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Beating Birthright's Gorgon

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Rethelstan

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Aug 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/15/97
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Playing as the dwarven military state (forget the name), I immediately
absorbed Chimeron and allied with Sielwode in order to help combat the
Gorgon's advances. I try to avoid attacking the other human nations,
because the it is basically a waste of time. It is far too easy to build
up the economy of the 4 orignial dwarf provinces to the point where you do
not even need new territory. ALWAYS enlist the aid of the High Mage
Aieles. He is a 16th level wizard. I took the gorgon out with his spells
alone. Also be on the lookout for the 13th level cleric who shows up as a
normal ally. You can't have enough Cleric lieutenants to deal with the
Gorgon's skeletal hordes. I defeated the Gorgon, but he didn't actually
die. Just wandered back to his citadel. Still got 100 points and an item
called the gorgon's war banner for my trouble. Knocking over Spiderfell
was ridiculously easy. If there is patch for this game, it needs to make
the evil nations more difficult to defeat.

Piemax

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Aug 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/15/97
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Rethelstan wrote:
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> Playing as the dwarven military state (forget the name), I immediately
...

Knocking over Spiderfell
> was ridiculously easy. If there is patch for this game, it needs to make
> the evil nations more difficult to defeat.

Uhh, isn't the dwarven realm one of the "easy" starting positions? Maybe
try a few of the hard ones
before asking for the difficulty to be turned up? Maybe you'll find
those easy too, but
I suggest that we wait and see...

Pie

Rethelstan

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Aug 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/16/97
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Yeah, the dwarven nation was listed as easy, but the Paladin one isn't,
and I had little trouble crushing Spiderfell with it, while at the same
time keeping the Gorgon axis from advancing into my territory.

Mark

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Aug 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/18/97
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Rethelstan wrote:

The dwarf nation IS easy.
BUT the Alamie nation, listed as HARDEST, IS hard.
You start out with zilch and have enemies all around.
Military build up is hard in Alamie,
Alliances are costly, magic build up is costly too,
and the rolling of the dice in this nation is important,
especially in the early turns of the game.

I'am am on turn 15 of the Alamie province and have managed two oaths of
fealty and various full alliances at the cost of becoming a one province
trade nation (instead of becoming a multiple province nation of military
exploits, as the style of play says it is the way to play this nation,
and now I'm being hassled right and left by avanil and spiderfell and
five peaks. This province is challenging because each turn and action
really is important. Adventures and battles have to be played out,
especially the adventures, I've saved and resaved about every of the 15
turns, and am stuck at about 150 pts. now....

Anyway, this alamie province is tough. But its fun too.

Mark

Piemax

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Aug 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/18/97
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Mark wrote:
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>
> I'am am on turn 15 of the Alamie province and have managed two oaths of
> fealty and various full alliances at the cost of becoming a one province
> trade nation (instead of becoming a multiple province nation of military
> exploits, as the style of play says it is the way to play this nation,
> and now I'm being hassled right and left by avanil and spiderfell and
> five peaks.

Hi Mark- I'm playing Alamie too. I gave away one terriotry at the start
(to the people just E-
they have a level-6 territory you can trade with)
spent a turn or 2 building guilds and trade routes, ruling up
territories, I then
had enough gold to buy a second permissive alliance for mroe trade.
Its now turn 12 or so and Ive just about finsihed conquering Five Peaks
and have bought an
aliance with the people to the W so I can invade Rhoube.
I havent yet hit Spiderfell but Avanil just declared war.
Since Mhoried and I are doing well, I'm thinking I'l be ok.
What do you see as the benefits of getting the stronger alliances in
this case?
Pie

Aaron Contreras

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Aug 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/18/97
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The AI in Birthright really isn't up to the task - but with so many
dang ways to gain power and control over domains, can we really
expect a brilliant AI? Hopefully, when they make the sequel,
they'll have the budget and support (forget Kings Quest XX, The Happy
Bouncy Blonde People,
Ken n' Roberta!) to make the Gorgon as maliciously intelligent
as he should be. =)

Aaron Contreras
Happy Puppy Games

Jeremy Reaban

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Aug 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/18/97
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Well, try playing one of the elven nations. Siewood or Tuarhieval. On turn
6 or so, boom - in come a flood of skeletons, goblins, etc, from the Gorgon
and his allies.

Aaron Contreras <aa...@happypuppy.com> wrote in article
<snip>

Aaron Contreras

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Aug 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/18/97
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I've beaten the game about 5 times - 3 on easy level, and once both on
medium and difficult settings. The hardest game, for sure, was when I
played as Tuornen. Other countries have a great deal of holdings in
Tuornen, and they really love to get together and stomp on you. I found
it kind've odd when Avanil and Boeriune (arch-enemies), Ghoere, Alamie,
Taeghas, Brosengae and Endier all declared war on me - after I declared
war on the universally feared and despised Rhuobe.

A good strategy for the smaller counties with little military might is
to build holdings extensively in kingdoms that are far away from you -
trade routes on the other side of Anuire give you just as much money,
and regent you are making money off of will have to go through a buffer
state in order to stomp you. Having your own land 'clean' of foriegn
holdings is vastly more important to smaller/less militarily capable
kingdoms as well.

More later, been playing this game non-stop. It isn't perfect -
but it's really deep.

Aaron Contreras

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Aug 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/19/97
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Had one of my favorite Birthright moments w/ Tuarhieval. Gorgon brought
in his army,
and I managed to fend him off rather easily with a horde of Archers and
Elven Cavalry.
Got cocky, chased him into his own territory (mountains) and got utterly
butchered. =)
I love how the game reinforces Elves superiority in forests.

And yes, Ward spells and slow growth will help the Elves early on.

Aaron Contreras
Happy Puppy Games

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