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Louis J.M

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Nov 7, 2001, 11:15:19 PM11/7/01
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Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:afcf4f93.0111...@posting.google.com...
> "AG" <a...@me.ca> wrote in message news:<Vp%F7.150325$oa2.48...@news2.rdc1.ab.home.com>...
>
> > Hey, maybe now that you have a little knowledge of economics you can start
> > to understand why bashing your customers is a 'bad thing', or 'stupid' as we
> > say in the academic circles.
> >
> > Tell me if I'm going to fast for you and I'll let you 'try to keep up'.
>
> This proves you don't meet Derek's ethical standards.
>
> The big dog has told people upfront that they may wish to cancel their
> order based on these minor delays. He's doing so even though it could
> disadvantage him financially.

He's probably just adressing his 'user base'. As far a I know, BCM has
generated only 61 preorders. Not only does BCM probably take the highest
record for missed release dates, it probably takes the lowest ever
recorded pre-orders for a game too.

And no doubt Mr.Smart has been very pissed about this; pissed that every
joke about BCM failing turned out to be true, and then some. And look at
all the new problems surfacing now!

Derek has been so pissed off he had his top rank and file fruitcake design
a site just about us. He vowed that after BCM was on the shelves and he was
raking in the cash and had 'time on his hands' he'd drag us all into court
for making fun of him and have us put behind bars?

Instead of an all-expense-paid trip to South Florida, instead of being
hearing Johhnie Cochran preach about emotional damages, what do we get
instead?

The Cyberstalkers Web Page.

> He's being honest and upfront - a class act all the way.

Yeah, a real class act. Real upfront guy. If Derek Smart is a class
act, then I'm Frank f!@#$! Sinatra.

> If he
> instead responded with blithe generalities the way marketing
> departments often do, I'd think less of him.

You mean like Derek does every time he's asked a simple question?
Grasp your ears firmly and pull your head out of your ass. Derek
Smart is a loon; a textbook case of NPD.

He has about as much hindsight as a sand shrimp.

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Dan Fens

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Nov 9, 2001, 8:09:24 PM11/9/01
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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<rFnG7.176930$W8.59...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

> Instead of an all-expense-paid trip to South Florida, instead of being
> hearing Johhnie Cochran preach about emotional damages, what do we get
> instead?
>
> The Cyberstalkers Web Page.

I'm curious to know what the contents of this page are - I have seen
no such thing.

> You mean like Derek does every time he's asked a simple question?
> Grasp your ears firmly and pull your head out of your ass. Derek
> Smart is a loon; a textbook case of NPD.

I see. Are you really qualified to make such an assessment?
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a serious condition (often
requiring hospitalisation, albeit for a short time in most cases), and
should be treated by a competent psychiatrist. If you genuinely
believe that Derek suffers from NPD but you continue to attack him,
you are just about the lowest form of life on the planet - attacking
someone with such a disorder is like kicking a child in the head.

I don't believe Derek has any such condition, but you do and you still
attack him - proof that you need to think more about your moral
standards.

Dan Fens, PhD

Bill Huffman

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Nov 10, 2001, 1:47:50 AM11/10/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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My understanding is that NPD is not really very often treatable. People with NPD
are unlikely to seek help for their personality disorder. Having NPD does not
mean that they cannot function in society. It means that they will likely appear
to be an asshole when they interface with others. In clinical terms being an NPD
means that they are likely an asshole to their very core.


Dan Fens

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Nov 10, 2001, 7:25:25 AM11/10/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<q44H7.29819$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...


1) That has no relevance to my argument - you believe him to be
mentally ill, but you attack him anyway. I, quite seriously, don't
see how you can live with yourself.

2) There's a big difference between being an 'asshole' and being self
centred, and being a real NPD case, who may stay in bed all day, avoid
all his/her friends, refuse to show up to work but still demand to be
paid, etc. There is no ultra-clear line in psychiatric diagnoses, but
you aren't competent to make such a diagnosis in the first place, and
Derek is clearly functional in the second place, which means you
should think hard before you impugn his mental competence.

To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
candour.

Dan Fens, PhD

Bill Huffman

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Nov 10, 2001, 12:28:08 PM11/10/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<q44H7.29819$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...
> > "Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:afcf4f93.01110...@posting.google.com...
...

> > > I don't believe Derek has any such condition, but you do and you still
> > > attack him - proof that you need to think more about your moral
> > > standards.
> >
> > My understanding is that NPD is not really very often treatable. People with
NPD
> > are unlikely to seek help for their personality disorder. Having NPD does
not
> > mean that they cannot function in society. It means that they will likely
appear
> > to be an asshole when they interface with others. In clinical terms being an
NPD
> > means that they are likely an asshole to their very core.
>
>
> 1) That has no relevance to my argument - you believe him to be
> mentally ill, but you attack him anyway. I, quite seriously, don't
> see how you can live with yourself.

Dan, you seem to be have missed the point that NPD is a personality disorder. It
is not a mental illness. The penal system is full of people with personality
disorders. I don't feel sorry for the criminals in jail. Just like I don't feel
sorry for Derek Kevin Smart, the fraud.

> 2) There's a big difference between being an 'asshole' and being self
> centred, and being a real NPD case, who may stay in bed all day, avoid
> all his/her friends, refuse to show up to work but still demand to be
> paid, etc. There is no ultra-clear line in psychiatric diagnoses, but
> you aren't competent to make such a diagnosis in the first place, and
> Derek is clearly functional in the second place, which means you
> should think hard before you impugn his mental competence.
>
> To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
> attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
> to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
> someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
> candour.

You don't know what you are talking about.


Dan Fens

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Nov 10, 2001, 7:40:30 PM11/10/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<IsdH7.30624$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...

> > To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
> > attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
> > to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
> > someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
> > candour.
>
> You don't know what you are talking about.

No, you just can't admit what's going on, because you don't want to
admit to yourself how despicable your behaviour is.

Dan Fens, PhD

TJ

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Nov 11, 2001, 12:06:17 AM11/11/01
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dfe...@yahoo.com.au (Dan Fens) wrote in message news:<afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com>...

> To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
> attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
> to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
> someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
> candour.
>
> Dan Fens, PhD

That's like saying Bugs Bunny shouldn't attack Daffy Duck. Ridiculous!
And you have to admit, Derek and Daffy have a lot in common:

Daffy: Apparently, Bugsy Boy doesn't realize that he is up against a
superior adversary this time.
Derek: As usual, he has SEVERELY underestimated me.
-----
Daffy: I've told you peons a thousand times not to starve on my
property! It lowers the value!
Derek: You're an *artist* for crying out loud. In short, a farm hand.
-----
Daffy: I'll slap him with a habeas corpuscle.
Derek: The arms of the law turn slowly, but they do turn.
-----
Daffy: I'll see what the little stinker is up to on my super video
detecto set.
Derek: The reason the scroll-bar was half down, is because I use a
virtual desktop re-sizing utility.
-----
Daffy: I'm losing my patience
Derek: I have had ENOUGH. Its THAT SIMPLE.
-----
Daffy: I'm gonna fix that goon's wagon myself
Derek: I - will - make - you - pay. This, I promise.
-----
Daffy: I certainly hope you appreciate what I've done for you.
Derek: ... this constant personal attack will continue to overshadow
the good that I have done and continue doing for the sake of my
company, my team and most of all, my gamers.
-----
Daffy: All right, enough is enough. This is the final, this is the
very, very last straw
Derek: This will be the last time I'm telling you to stop this crap.
-----
Daffy: Fool around with me, will ya?
Derek: Tenacious is just the beginning and doesn't even begin to
account for my resolve.
-----
Daffy: This means war.
Derek: As of today, I am declaring open season on each and every one
of you.
-----
Daffy: It's colossal! It's stupendous! It's magnificent! It will be my
masterpiece.
Derek: Ambitious? Yes. But what else would you expect from the creator
of what is regarded as the most ambitious game series of all time?
-----
Daffy: Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich!
Derek: I was once a rich, make that *very* rich individual. Still got
the quiet and comfortable life and the toys to prove it.
-----
Daffy: I'll take care of this little joker.
Derek: Bill, the freight train is coming. I'm on it.

TJ

Vostok

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Nov 11, 2001, 1:00:15 AM11/11/01
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Well done. Very impressive.

Vostok

Bill Huffman

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Nov 11, 2001, 1:17:38 AM11/11/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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You are a totally ignorant clueless fool. YOU claim that I know that Derek Kevin
Smart is mentally ill. Listen again you lying despicable protector of a fraud. I
do NOT believe that he is mentally ill. Stop lying about what I believe. You are
ignorant about the things the speak. I said that I believe that he has a
personality disorder. I said that I do not believe that he is mentally ill yet
you continue this same ignorant lie. You really are a bird of a feather like
Derek Kevin Smart, the lying fraud, aren't you?

Now if you want to protect the behavior of an academic fraud that likes to forge
racist emails then be my guest. I suggest you stop lying about what I believe
because it makes you look and smell ignorant. You're stinking up the place Dan.
Now Dan, may I suggest that you apologize for stinking up the place with your
ignorant lies?


Dan Fens

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Nov 11, 2001, 5:52:32 AM11/11/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<6KoH7.31268$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...

You really are a bird of a feather like
> Derek Kevin Smart, the lying fraud, aren't you?

You don't even know Dereks correct name, but you claim to know all
about his psyche. That's completely incredible.

Your emotional response is understandable. You are probably a decent,
compassionate man, and you wouldn't attack someone in this way if you
realised that they were a real human like yourself. These insults
help dehumanise Derek, but you can't escape the reality that he's a
person like yourself. Meditate on that briefly before you consider
launching into more accusations against him. If you call it a peace
and apologise, I'm sure he'll be more than reasonable.

> Now if you want to protect the behavior of an academic fraud that likes to forge
> racist emails then be my guest. I suggest you stop lying about what I believe
> because it makes you look and smell ignorant. You're stinking up the place Dan.
> Now Dan, may I suggest that you apologize for stinking up the place with your
> ignorant lies?

What ignorant lies? You've already listed a number of imaginary ills
I committed, and have labelled me 'Delirious Dan', 'Damaged Dan', etc
- the shoe is firmly on the other foot.

Take a look at the messages currently on the newsgroup - it features
no misbehaviour by Derek, but plenty of jokes and nasty remarks at his
expense, and people searching out his statements on other boards in
order to mock him further.

Is this really what you want to tell your children you achieved in
your life?

Dan Fens, PhD

Dan Fens

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Nov 11, 2001, 6:02:28 AM11/11/01
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t1...@yahoo.com (TJ) wrote in message news:<7dd20140.01111...@posting.google.com>...

> dfe...@yahoo.com.au (Dan Fens) wrote in message news:<afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
> > attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
> > to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
> > someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
> > candour.
> >
> > Dan Fens, PhD
>
> That's like saying Bugs Bunny shouldn't attack Daffy Duck. Ridiculous!
> And you have to admit, Derek and Daffy have a lot in common:

No, I don't. But I will say that Huffman reminds me of Pepe Le Pew -
he's obssessed with one thing, gets it wrong most of the time, and
never realises how noxious his presence is.

Dan Fens, PhD

Lemming

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Nov 11, 2001, 11:42:39 AM11/11/01
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t1...@yahoo.com (TJ) wrote:

>dfe...@yahoo.com.au (Dan Fens) wrote in message news:<afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
>> attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
>> to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
>> someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
>> candour.
>>
>> Dan Fens, PhD
>
>That's like saying Bugs Bunny shouldn't attack Daffy Duck. Ridiculous!
>And you have to admit, Derek and Daffy have a lot in common:
>

>Daffy: Apparently, ...

[snip]

*Applause*

--
Lemming

Curiosity *may* have killed Schrödinger's cat.

Rico

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Nov 11, 2001, 11:53:31 AM11/11/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> Is this really what you want to tell your children you achieved in
> your life?
>
> Dan Fens, PhD

I'm sure somewhere along the path of achieving your "PhD" (I'm starting to
doubt the veracity of that claim), they taught you the concept of a "non
sequitur." Specifically: What makes you think this is some noble, all
consuming goal of Huffmans? It's mild entertainment. It's like telling
someone "Griping about the Cincinnati Bengals is a waste of time. Is this
what you want to tell your children you achieved in life?" Anyone who knows
about the Bengals football team knows that griping about them is
entertainment. Griping about the loony behavior of Smart is entertainment
in the same vein.

Get over it! Move on with your life. Go defend some endangered fungus or
something like that. You know, something worth spending your valuable time
on. After all, is defending a net loon like Smart something you want to
tell your children you achieved in life?

- Rico


Bill Huffman

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Nov 11, 2001, 12:31:14 PM11/11/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com...
> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<6KoH7.31268$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...
> You really are a bird of a feather like
> > Derek Kevin Smart, the lying fraud, aren't you?
>
> You don't even know Dereks correct name, but you claim to know all
> about his psyche. That's completely incredible.

What is Mr. Smart's correct name? I never claimed to know all about his psyche.
For you it's par for the course that you would lie about what I believe.

> Your emotional response is understandable. You are probably a decent,
> compassionate man, and you wouldn't attack someone in this way if you
> realised that they were a real human like yourself. These insults
> help dehumanise Derek, but you can't escape the reality that he's a
> person like yourself. Meditate on that briefly before you consider
> launching into more accusations against him. If you call it a peace
> and apologise, I'm sure he'll be more than reasonable.

Derek Kevin Smart, I'm sorry that you continue being an academic fraud. You
really should stop. As I've said before if you stop your academic fraud then I
will stop calling you a fraud. Perhaps we could even be buddies?

> > Now if you want to protect the behavior of an academic fraud that likes to
forge
> > racist emails then be my guest. I suggest you stop lying about what I
believe
> > because it makes you look and smell ignorant. You're stinking up the place
Dan.
> > Now Dan, may I suggest that you apologize for stinking up the place with
your
> > ignorant lies?
>
> What ignorant lies? You've already listed a number of imaginary ills
> I committed, and have labelled me 'Delirious Dan', 'Damaged Dan', etc
> - the shoe is firmly on the other foot.

Those were lists of things done by Mr. Smart. It was labeled via names for Many
Names Dan. I didn't think that you were Many Names Dan but I guess you could be
if you say so.

> Take a look at the messages currently on the newsgroup - it features
> no misbehaviour by Derek, but plenty of jokes and nasty remarks at his
> expense, and people searching out his statements on other boards in
> order to mock him further.

What's your point? Setting up another lie as to what other people believe?

> Is this really what you want to tell your children you achieved in
> your life?

So Dan tell us again your lie about what I believe.


Louis J.M

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Nov 11, 2001, 2:31:40 PM11/11/01
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Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:afcf4f93.0111...@posting.google.com...

Pepe Le' Peu? Huffman has always reminded me of Columbo.

ji...@hgea.org

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Nov 11, 2001, 3:05:29 PM11/11/01
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This person is really beginning to sound more and more like Dan
Brooks.

Btw, is that more despicable than forging an email to make it racist
hate message?

Is it more despicable than trying to get someone fired from his
employment?

Is it more despicable than claiming a fake PhD?

Is it more despicable than wishing a veteran's death?

etc.

Bill Huffman

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<ji...@hgea.org> wrote in message
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Dan Brooks liked to also lie about what other people believed like this Dan Fen
guy.


Dan Fens

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Nov 11, 2001, 7:37:52 PM11/11/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<CByH7.31474$D5.11...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...

> Derek Kevin Smart, I'm sorry that you continue being an academic fraud. You
> really should stop. As I've said before if you stop your academic fraud then I
> will stop calling you a fraud. Perhaps we could even be buddies?

You know what I meant.

Derek's quite open about the fact that his PhD was from a
non-accredited institution, by the way. No fraud there. I think you
are just desperate for an excuse to attack him.

> > What ignorant lies? You've already listed a number of imaginary ills
> > I committed, and have labelled me 'Delirious Dan', 'Damaged Dan', etc
> > - the shoe is firmly on the other foot.
>
> Those were lists of things done by Mr. Smart. It was labeled via names for Many
> Names Dan. I didn't think that you were Many Names Dan but I guess you could be
> if you say so.

You're not making sense. If Derek did those things, then why would
you tag each one with aliases of another person called Dan (which is
what I understand from that statement)?

> > Take a look at the messages currently on the newsgroup - it features
> > no misbehaviour by Derek, but plenty of jokes and nasty remarks at his
> > expense, and people searching out his statements on other boards in
> > order to mock him further.
>
> What's your point? Setting up another lie as to what other people believe?

No lie. Simple truth. You're currently cluttering two newsgroups
with slurs. Derek Smart is doing . . . nothing. After what your
country has been through, I would expect a little more perspective.

Dan Fens, PhD

foamy

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Nov 11, 2001, 9:03:35 PM11/11/01
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In article <afcf4f93.0111...@posting.google.com>

, dfe...@yahoo.com.au (Dan Fens) wrote:

>Derek's quite open about the fact that his PhD was from a
>non-accredited institution, by the way. No fraud there. I think you
>are just desperate for an excuse to attack him.

Utter nonsense. The fraud denied he bought a phony degree for eons,
and only admitted it after a private e-mail was made public wherein he
confirmed it was purchased from a degree mill.

You really should get a solid understanding of the facts before you
pipe up with uninformed drivel like this.


Jim

Louis J.M

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Nov 11, 2001, 11:22:22 PM11/11/01
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Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:afcf4f93.0111...@posting.google.com...

> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<CByH7.31474$D5.11...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...
> > Derek Kevin Smart, I'm sorry that you continue being an academic fraud. You
> > really should stop. As I've said before if you stop your academic fraud then I
> > will stop calling you a fraud. Perhaps we could even be buddies?
>
> You know what I meant.
>
> Derek's quite open about the fact that his PhD was from a
> non-accredited institution, by the way.

No he hasn't.

> No fraud there. I think you
> are just desperate for an excuse to attack him.

Mr.Smart continually incites trouble on this newsgroup because of the
arrogant, disruptive, dishonest things he posts to this public forum.

It is a very simple concept to understand.

It seems to be his whole purpose for posting messages to this newsgroup.
He has done this in other forums as well, with the same result. Who's
fault is that?

This is not just confined to this newsgroup, or other forums, but
everywhere he goes. Mr.Smart has made no friends in the computer
gaming industry and is almost universally regarded as a joke.

This is all documented on the Flamewar Follies website. Did you
read what was on there before deciding to attack Bill Huffman?

The reason this group is the main source of flames, obviously enough,
is because it is also the main place Mr.Smart posts messages to. If
you don't believe Mr.Smart is at fault for all these flames, which
it appears you don't, and instead blame people like Bill Huffman, who
simply archive his lies and dissect them, simply look at what he says.

Not only does Mr.Smart lie and insult others, but when he's called on
those lies, he also threatens the same people, on a public forum. What
do you expect?

> > > What ignorant lies? You've already

> You're not making sense. If Derek did those things, then why would


> you tag each one with aliases of another person called Dan (which is
> what I understand from that statement)?

Because Dan Brooks, also known as Dishonest Dan and Hypocrite Dan, has
been known to use multiple aliases along with a lot of 'levity' to get
his point across, and not only do you share the the same first name,
you display the same lack of touch and lack of common sense as he does.

A comparison was inevitable.

This seems to be a recurring habit with you in this thread. Do have
comprehension difficulties, or did you just not invest any effort into
actually doing some research about what goes on this newsgroup before
you decided to inject some levity, Duplicate Dan?

> > > Take a look at the messages currently on the newsgroup - it features
> > > no misbehaviour by Derek, but plenty of jokes and nasty remarks at his
> > > expense, and people searching out his statements on other boards in
> > > order to mock him further.
> >
> > What's your point? Setting up another lie as to what other people believe?
>
> No lie. Simple truth.

Simple truth: If you claim to be a Ph.D, you should be expected to validate
where you got it when asked. You should also expect people to question the
validity of your degree if you fail to provide any legitimate proof of your
qualifications.

And if you prance around like an ass, act like a 10 year old with a self-esteem
problem, trying to impress his non-existant mommy, in a shallow, pathetic attempt
to make grown ups believe that you are an expert in AI, you should also be expect
to be laughed at.

Especially if you are someone as kooky, dishonest and phoney as Derek Kevin
Smart.

> You're currently cluttering two newsgroups
> with slurs. Derek Smart is doing . . . nothing. After what your
> country has been through, I would expect a little more perspective.

Perspective about what?

StL Blues Fan

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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

: news:afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com...
: > "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
: news:<IsdH7.30624$D5.10...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...
: > > > To reiterate, you believe he's mentally ill, and you're still
: > > > attacking him. the fact that it's often hard to get people with NPD
: > > > to stay in treatment is irrelevant to that - you're still attacking
: > > > someone you believe to be mentally ill. That's sickening, in all
: > > > candour.
: > >
: > > You don't know what you are talking about.
: >
: > No, you just can't admit what's going on, because you don't want to
: > admit to yourself how despicable your behaviour is.
:
: You are a totally ignorant clueless fool. YOU claim that I know that Derek
Kevin
: Smart is mentally ill. Listen again you lying despicable protector of a
fraud. I
: do NOT believe that he is mentally ill. Stop lying about what I believe.
You are
: ignorant about the things the speak. I said that I believe that he has a
: personality disorder. I said that I do not believe that he is mentally ill
yet
: you continue this same ignorant lie. You really are a bird of a feather
like
: Derek Kevin Smart, the lying fraud, aren't you?

Dan, according to the National Mental Health Association bill huffman is the
totally clueless, ignorant fool.
http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/91.cfm

bill huffman believes that Derek Smart suffers from NPD and has stated so,
in so many words, numerous times. The NMHA clearly indicates that
Personality Disorders, and NPD specifically, are mental illnesses. There
are other resources on the net that indicate the same. bill huffman
believes that Derek Smart suffers from a mental illness.

From
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/g2699/0005/2699000546/p1/article.jhtml

"Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition
(DSM-IV), a reference standard for mental health professionals, the American
Psychiatric Association distinguishes 16 different subtypes (or categories)
of mental illness. These include:
...Personality disorders. These are maladjustments of personality, including
paranoid, schizoid, schizotypal, antisocial, borderline, histrionic,
narcissistic, avoidant, dependent, and obsessive-compulsive personality
disorder (not to be confused with the anxiety disorder OCD)."

It should be no surprise that bill huffman will pretend that NPD is not a
form of mental illness, Dan, because if he didn't he would have to conceed
that he has been acting despicably. Despicable people are not apt to admit
that they have been acting despicable, as that would serve as further
evidence that they are despicable. Despicable people act exactly as bill
huffman acts.

bill huffman has either lied about his not believing that Derek Smart
suffers from a mental illness or bill huffman is a totally ignorant clueless
fool. One who doesn't want to admit how despicable his behavior really is.


Russy

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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Uh, just one more thing, if you don't mind - it will just take a second -
why did you hide the body in YOUR basement?


Bill Huffman

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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:afcf4f93.0111...@posting.google.com...

...
>Duplicate Dan?

LOL
Most Excellent!


ji...@hgea.org

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Nov 12, 2001, 2:19:46 AM11/12/01
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 04:25:25 GMT, "StL Blues Fan"
<d...@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>bill huffman has either lied about his not believing that Derek Smart
>suffers from a mental illness or bill huffman is a totally ignorant clueless
>fool. One who doesn't want to admit how despicable his behavior really is.

Despicable is a person who is willing to use his so-called daughter's
name in order to gain people's sympathy in a flamewar. Sending an
email to someone with his so-called daughter's name in it and then
when that person responds via email, the despicable person then takes
said email then posts it in the newsgroups claiming that his so-called
daughter is being stalked.

Despicable is a person who is willing to try to get a person fired
because of the above.

Despicable is a racist like little Danny boy.

James Garvin

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Nov 12, 2001, 11:38:28 AM11/12/01
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Dan Fens wrote:
>
> No, I don't. But I will say that Huffman reminds me of Pepe Le Pew -
> he's obssessed with one thing, gets it wrong most of the time, and
> never realises how noxious his presence is.

I think Dan is really Lemming perhaps a :-) or a ;-) will choke him up

Bill Huffman

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Nov 12, 2001, 11:56:26 AM11/12/01
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"Courageous" <jkr...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> >>bill huffman has either lied about his not believing that Derek Smart
> >>suffers from a mental illness or bill huffman is a totally ignorant clueless
> >>fool.
>
> Derek may or may not be wildly narcissistic, but take all of the
> various personality disorders with a grain of salt. The
> most of them are flim-flam, and they ought not be in the DSM
> to begin with.
>
> Recall that these are the same people who entered homosexuality
> into their book as a diagnoseable illness not all that long ago.
>
> The vast majority of these things seem to be ways of clustering
> together the kinds of human behavior that are current in the least
> regard and categorizing them, enumerating within the category,
> and then calling it an "illness".
>
> Maximum bogosity.

Some numb nuts might claim that most of the world was mentally ill after
September 11 because of the general depression. From a pure word definition
point of view it could even be reasonable to do that but I would not generally
agree with that definition of mental illness. Nor would I agree that a
personality disorder should be called mental illness. Here's another example,
someone might argue that Dan Brooks is mentally ill because of his apparent
drive to be the best hypocrite he can possibly be. He has managed to do almost
everything that he has flamed others for doing with the only exception that I
can think of is his promise to put up a website featuring me. (Hay that seems to
be pretty strong circumstantial evidence that Dan has something to do with the
Cyberstalker website!)


James Garvin

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Nov 12, 2001, 11:53:19 AM11/12/01
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Dan Fens wrote:
>
> Derek's quite open about the fact that his PhD was from a
> non-accredited institution, by the way. No fraud there. I think you
> are just desperate for an excuse to attack him.

Hummmunnna! Is he realllllly? Perhaps you should enlighten us then.



> No lie. Simple truth. You're currently cluttering two newsgroups
> with slurs. Derek Smart is doing . . . nothing. After what your
> country has been through, I would expect a little more perspective.

Low blow man...low blow

Bill Huffman

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Nov 12, 2001, 2:51:23 PM11/12/01
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"James Garvin" <bo...@nmt.edu> wrote in message news:3BEFFB04...@nmt.edu...

Well, if it ever does come out that Dan Fens is really a detractor in disguise
(or a neutral in disguise) then I will have to dedicate a directory to his most
successful and hilarious antics in the Flame War Follies archives. :-D :-0
;-) :-? :-p


Lemming

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Nov 12, 2001, 3:42:18 PM11/12/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote:

Ack! Afetr all those emoticons, I'd admit it if it really was me. I
still think he's Arsemike's BIL.

Lemming

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Nov 12, 2001, 4:11:56 PM11/12/01
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dfe...@yahoo.com.au (Dan Fens) wrote:

>"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<CByH7.31474$D5.11...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...
>> Derek Kevin Smart, I'm sorry that you continue being an academic fraud. You
>> really should stop. As I've said before if you stop your academic fraud then I
>> will stop calling you a fraud. Perhaps we could even be buddies?
>
>You know what I meant.
>
>Derek's quite open about the fact that his PhD was from a
>non-accredited institution, by the way. No fraud there.

It appears you do not feel your own Ph.D is worth anything more than a
few scribbles on a piece of paper.

Dan Fens

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Nov 12, 2001, 10:18:00 PM11/12/01
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"Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_aTH7.33235$D5.11...@typhoon.san.rr.com>...

> Some numb nuts might claim that most of the world was mentally ill after
> September 11 because of the general depression. From a pure word definition
> point of view it could even be reasonable to do that but I would not generally
> agree with that definition of mental illness. Nor would I agree that a
> personality disorder should be called mental illness. Here's another example,
> someone might argue that Dan Brooks is mentally ill because of his apparent
> drive to be the best hypocrite he can possibly be. He has managed to do almost
> everything that he has flamed others for doing with the only exception that I
> can think of is his promise to put up a website featuring me. (Hay that seems to
> be pretty strong circumstantial evidence that Dan has something to do with the
> Cyberstalker website!)

Now you're seizing on an excuse to pretend you're not behaving in a
pathetically detestable manner by attacking Dr Smart.

You regard DAI as authoritative when it suits you (even though it's
incomplete for foreign degrees), but you ignore the DSM - that means
you think that you know more about mental illness than the best
professionals working in the field.

Your arrogance astounds me, as does your willingness to ignore
reality.

Dan Fens, PhD

Dan Fens

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Nov 12, 2001, 10:28:28 PM11/12/01
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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<28IH7.108654$WW.64...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Not only does Mr.Smart lie and insult others, but when he's called on
> those lies, he also threatens the same people, on a public forum. What
> do you expect?

After what you've done to an innocent man, you deserve to be
threatened.

> This seems to be a recurring habit with you in this thread. Do have
> comprehension difficulties, or did you just not invest any effort into
> actually doing some research about what goes on this newsgroup before
> you decided to inject some levity, Duplicate Dan?

I have researched this, but if you read carefully, selectively and
between the lines, you'll realise why I'm doing what I'm doing.

> And if you prance around like an ass, act like a 10 year old with a self-esteem
> problem, trying to impress his non-existant mommy, in a shallow, pathetic attempt
> to make grown ups believe that you are an expert in AI, you should also be expect
> to be laughed at.
>
> Especially if you are someone as kooky, dishonest and phoney as Derek Kevin
> Smart.

How can you people insist you know so much about him when you don't
even know his real name?

> > You're currently cluttering two newsgroups
> > with slurs. Derek Smart is doing . . . nothing. After what your
> > country has been through, I would expect a little more perspective.
>
> Perspective about what?

about life. Why are you wasting time hounding an innocent man? No
good can come of it.


Dan Fens, PhD

James Garvin

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Nov 12, 2001, 10:57:35 PM11/12/01
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Dan Fens wrote:
>
> After what you've done to an innocent man, you deserve to be
> threatened.

Please...I can accept a lot of things about Derek, but innocent isn't
one of them.



> I have researched this, but if you read carefully, selectively and
> between the lines, you'll realise why I'm doing what I'm doing.

Have you now? Why don't you tell us about Louis, Trainman50, and
Dak'Tari?

> How can you people insist you know so much about him when you don't
> even know his real name?

So what is his real name then? Derek K+ Smart?

> about life. Why are you wasting time hounding an innocent man? No
> good can come of it.

I don't think anyone has been hounding him lately...when he goes away
the flame wars die out...then people like you come in and start
everything back up.

Bill Huffman

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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com...

> "Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<28IH7.108654$WW.64...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
...

> > Especially if you are someone as kooky, dishonest and phoney as Derek Kevin
> > Smart.
>
> How can you people insist you know so much about him when you don't
> even know his real name?

So what is Mr. Smart's real name. Perhaps the reason you don't think it is his
real name is because Mr. Smart said that his middle name is not really a middle
name but the first word of his middle name. Mr. Smart is very proud of his Great
African heritage. To honor this proud heritage his proud last name was changed
to contain a proud secret African name that starts with the proud letter 'K'
hyphenated with his proud American last name, Smart. Mr. Smart is unable to name
the 'K' name that he is so very proud of but, I've come to find out that Mr.
Smart's whole name is probably Derek Kevin-Smart. That would mean that his Great
African heritage that he's so proud of is the Kevin tribe. Now I must admit that
I haven't been able to find any information on the Kevin tribe so it must be a
small but proud tribe that demands that members may not mention the name of the
tribe. (Similar to the degree mill that Mr. Smart uses.)


Bill Huffman

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Nov 12, 2001, 11:29:30 PM11/12/01
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"Dan Fens" <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Dan Fens the arrogant PhD fraud is astounded by the arrogance of someone that
thinks that personality disorder is on an order closer to someone that has a
temper problem than someone that is mentally disabled. Dan Fens the arrogant PhD
fraud is astounded by the arrogance of someone that thinks that PhD frauds
should discontinue their fraud. Dan Fens the arrogant PhD fraud is astounded by
my arrogance? Why thanks for the complement Dan Fens, you arrogant PhD fraud.

Why don't you just apologize for lying about what I believe and be done with it.
I differentiate between personality disorders and severe mental illness. You
can't seem to handle it. So you lie that I believe that Derek Smart is mentally
ill. I have never said that, you lied. I said that I do not consider the likes
of a personality disorder to be a mental illness anymore than someone that is
depressed over the September 11 attacks. You continue with your same lie that I
believed that Derek Smart was mentally ill. You are truly an arrogant PhD fraud
because you claim to know what I believe better than myself. You truly are
ignoring reality when you do this.


Louis J.M

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Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com...

> "Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<28IH7.108654$WW.64...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > Not only does Mr.Smart lie and insult others, but when he's called on
> > those lies, he also threatens the same people, on a public forum. What
> > do you expect?
>
> After what you've done to an innocent man, you deserve to be
> threatened.

Your a real comedian, aren't you?

> > This seems to be a recurring habit with you in this thread. Do have
> > comprehension difficulties, or did you just not invest any effort into
> > actually doing some research about what goes on this newsgroup before
> > you decided to inject some levity, Duplicate Dan?
>
> I have researched this, but if you read carefully, selectively and
> between the lines, you'll realise why I'm doing what I'm doing.
>
> > And if you prance around like an ass, act like a 10 year old with a self-esteem
> > problem, trying to impress his non-existant mommy, in a shallow, pathetic attempt
> > to make grown ups believe that you are an expert in AI, you should also be expect
> > to be laughed at.
> >
> > Especially if you are someone as kooky, dishonest and phoney as Derek Kevin
> > Smart.
>
> How can you people insist you know so much about him when you don't
> even know his real name?

Why don't you ask him, "Dr."Fens. And while your at it, ask why he claims
a degree that he has not earned, and also what is his purpose for posting
to this newsgroup, besides starting trouble?

Nobody here is a fan of his game. Sometimes some people will ask a question
about it. Why doesn't he just address them and refer them to his site?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. You've done a lot of research; would you
mind listing what I did, in your opinion, that would warrant Mr.Smart:

1.)Calling my home repeatedly, with threats of imprisonment and
financial ruin and also harassing and slandering my family for
posting his bankruptcy statement, a public document.

2.) Repeatedly mailing threatning letters to me, with the same intent
on putting me behind bars if I did not immediately cease posting
to this newsgroup, which are_not_written_through_an_attorney.

3.) Threatning to be at my house in 10 minutes with a few friends to
show me what real harassment is.

4.) Following my car into a parking lot.

By the way, do not waste my time and say he did not do these things.

> > > You're currently cluttering two newsgroups
> > > with slurs. Derek Smart is doing . . . nothing. After what your
> > > country has been through, I would expect a little more perspective.
> >
> > Perspective about what?
>
> about life. Why are you wasting time hounding an innocent man? No
> good can come of it.

A better question is: why does Derek waste his time posting derogatory
statements and lies and harassing, threatning and slandering people on
this newsgroup, and then turning around and making a big stink about it?

When something like that bankruptcy statement surfaces, he subsequently
takes some time to bawl his eyes out on the phone to others and recover
from the trauma, then puffs himself up like a gigantic blowfish, and
comes back for another dosage.

He does this on a bi-weekly basis, Dan, and each time with the same result.
Stay awhile. I have seldom encountered such purposeful self-destructive
behavior.

I've agreed two times with Derek to ignore him if he ignores me, and each
time has failed to do this. He couldn't help himself, he had to some lie
about me on another newsgroup or use me as an 'example' and get my attention
again.

Considering this, which of us is the one who is seeking out conflict?

Furthermore, for one who accuses me of harassment, and likes to denounce me as
a "cyberstalker" it is amusing to watch him come crawling back on his belly for
another dose of punishment.

In fact, it wasn't until a few weeks ago he actually got pissed off I rallied
people to complain and had his CyberStalkers Site taken down off of two web
servers.

Since then, I've lost count of how many times that page has been taken down.
Curious also, that he responded directly to me when that happened:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=dsmart%40pobox.com+louis+j.m+you&hl=en&rnum=6&selm=96i1st8ga4uuctp6un5n7g9edmpt5o0o13%
404ax.com

If we are sadists harassing this man, then he is certainly the most willing
masochistic counterpart.

AG

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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> 1.)Calling my home repeatedly

*BING*


Louis J.M

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Nov 13, 2001, 12:36:06 AM11/13/01
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Bill Huffman <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message news:R71I7.34206$D5.12...@typhoon.san.rr.com...

LOL.

Sorry, I know. It's lame to reply with a 'LOL', but I actually am laughing.

Bill Huffman

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"Louis J.M" <Lou...@Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dan Fens <dfe...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:afcf4f93.01111...@posting.google.com...
...

> > How can you people insist you know so much about him when you don't
> > even know his real name?
>
> Why don't you ask him, "Dr."Fens. And while your at it, ask why he claims
> a degree that he has not earned, and also what is his purpose for posting
> to this newsgroup, besides starting trouble?
>
> Nobody here is a fan of his game. Sometimes some people will ask a question
> about it. Why doesn't he just address them and refer them to his site?

There are some detractors that have said they liked his game and say that they
will probably buy BCM.


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