Derek's
mother. This has been going on for years. Ask yourself how much money you
think Bill has lost? Now ask yourself how much money Derek's mom has lost?
I have heard of prisoners suing the state because they don't get enough
peanut butter packets at dinnertime. This seems more reasonable than Derek's
lawsuit.
If I were Derek, I'd sue my thong manufacturer for producing a product that
is clearly too tight and as a result causes behavioural problems. It's like
having something sqeezing your nuts 24 hours a day. It's enough to drive a
person insane.
*plonk*
Rasta Kyle
>
>Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372b757c....@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
>>>ro...@eagles.com.au (ross) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>ps. What is it with people in the USA who think the threat of a
>>>LAWYER, or being SUED will shut everyone up who points out the
>>>absurdities of their behaviour/posts on Usenet? This reminds me so
>>>much of little kids at school saying "My dad will come around and beat
>>>your dad up"
>>>
>><snip>
>>
Bill Huffman
>Well Bill, have you received this notification yet from Derek "Kook"
>Smart?
No, I've received nothing. I wasn't expecting to receive
anything. Derek, seems to look at his PhD fraud problem as a
problem to be solved today or tomorrow. He just wants to get
past whatever the current problem immediately facing him is.
His statement about "the last straw blah-blah-blah" seems to
be said for a specific audience. The last time he did it was
for the consumption of the dumbshits at an on-line magazine
that I'm not going to honor by naming. They wrote a review of
BC3K and referred to Derek as doctor.
Like I've done for previous reviews, I emailed them asking
them to remove the doctor. ALL other on-line mags have
corrected this error in their reviews after they realize the
truth. These unnamed folks aren't even interested enough in
the truth to respond to an email. Anyway, I believe that
Derek posted that nonsense about a notification coming in the
mail for their consumption but, it really had nothing to do
with reality.
>After lurking and laughing at Derek for a while, I have come to the
>following conclusions.
...snip excellent and very reasonable conclusions...
>6/ How long does someone have a fiancé for? Most people marry
>their fiancé, or is his waiting for the game (software version) to be
>finished?
As I've said all along, I personally doubt that he really
had a fiance. (He claimed a fiance almost two years a go.)
--
Bill Huffman, PhD in Derekology,
ignoramus supremus and asshilarious
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>
> No, I've received nothing. I wasn't expecting to receive
> anything. Derek, seems to look at his PhD fraud problem as a
> problem to be solved today or tomorrow. He just wants to get
> past whatever the current problem immediately facing him is.
> His statement about "the last straw blah-blah-blah" seems to
> be said for a specific audience. The last time he did it was
> for the consumption of the dumbshits at an on-line magazine
> that I'm not going to honor by naming. They wrote a review of
> BC3K and referred to Derek as doctor.
>
> Like I've done for previous reviews, I emailed them asking
> them to remove the doctor. ALL other on-line mags have
> corrected this error in their reviews after they realize the
> truth. These unnamed folks aren't even interested enough in
> the truth to respond to an email. Anyway, I believe that
> Derek posted that nonsense about a notification coming in the
> mail for their consumption but, it really had nothing to do
> with reality.
>
> had a fiance. (He claimed a fiance almost two years a go.)
>
Bill, this is where I've start to come to some really strange
conclusions about this whole ordeal. Derek Smart is not a real
person. It's all part of a secret government experiment, titled
project thongman. This experiment has served a couple different
agendas. First and formost, at least two members of c.s.i.p.g.s-s,
c.s.i.p.g.s, and a.g.bc3000ad are sending top secret information
over the newsgroups, carefully hiding their secret messages within
what appears to be a real message. Only someone who knows how to
decypher it can read the real message. Where Derek comes in, is
the disturbance created by his presence, blurring the groups with
posts related to him, making it harder to pay attention to anything
else. The second real purpose is to see how much of a liar, fraud,
jerk, and dolt a person can be, and how much credibility they can
retain. This also tells them how quick a persons credibility can be
recovered. I believe Bill Clinton may have access to these findings.
Haven't you people ever wondered how any human being could be such
a complete lying sack or Dan, such a blatant fraud, and such a
complete dolt? They can't. Derek Smart is a well trained
psychologist, who play's this persona. The game was created to be
intentionally buggy, and near unplayable. The government needed two
programmers well adapted to making buggy software, so they hired two
ex-microsoft programmers to do the job. Both Take 2 and Interplay
have been payed heafty chunks of cash to take part in this experiment.
Although the source that disclosed this information to me are not sure,
they believe that as many as four flamewar participants may be part of
the experiment. It is now believed that FTHX's and Baz's departures may
really be linked to them wanting to tell the world. There's even more
to this sick plot against humanity, This experiment is a test of by
governments to see how they can manipulate what we think by making us
detest one side of an issue. I can only hope for the sake of all that
is good, that you are not part of this conspiracy as well, Bill.
Typhon
> >their fiancé, or is his waiting for the game (software version) to be
> >finished?
>
> had a fiance. (He claimed a fiance almost two years a go.)
>
Ted L. Chen
your psychiatrist for not dealing with your "thong" issues...
Ted
*plonk* <pl...@energomash.ru> wrote in message
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>
> Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372bb101....@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
> >>"*plonk*" <pl...@energomash.ru> wrote:
>
>
> [sniplonk]
>
> >>>I'll answer this one......because people can and do sue other people
> >>>and force them to incurr a shitload of cost defending themselves.
> >>>If you think it funny to have to plunk down $2000 - $3000 dollars
> >>>then you are in the minority. US laws are really screwed up in this
> >>>area. If you have bucks and want to make someone REALLY
> >>>miserable, and have some sort of case, it's the thing to do.
> >>
> >>
> >>US laws aren't screwed up enough to have Derek win in this case. You
> should
> >>understand the difference between loopholes and stupidity.
> >>
> >>I'm still watching you.
> >>
> >>*plonk*
> >
> >He doesen't have to win.....just force someone to have to opny up a
> >bunch of coin to defend themselves. That's not right, just the way it
> >is.
>
>
Ted L. Chen
> >Well Bill, have you received this notification yet from Derek "Kook"
> >Smart?
>
> anything. Derek, seems to look at his PhD fraud problem as a
> problem to be solved today or tomorrow. He just wants to get
> past whatever the current problem immediately facing him is.
> His statement about "the last straw blah-blah-blah" seems to
> be said for a specific audience. The last time he did it was
> for the consumption of the dumbshits at an on-line magazine
> that I'm not going to honor by naming. They wrote a review of
> BC3K and referred to Derek as doctor.
>
> Like I've done for previous reviews, I emailed them asking
> them to remove the doctor. ALL other on-line mags have
> corrected this error in their reviews after they realize the
> truth. These unnamed folks aren't even interested enough in
> the truth to respond to an email. Anyway, I believe that
> Derek posted that nonsense about a notification coming in the
> mail for their consumption but, it really had nothing to do
> with reality.
As the devil's advocate here (no references to Derek Smart please, it's only
figuratively) I'm gonna throw in the fact that most online gaming sites were
also flip floppy in their coverage about the ION Storm case. Some said, "of
course, we knew it all along." etc.. Some even tried to play down their
involvement with ION in hyping their products. So excuse me when I chuckle
when you use these magazines as recognition of "the truth" as you call it.
Could it be that they're afraid that it'd blow up in their faces *IF* they
support Derek Smart's claim and turns out that it was invalid.. See, I do
recognize that there is a possibility that it may be true, but so far, what
so called *evidence* there is, is far from conclusive, and continuance on
trying to claim otherwise makes this look more like the spanish inquisition
than any rational quest for the truth. Now from the gaming sites
perspective, its much safer to go along with you and call it an accidental
omission (afterall, they don't go around quoting everyone's degrees), unless
of course Derek lodges an official complaint with them. In which case,
they'll be down to the choice of having to take that *risk*.
As for the one magazine that wouldn't blindly listen to you, it's called
common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's no
hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither do
you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
attitude most of the others have.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
I'm gonna try moving it back into the original one as courtesy to the other
members of this NG. Did you really needed to make another thread dsmart666?
We already have 4 or 5 i think. Put your ego away and lets move this thing
back to where it belongs..
Psst.. now that you know, we'll have you kill you.... nothing personal you
understand.. :)
Ted
dsmart666 <~dsma...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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jac...@123.com
> I'll answer this one......because people can and do sue other people
> and force them to incurr a shitload of cost defending themselves.
> If you think it funny to have to plunk down $2000 - $3000 dollars
> then you are in the minority. US laws are really screwed up in this
> area. If you have bucks and want to make someone REALLY
> miserable, and have some sort of case, it's the thing to do.
Actually, Bill has a pretty good case against Derek. If Bill could show
that, by contacting NCR, Bill has incurred financial loss <through
possible loss of promotional opportunities> or emotional hardships <by
being contacted by Derek's attorney> then Bill could sue.
Furthermore, Bill could easily countersue Derek for a frivilous lawsuit
if this case ever came to court.
Bill has never, to my knowledge, communicated Dereks fraud via a medium
other than usenet; whereas Derek has, by contacting NCR directly.
jac...@123.com
>
> Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372bb101....@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
> >>"*plonk*" <pl...@energomash.ru> wrote:
>
> [sniplonk]
>
> >>>and force them to incurr a shitload of cost defending themselves.
> >>>If you think it funny to have to plunk down $2000 - $3000 dollars
> >>>then you are in the minority. US laws are really screwed up in this
> >>>area. If you have bucks and want to make someone REALLY
> >>>miserable, and have some sort of case, it's the thing to do.
> >>
> >>
> should
> >>understand the difference between loopholes and stupidity.
> >>
> >>I'm still watching you.
> >>
> >>*plonk*
> >
> >He doesen't have to win.....just force someone to have to opny up a
> >bunch of coin to defend themselves. That's not right, just the way it
> >is.
>
> But it would never get to the stage where Bill would have to pay for a
> defense. The only person that is experiencing a loss of coin is Derek's
> mother. This has been going on for years. Ask yourself how much money you
> think Bill has lost? Now ask yourself how much money Derek's mom has lost?
>
> I have heard of prisoners suing the state because they don't get enough
> peanut butter packets at dinnertime. This seems more reasonable than Derek's
> lawsuit.
>
> If I were Derek, I'd sue my thong manufacturer for producing a product that
> is clearly too tight and as a result causes behavioural problems. It's like
> having something sqeezing your nuts 24 hours a day. It's enough to drive a
> person insane.
>
> *plonk*
ROFLMAO !!!
*plonk*
Ted L. Chen wrote in message <7gijb4$119$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>...
>
>Hmm... I've been noticing your recent posts *plonk*....
This is a good thing.
>maybe you should sue
>your psychiatrist for not dealing with your "thong" issues...
What's truly amazing are people who try to have a serious discussion with
someone who publicly admits to wearing a thong as a fashion statement. Think
about: when Derek collected his PhD diploma, he was wearing nothing but a
thong underneath his robes. This violates every known form of morality. Now
imagine the following: snapping Derek's thong so hard that it pulverizes his
testicles into subatomic particles that exist only in the realm of
speculative physics. Or... or... oh God this is so beautiful... snapping his
thong so hard (approx 50,000N) so that it shatters his pelvis and fires the
splinters into his chest cavity.
Do you wear a thong, Mr Chen? Is that what irks you?
*plonk*
Riboflavin
>>"Typhon" <Typ...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>>It was a misprint. He meant "financier". He was referring to his mom.
>
>this? Does this information come from some credible source (some
>financial investment by said mother) or is this a lame attempt at
>humor?
>
Actually, the information on Derek's mother funding him comes from Derek
himself, so it's not exactly a reliable source. However, he's made the
statement multiple times and hasn't changed his story, so it's probably
true. That's right, Rasta, your hero is 30 something years old and still
living off of his parents. Kind of sad, really.
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"If you can put this postmodernist gibberish to music, I'll dance to it."
-Cleve on some leftist blathering
Rasta Kyle
>
>But it would never get to the stage where Bill would have to pay for a
>defense. The only person that is experiencing a loss of coin is Derek's
>mother. This has been going on for years. Ask yourself how much money you
>think Bill has lost? Now ask yourself how much money Derek's mom has lost?
>
<snip>
What does his mother have to do with this BTW.
Rasta Kyle
>
>Bill Huffman <huf...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
>news:7gi0co$4e3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
>> How long does someone have a fiancé for? Most people marry
>> >their fiancé, or is his waiting for the game (software version) to be
>> >finished?
>>
>> As I've said all along, I personally doubt that he really
>> had a fiance. (He claimed a fiance almost two years a go.)
>>
Ted L. Chen
I'm seriously afraid of you *plonk*... please take your obsession with
Derek's thong to alt.thongs.derek.obsession Thank you very much.
Ted
*plonk* <pl...@energomash.ru> wrote in message
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Rasta Kyle
>Rasta Kyle wrote in message <372cf206...@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
>>>"Typhon" <Typ...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>>>It was a misprint. He meant "financier". He was referring to his mom.
>>
>>Out of curiousity, what the hell does this guys mother has to do with
>>this? Does this information come from some credible source (some
>>financial investment by said mother) or is this a lame attempt at
>>humor?
>>
>Actually, the information on Derek's mother funding him comes from Derek
>himself, so it's not exactly a reliable source. However, he's made the
>statement multiple times and hasn't changed his story, so it's probably
>true. That's right, Rasta, your hero is 30 something years old and still
>living off of his parents. Kind of sad, really.
>--
Look Kevin, he sure as hell ain't my hero. Just a guy who wrote a
game. He deserves plenty of critisism for lots of things but how much
is enough, and why should the average strategy gamer care about his
academic credentials? (or his mother's finances...)
Rasta Kyle
>On Mon, 03 May 1999 12:18:20 GMT, ras...@mediaone.net (Rasta Kyle) wrote:
>
>>why should the average strategy gamer care about his
>>academic credentials? (or his mother's finances...)
>
>Are you only 'average', Rasta mon, or do you care about honesty ?
Sure I care about honesty, it's pointed out 1000 times what Derek
supposedly did or didn't so. Do I really care if he has a PHD? NO! One
reaps what one sows, it's his problem, not mine. There are many many
cases of games not delivering on their promises, and I LIKE the fact
that I hear about them on usenet so I can either avoid the title or
do more research. But eventually, everything's been said 1000 times.
And if his mother wants to invest in his game, why should anyone but
her accountant care? And If certain people want to cry about
dishonesty in the software industry 200 times a day, perhaps an
alt.software.dishonesty group could be created for those with an
obsession for it.
Courageous
> >>academic credentials? (or his mother's finances...)
The average strategy gamer doesn't care about
his academic credentials. We're a very unpretentious
lot; surprising, really, thinking taht we'd be
impressed by that.
C/
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>As the devil's advocate here (no references to Derek Smart please, it's only
>figuratively) I'm gonna throw in the fact that most online gaming sites were
Well for one thing, this is just *another* example of Bills lies.
Please, ask him to give the URL of *one* site/mag which changed its
review/preview to reflect what he said. Just *one*.
--
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"The man who follows the crowd will usually get no further
than the crowd. The man who walks alone is likely to find
himself in places no one has ever been. Someone lemme out!"
Derek Smart
>common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's no
>hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither do
>you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
>attitude most of the others have.
Like I said, he's lying. Every mag that he has contacted with this
crap, contacted me and forwarded his email in its entirety. I even
posted some of them here. He is a noted as a notorious kook and
timewaster. For him to think that *any* site/mag would listen to a
complete and total idiot (read:nobody) against someone like me, is not
only preposterous but also borne of the same egotistical karma that
drives Bill. Like I said, you gave him a polite response, so, ask him
again, politely, to show you proof of *one* *single* site/mag that did
what he claims as a result of anything that had anything to do with
his crusade against me. You will find that he will either (a) not
provide such proof or evidence (typical Bill) (b) he will come up with
some cock & bull excuse for not providing names etc. I for one, can't
wait to read this, so please, make sure when you respond, you clip his
excerpt for me because I have no intentions of removing him from my
killfile. I suspect that he posted that crap knowing *full* well that
I would *not* see it. Because you included it in your excerpt, I
managed to see it. Now, he has to, once again, put up. I - can't -
wait.
Rasta Kyle
>On Mon, 03 May 1999 18:14:31 GMT, ras...@mediaone.net (Rasta Kyle) wrote:
>
>>>sna...@the-clouds.net (snajper) wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 May 1999 12:18:20 GMT, ras...@mediaone.net (Rasta Kyle) wrote:
>>>
>>>>why should the average strategy gamer care about his
>>>>academic credentials? (or his mother's finances...)
>>>
>>>Are you only 'average', Rasta mon, or do you care about honesty ?
>>
>>Sure I care about honesty,
>>
>> Do I really care if he has a PHD? NO!
>
>Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?
Look, if he tells a lie about a PHD I'll be concerned for the first 10
seconds, why should I care about a PHD? If he tells me some feature
will be in a game and I pay good money for it I'll be a lot more
pissed. But either way life moves on, why would I dwell on it? Why
respond to it for years? Do you extend this extreme search for the
truth in everything? (Just curious, I honestly don't want to start
some flame war between us.).....do you check everyone's stated
credentials? Do you make sure VCR tapes are never viewed by
anyone but the taper using it for personal use. Do you check every
cassette tape to be sure the person with the recorded music has
a legal right to it and the proper royalties have been paid? What
monetary cost has Derek's so called lie (which I personally think
probably is a lie) have caused you or others? Is the eternal search
for honesty extend everywhere in life for you?
If you have answered YES to that question, I want you to run for
US President, because I am WAY more concerned about the
United States President being a complete liar. Perhaps the White House
could use such an honset person right about now.
Psycho
>Designer/Lead Developer
>The Battlecruiser Series
Many of my collegues at work are Ph.D.s. Funny thing is, none of them find
the need to put the "Ph.D" part in their signatures. Go figure.
Ted L. Chen
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Yes, you're right... Hell, go to any university and you're not going to see
the letters Ph.D. floating around aside from the library stacks.
Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group should
care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those letters
really intimidate you that much? Psycho's example alluded to the fact that
the letters themselves serve no purpose or else his collegues would append
it to everything they do. It's the task of getting the Ph.D. that defines
the person, not some acryonm appended to their title. Some would try to use
the argument that it cheapens the name... does it really? Who here got
their Ph.D's for the title? Now if someone wants to stick Ph.D. on the end
of their name, whether they deserve it or not, fine by me. I'm not
offended. If they did the work to earn it, then there's no issue. If they
didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
once, and go after them.
Ted
Riboflavin
>Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group
should
>care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real?
self-contradicting stories while saying that he doesn't care about any of
this. Really, aside from Huffman and a few others, most of the flamewar
participants don't care about Derek's PhD in any kind of deep sense, we just
find the fact that he claims a fake one funny and like to laugh at the
mindless followers that keep claiming it must be real.
> I mean for gods sake, do those letters
>really intimidate you that much?
To quote Dan, "you just don't get it, do you?"
>If they
>didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
Well, maybe you do get it. You sure didn't seem to earlier in your rant.
Typhon
officer that you did indeed have a driver's license, but refusing to allow
him to see it, or tell him what state it is from? Can you imagine claiming
an MBA when interviewing for a position, but then refusing to state which
school issued the MBA? Even at a cocktail party, if someone mentioned they
hold a PhD, and I asked where they had gone to school, and they refused to
say, I would consider their credentials to be dubious, at best.
Bill Huffman <huf...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7gluhq$coo$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> In article <7gikgf$1rj$2...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> "Ted L. Chen" <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> ...
> > As for the one magazine that wouldn't blindly listen to you, it's called
> > common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's
no
> > hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither
do
> > you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
> > attitude most of the others have.
>
> Ted, maybe you've never been in any academic environment (even though
> your "ISP" would indicate otherwise) or maybe you've just had some kind
> of brain misfunction but it is commonly accepted that when a degree
> is claimed by an individual that individual, when asked, will freely
> give further details on claimed degree. If the requested information
> is not forth coming then it's assumed that the person claimed degree
> is deserving of no further consideration.
>
> It is "common courtesy" for the claiming person to provide
> requested information. You are being totally absurd to falsely
> claim that after the requested information is not provided that
> it would be the "common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree".
> I hope that you just weren't thinking straight because I really
> have a hard time believing you could be that stupid, Ted.
>
> --
> Bill Huffman, PhD in Derekology,
> ignoramus supremus and asshilarious
> huf...@BRAINSaccess1.net (Remove the BRAINS to email me.)
*plonk*
ji...@hgea.org wrote in message <372ea313....@news.hgea.org>...
>
[snip]
>1) PhD
>2) Mensa member, strange they never heard of him.
>3) His Novell credentials which others have said that it was for a
> 2-day class.
>4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
> said there is no proof of it
>5) His claims that the game will be the last thing you ever desire,
> in it original state was a buggy, over-hyped piece of crap and in
>
> its current state it is a piece of less buggy, over- hyped old
> piece of crap.
>6) His claim that Take Two released the wrong version, which
> logically is a piece of fiction considering that it took DS 2
> years and many, many patches later to even see a somewhat working
>
> version of his original game.
>7) DS claims he has people killfiled yet he still responds.to posters
>
> that he claims he has killfiled.
>8) Claims that his game is a success now, strange concept of success
> when his game is released as a bargain basement game with only a
> few software chains carrying it and most of those chains only
> bought enough to a single copy into each store. On that basis, I
> guess every game that ever came out would be a success.
>9) DS has claimed that he would quit the flamewar numerous times but
> seems to keep coming back.
10) DS claims to wear a thong yet inside sources (notably Dan) have informed
me that Derek actually wears standard military grade Fruit-of-the-Loom
underwear that his mother procures for him.
*plonk*
Bill Huffman
> >common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's no
> >hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither do
> >you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
> >attitude most of the others have.
>
> crap, contacted me and forwarded his email in its entirety.
Not true.
> I even
> posted some of them here. He is a noted as a notorious kook and
> timewaster. For him to think that *any* site/mag would listen to a
> complete and total idiot (read:nobody) against someone like me, is not
> only preposterous but also borne of the same egotistical karma that
> drives Bill.
Irrelevent ranting, Mr. Smart, the truth is a usually best for
convincing people and the truth is that you are a PhD fraud.
The truth is that NO ONE claiming a degree title is taken
seriously by other degreed individuals unless they are willing
to name where they went to school. Only on Planet Derek do you
get brain dead dodo's like Dan Brooks and Ted Chen arguing that
it is common or reasonable for people to claim a degree on one
hand but refuse to name their school on the other.
> Like I said, you gave him a polite response, so, ask him
> again, politely, to show you proof of *one* *single* site/mag that did
> what he claims as a result of anything that had anything to do with
> his crusade against me. You will find that he will either (a) not
> provide such proof or evidence (typical Bill) (b) he will come up with
> some cock & bull excuse for not providing names etc. I for one, can't
> wait to read this, so please, make sure when you respond, you clip his
> excerpt for me because I have no intentions of removing him from my
> killfile. I suspect that he posted that crap knowing *full* well that
> I would *not* see it. Because you included it in your excerpt, I
> managed to see it. Now, he has to, once again, put up. I - can't -
> wait.
Mr. Smart you admit that multiple sites were contacted by me. Go
through the list of BC3K 2.0 reviews linked from your web page and
tell me how many of them refer to you by your bogus doctor title?
Only one refers to you as doctor, now. However, this doesn't prove
or disprove your PhD. All it means is that there's one site that is
run by people that weren't interested in correcting that error for
whatever reason.
>
> --
> Derek Smart, Ph.D. fraud
Bill Huffman
"Ted L. Chen" <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
...
> common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's no
> hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither do
> you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
> attitude most of the others have.
Ted, maybe you've never been in any academic environment (even though
your "ISP" would indicate otherwise) or maybe you've just had some kind
of brain misfunction but it is commonly accepted that when a degree
is claimed by an individual that individual, when asked, will freely
give further details on claimed degree. If the requested information
is not forth coming then it's assumed that the person claimed degree
is deserving of no further consideration.
It is "common courtesy" for the claiming person to provide
requested information. You are being totally absurd to falsely
claim that after the requested information is not provided that
it would be the "common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree".
I hope that you just weren't thinking straight because I really
have a hard time believing you could be that stupid, Ted.
--
Z-1
Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> Psycho <jb...@chaffmindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:7glaep$tpb$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > >Derek Smart, Ph.D.
> > >Designer/Lead Developer
> > >The Battlecruiser Series
> >
> > Many of my collegues at work are Ph.D.s. Funny thing is, none of them
find
> > the need to put the "Ph.D" part in their signatures. Go figure.
>
> Yes, you're right... Hell, go to any university and you're not going to
see
> the letters Ph.D. floating around aside from the library stacks.
Ph.D. lends more credibility to the person writing about the topic. More
people will most likely believe people with real Ph.D. in that field than
people that don't.
> Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group
should
> care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those
letters
> really intimidate you that much? Psycho's example alluded to the fact
that
> the letters themselves serve no purpose or else his collegues would append
> it to everything they do. It's the task of getting the Ph.D. that defines
> the person, not some acryonm appended to their title. Some would try to
use
> the argument that it cheapens the name... does it really? Who here got
> their Ph.D's for the title? Now if someone wants to stick Ph.D. on the
end
> of their name, whether they deserve it or not, fine by me. I'm not
> offended. If they did the work to earn it, then there's no issue. If
they
> didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
How about get a Ph.D. first, then see if you feel the same way. And I
don't mean buying it either. I know many professors with Ph.D.s, not one
of them have ever said no to me about where they went for it.
> Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
> claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who
can
> hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
> once, and go after them.
Didn't Derek do something like that when he hype up his game, which turn out
to be a big disaster. Many people are hurt and still hurting from such a
crappy game. Guess seeing that Ph.D after his name most people felt what
he was saying is believable.
> Ted
>
>
ji...@hgea.org
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group should
>care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those letters
>really intimidate you that much? Psycho's example alluded to the fact that
>the letters themselves serve no purpose or else his collegues would append
>it to everything they do. It's the task of getting the Ph.D. that defines
>the person, not some acryonm appended to their title. Some would try to use
>the argument that it cheapens the name... does it really? Who here got
>their Ph.D's for the title? Now if someone wants to stick Ph.D. on the end
>of their name, whether they deserve it or not, fine by me. I'm not
>offended. If they did the work to earn it, then there's no issue. If they
>didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
Ask yourself why would someone want to claim false credentials in the
first place. We all know that DS likes to make extreme claims to his
credit when he has never shown one iota of proof.
1) PhD
2) Mensa member, strange they never heard of him.
3) His Novell credentials which others have said that it was for a
2-day class.
4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
said there is no proof of it
5) His claims that the game will be the last thing you ever desire,
in it original state was a buggy, over-hyped piece of crap and in
its current state it is a piece of less buggy, over- hyped old
piece of crap.
6) His claim that Take Two released the wrong version, which
logically is a piece of fiction considering that it took DS 2
years and many, many patches later to even see a somewhat working
version of his original game.
7) DS claims he has people killfiled yet he still responds.to posters
that he claims he has killfiled.
8) Claims that his game is a success now, strange concept of success
when his game is released as a bargain basement game with only a
few software chains carrying it and most of those chains only
bought enough to a single copy into each store. On that basis, I
guess every game that ever came out would be a success.
9) DS has claimed that he would quit the flamewar numerous times but
seems to keep coming back.
Only a sampling of the many extreme claims that DS has posted.
>Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
>claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
>hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
>once, and go after them.
Ted, if you claim this is unproductive, what are you doing here? Why
aren't you doing something productive instead of posting in the
flamewar? So far you talk a good talk but you don't seem to be
following your own advice.
PJL
:truth in everything? (Just curious, I honestly don't want to start
:some flame war between us.).....do you check everyone's stated
:credentials?
If you can't check someone's credentials, you can :
1) Go by his actions -- and DKS's actions prove he might have graduated
kindergarten
2) Go by his work -- Is there AI in BC3K? I don't know.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
Remove the $ to email me
///////////////
PJL
:1) PhD
:2) Mensa member, strange they never heard of him.
:3) His Novell credentials which others have said that it was for a
: 2-day class.
:4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
: said there is no proof of it
That's also when the details of his thesis came out, and his request to Dan
Bennent to 'go look it up.' Funny that with all the hype about the game,
DKS never mentioned his academic credentials until someone questioned the
presence of neural nets in the game. Makes you wonder...
Ted L. Chen
so weak that you have to resort to constant name calling? Anyways, look at
it this way ....
1. Derek has pissed off a lot of people. Most of which were early buyers
of BC3K when it was first released.
2. The flame war has been going on for how many years? In which time,
people have come and gone. Those who've remained here the longest have been
polarized into strongly supporting or strongly detracting.
3. The level of tech savyness in Usenet is high compared to other forums.
3a. A higher percentage of "hackers" exist in this usenet population.
4. In many cases, especially in the mind of hackers, computer crime is
"accepted" as opposed to other physical violent crimes.
5. School computer systems are rather lax in security.
Now, again, this is all conjecture but if I were in Derek's shoes, I too
would have been hesistant to give out my information in Usenet. As for
"common courtesy", you're quite right... if point #1 and #2 were not there,
I wouldn't even think twice about giving out my information. However, given
the fact that they do exist, any reasonable person should easily see a
reason for not giving you the information. I'm guessing this or some
similar line of reasoning is what that unmentioned game magazine went
through and I'm happy to see that they didn't bend over to some lone person
who happened to throw a tantrum when Derek refused to tell him where he went
to school.
Ted "Leaky Brains" Chen
Bill Huffman <huf...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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> In article <7gikgf$1rj$2...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> "Ted L. Chen" <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
Ted L. Chen
Typhon <Typ...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gotta go with Bill on this one. Can you imagine insisting to a police
> officer that you did indeed have a driver's license, but refusing to allow
> him to see it, or tell him what state it is from?
Show me your badge and serial number Bill :)
> Can you imagine claiming
> an MBA when interviewing for a position, but then refusing to state which
> school issued the MBA?
I knew it!! Bill and Derek are working together!!!
> Even at a cocktail party, if someone mentioned they
> hold a PhD, and I asked where they had gone to school, and they refused to
> say, I would consider their credentials to be dubious, at best.
Yes, it's dubious. I for one have doubts but in no way is that "PROOF" of
the "TRUTH" as Bill likes to scream at the top of his lungs. However, like
my previous post to Bill, the people who attend the cocktail parties would
not be the ones I am afraid of. No, it would be some anti-social hacker
living in the basement of his house (hehe, sterotypical image?) But you get
the idea... am I refering to some cyber boggieman? I honestly don't know
but given the number of people Derek has pissed off in the past, I wouldn't
be surprised if there's someone out there.
Ted
PJL
:Thank you for noticing my brain deficiency... really Bill are your
arguments
:so weak that you have to resort to constant name calling? Anyways, look at
:it this way ....
:
:1. Derek has pissed off a lot of people. Most of which were early buyers
:of BC3K when it was first released.
:2. The flame war has been going on for how many years? In which time,
:people have come and gone. Those who've remained here the longest have
been
:polarized into strongly supporting or strongly detracting.
:3. The level of tech savyness in Usenet is high compared to other forums.
I take exception to that remark. There's one guy here, and I won't mention
his name, but his initials are 'DKS,' is not too savy. For example, he
doesn't know how to get his killfilter working! And he has trouble with FTP
programs!
Ted L. Chen
> On Mon, 3 May 1999 20:30:02 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
> >claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who
can
> >hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive
for
> >once, and go after them.
>
> Ted, if you claim this is unproductive, what are you doing here? Why
> aren't you doing something productive instead of posting in the
> flamewar? So far you talk a good talk but you don't seem to be
> following your own advice.
>
Did I claim such lofty goals? No, compared to the other members of this
topic, my purpose is to much less lofty... it's to give a balanced viewpoint
on THIS issue. I'm not claiming to do the world any great favors like what
some other people keep mentioning.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
>
> Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
> > Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people
who
> > claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who
> can
> > hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive
for
> > once, and go after them.
>
out
> to be a big disaster. Many people are hurt and still hurting from such a
> crappy game. Guess seeing that Ph.D after his name most people felt what
> he was saying is believable.
>
Question: Did anyone actually buy BC3K because of the Ph.D. beside Derek's
name? Is anyone that gullible to actually believe every single word from a
game developer promoting his own software? (this applies to any developer)
There may have been... I dunno, but I'm guessing it's such a small
percentage compared to poor unfortunate souls who go to some medical clinic
only to be served by Dr. Nick, MD. So I'm still holding to my original
comment on this issue... if you want to comment on Derek, go right ahead...
but please stop fluffing your feathers and trying to make yourself look like
the hand of god here to rid the word of evil.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
>
> >9) DS has claimed that he would quit the flamewar numerous times but
> > seems to keep coming back.
>
informed
> me that Derek actually wears standard military grade Fruit-of-the-Loom
> underwear that his mother procures for him.
>
> *plonk*
Well, if you didn't keep snapping his thongs, I'm sure he wouldn't have had
to go buy military grade FotL. :P
Ted
Ted L. Chen
splitting off to make their own threads... trying to get on the soapbox or
something i guess. Sooner or later, this exponential growth will drown this
NG and make it unusable....bwhahhaha.... the plan is working!!!
Ted
bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message news:372f1ad5.260764@news...
> On Mon, 03 May 1999 21:50:53 GMT, ras...@mediaone.net (Rasta Kyle)
> wrotf:
>
> > But either way life moves on, why would I dwell on it? Why
> >respond to it for years?
> Because Derek continues to commit the fraud. Why should we forget it
> and let newbies believe his claims of being a Dr.? Because he makes a
> game ?? I think not.
>
> So for everyday Derek continues his fraud someone will remind you, me
> and others he is lying.
>
> If you don't like it DON'T read it !! You act like this threads jump
> out and forces you to read them.
Ted L. Chen
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group
should
> >care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those
letters
> >really intimidate you that much?
> >Now if someone wants to stick Ph.D. on the end
> >of their name, whether they deserve it or not, fine by me. I'm not
> >offended. If they did the work to earn it, then there's no issue. If
they
> >didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
>
> Ask yourself why would someone want to claim false credentials in the
> first place. We all know that DS likes to make extreme claims to his
> credit when he has never shown one iota of proof.
You missed the whole point of the question.... The question didn't ask
whether DS had a Ph.D. The question was why care so much whether he does?
> 4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
> said there is no proof of it
On a side note, I'm kinda curious as to which reviewers? Any cs student
worth their salt, would know that neural nets are not cure'alls. NNs are
not going to act like real people and believing so is just silly... it's
only good as a pattern matching tool, mapping inputs to possible outputs.
How would that be useful in a game? Well, for starters, you can simplify a
system that has numerous parameters into a single output which you can
process with standard if-else statements. ie: numerous ship sensors and the
ship damang being mapped into the single output flag "We're being attacked".
This way, you don't have to code every single "condition" for that flag.
Anyways, that was just an illustration on how NNs can be used. They may
greatly help in terms of robustifying your if-else statements but like I
said, it's not going to give the super-AI like what I imagine these
reviewers thought. So, the quesiton is.. who are these reviewers?
> 5) His claims that the game will be the last thing you ever desire,
> in it original state was a buggy, over-hyped piece of crap and in
> its current state it is a piece of less buggy, over- hyped old
> piece of crap.
Curious... and you actually believed the comment that it "will be the last
thing you ever desire" ? *chuckle* *chuckle* BTW, I'm selling some prime
Florida real-estate...
> 7) DS claims he has people killfiled yet he still responds.to posters
> that he claims he has killfiled.
Think replies... includes... etc... Ahhh... I see the light going on over
your head. :)
> 8) Claims that his game is a success now, strange concept of success
> when his game is released as a bargain basement game with only a
> few software chains carrying it and most of those chains only
> bought enough to a single copy into each store. On that basis, I
> guess every game that ever came out would be a success.
Again, these are claims coming from the developer / publisher himself. Do
you hear a developer going around and saying, "oh god, my game has been
reduced to a value product... and it's not selling well... "
> 9) DS has claimed that he would quit the flamewar numerous times but
> seems to keep coming back.
>
> Only a sampling of the many extreme claims that DS has posted.
You would too if someone attacked you.
Now, I understand that you provide those to illustrate that DS likes to make
extreme claims. I cannot argue with that claim... I just wanted to make
sure that the readers of this NG get the whole story, and not just tainted
(whether it was accidentally or deliberate) information.
Ted
Triple Sec
> name? Is anyone that gullible to actually believe every single word from a
No, but in a matter of fact I was looking for it a while back, but luckily I
couldn't find it. For as long as Derek Smart does not back up his claim about
the PhD I consider him a liar. This along with his rude attitude towards
customers and ppl who got screwed by the first version of BC3K, I won't even
consider anything he makes (actually, just his public relations skills would
be enough for me to keep away)
PJL
:
:On a side note, I'm kinda curious as to which reviewers? Any cs student
:worth their salt, would know that neural nets are not cure'alls. NNs are
Here's a post from the great NN debate of '97:
(headers at bottom)
On 12 Feb 1997 10:33:52 -0500, n...@philabs.research.philips.com
(Nai-Chi Lee) wrote:
>In article <33011B...@worldnet.att.net>,
>Bud Wacaser <bwac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>I have seen the e-mail messages between DS, Liam and another game
>>programer posted to the tester's site. In the posts Liam starts out
>>very friendly and thanks DS for all of the info and time he took to
>>explain the way the NN were used in BC and how he suspected that they
>>were used in other games that are already in the market place.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That was exactly the point which T. Liam McDonald made in his article:
>this alleged "Neural Net AI" in BC3K is nothing new compared to what
>were used in other games already in the market place.
.....and?
>Liam asserted that a complex set of algorithms used in BC3K cannot be
>called a Neural Net, because there is no evidence that the program can
>be "trained" to perform a certain task, and no evidence that it will
>learn from the user's actions and adapt accordingly.
That's untrue and that is _NOT_ the sole task of a neural network! As
I explained in my email to him, AILOG (the BC3K engine) uses several
aspects of neural networks to perform it's tasks. I even sent him code
snippets and explained _exactly_ what aspects were used. BC3K
primarily uses supervisied training and several models utilizing
network plasticity and back propagation were developed. As I told him,
this is NOT a real-time trained environment. There are several
branches of neural networks. I took what I knew and enhanced it to
suit my game. Much researching how many ways to tweak the Intel
processor that Intel forgot to tell you or how to over-clock your cpu
etc.
Games are so advanced these days that everything we've learned and
been accustomed to get thrown out the window with every ground
breaking release.
In fact, recently I added a book to my library on the subject. This
book was written long after BC3K was developed. It's by an author
called Rao. The FIRST line in the preface says...
'The number of models available in a neural network literature is
quite large'
It further goes on to say...
' There are many different angles to neural networks and fuzzy logic.
The fields are expanding rapidly with ever-new results and
applications.'
I have learned a lot from research, studies and books in artificial
intelligence. Like everyone else.
Artificial Intelligence and Logistics, AILOG, the engine I
specifically designed and developed to handle the games complex ai,
scripting and fuzzy logic interface has several nn based models
designed to do a _specific_ task within the game. What I wanted to do
in BC3K could not be done without it. Sure, it may be old technology
today considering how long the game has been in development but some
also consider the graphics to be old technology. The hype of BC3K back
when I started was that it was never attempted because it could not be
done. I was deteremined to do it. Alas, the length of development time
has contributed to this facade that I must now face.
To cut a long story short, Tom contacted me about work on the article
but I declined due to scheduling conflicts. I however explained to
him what and how it was done. He then sent an apologetic mail and that
was the end of that until I read his February article and then sent
e-mail to him and the Boot editor. I dissected every paragraph of the
article in my response to them and pretty much called him a liar
because in Feb edition of Boot, he promised that he would have
interviews with Take2 and Dr. Smart in his next column as to what
happened to BC3K. He did this knowing FULLY well that both Take2 and I
had already refused him the interview! He also went on to say that in
the next article he would explore the world of neural nets, whether
they can be used in games and whether there is _actually_ one in
Battlecruiser:3000AD. The article is at
http://www.bootnet.com/main.html
The next time I heard from him was when he sent me a cease and desist
e-mail .
There are over 60 people who witnessed the e-mail exchange between Tom
and I because his responses were auto-forwarded to the list because of
the e-mail address he was using to contact me. Once he found out, he
sent me a cease and decist e-mail.
I know the game has been tardy. I know I am not the people person I'm
expected to be. However, this blatant attack on me is just going from
bad to worse. You can make what you will of this situation but I can
tell you one thing, whereas it is difficult to figure me out, it won't
be diffcult for me trash the Boot article in a lawsuit. Because
regardless of my personalities, I know what I have spent several years
of my life developing.
I have advised Boot editor and Tom that unless they printed a
retraction or an aplogy, they would be hearing from my attorney. To
dispell his claim in the mag will give him what he wanted all along,
an interview with me and a response. He's not getting it outside of a
court room. I have spent SEVEN years developing this game, I will
spend the next SEVEN years defending it if that's what it takes. I
cannot and will not be stopped. It is that simple.
>>As for the NASA programer think about this...next time you need surgery
>>get it done by Nobel prize winning research scienist(medicine). In most
>>cases you would be lucky to live to tell about it.
>[two paragraphs of bashing deleted]
>
>My fault in quoting the article. Liam interviewed "two former NASA
>programmers, now involved in computer games". They were: Kieth
>Zabalaoui, president of Atomic games, and Gary Riley, strategic AI
>programmer for Close Combat. Naturally, you may still claim that
>Kieth and Gary know nothing about Neural Net, and that to learn the
>true meaning of NN, we have to go to GalCom and worship the one and
>only Supreme Commander...
I met Keith back when he wrote games for 360 Pacific my first
publisher. If this is the same person who wrote V for Victory and
Patriot for 360, I rest my case. I do not know who Gary is. Needless
to say, I do NOT believe that these two programmers knew that they
were just pawns in Tom's game. It is uncommon for one developer to
trash or dispell the work of another. In fact, a gentleman from
Lockhed Martin who contacted me about hosting an AI con at the
upcoming CGDA con could not believe it when I told him that Tom says
it cannot be done because someone else said so. It seems because BC3K
was not written by '...one of the boys or a proven developer', then
it's crap, I'm a liar etc. This is the society that we live in.
I am not sure whether I can legally post the e-mail exchange between
Tom and I. I'll have to ask my attorney. If someone else knows whether
I can, please let me know. I'm just dying to post it for all to see.
It will prove that Tom has taken this whole thing personally and
written unrearched materail in support of his article. Supermarket
tabloids come to mind as it seems every mag wan't to sell the Derek
Smart story.
>Wait, maybe this is why Laim McDonald has such a negative opinion on
>Derek Smart: Big Mac and Taco Supreme just don't go well together!
>;-)
Some things never change..
Derek Smart
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From: dsm...@ix.netcom.com (Derek Smart)
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Subject: Re: BC3K article found in BOOT magazine
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Courageous
> convincing people and the truth is that you are a PhD fraud.
> The truth is that NO ONE claiming a degree title is taken
> seriously by other degreed individuals unless they are willing
> to name where they went to school.
In the research community I work in, someone claiming a
PhD and refusing to reveal its origins would be summarily
shunned and excised from the community with extreme prejudice.
C/
Gary Hladik
[snip]
>Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group should
>care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those letters
>really intimidate you that much?
On the off chance that Mr. Chen is serious here, I would suggest that he
answer these questions by asking himself why he cares about a
topic that could hardly be of earth-shaking importance to him. :-)
[snip arguments]
>Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
>claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
>hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
>once, and go after them.
I suggest Mr. Chen ask himself how he would react if someone told him to
do something more productive with his time than post to a Derek Smart
thread. :-)
Gary
Typhon
news:7gmu0s$ata$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...> 1. Derek has pissed off a lot of
people. Most of which were early buyers
> of BC3K when it was first released.
> 2. The flame war has been going on for how many years? In which time,
> people have come and gone. Those who've remained here the longest have
been
> polarized into strongly supporting or strongly detracting.
> 3. The level of tech savyness in Usenet is high compared to other forums.
> 4. In many cases, especially in the mind of hackers, computer crime is
> "accepted" as opposed to other physical violent crimes.
> 5. School computer systems are rather lax in security.
>
> Now, again, this is all conjecture but if I were in Derek's shoes, I too
> would have been hesistant to give out my information in Usenet. As for
> "common courtesy", you're quite right... if point #1 and #2 were not
there,
> I wouldn't even think twice about giving out my information. However,
given
> the fact that they do exist, any reasonable person should easily see a
> reason for not giving you the information. I'm guessing this or some
> similar line of reasoning is what that unmentioned game magazine went
> through and I'm happy to see that they didn't bend over to some lone
person
> who happened to throw a tantrum when Derek refused to tell him where he
went
> to school.
>
>
> Ted "Leaky Brains" Chen
Ted, that's all bullshit. If Derek gave the name of the school, there
certainly wouldn't be armies of hackers breaking into their computers to
verify the data. Why bother? All anyone would have to do his call and ask,
since schools routinely field credential verifications because THEY ARE
NORMAL, EVERYDAY, COMMONPLACE EVENTS!!! Employers call all the time
checking the same thing. Only Derek and you think that there is anything
odd about revealing the name of where you attained a degree.
It has nothing to do with any of the above factors. It has to do with
Derek's vast ego, his baseless claims, and the fact that his degree was
almost certainly mail-ordered from a non-accredited institution. He as much
as admits so himself in many of his latest posts.
Ted L. Chen
news:gah00FB...@netcom.com...
Hehe, Gary, I actually am suppose to be doing something more productive..
but this is my way of running away from doing paper abstracts :)
Ted
Ted L. Chen
> On Mon, 03 May 1999 19:28:58 GMT, dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
> wrotf:
< SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP> :)
> Is it just me ?
> Seems we could replace the name Bill with Derek and it would fit like
> a shoe.
Hmm... has anyone bothered to do a line trace to see if Bill and Derek are
the same person? :) My guess is someone must have.. but then again, those
were probably the same people who mysteriously disappeared in the middle of
the night.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
news:7gn9hq$2jv$1...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com...
> Ted L. Chen wrote in message <7gn7uk$icj$2...@news-int.gatech.edu>...
> :
> :On a side note, I'm kinda curious as to which reviewers? Any cs student
> :worth their salt, would know that neural nets are not cure'alls. NNs are
< WHOO HOO! BIG SNIP!>
Hehe PJL,
Thanks for the pointer...off to dejanews I go....
Ted
Ted L. Chen
said.. a person with a combination of opportunity, means and motive makes
for a very dangerous man. Heck, someone just took down the bell south page
yesterday...
Ted "paranoid" Chen
Typhon <Typ...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:7gnm4g$6a7$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Gary Hladik
>Gary Hladik <ga...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:gah00FB...@netcom.com...
[snip
>> I suggest Mr. Chen ask himself how he would react if someone told him to
>> do something more productive with his time than post to a Derek Smart
>> thread. :-)
>Hehe, Gary, I actually am suppose to be doing something more productive..
>but this is my way of running away from doing paper abstracts :)
Which is probably as good a reason as any of us have for being here. :-)
Gary
jac...@123.com
>
<snip>
Come on Ted, most of us couldn't care less whether Derek has a PHD or
not. But it is very entertaining watching his contrived stories as they
continually unfold, and Bill's pursuit of him.
Have you been to Bill's website and actually SEEN some of the things
Derek has said re: his PHD ? From secret middle names to published and
listed to renowned and accreddited to suppressed to patented to money
owed, they make one chuckle.
> Ted
jac...@123.com
>
> Z-1 <Z-...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:unsK41fl#GA.308@cpmsnbbsa05...
> >
> who
> > > claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who
> > can
> > > hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive
> for
> > > once, and go after them.
> >
> out
> > to be a big disaster. Many people are hurt and still hurting from such a
> > crappy game. Guess seeing that Ph.D after his name most people felt what
> > he was saying is believable.
> >
>
> name? Is anyone that gullible to actually believe every single word from a
> There may have been... I dunno, but I'm guessing it's such a small
> percentage compared to poor unfortunate souls who go to some medical clinic
> only to be served by Dr. Nick, MD. So I'm still holding to my original
> comment on this issue... if you want to comment on Derek, go right ahead...
> but please stop fluffing your feathers and trying to make yourself look like
> the hand of god here to rid the word of evil.
>
> Ted
Well, PC GAMER did run an article/sidebar/whatever about the supposedly
revolutionary AI in BCK, which Derek claimed was the result of years of
PHD work. When they asked him about it, he claimed they could read all
about it in his thesis, which was published and listed.
So, in a sense, PC Gamer devoted valuable space that otherwise might
have been used for advertising to list Dereks AI because of his said
'expertise' as a PHD
jac...@123.com
>
> On Mon, 3 May 1999 20:30:02 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
> <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> >Now that brings me to the question of why anyone on this Usenet group should
> >care whether Derek's Ph.D. is real? I mean for gods sake, do those letters
> >the letters themselves serve no purpose or else his collegues would append
> >it to everything they do. It's the task of getting the Ph.D. that defines
> >the person, not some acryonm appended to their title. Some would try to use
> >the argument that it cheapens the name... does it really? Who here got
> >of their name, whether they deserve it or not, fine by me. I'm not
> >offended. If they did the work to earn it, then there's no issue. If they
> >didn't then I'll merely laugh at their lame existence.
>
> Ask yourself why would someone want to claim false credentials in the
> first place. We all know that DS likes to make extreme claims to his
> credit when he has never shown one iota of proof.
>
> 2) Mensa member, strange they never heard of him.
> 3) His Novell credentials which others have said that it was for a
> 2-day class.
> said there is no proof of it
> in it original state was a buggy, over-hyped piece of crap and in
>
> its current state it is a piece of less buggy, over- hyped old
> piece of crap.
> logically is a piece of fiction considering that it took DS 2
> years and many, many patches later to even see a somewhat working
>
> version of his original game.
>
> that he claims he has killfiled.
> when his game is released as a bargain basement game with only a
> few software chains carrying it and most of those chains only
> bought enough to a single copy into each store. On that basis, I
> guess every game that ever came out would be a success.
> seems to keep coming back.
>
> Only a sampling of the many extreme claims that DS has posted.
>
> >claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
> >hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
> >once, and go after them.
>
> aren't you doing something productive instead of posting in the
> flamewar? So far you talk a good talk but you don't seem to be
> following your own advice.
Jimmy -
Jack...@Yahoo.com -
For Hawaii stuff
thanks
jac...@123.com
>
Derek Smart wrote :
>Because
regardless of my personalities, I know what I have spent several years
of my life developing.
I have advised Boot editor and Tom that unless they printed a
retraction or an aplogy, they would be hearing from my attorney
<
Did Derek ever get his printed apology? Or is this another lawsuit he
has pending?
Ted L. Chen
> Ted L. Chen wrote:
>> <SNIP SNIP SNIP>
>
> Well, PC GAMER did run an article/sidebar/whatever about the supposedly
> revolutionary AI in BCK, which Derek claimed was the result of years of
> PHD work. When they asked him about it, he claimed they could read all
> about it in his thesis, which was published and listed.
>
> So, in a sense, PC Gamer devoted valuable space that otherwise might
> have been used for advertising to list Dereks AI because of his said
> 'expertise' as a PHD
Oh my god!!! Those poor advertisers!!! DAMN YOU DEREK!!! :P
Ted
- Founder of the Advertisers Charity Fund, a for-profit organization.
jac...@123.com
In every community. Except for Galcom, of course.
Typhon
Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:7gnnc3$1m1$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...
> Hmm.. who said anything about breaking in to VERIFY the data... like I
> said.. a person with a combination of opportunity, means and motive makes
> for a very dangerous man. Heck, someone just took down the bell south
page
> yesterday...
>
> Ted "paranoid" Chen
Removing the record of Derek's PhD would be pointless. The university
doubtless has off-line and hardcopy backups, and Derek would have paperwork,
etc. to prove it. Besides, since he won't tell anyone where it's from, it
wouldn't effect anyone verifying it, since no one can!
The whole argument is a VAST stretch...extraordinarily improbable, but
possible. But Occam's Razor would suggest a far more plausable, far more
obvious answer: Derek doesn't want people to know where his PhD is from,
because it is a non-accredited school issuing mail-order, "life-experience"
PhDs. There is of course no conclusive proof for this theory either, but
the evidence supports it far better, and it is a far more reasonable
solution that the one which you seem to be proposing.
Jimmy Chan
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
><ji...@hgea.org> wrote in message news:372ea313....@news.hgea.org...
>> On Mon, 3 May 1999 20:30:02 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
>> Ted, if you claim this is unproductive, what are you doing here? Why
>> aren't you doing something productive instead of posting in the
>> flamewar? So far you talk a good talk but you don't seem to be
>> following your own advice.
>>
>Did I claim such lofty goals? No, compared to the other members of this
>topic, my purpose is to much less lofty... it's to give a balanced viewpoint
>on THIS issue. I'm not claiming to do the world any great favors like what
>some other people keep mentioning.
Really? Remember, Dan once used to claim that he was neutral in the
flamewar but we know that to be a lie as many other things that he has
claimed.
Whether or not you are trying to give a balanced viewpoint on the
issue, I assume that the issue is the fake PhD considering that is
what is being talked about, I don't really see why you are trying to
give advice to a person to do something productive when you seem to be
joining in contributing to something you claim that is unproductive.
Z-1
Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:7gn596$gi8$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...> > Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
> > > Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people
> who
> > > claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people
who
> > can
> > > hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive
> for
> > > once, and go after them.
> >
> out
> > to be a big disaster. Many people are hurt and still hurting from such
a
> > crappy game. Guess seeing that Ph.D after his name most people felt
what
> > he was saying is believable.
> >
>
> Question: Did anyone actually buy BC3K because of the Ph.D. beside
Derek's
> name? Is anyone that gullible to actually believe every single word from
a
> game developer promoting his own software? (this applies to any
developer)
> There may have been... I dunno, but I'm guessing it's such a small
clinic
> only to be served by Dr. Nick, MD. So I'm still holding to my original
> comment on this issue... if you want to comment on Derek, go right
ahead...
> but please stop fluffing your feathers and trying to make yourself look
like
> the hand of god here to rid the word of evil.
to hype a game, the game sucks. Daikatana comes to mind, whatever happened
to that. All I know is if the game is good enough then there is no need
for developers to praise their own work, would they be stupid enough to say
their own work sucks? Well, in Derek case "the last game you'll ever buy"
(may not be exact) Battlecruiser did suck, maybe it wouldn't if it worked
but then again maybe. Also the good ol' "doctor" promised a patch, and many
people believed that such a patch would be released shortly, but sadly it
didn't happen that way. If Battlecruiser is the last game you'll ever buy,
why are selling the same game just updated?
>
> Ted
>
>
Rasta Kyle
>On Mon, 03 May 1999 21:50:53 GMT, ras...@mediaone.net (Rasta Kyle)
>wrotf:
>
>>...do you check everyone's stated
>>credentials? Do you make sure VCR tapes are never viewed by
>>anyone but the taper using it for personal use. Do you check every
>>cassette tape to be sure the person with the recorded music has
>>a legal right to it and the proper royalties have been paid?
>err excuse me but the people that do these things don't usually go
>around announcing it in public like Derek does his PhD. If they did
>,yes, someone would be on their case. We don't go around digging stuff
>up on Derek he throws it in all our faces and dares us to not believe
>him. Do you not see a difference ?
I see the difference but I'm not too sure the person I was responding
to does....at least not based on his comments.
Rasta Kyle
>>Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
>>claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
>>hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
>>once, and go after them.
>
>Ted, if you claim this is unproductive, what are you doing here? Why
>aren't you doing something productive instead of posting in the
>flamewar? So far you talk a good talk but you don't seem to be
>following your own advice.
>
Jimmy, if all you say above is true wouldn't the best course of action
be to just ignore him and concentrate on strategy games that ARE
fun and developers who you trust and believe?
Rasta Kyle
>On Mon, 3 May 1999 20:30:02 -0400, "Ted L. Chen"
><TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrotf:
>
>>Now, if you really want to be the purveyor of truth, there are people who
>>claim to be medical doctors while they're not. Those are the people who can
>>hurt others through the use of a false title. Do something productive for
>>once, and go after them.
>Well if you let Derek get away with this fraud who knows what he might
>try to claim he is next.
>
>Derek Smart MD.
>
Not sure it would affect the gaming community at all if he claimed to
be an MD DMD PS or the head of the UN for that matter. It really
doesn't mean shit when you are trying to decide between two game
titles....gameplay is what matters to gamers....at least most I think.
Rasta Kyle
>> Irrelevent ranting, Mr. Smart, the truth is a usually best for
>> convincing people and the truth is that you are a PhD fraud.
>> The truth is that NO ONE claiming a degree title is taken
>> seriously by other degreed individuals unless they are willing
>> to name where they went to school.
>
>In the research community I work in, someone claiming a
>PhD and refusing to reveal its origins would be summarily
>shunned and excised from the community with extreme prejudice.
>
Do you research games?
I would guess in academia you would be 100%
grade A correct...and if this were a discussion on someones tenure or
scientific reaserch I'd be as outraged as anyone, but we are
discussing fucking games.
Rasta Kyle
>In article <7gikgf$1rj$2...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> "Ted L. Chen" <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>...
>> As for the one magazine that wouldn't blindly listen to you, it's called
>> common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree, especially if there's no
>> hard evidence to the contrary. They may be wrong, I dunno (and neither do
>> you) but I applaud them for taking a stand rather than the wishy-washy
>> attitude most of the others have.
>
>Ted, maybe you've never been in any academic environment (even though
>your "ISP" would indicate otherwise) or maybe you've just had some kind
>of brain misfunction but it is commonly accepted that when a degree
>is claimed by an individual that individual, when asked, will freely
>give further details on claimed degree. If the requested information
>is not forth coming then it's assumed that the person claimed degree
>is deserving of no further consideration.
>
>It is "common courtesy" for the claiming person to provide
>requested information. You are being totally absurd to falsely
>claim that after the requested information is not provided that
>it would be the "common courtesy to acknowledge someone's degree".
>I hope that you just weren't thinking straight because I really
>have a hard time believing you could be that stupid, Ted.
>
>--
>Bill Huffman, PhD in Derekology,
Bill, if I may....in an academic environment I would be totally on
your side.....we are talking about games for Christ sake.....
games.....you know, those things we do as hobbies or just
to relax...these are gaming newsgroups....
Rasta Kyle
<snipped Ted's stuff>
>
>Ted, that's all bullshit. If Derek gave the name of the school, there
>certainly wouldn't be armies of hackers breaking into their computers to
>verify the data. Why bother? All anyone would have to do his call and ask,
>since schools routinely field credential verifications because THEY ARE
>NORMAL, EVERYDAY, COMMONPLACE EVENTS!!! Employers call all the time
>checking the same thing. Only Derek and you think that there is anything
>odd about revealing the name of where you attained a degree.
>
>It has nothing to do with any of the above factors. It has to do with
>Derek's vast ego, his baseless claims, and the fact that his degree was
>almost certainly mail-ordered from a non-accredited institution. He as much
>as admits so himself in many of his latest posts.
>
I would have to agree with Typhon here, that's a big reach. I
personally think he's (Derek) full of shit....I can't come up with a
reason not to just state the PHD information if it's all valid.
The only one I could possibly believe would be this deep
hatred between the parties here has cause trenches to be dug
and nobody is coming out of them.
Bill Huffman
> regardless of my personalities, I know what I have spent several years
> of my life developing.
>
> I have advised Boot editor and Tom that unless they printed a
> <
>
> Did Derek ever get his printed apology? Or is this another lawsuit he
> has pending?
>
I don't think T. Liam MacDonald ever made an apology. Derek did
make physical threats against T. Liam MacDonald. Something like
everytime he comes home in the dark he better be worried about
Derek jumping out and doing nasty stuff to the physical being
of Mr. MacDonald.
I wonder if Derek wore his thong back then? Sounds like a
satire based on America's Dumbest Criminals in the making.
--
Bill Huffman, PhD in Derekology,
ignoramus supremus and asshilarious
huf...@BRAINSaccess1.net (Remove the BRAINS to email me.)
Bill Huffman
> so weak that you have to resort to constant name calling?
You claimed that after asking someone for additional
information on a claimed degree and the request is
declined that it is common courtesy to acknowledge
their degree anyway. Are you trying to defend that
claim? Or after giving it more thought you decided
that COMMMON COURTESY was not what you claimed? If
anything the common reaction would be the exact
opposite.
BTW, do not feel bad about brain deficiencies. That's
what oops, oh sorry, oh yea, right, etc. are all for.
Keep working at it and maybe someday you too can be
known as ignoramus supremus and asshilarious.
--
Bill Huffman, PhD in Derekology,
ignoramus supremus and asshilarious
huf...@BRAINEFFICENCYaccess1.net
(Remove the BRAINEFFICENCY to email me.)
wilberforce
bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <373055b7.792667@news>...
<snip>
>Every play poker Ted ?
>Derek basically bluffed and he was called on it. Now because of his
>Super Ego he finds himself stuck between a rock and a hard place and
>he is just to stubborn to admit he was and has been caught.
<snip more>
ZDNet is reporting a similar problem for the CEO of Lotus.
Very long article at:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2249493,00.html
-wilberforce
Derek Smart
wrote:
I'm still waiting for Bill to respond to my reques (and Ted's) to show
proof of *one* site that changed their interview/review with/of me to
reflect his 'non Ph.D.' claim. Has he posted it? If so, can someone
clip and excerpt and respond to it please so that I can see? Thanks
speaking of which, another one went up yesterday
http://www.ga-source.com/interviews/gamer/dsmart.shtml
--
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.bc3000ad.com
"The man who follows the crowd will usually get no further
than the crowd. The man who walks alone is likely to find
himself in places no one has ever been. Someone lemme out!"
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Yes, it's dubious. I for one have doubts but in no way is that "PROOF" of
>the "TRUTH" as Bill likes to scream at the top of his lungs. However, like
>my previous post to Bill, the people who attend the cocktail parties would
>not be the ones I am afraid of. No, it would be some anti-social hacker
>living in the basement of his house (hehe, sterotypical image?) But you get
>the idea... am I refering to some cyber boggieman? I honestly don't know
>but given the number of people Derek has pissed off in the past, I wouldn't
>be surprised if there's someone out there.
Lets not forget that a cocktail party would be a different setting and
I would *still* reserve the right to not say. There is *nothing* on
this planet that *forces* me to say/do something that I do not want
to. People I've work for/with, who work for/with me, my family and
friends and others who know me and posted here many moons ago, know
better. Now, why I should give a damn what some Usenet kook thinks, is
another story entirely.
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> I'm guessing this or some
>similar line of reasoning is what that unmentioned game magazine went
>through and I'm happy to see that they didn't bend over to some lone person
>who happened to throw a tantrum when Derek refused to tell him where he went
>to school.
What unnammed magazine? I am *still* interested in this and I know for
a *fact* that Bill is making that up. Much like everything else. Apart
from that, he is presumptious in thinking that *anyone* in their sane
minds would listen to some Usenet jackass over the premise of someone
is not only a gamer, developer but also an industry contributor. There
is *no* reason why the mag should remain unnamed, none. Bill is making
it up, plain and simple.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>Well, PC GAMER did run an article/sidebar/whatever about the supposedly
>revolutionary AI in BCK, which Derek claimed was the result of years of
>PHD work. When they asked him about it, he claimed they could read all
>about it in his thesis, which was published and listed.
>
>So, in a sense, PC Gamer devoted valuable space that otherwise might
>have been used for advertising to list Dereks AI because of his said
>'expertise' as a PHD
Now *that* is a *blatant* lie. Now, I've read all your crap Jackyo,
but apart from being a moron like every other detractor (I'm sure you
are not in real life because I've seen your sane posts), I'd never
thought you as a liar.
PC Gamer *never* ran *any* such article. You are talking about the two
Boot articles which T. Liam MacDonald did in which he was *debunking*
the game and indicating that if there was any AI in 'there', there was
no sign of it. Of course, the game did *not* run and there was no way
to disprove and/or comment on *anything* to do with it. Apart from
that, he took this crusade through *two issues*. I guess he had
nothing to write about and I was the latest whipping boy and scape
goat.
And he unwittingly involved two notable developers, including Keith
Zabalowi from Atomic Games, to debunk the AI in the game. That
backfired, miserably and was a major skirmish. Anyone can search
Dejanews for the thread and I will dedicate my weekend to doing just
that. In fact, it was those articles that started the whole rift with
TLM, who is, incidentally, a writer for PC Gamer. Dan Bennett, also of
PC Gamer snickered that they would not be carrying the game demo
because they only carry demos that users requested etc. At a time when
all magazines worldwide (www.bc3000ad.com/files/maglist.txt) were
carrying it. Naturally, he got shredded over that one when several
people debunked that notion.
Now *that* is how the whole PC Gamer boycott started because back in
those days, I was bitter, I was mad and thinking before typing was a
notion lost on me. In fact, I don't deal with Imagine Media companies.
Period. I even had a skirmish with NGO (www.nextgeneration.com) over
an interview they did and *distorted* to make it look like I was
again, fighting with Take Two. I asked them to withdraw it and they
refused. This is also documented in the NGO review at
www.bc3000ad.com/reviews . Shortly after, I came to learn that not
only did NGO refuse to carry the interview/review over at an affliated
online site, I was told by inside sources that this was in fact, the
premise going forward. I sent out a press release to my entire press
mailing list and go back some pretty astounding responses which I
chose to keep private. But they told me what I needed to know. In
fact, that mailing list contains *several* ex-PG Gamer and Imagine
Media writers who *know* of the 'derek smart' boycott. I still have
friends who work there and naturally, nobody's getting involved.
You try dealing with that 96-97 shit after seeing your game flushed
down the toilet due to a publishing mishap. In email, I provided TLM
with *proof* of my theories, in his response he indicated that he went
with the story (I have the emails, *all* of them) because he was
refused an interview by myself and Take Two Interactive in which we
would have been given the chance to 'discuss' it.. In fact, this story
is profiled in this press release text that I sent out
www.bc3000ad.com/files/bc3kpr11.txt
In fact, I *am* aware (because Bill overestimates my reach and
influence in this industry that I *helped* build and contribute to) of
several attempts by Bill and his cronies, knowing of this rift, to
attempt to drag Imagine Media mags (PC Gamer, NGO etc) that are not
favorable of me, into his Ph.D. crusade. I have been waiting for them
to do it because it is easy to sue and reach a financial settlement
with a known publication than a Usenet jackass. But I don't think IM
is run by chimps regardless of my rift with two writers/editors. Apart
from that my rift with those two writers and the NGO crew are
documented in *detail* so there is no misinterpretation of the facts
or the premise in relation to the 'bad blood' that is inherrent. Heck,
every print magazine has carried news, reviews etc and TLM was at one
point, making fun of the game patches with comments like "...does
anyone care anymore?" etc. I took him to task over that one and he
stopped carrying the patches. Period. Of course, no mag in their right
minds would take me on regarding this issue because everyone pretty
much knows that I would be virtually insane to sit here and claim a
degree (accredited or not) that I did not have. My ego alone won't
permit it.
That is what happened. So carry on, ridicule me, call me names,
continue to play your game etc, but don't reduce yourself to the ranks
of a common liar. Bill's already got the job. The article you were
refering to was not an ad but an attempt to debunk and royally screw
me. TLM wasted his time because the state of the game already did
that...effectively too. Yet still, I stuck with it and here I am,
today.
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>You missed the whole point of the question.... The question didn't ask
>whether DS had a Ph.D. The question was why care so much whether he does?
That is fairly simple. It is an attempt, a failed and laughable one at
that, to discredit me since they can't do that through the game. That
latter notion is buried so they will continue with the personal
attack. btw, Bills page has changed, again.
>
>> 4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
>> said there is no proof of it
I don't know who wrote this but I would like to know how anyone who
does not have source code access, to even *know* this. That was the
whole premise of the Boot article with TLM.
>On a side note, I'm kinda curious as to which reviewers? Any cs student
>worth their salt, would know that neural nets are not cure'alls. NNs are
>not going to act like real people and believing so is just silly... it's
>only good as a pattern matching tool, mapping inputs to possible outputs.
>How would that be useful in a game? Well, for starters, you can simplify a
>system that has numerous parameters into a single output which you can
>process with standard if-else statements. ie: numerous ship sensors and the
>ship damang being mapped into the single output flag "We're being attacked".
>This way, you don't have to code every single "condition" for that flag.
>Anyways, that was just an illustration on how NNs can be used. They may
>greatly help in terms of robustifying your if-else statements but like I
>said, it's not going to give the super-AI like what I imagine these
>reviewers thought. So, the quesiton is.. who are these reviewers?
Don't waste your time explaining Ted, this fool is not interested in
facts. AILOG is more sophisticated than that and most of all, it works
as designed.
>Now, I understand that you provide those to illustrate that DS likes to make
>extreme claims. I cannot argue with that claim... I just wanted to make
>sure that the readers of this NG get the whole story, and not just tainted
>(whether it was accidentally or deliberate) information.
But that is and has been the whole premise, to taint, maim, distort
and manufacture, facts. These excerpts can only come from age old
notable detractors we call the Usual Suspects who include
Bill - does not look like his writing
bp - he couldn't construct a sentence if his life depended on it, let
alone one that spans several paragraphs
typhon - I didn't see any threats or cuss words, probably not him)
ribo - never could write two sentences that made sense. Hangs out with
bp too much I guess
jimmy hawaii - dunno, depends on the mood he's in because the points
were full of crap and grandstanding (me too type thing) that amount to
nothing. his style. he's my likely suspect.
jackYo - too long. I have yet to see a post that is more than a few
lines from him.
krud - same as jackyo and also, I didn't see any tongue-in-cheek
humour, the 'krud style'.
The others are just aliases of some detractor or another (to make it
look like there are more of them than there are and to breach our
killfilters), so I'm not going to bother listing them. But I know for
a *fact* that those points came from one of the Usual Suspects listed
above. I'll check DejaNews later and see if I'm right.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>PJL wrote:
>>
> Derek Smart wrote :
>
>>Because
>regardless of my personalities, I know what I have spent several years
>of my life developing.
>
>I have advised Boot editor and Tom that unless they printed a
>retraction or an aplogy, they would be hearing from my attorney
><
>
>
>Did Derek ever get his printed apology? Or is this another lawsuit he
>has pending?
I never got the apology. Instead, I got a boycott. No, I did not sue
because I could not be bothered with it. I did do a press release
about it though. Check my other post.
Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>Jimmy, if all you say above is true wouldn't the best course of action
>be to just ignore him and concentrate on strategy games that ARE
>fun and developers who you trust and believe?
sh*t, I *was* right, it was him!!!!
Damn, I'm good.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>>Courageous <jkra...@san.rr.com> wrote:
Don't waste your breath. He knows this. Its part of 'the game'. As if
when I go looking for work, I have to tell my potential contracting
employees that I'd rather not show my credentials. I mean, think about
that for a minute. As I've said, those who need to know (most everyone
in this group who know me, know this) know and those who don't need to
know, don't. Period. End of story.
PJL
:PJL wrote:
:>
: Derek Smart wrote :
:
:>Because
:regardless of my personalities, I know what I have spent several years
:of my life developing.
:
:I have advised Boot editor and Tom that unless they printed a
:retraction or an aplogy, they would be hearing from my attorney
:<
:
:
:Did Derek ever get his printed apology? Or is this another lawsuit he
:has pending?
What about his personalitieS? Hasn't anyone questioned his insanity?
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
Remove the $ to email me
///////////////
PJL
:
:Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
:look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
How nice of you to assume a lack of honesty on my part.
BTW, you called me a liar when I said that MENSA never heard of you.
here it is:
Derek Smart wrote in message <36c4e74d...@news.mindspring.com>...
:
:Why am I wasting my breath? You lying sack o' shit.
Please look up this thread (BC3K v2.03 and Game Builder System Released!)
and elaborate.
Derek Smart
>Derek Smart wrote in message <373a640e...@news.mindspring.com>...
>:
>:Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
>:look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
>
>
>How nice of you to assume a lack of honesty on my part.
I was being sarcastic. You missed it. I didn't put a smiley in there
because when responding to this sort of crap from detractors, there is
nothing to smile about. Though you, and your kind, may find all this
funny, I don't and neither do a lot of people here.
>BTW, you called me a liar when I said that MENSA never heard of you.
>here it is:
>
>Derek Smart wrote in message <36c4e74d...@news.mindspring.com>...
>:
>:Why am I wasting my breath? You lying sack o' shit.
>
>Please look up this thread (BC3K v2.03 and Game Builder System Released!)
>and elaborate.
They *didn't* say they never heard of me, they updated their computer
system and lady sent me a letter (all the way from the UK), to tell me
that they were digging up my records. Remember, that I already typed
up the letter in full and provided details. I moved back to the US
(fulltime) back in 1993 and the last communique I got from them, was
in 1994 regarding my renewal (my mom sends me all my UK mail). The
*only* reason I rekindled it is because I got something in the mail
from the US charter. I didn't want to start from scratch, so I gave
them my original info and the lady (Sue Dannatt) the UK membership
officer, then sent me the letter. I simply asked them to 'reinstate'
my membership because I did not want to start from scratch or join the
US charter.
Thats all there was to that. Your insinuation was, like everything
else, was inaccurate and yet another attempt to throw more stones. Her
exact words were that they were in the process of re-sorting and
microfilming all their manual records and that it would be done in
batches. Her concluding exact words were (and I'm, again, typing from
the previously posted text) "...the result, it is hoped, will be the
re-capture of data previously unable to be found". I'm not typing all
this shit up again, send me your fax number via email and I'll fax it
to you.
btw, I deactivated my killfilter in this pass so that I could look for
the original to a post that someone did as I'd like to see the entire
version and not the excerpt that Ted posted. For some reason, I
couldn't find it on DejaNews. So, back to the killfilter you go
because I doubt that you have anything new or interesting to add to
any of this, that would pique my interest. In fact, I don't even have
you in my thoughts and that probably explains why I didn't list you in
the Usual Suspects post I recently made in response to something Ted
was addressing. Take care and have a nice day.
Gary Hladik
[snip reply to Ted L. Chen]
>Keep working at it and maybe someday you too can be
>known as ignoramus supremus and asshilarious.
And live in a leaky dumpster, right? :-)
BTW, what happened to the filthy trailer? :-)
Gary
Gary Hladik
[biiiig snip]
>In fact, I *am* aware (because Bill overestimates my reach and
>influence in this industry that I *helped* build and contribute to)
Hmmm. Was this before or after he and Al Gore built the Internet? :-)
Gary
Courageous
> >>PhD and refusing to reveal its origins would be summarily
> >>shunned and excised from the community with extreme prejudice.
> > I would guess in academia you would be 100%
> >grade A correct...and if this were a discussion on someones tenure or
> >scientific reaserch I'd be as outraged as anyone, but we are
> >discussing fucking games.
Derek doesn't claim a PhD in fucking games. He claims a
PhD in fucking computer science.
> Don't waste your breath. He knows this. Its part of 'the game'. As if
> when I go looking for work, I have to tell my potential contracting
> employees that I'd rather not show my credentials.
Derek, you have forgotten that you have told me (privately)
where you got your PhD. This isn't a game. This is most
assuredly not an attempt to discredit you. What it is is
a public disagreement with your stance on not publically
revealing the source of your PhD.
Your "looking for work" argument is specious. To wit:
If I bump into someone in the research community and they
claim to have a PhD and I say "from where" and they say
"I'd rather not say," they're toast. Whether or *not* I'm
a potential employer. If you claim a PhD and refuse to
reveal its origins, you experience the academic equivalent
of summary execution.
If anyone here is playing a game, it's YOU. And the game
is a very self destructive one, I might add.
Bill's game is an entirely different one: one of the biggest
wastes of time I've ever seen. But I suppose I've seen
stranger hobbies.
WHATEVER.
C/
PJL
:On Wed, 5 May 1999 12:23:42 -0400, "PJL" <DO$FERATU@m$n.com> wrote:
:
:>Derek Smart wrote in message <373a640e...@news.mindspring.com>...
:>:
:>:Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
:>:look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
:>
:>
:>How nice of you to assume a lack of honesty on my part.
:
:I was being sarcastic. You missed it. I didn't put a smiley in there
:because when responding to this sort of crap from detractors, there is
:nothing to smile about. Though you, and your kind, may find all this
:funny, I don't and neither do a lot of people here.
Oh, it is very funny.
:
:>BTW, you called me a liar when I said that MENSA never heard of you.
:>here it is:
:>
:>Derek Smart wrote in message <36c4e74d...@news.mindspring.com>...
:>:
:>:Why am I wasting my breath? You lying sack o' sh*t.
:>
:>Please look up this thread (BC3K v2.03 and Game Builder System Released!)
:>and elaborate.
:
:They *didn't* say they never heard of me,
OK, let's just say that they, at that moment, had no record of your
membership. Yet you post it as proof that you were a member. Now I don't
have a PhD (just a masters in Engineering from Stevens Institute), but that
is not really proof of anything.
I said:
<<<
The funniest pathological lie was the MENSA thing. When asked for proof, he
produced an email that said they never heard of him.
>>>
So 'never heard of' = 'no record of.' Unless you meant that since MENSA USA
was soliciting you, that they had heard of you? I don't see a lie there.
You did post a letter or email that said they had no record of you.
<snip the explanation>
:btw, I deactivated my killfilter in this pass so that I could look for
:the original to a post that someone did as I'd like to see the entire
:version and not the excerpt that Ted posted. For some reason, I
:couldn't find it on DejaNews. So, back to the killfilter you go
If I get plonked 10 times, do I get one free?
:because I doubt that you have anything new or interesting to add to
:any of this, that would pique my interest.
Well, that's one way to get the last word.
:In fact, I don't even have
:you in my thoughts and that probably explains why I didn't list you in
:the Usual Suspects post I recently made in response to something Ted
:was addressing. Take care and have a nice day.
I'm deeply hurt. Time and time again I am left off your lists of
detractors.
Ted L. Chen
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:373a640e...@news.mindspring.com...
> look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
>
Actually, I would like to applaud PJL again for posting that thread.. which
in itself wasn't that long. He took the effort to compile all the messages
together (excluding the one-line side-comments). I see no signs of
doctoring Derek. Thanks PJL.
Ted
Ted L. Chen
news:gah00FB...@netcom.com...
Gary, I had to sell the trailer... but I got a new "used" <g> van... which I
live in down by the River!... BTW, I heard the Gathering of Developers are
moving in next door for E3 :)
Ted
Ted L. Chen
> >influence in this industry that I *helped* build and contribute to)
>
>
> Gary
Haha, I wonder if this flame war is the only thing holding the internet up
:)
Ted
PJL
:>In fact, I *am* aware (because Bill overestimates my reach and
:>influence in this industry that I *helped* build and contribute to)
:Hmmm. Was this before or after he and Al Gore built the Internet? :-)
Perhaps he was talking about the industry that produces incomplete, buggy
games.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
Remove the $ to email me
///////////////
:
:Gary
PJL
:
:Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
:news:373a640e...@news.mindspring.com...
:> On Tue, 04 May 1999 17:40:16 -0400, "jac...@123.com" <jac...@123.com>
:> wrote:
:>
:> Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
:> look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
:>
:
:detractor that ever lived) again for posting that thread.. which in itself
:wasn't that long, despite the long winded verbiage of Derek. He took
:the effort, above and beyond the call of normality, to compile all the
:messages together (excluding the one-line side-comments). I see
No, it was just one post.
If I have ever doctored a post it would be to remove profanities.
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>>ji...@hgea.org wrote:
>>Ask yourself why would someone want to claim false credentials in the
>>first place. We all know that DS likes to make extreme claims to his
>>credit when he has never shown one iota of proof.
>>1) PhD
>>2) Mensa member, strange they never heard of him.
>>3) His Novell credentials which others have said that it was for a
>> 2-day class.
>>4) His claims to a neural net AI in his game which reviewers have
>> said there is no proof of it
>>5) His claims that the game will be the last thing you ever desire,
>> in it original state was a buggy, over-hyped piece of crap and in
>> its current state it is a piece of less buggy, over- hyped old
>> piece of crap.
>>6) His claim that Take Two released the wrong version, which
>> logically is a piece of fiction considering that it took DS 2
>> years and many, many patches later to even see a somewhat working
>> version of his original game.
>>7) DS claims he has people killfiled yet he still responds.to posters
>> that he claims he has killfiled.
>>8) Claims that his game is a success now, strange concept of success
>> when his game is released as a bargain basement game with only a
>> few software chains carrying it and most of those chains only
>> bought enough to a single copy into each store. On that basis, I
>> guess every game that ever came out would be a success.
>>9) DS has claimed that he would quit the flamewar numerous times but
>> seems to keep coming back.
>>
>>Only a sampling of the many extreme claims that DS has posted.
>Jimmy, if all you say above is true wouldn't the best course of action
>be to just ignore him and concentrate on strategy games that ARE
>fun and developers who you trust and believe?
Well, can't really ignore him since I don't care for DS's attitude in
these groups that I frequent.
As for other games, I do play them and do support developers that have
a presence on these groups. Let's see, I've bought Enemy Nations
because of David Thielen, after buying it I didn't much really like
it. I have never said anything bad about David or Windward Studios
because they never over hyped their game and behaved totally opposite
of how DS has behaved.
Bought I-War from Particle Systems, this was the European version that
was imported before the US version. Bought it because of Steve's
presence in this group and the professional way that he has always
responded totally unlike DS. Never got around to finishing it but
will soon, I hope.
Others, bought Civ 2 because liked Civ 1 and not necessarily because
of Brian, though I did purchase Gettysburg because of Brian and the
favorable responses for it.
Rasta, believe me, I have at least 10-15 games waiting for me to get
to and these are from developers I would gladly buy from again. I was
even planning on getting Tone Rebellion because of a person from Logic
Factory, forget his name, but by the time I was ready to get it, it
was gone from the shelves. But I would gladly support Logic Factory
games, even after Ascendancy because their presence here are not
antagonistic towards the gaming community nor do they lie and make
outrageous claims like DS.
I do not claim any sort of neutrality like some would be DS supporters
and then only blame the detractors for this flamewar. DS has been
here for the last 2-3 years carrying on the same flamewar with
numerous different people. Even Bill, out of all the detractors has
logged the longest time of this flamewar against DS doesn't even come
close to the number of times DS has posted nor has he even come close
to the amount of time that DS has kept this flamewar alive. I believe
that Dan hiding behind several cowardly handles has logged more
messages than Bill.
Like Typhon, I despise DS as I would any scam artist. DS has only
himself to blame for the state of things, he could have easily just
told the truth and things would have settle down, but he continues to
change stories, perpetuate lies that he fabricated that no one but a
handful actually believe, though those would believe anything DS said
no matter the facts or non-existance of facts.
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
>news:7gmu0s$ata$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...>
>> I wouldn't even think twice about giving out my information. However,
>given
>> the fact that they do exist, any reasonable person should easily see a
>> reason for not giving you the information. I'm guessing this or some
>> similar line of reasoning is what that unmentioned game magazine went
>> through and I'm happy to see that they didn't bend over to some lone
>person
>> who happened to throw a tantrum when Derek refused to tell him where he
>went
>> to school.
>Ted, that's all bullshit. If Derek gave the name of the school, there
>certainly wouldn't be armies of hackers breaking into their computers to
>verify the data. Why bother? All anyone would have to do his call and ask,
>since schools routinely field credential verifications because THEY ARE
>NORMAL, EVERYDAY, COMMONPLACE EVENTS!!! Employers call all the time
>checking the same thing. Only Derek and you think that there is anything
>odd about revealing the name of where you attained a degree.
>
>It has nothing to do with any of the above factors. It has to do with
>Derek's vast ego, his baseless claims, and the fact that his degree was
>almost certainly mail-ordered from a non-accredited institution. He as much
>as admits so himself in many of his latest posts.
Sorry Typhon, having trouble with this ISP and keeping posts long
enough so I can read them. Couldn't find Ted's but wanted to respond
to Ted.
Ted, you say it's okay for DS not post his school on usenet but is it
okay for him to post a juvenile's address on usenet? I noticed you
never did say anything, unless I missed the post where you did. Why
is it okay for DS to post someone's address here but not his school?
Sort of hypocritical of you, but I notice that would be claimants of
neutrality are not really neutral.
Gary Hladik
>Gary Hladik wrote in message ...
>:dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart) writes:
>:
>:[biiiig snip]
>:
>:>In fact, I *am* aware (because Bill overestimates my reach and
>:>influence in this industry that I *helped* build and contribute to)
>:
>:Hmmm. Was this before or after he and Al Gore built the Internet? :-)
>Perhaps he was talking about the industry that produces incomplete, buggy
>games.
Right. The computer game industry. :-) :-)
Gary
Ted L. Chen
PJL <DO$FERATU@m$n.com> wrote in message
news:7gq6bs$433$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com...
LOL, i caught that... hey how about loaning your best friend some $$$... :)
Ted
Ted L. Chen
news:3730a595....@news.hgea.org...
> On Tue, 4 May 1999 13:40:50 -0700, "Typhon" <Typ...@sprintmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ted L. Chen <TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
> >news:7gmu0s$ata$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...>
>
>
> >Ted, that's all bullshit. If Derek gave the name of the school, there
> >certainly wouldn't be armies of hackers breaking into their computers to
> >verify the data. Why bother? All anyone would have to do his call and
ask,
> >since schools routinely field credential verifications because THEY ARE
> >NORMAL, EVERYDAY, COMMONPLACE EVENTS!!! Employers call all the time
> >checking the same thing. Only Derek and you think that there is anything
> >odd about revealing the name of where you attained a degree.
Anyways, since you obviously missed my post, it just giving a *possible*
reasoning for not giving out your school information over Usenet
particularly concerning Derek's case. Typhon misunderstood the concern and
merely thought I was talking about general verification. Instead the
original comment centered on hacker's and disgruntled buyers (ver 1.0) of
BC3K. Anyways, Dejanews should have a log of this post.
> Sorry Typhon, having trouble with this ISP and keeping posts long
> enough so I can read them. Couldn't find Ted's but wanted to respond
> to Ted.
>
> Ted, you say it's okay for DS not post his school on usenet but is it
> okay for him to post a juvenile's address on usenet? I noticed you
> never did say anything, unless I missed the post where you did. Why
> is it okay for DS to post someone's address here but not his school?
> Sort of hypocritical of you, but I notice that would be claimants of
> neutrality are not really neutral.
I didn't mention anything about Derek Smart's behaviour in that post. It
had nothing at all to do with the argument. If the argument had been about
his personality, then fine, inclusion would have made sense. So please,
before you start running around calling me hypocritical, you could at least
take the decency of reading one of my posts, instead of just a partial
snippet. Thank you very much.
Ted
Derek Smart
<TAKETHISO...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>news:373a640e...@news.mindspring.com...
>> On Tue, 04 May 1999 17:40:16 -0400, "jac...@123.com" <jac...@123.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks PJL, that is the post I was going to go look for. I will still
>> look to see if you doctored it or posted a one sided version.
>>
>
>Actually, I would like to applaud PJL again for posting that thread.. which
>in itself wasn't that long. He took the effort to compile all the messages
>together (excluding the one-line side-comments). I see no signs of
>doctoring Derek. Thanks PJL.
Agreed, I checked. I didn't think he would though, I was just being
sarcastic.
Derek Smart
LOL, I did too :)