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Frankie Howerd

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Mar 19, 2002, 8:59:03 PM3/19/02
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Looking

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Mar 19, 2002, 10:46:48 PM3/19/02
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hmm... I think I'll wait for the next version. Once again EA has made a
golf game that is way too arcadish for my likings.

I had hope once I discovered that Headgate was at least partially in charge.
Maybe next year they will take more of a dominant role and Tiger Woods 2003
will be a better game, more challenging and less arcadish.

Alanb

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Frankie Howerd

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Have you played it?


George

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Mar 20, 2002, 6:39:16 AM3/20/02
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Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing.

It's his loss.

George

Looking

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Mar 20, 2002, 6:57:03 AM3/20/02
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I have and I don't particularly care for it. The game is too easy and
really bears no resemblance to real golf, IMHO.

Alanb


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Sal Simpson

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Mar 20, 2002, 2:46:47 PM3/20/02
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As opposed to all the other realistic golf games that mimic a game of golf
exactly by clicking 3 times using a mouse in front of a computer.

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Alan Bernardo

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Mar 20, 2002, 3:23:28 PM3/20/02
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> As opposed to all the other realistic golf games that mimic a game of golf
> exactly by clicking 3 times using a mouse in front of a computer.
>
While it is impossible to replicate reality, LS still does the best job of
it. Also, all the recently released golf games now have a mouse swing.

And speaking of realism, how is it that I can get 380 yard drives in TW2002?

I'm certainly not knocking your liking TW2002. I personally don't care for
it, and if anyone says that TW2002 is a better golf simulator than LS I'd
have to just flat out disagree. TW2002 just does not cut it. EA has had
years to produce something better than LS, while LS did nothing to improve
its game, except for some cosmetic changes. But they haven't done it. And
now with MS on the verge of developing a real-time swing, the Tiger Woods'
series will be even more of a non-factor in the race for one of the best
golf simulations.

Alanb

DSpezzano

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Mar 20, 2002, 6:02:33 PM3/20/02
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Exactly where did you hear that Links was devloping a real-time swing?


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Looking

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Mar 20, 2002, 7:04:51 PM3/20/02
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Here's the link. It comes from a message on the Links Corner board. The
quote is,

>I asked the guys if they were going to put in a Trueswing type swing
interface, now that the >golfer is 3D (it was "impossible" to do right with
a digitized golfer) and the response is that >they don't feel like they can
do it "right" yet. So not in Links 2003."

Sounds promising. The link to the entire message is,

http://www.sportplanet.com/links/board/

Not sure if this will get you to the actual message. But if you browse the
board and look under the subject "Links 2003 Info", started by Alliegator,
you'll find the whole thread.

Alanb


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Frankie Howerd

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Mar 20, 2002, 8:06:46 PM3/20/02
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"Looking" <fra...@look.com> wrote in message
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> Here's the link. It comes from a message on the Links Corner board. The
> quote is,
>
> >I asked the guys if they were going to put in a Trueswing type swing
> interface, now that the >golfer is 3D (it was "impossible" to do right
with
> a digitized golfer) and the response is that >they don't feel like they
can
> do it "right" yet. So not in Links 2003."
>
> Sounds promising. The link to the entire message is,
>
> http://www.sportplanet.com/links/board/
>
> Not sure if this will get you to the actual message. But if you browse
the
> board and look under the subject "Links 2003 Info", started by Alliegator,
> you'll find the whole thread.
>
> Alanb
>

So you're holding onto LS in the hope they'll implement a feature already in
place in TW2002? Your prerogative.


Nockston

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Mar 20, 2002, 9:26:57 PM3/20/02
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Alan,

I want you to know that on this group, if the post says Alan Bernardo next
to it, I read it everytime. Because you have something to say worth my time.
I disagree with you at times but you own enough grey matter to bring a
perspective that I couldn't have, because, basically I'm not you. I enjoy
that different perspective and opposing views.

Hey, nobody is a bigger Links player than me over the last ... gosh ... 14
years ... is that right? LONG time.

But, I urge you, as a fellow gamer and golfer, to set up Tiger on it's
hardest settings and examine it very closely, all the options, all the
things you can do with it ... basically give it as fair a shot as you can.
Not from the perspective that "Oh...I'm a Links guy so I have to not like
this".

Just from one perspective:

Is it fun?

385 yard drives? Ok ... cool .. I can hit a 6-iron in to this par five ...
see if I can make an eagle.

Maybe see if I can break the all-time scoring record of 59 on the PGA Tour.

Just shoot lights out and see how low you can go.

That can be a lot of fun because everybody likes to succeed. An hour of
mental clamp down to emerge with a hard fought 69 has it's own rewards. You
probably consider that more of an "achievement" than some goofy 58 or
something. I can respect that because I'm a Links player, like you.

But Links doesn't come out until the fall.

Give Tiger Woods a shot. Download Augusta at The Course Depot on Masters
Thursday. Things like that.

Have some fun with it and not take it so seriously as a golf sim but a golf
game.

Now, I play the PS2 version exclusively even though I own both so if you
have a PS2, I urge you to try that version first.

But just try it. Give it an honest to goodness level headed try.

And if you find yourself enjoying it ... that doesn't mean it is a better
golfing experience than Links.

That just means you enjoyed yourself for 45 minutes.

That's all.

And if you didn't enjoy it, come back here and say "Nockston ... you're an
ass".

I can accept that.

:-)

It's not an uncommon reaction to my personality.


Dan Spezzano

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:07:47 AM3/21/02
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Ok no offense, but who exactly is this guy that he spent time asking the
Links team about design decessions? Second, so you're talking about at least
a 1.5 year wait to get a true swing, and thats not even confirmed. I don't
know how you interpet that messages as Links will be adding a TS interface.


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Brett Todd

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:39:01 AM3/21/02
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All due respect, Alan, you sound sort of desperate. The Links team has had
over two years to catch up to Headgate and add a realtime mouseswing. That
it hasn't means that it isn't a priority for them, and that they view it
isn't a priority for the Links audience. In other words, don't hold your
breath.

Brett


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Brett Todd

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:42:51 AM3/21/02
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That's a good recommendation, I think. But I'd go one further and put TW
2002 up as the better golf simulation than Links just for the swing
mechanics. Links is just too auto-pilot these days. The gameplay is still
enjoyable at times, but it's the same gameplay as I was enjoying almost 10
years ago now. What I really don't get is why someone would bother
upgrading. If I played the last three Links games back to back to back, and
then somebody asked me which game came out when, I probably wouldn't have a
clue.

Brett

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Christopher E. Johnson

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Mar 21, 2002, 7:04:12 AM3/21/02
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In article <qpem8.114$rt.21...@news.ripnet.com>,
btodd...@recorder.ca says...

> That's a good recommendation, I think. But I'd go one further and put TW
> 2002 up as the better golf simulation than Links just for the swing
> mechanics.
>
While that may be true I'm not sure if PGA Champ 2000 still isn't the
best overall golf game available. I'm going to give TW a spin this
weekend now that a patch is out, but from what I've seen so far I'm not
sure if TW stands up to PGA Championship's game play. The graphics will
be better, but if the unrealistic results I've been reading about are
true, then I'll probably stick with PGA Champ.

Chris

Alan Bernardo

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Mar 21, 2002, 10:12:10 AM3/21/02
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Brett,

We can go on and on and on about this, as you well know. I just prefer LS
while others prefer a different golf game. Right now, I doubt if that will
change. Those who like PGA will stand by PGA; those who like TW2002 will
stand by TW2002; and those who like LS will stand by LS.

> All due respect, Alan, you sound sort of desperate. The Links team has had
> over two years to catch up to Headgate and add a realtime mouseswing. That
> it hasn't means that it isn't a priority for them, and that they view it
> isn't a priority for the Links audience. In other words, don't hold your
> breath.

Actually I don't think LS felt pressured at all to get its real-time swing
into its game. In the LS community there hasn't been many who have asked
for it. It is a priority, however, but the designers want to get it right
when before it's released. I like that kind of philosophy, rather than
saying "let's get this game out now and we'll fix the problems later."

Just have a look at TW2002's LAN feature (which doesn't work) and PGA2002's
crappy WON service. And both games give the user only one option for online
play. I could name other things that bug me about TW2002, besides the fact
that even after so many versions, TW is still not a very polished game.

But I digress. There's nothing wrong, obviously, with liking TW2002 over
LS2001. I just don't see things that way, and judging by the communities of
each (LS has many more followers than TW has) I think there are many who
agree.

Alanb


Dan Clarke/GamePen

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Mar 21, 2002, 1:51:34 PM3/21/02
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In Alan's defense:

1. Same swing in Links 2003. I doubt seriously this will change.
2. Multiplayer looks to be huge in LS 2003.

3. That being said, I can bide my time between PGA 2K, Links 2001, and
TW2002. I just hope TW2002 keeps getting patched.

In article <eLmm8.84319$ZR2....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,
aber...@mediaone.net says...

Frankie Howerd

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Mar 21, 2002, 8:47:49 PM3/21/02
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Taken from the EA boards....


There have been a few posts regarding the Patch and True Swing.

Here is brief explanation of how True Swing works


True Swing collects shot information during the first few rounds a player
plays at each of the difficulty settings


True Swing then calculates and average based on mouse velocity


Once that average is determined shot power should level out with it peaking
occasionally at or around 110%


We had to fix a bug with Championship mode that in the past was not
calculating the average correctly. This allowed many players to hit the ball
in the 120%+ range and that is not how it was designed to work.


If you are having issues with true swing since installing the patch, play a
few rounds of golf and allow it to calculate your average then try playing
again. The max power in Championship mode should be some where between
90-110%.


I hope this info helps some of you who are having problems. Thanks for
playing and see you online.


Steve
Tiger Woods PGA TOUR PC Team


Frank

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Mar 24, 2002, 10:36:37 AM3/24/02
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Hi,
 
>>True Swing collects shot information during the first few rounds a player
plays at each of the difficulty settings<<
 
Is True Swing the only way to play TW2002??  I use a trackball and I'm not sure how that would work?
 
Right now I play Links LS 2001 mostly.  My big complaint about that game is that after a while, all the courses seem to look alike to me.  I don't know, maybe it is just me.  But I don't get the impression I'm actually playing different courses. 

--
Frank

George

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Mar 27, 2002, 6:18:00 AM3/27/02
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:36:37 -0500, "Frank" <fj...@zoominternet.net>
wrote:

TW2002 has a triclick swing too, but it's not considered as good as
Links. It's not where they were putting their emphasis swing wise.
I've only played it with the trueswing, so I can't really give much of
a comment on the triclick meter.

George

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