CM 97/98 Stamina
Ted Frank
Is there any way to increase a young player's stamina, or should I just
give up on the U-21 prospects I see with stamina ratings of 1?
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Craig S. Richardson
On 6 Jul 1998 21:20:59 -0400, m...@Radix.Net (Ted Frank) wrote:
>Is there any way to increase a young player's stamina, or should I just
>give up on the U-21 prospects I see with stamina ratings of 1?
Some young players have increases in stamina, strength, and/or pace
up to age 21. Some don't. I haven't seen any pattern to it, except
that players who have low values in all three tend to improve more
often than those who have low values in only one, but it's a tendency,
and not a rule. Also, it's not fixed - some players will increase in
one game, then not in the next. For example, Leyton Orient's Sam
Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
during the run-up to the first match.
Like decreases due to age, the increases happen on the player's
birthday.
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TJ
> For example, Leyton Orient's Sam
>Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
>I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
>during the run-up to the first match.
I'm curious how did Sammy perform for you? I just finished a season
with LO and he performed fairly well coming up with goals in some
important games. He went for 1.5 mil to Tottenham at the end of the
season.
I was able to put together a team that earned a promotion.
Unfortunately I'm only playing the demo and can't go any further. I'm
patiently awaiting the release of CM3. Just to see how far I can take
them.
BTW I also picked up Dominic Foley (I've had him while managin other
teams). Very good player has always perfomed well. Was the leading
scorer for LO as well as U21 team player for Ireland.
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>
> >Is there any way to increase a young player's stamina, or should I just
> >give up on the U-21 prospects I see with stamina ratings of 1?
>
> Some young players have increases in stamina, strength, and/or pace
> up to age 21. Some don't. I haven't seen any pattern to it, except
> that players who have low values in all three tend to improve more
> often than those who have low values in only one, but it's a tendency,
> and not a rule. Also, it's not fixed - some players will increase in
> Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
> I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
> during the run-up to the first match.
>
> birthday.
>
> --Craig
I think there may be a link to the number of games a young player plays.
I have noticed the when I started with Micheal Owen for a while after his
b/day his stamina had increased considerably. Not completely sure if they
are linked, but it sounds plausable.
Anthony
Faramir
>
>> For example, Leyton Orient's Sam
>>Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
>>I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
>>during the run-up to the first match.
>
>with LO and he performed fairly well coming up with goals in some
>important games. He went for 1.5 mil to Tottenham at the end of the
>season.
Winston was the big gun in my first two seasons with Orient-- I managed to boost
his ask price high enough that no big club was willing to buy him out on his
Big-Club release clause. In my second season (in Division 2 at time) Winston
tallied 55 goals (paired with Peri Sandria) and helped Orient roll easily to
title. He didn't do as well when we went to Division 1 and I ended up selling
him to Rangers for 5 Million (AND Jim Francis- who is still a mainstay on my
defense now). In almost every try with Orient, he has performed well-- although
like Craig I note that his pace and stamina seem to be a key factor-- if high,
he does *really* well.
Mike Dorn
ICQ 1028886
TJ
>his ask price high enough that no big club was willing to buy him out on his
>Big-Club release clause. In my second season (in Division 2 at time) Winston
>tallied 55 goals (paired with Peri Sandria) and helped Orient roll easily to
>title. He didn't do as well when we went to Division 1 and I ended up selling
>him to Rangers for 5 Million (AND Jim Francis- who is still a mainstay on my
>defense now). In almost every try with Orient, he has performed well-- although
>like Craig I note that his pace and stamina seem to be a key factor-- if high,
>he does *really* well.
Actually he was the second highest scorer for me. Foley being the
number one boot. I also noticed that Winston's ratings don't reflect
his actual performance. He plays better than the numbers say.
Unfortunately I can't go further than one season to see how he really
pans out. I just started a new game and picked up Foley again. How
did you play Heindenstrom? I usually play him in the MC position in a
532. Halfway through the season I tried him at a DC position to make
room for another midfielder. But he didn't seem to like that position
as much.
Does anyone know how the ratings relate to different playing styles?
I know this has been asked before, but I'm curious about the actual
use of the ratings. For example lets say you use a passing style.
Its obvious that you will need players with good passing ratings.
What other, if any, ratings come into play?
I've been doing research for my game and have come up with the idea of
basing a players skill level on the type of style and tactics being
used. For example every player is rated in all categories. His
actual SL for the match is based on the style of play. For example If
I play a passing style the following ratings are used to compute his
skill level for that match: Passing, Pace, and Shooting. Now if I
were using a LongBall style I'd use Heading, Crossing, and Finishing.
This is just a sample. I think CM might use something similar.
What this method forces you to do is to look at players that will fit
into your style of play. You might pick up a player with some high
ratings but if he doesn't have high ratings in the key areas used for
your stly of play he is no good to you. I believe this is the same
with CM.
Actually I'd like to break my system down into two or three
components. For example Offense and Defense. The manager chooses the
a style of offense for example LongBall, CounterAttack, Passing,
Posession. He also choose the type of densive style Zone, M2M, Trap.
Now the players SL is computed the same way based on the offensive and
defensive styles. This method forces you to look at the total player
both for offense and defensive skills. I also want to assign
different physical attributes to a particular style of play. For
example Pace would be a good attribute for a longball style, or
Strength would be a good attribute for a Man 2 Man style.
Oops sorry for the rambling. Just fishing for other thoughts on the
matter.
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Henning Tveit
>Is there any way to increase a young player's stamina, or should I just
>give up on the U-21 prospects I see with stamina ratings of 1?
These are the ones you should not give up on. Most young players have
lowered stats in pace, stamina and strength and possibly influence.
They have hidden their real stats and is given some points as
a birthday present uptil they turn 20 or 21. Look at Michael Owen
or Alex Notman, f.ex. Usually you can spot these players since they seem
to have the same number in both stamina and stength, both 2 or 4 f.ex.
This also means that when you search for young talents you shouldn't
use the normal filter of 10 or whatever in these stats.
--
Henning
Craig S. Richardson
Warning: Discussion of non-generated Leyton Orient players follows...
>> For example, Leyton Orient's Sam
>>Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
>>I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
>>during the run-up to the first match.
>
>I'm curious how did Sammy perform for you? I just finished a season
>with LO and he performed fairly well coming up with goals in some
>important games. He went for 1.5 mil to Tottenham at the end of the
>season.
He did fairly well - 20+ goals in 97/98, but his stamina was low, so I
moved him (also to Tottenham) for 4.2M and bought the
surprisingly-not-in-Premiership-yet Rory Delap. Winston is still
hanging around the fringes of the U-21 team, but like Mike Dorn says:
his pace and stamina are (relatively) low, so this is a game which
he'll do just well, and not really well (I have seen him get capped in
other games).
[bringing in text from a future message in the thread to avoid
multiple postings]
>How did you play Heindenstrom?
> I usually play him in the MC position in a 532. Halfway through
> the season I tried him at a DC position to make room for another
>midfielder. But he didn't seem to like that position as much.
Heidenstrom was a fixture at the 6 position in a straight 4-4-2, and
captain for all of 97-98. 7.6 rating in Div 3, 7.5 in Div 2, then 7
as a sub the next two years in Div 1 and the Premiership. He can play
in defense, but I don't like to do it on a regular basis, since he's
so valuable in midfield. His high adaptability makes him a splendid
reserve, if you can afford better (i.e. non-declining-due-to-age)
players in future years.
Tim Collins
Tim
Faramir wrote:
> In article <35a19a59...@news.earthlink.net>, red...@bigfoot.com says...
> >
> >> For example, Leyton Orient's Sam
> >>Winston - born on 8/6. One of the big things that determines whether
> >>I include him in my long-term plans is whether his stamina increases
> >>during the run-up to the first match.
> >
> >I'm curious how did Sammy perform for you? I just finished a season
> >with LO and he performed fairly well coming up with goals in some
> >important games. He went for 1.5 mil to Tottenham at the end of the
> >season.
>
> Winston was the big gun in my first two seasons with Orient-- I managed to boost
> his ask price high enough that no big club was willing to buy him out on his
> Big-Club release clause. In my second season (in Division 2 at time) Winston
> tallied 55 goals (paired with Peri Sandria) and helped Orient roll easily to
> title. He didn't do as well when we went to Division 1 and I ended up selling
> him to Rangers for 5 Million (AND Jim Francis- who is still a mainstay on my
> defense now). In almost every try with Orient, he has performed well-- although
> like Craig I note that his pace and stamina seem to be a key factor-- if high,
> he does *really* well.
>
> Mike Dorn
> ICQ 1028886
Ted Frank
Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie> wrote:
>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
>Tim
I think because people like to start in Division 3, and Leyton Orient is
perhaps the best squad to manage from that division.
In my one game of CM 97, I've started with Doncaster, got promoted two
years in a row, and then ran into a wall in Division 1 with lots of money
and nowhere to spend it, and management refusing to let me buy back
players that were bought away from me and then put on the transfer list
when they sat on the bench. I accepted jobs with Port Vale and now, I
think, Carlisle or one of the C-teams, and Doncaster's still finishing
between 3d and 6th in Division 1 every year.
I probably could've stayed with Doncaster, but I made the mistake of
selling the Irish U-21 (and then Irish National) MC for over 4 million
pounds instead of holding on to him when I didn't really need the money,
and haven't been able to replace him since.
Still haven't been able to find good goalkeepers. Signed a great one at
Port Vale by accident just before I got a better job.
Craig S. Richardson
wrote:
>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
Because everyone wants the challenge of starting with a Div 3 team,
but Orient is less of a challenge than most. It's really a good Div 2
team with a couple of glaring holes which can usually be filled by
free transfers. Same reason I used to manage Div 1 Leicester (and
thus became a fan) in 95/96 - you could hardly avoid promotion.
I've also managed Macclesfield and Darlington in 97/98, and Cardiff,
Plymouth, Leyton Orient again, and one other team that I don't
remember in 95/96, and made it to the Champions' League with all of
them (except for Darlington, but I'm still in the first season there).
TJ
wrote:
>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
Actually I'm a little embarassed about how I've chosen my teams.
Since I'm fairly ignorant about the English teams (I'm getting better)
I didn't know which one to choose. Of course I knew of most of the
Premier teams specifically ManU, Arsenal, LiverPool, and Tottenham, I
didn't know anyhing about teams in other divisions. So I chose my
teams based on their crests. I know its stupid, but hey now I've
become a true fan and have been folowing "my" teams on the net.
LO seems to be a pretty strong D3 team, I would assume thats why it is
so popular. I also like managing Doncaster, but they have been
relegated from D3. I have no D2 preferences. I do like Wolverhampton
as my D1 team. I will stick to my Div3 teams since it is more fun to
take a team to the Premiership.
BTW, I also like Berwick which plays in D3 in the Scottish league.
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TJ
>captain for all of 97-98. 7.6 rating in Div 3, 7.5 in Div 2, then 7
>as a sub the next two years in Div 1 and the Premiership. He can play
>in defense, but I don't like to do it on a regular basis, since he's
>so valuable in midfield. His high adaptability makes him a splendid
>reserve, if you can afford better (i.e. non-declining-due-to-age)
>players in future years.
I was under the impression that adaptability only affected players
whenever they moved from one team to another. Does it also have an
affect when changing positions?
Jim S
>
> This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
Well, LO is really the class of the Division 3 teams. Most people like
to start in D3 and work their way up to the Premier League, and with
LO being probably the best in D3, they are a logical choice. I myself
went with Cambridge United. My first season I started out decently
enough but slumped in the middle of the season . I also overspent and
the team was losing money monthly. However, we got hot with about 5
games left as the players I obtained started paying real dividends, I
came up with a custom formation that really worked well. But alas, I
still finished the season 18th and was sacked.
But I had put so much work into the game, and I KNEW I had built a
solid foundation at Cambridge United, so I merely created another
manager and took over at Cambridge for Season 2 (a bit of a cheat, I
know). Anyway, my hunch was correct; we took the Division 3 Title in
season 2 (Leyton Orient finished right behind me and were promoted as
well). I was named Division 3 manager of the year.
The following season in Division 2, I made an incredible late charge
from 13th position to take the Division 2 title. In my last 17 games, I
won 13, lost 1 and played to a draw in 3. It was a really incredible
stretch. Once again, Leyton Orient was a serious threat, finishing 4th
in Division 2 that year, a real testament to them as a team. We also
won the Windshield Screen Tournament (can someone explain to this Yank
what the hell that is, anyway? What's with the name and all?). I was
named manager of the year in Division 2.
So now I am in Season 4, in Division 1. Right now we are sitting in
3rd place with 3 wins and 3 draws. I have had the good fortune to have
some really amazing players on my teams. Among them are:
Forward Jamie Woodsford, who led the division in goals in concecutive
years.
Forward Tom Youngs, an under-21 stud who along with Woodford formed a
potent 1-2 punch. Won more Man Of The Match awards than anyone else on
my teams.
Striker Arnar Gunnlaugsson, a sniper from Iceland, of all places. He is
a terrific passer as well as a natural scorer.
Midfielder Mike Cheetham, a real solid midfielder who doesn't make
mistakes and has scored relatively few goals, but some really BIG ones.
Midfielder Ian Thompstone, my capatain and a solid defensive midfielder.
Defender Gary Andison, the heart and sole of my defense, who each year
has led my team in average ratings, even over Woodsford who once scored
45 goals in one season.
Goalkeeper Vince Bartram, who like most goalkeepers has been at times
spectacular and at times exasperating. But no matter who I bring in to
challenge him, and no matter how much better there ratings are, Bartram
always outperforms them. And with 2 divisional titles to his credit, I
can't carp too much.
One note of interest, most of these guys, including Woodsford and
Youngs, 2 guys who could contribute to ANY team, were available to me
via free transfer. You can really build a solid team just by being
dilligent in watching the free transfer lists. Gunnlaugsson I got for
a song from another team.
Now for a question or two; if some of these guys want to move to a
"bigger team" and I don't allow them (they don't have big-club release
clauses), does this effect their morale? And more importantly, does it
effect their performance? And similarly, will Cambridge United ever be
considered a "big team"? If I keep winning and get to Division 1, will
I tehn be considered a big team? If so, I should be able to raid the
smaller teams for the players who have release clauses...
Anyway, just wanted to share my story so far. I am always interested to
hear other stories about people and their teams, so feel free to post
them here or e-mail me.
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>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
Well, Leyton Orient is a *very good* 3rd division team. Probably the
best. It's quite easy to win promotion(s) with them. For example, in
my current game it took me exactly three seasons to get LO promoted to
the premier division. It's the first time I've managed to do that
well, though.
Some great players from LO:
Mark Warren - Very good defender. I usually get lots of cash during
the first season, when some bigger club signs him.
Sam Winston - Sometimes he seems to suck, but in my current game he
didn't. I sold him for 2.7mil during the first season.
Brian Griffiths - Very good striker. Sometimes I even manage to keep
him in my team for some time, before some bigger club signs him.
The D/MRC(?), whose name I can't remember, is also quite good.
And then there is, of course, Bjorn Heidenstrom (who's still on my
team at the start of the 4th season).
Anyway, to another topic: Has anyone else had a great luck with a guy
named Fabrice Akwa? He was probably the biggest reason for my fast
promotion to the premier division in my current game. I signed him
during the first season and he got 33 goals and 12 assists in 39
matches. 2nd season at the 2nd div he managed 40 goals and 27 assists.
3rd season at the 1st div he managed 31 goals and 20 assists. I'd like
to know if this guy is always this good. He doesn't even have very
good stats (most of them under 15).
Craig S. Richardson
Warning - thread divergence - not much CM stamina discussion but many
specifics on Leyton Orient players...
>Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie> wrote:
>>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
>Well, Leyton Orient is a *very good* 3rd division team. Probably the
>best. It's quite easy to win promotion(s) with them. For example, in
>my current game it took me exactly three seasons to get LO promoted to
>the premier division. It's the first time I've managed to do that
>well, though.
>
>Some great players from LO:
>
>Mark Warren - Very good defender. I usually get lots of cash during
>the first season, when some bigger club signs him.
>
>Sam Winston - Sometimes he seems to suck, but in my current game he
>didn't. I sold him for 2.7mil during the first season.
>
>Brian Griffiths - Very good striker. Sometimes I even manage to keep
>him in my team for some time, before some bigger club signs him.
Freudian slip. The Leyton Orient player is Carl. Brian is also an
attacker, but one rung below.
>The D/MRC(?), whose name I can't remember, is also quite good.
Matthew Joseph. Runs hot and cold.
>And then there is, of course, Bjorn Heidenstrom (who's still on my
>team at the start of the 4th season).
>
>Anyway, to another topic: Has anyone else had a great luck with a guy
>named Fabrice Akwa? He was probably the biggest reason for my fast
>promotion to the premier division in my current game. I signed him
>during the first season and he got 33 goals and 12 assists in 39
>matches. 2nd season at the 2nd div he managed 40 goals and 27 assists.
>3rd season at the 1st div he managed 31 goals and 20 assists. I'd like
>to know if this guy is always this good. He doesn't even have very
>good stats (most of them under 15).
I have a game in which he doesn't even appear (of course, the infamous
Alex Notman doesn't, either). He's probably one of the "bubble"
players who may or may not exist depending on what/how many leagues
you are running.
Craig S. Richardson
>>Heidenstrom was a fixture at the 6 position in a straight 4-4-2, and
>>captain for all of 97-98. 7.6 rating in Div 3, 7.5 in Div 2, then 7
>>as a sub the next two years in Div 1 and the Premiership. He can play
>>in defense, but I don't like to do it on a regular basis, since he's
>>so valuable in midfield. His high adaptability makes him a splendid
>>reserve, if you can afford better (i.e. non-declining-due-to-age)
>>players in future years.
>
>I was under the impression that adaptability only affected players
>whenever they moved from one team to another. Does it also have an
>affect when changing positions?
It seems to have an effect on players playing out of position (i.e. at
a position for which they don't even have a "1" rating). Not nearly
enough data to draw any hard conclusions, though - just observation.
Tim Collins
useless, apart from one good striker and a very good young defender who almost always
leaves for around 2 million with a month. Still, I managed to do quite well with them
(Div 3 to Premier in 4 seasons, only missing out on 3 seasons because of a drop in form
of my strikers at the end of the Div 1 promotion campaign. I dropped from 2nd to 5th,
then lost the play-off something like 5-1 on agg)
Craig S. Richardson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:43:12 +0100, Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie>
> wrote:
>
> >This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
> Because everyone wants the challenge of starting with a Div 3 team,
> but Orient is less of a challenge than most. It's really a good Div 2
> team with a couple of glaring holes which can usually be filled by
> free transfers. Same reason I used to manage Div 1 Leicester (and
> thus became a fan) in 95/96 - you could hardly avoid promotion.
>
CM 93. That's how I became a Newcastle Fan :) But then CM 93 was ridiculously easy
anyway.
> I've also managed Macclesfield and Darlington in 97/98, and Cardiff,
> Plymouth, Leyton Orient again, and one other team that I don't
> remember in 95/96, and made it to the Champions' League with all of
> them (except for Darlington, but I'm still in the first season there).
>
You must have a lot of time on your hands. I only manage to get in a season or so a
week, if that, and most of that's going into a new Newcastle game using an update
(Andrei Shevchenko, Alan Shearer and Stephane Guivarc'hup front, how can you go wrong?)
Tim
Faramir
crichar...@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 03:52:33 GMT, red...@bigfoot.com (TJ) wrote:
>
>Warning: Discussion of non-generated Leyton Orient players follows...
>
>He did fairly well - 20+ goals in 97/98, but his stamina was low, so I
>moved him (also to Tottenham) for 4.2M and bought the
>surprisingly-not-in-Premiership-yet Rory Delap. Winston is still
>hanging around the fringes of the U-21 team, but like Mike Dorn says:
>his pace and stamina are (relatively) low, so this is a game which
>he'll do just well, and not really well (I have seen him get capped in
>other games).
I have had him capped in other Orient series-- but in this one, after that
glorius 55 goal season was about it for him-- he is still around in 2008/09- but
only a fringe player now.
>
>[bringing in text from a future message in the thread to avoid
>multiple postings]
>
>>How did you play Heindenstrom?
>> I usually play him in the MC position in a 532. Halfway through
>> the season I tried him at a DC position to make room for another
>>midfielder. But he didn't seem to like that position as much.
>
>Heidenstrom was a fixture at the 6 position in a straight 4-4-2, and
>captain for all of 97-98. 7.6 rating in Div 3, 7.5 in Div 2, then 7
>as a sub the next two years in Div 1 and the Premiership. He can play
>in defense, but I don't like to do it on a regular basis, since he's
>so valuable in midfield. His high adaptability makes him a splendid
>reserve, if you can afford better (i.e. non-declining-due-to-age)
>players in future years.
>--Craig
Craig's mirrors my use of Heidenstrom. Consistently used in #6 spot with same
type of ratings. Currently, I have his clone as my top do-it-all reserve for the
very reasons Craig mentions.
Mike Dorn
Faramir
>
>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient?
>:)
>
>
Orient is a unique 3rd division team. They have some pretty talented players-- a
fairly deep roster (which allows you some flexibility in approach and in
deciding which to keep and which to go) and a solid (for 3rd Division) fan base.
All of which allows you to have a better chance of hitting the ground running
with them. I have been playing Orient as team of choice since I first fell into
the CM series.
Mike Dorn
ICQ 1028886
TJ
On topic question:
How does stamina affect goalies?
Off topic question:
What GKs do you guys usually pick up? I usually pick up Simmons and
Margeston (sp?). Simmons usually doe pretty good for me, I'm at least
able to get promoted to Div2.
As for the question about Akwa I usually end up with him as well as
Ayorinde. Unfortunately I use them only as backups to Foley and
Winston.
Has anyone ever had Neil Rimmer? He's a midfielder, I play him along
side Heidenstrom. Very good player averages around a 7.50 rating.
ARLON G RAHN
I have found three players that have complemented my LO team in
its first season. I signed CM Warren Donald, Mid. Steve Foley and Forward
Andy Sussex all from the transfer wire and have been happy with all three
(all have ratings above 7.5). I also went to the foreign market to get a
striker and a wingback that have also performed well. ONe player (I'm not
sure if he was originally on the roster) that has really done a good job
filling in for me is Jeff or Jason Harris. He has good heading numbers,
but his stats are not really all that great. Yet he consistently scores
goals for me. Anyone know who I am talking about? I also have had a great
deal of success with Heidenstrom, C Def Smith, Winston, Griffiths and some
others listed.
Arlie
On 8 Jul 1998, it was written:
> In article <35aeb8cc...@news.sci.fi>, t...@sci.fi says...
> >
> >Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie> wrote:
> >>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient?
> >>:)
> >
> >Well, Leyton Orient is a *very good* 3rd division team. Probably the
> >best. It's quite easy to win promotion(s) with them. For example, in
> >my current game it took me exactly three seasons to get LO promoted to
> >the premier division. It's the first time I've managed to do that
> >well, though.
>
> Same for me-- straight shot to PR with them.
> >
> >Some great players from LO:
> >
> >Mark Warren - Very good defender. I usually get lots of cash during
> >the first season, when some bigger club signs him.
>
> Very good defender-- very hard to keep <g> Also worth mentioning Dean Smith is
> almost always a very good defender and is usually my early LO Captain.
>
> >
> >Sam Winston - Sometimes he seems to suck, but in my current game he
> >didn't. I sold him for 2.7mil during the first season.
>
> Apt description-- as Craig Richardson pointed out, a lot depends on his original
> numbers and the boost he gets on birthday.
>
> >
> >Brian Griffiths - Very good striker. Sometimes I even manage to keep
> >him in my team for some time, before some bigger club signs him.
>
> I lose him right away in almost every time with LO- so I find a replacement on
> Free Transfer before season starts.
>
> >
> >The D/MRC(?), whose name I can't remember, is also quite good.
>
> Pretty sure you mean Justin Channing-- sometimes a D/M, sometimes only a D. He
> is better as a Wing midfielder and his numbers make him valuable in 442 longball
> (along with David Morrison on the other wing).
>
> >
> >And then there is, of course, Bjorn Heidenstrom (who's still on my
> >team at the start of the 4th season).
>
> Heidenstrom is best 3rd Division player in my mind-- I have not seen any whose
> overall abilities top him.
> >
> >Anyway, to another topic: Has anyone else had a great luck with a guy
> >named Fabrice Akwa? He was probably the biggest reason for my fast
> >promotion to the premier division in my current game. I signed him
> >during the first season and he got 33 goals and 12 assists in 39
> >matches. 2nd season at the 2nd div he managed 40 goals and 27 assists.
> >3rd season at the 1st div he managed 31 goals and 20 assists. I'd like
> >to know if this guy is always this good. He doesn't even have very
> >good stats (most of them under 15).
>
> He is sometimes good, sometimes not- a random generation I think. I have had
> similar experiences with other African players.
>
> Mike Dorn
> ICQ 1028886
>
>
Håvard Moe
<TCol...@tinet.ie>:
>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
As others have explained, they are a good team for being in 3rd. I
usually play Doncaster myself, but have tried Mansfield and Darlington
in 3rd. At the moment I'm managing Plymouth and doing pretty well
(fighting for a spot in Europe in my fith season).
My biggest success was when i lead Doncaster to five PL titles, five
cup titles (FA and Liga), four charity shields at home and three CL
finals, winning two - all within a seven year period.
Håvard Moe
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Tim Collins
it would be funny if a Welsh team won the English Premiership <g> (I am Irish after all)
Tim
TJ wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:43:12 +0100, Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie>
> wrote:
>
> >This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
> Actually I'm a little embarassed about how I've chosen my teams.
> Since I'm fairly ignorant about the English teams (I'm getting better)
> I didn't know which one to choose. Of course I knew of most of the
> Premier teams specifically ManU, Arsenal, LiverPool, and Tottenham, I
> didn't know anyhing about teams in other divisions. So I chose my
> teams based on their crests. I know its stupid, but hey now I've
> become a true fan and have been folowing "my" teams on the net.
>
> LO seems to be a pretty strong D3 team, I would assume thats why it is
> so popular. I also like managing Doncaster, but they have been
> relegated from D3. I have no D2 preferences. I do like Wolverhampton
> as my D1 team. I will stick to my Div3 teams since it is more fun to
> take a team to the Premiership.
>
> BTW, I also like Berwick which plays in D3 in the Scottish league.
Tim Collins
the fun in managing a team which is almost guaranteed promotion. When I took over
Cardiff, I had to dump half the squad and built a new team up almost from scratch.
Then at the end of the season I lost most of those good players on release clauses,
and had to build up all over again for the Div 2 campaign. Fun! :)
Tim
Faramir wrote:
> In article <35A27A50...@tinet.ie>, Tim says...
> >
> >This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient?
> >:)
> >
Timo Eriksson
>>best. It's quite easy to win promotion(s) with them. For example, in
>>my current game it took me exactly three seasons to get LO promoted to
>>the premier division. It's the first time I've managed to do that
>>well, though.
>
>Same for me-- straight shot to PR with them.
I usually get stuck in the 1st division for two or three season before
I make it to the premier division. This time I had some luck with
Fabrice Akwa and being able to sign Vernazza also helped.
>>Mark Warren - Very good defender. I usually get lots of cash during
>>the first season, when some bigger club signs him.
>
>Very good defender-- very hard to keep <g> Also worth mentioning Dean Smith is
>almost always a very good defender and is usually my early LO Captain.
Oh, I forgot him. He's very good usually, but in my current game I
didn't use him because he had poor tackling or positioning, can't
remember which.
>>Brian Griffiths - Very good striker. Sometimes I even manage to keep
>>him in my team for some time, before some bigger club signs him.
>
>I lose him right away in almost every time with LO- so I find a replacement on
>Free Transfer before season starts.
That's what I do also. I've managed to keep him in my squad for the
whole season just once. I was lucky to get him sign a new contract,
which didn't include a big club release clause.
BTW: Someone mentioned that his name is actually Carl Griffiths. Maybe
I couldn't remember his name correctly because it's a rare occurrence
if he stays for over a month in LO. ;)
>>And then there is, of course, Bjorn Heidenstrom (who's still on my
>>team at the start of the 4th season).
>
>Heidenstrom is best 3rd Division player in my mind-- I have not seen any whose
>overall abilities top him.
He can play well even in the 1st division. Also, when he's in my
squad, he usually has the highest average rating of my team at the end
of the season.
<snip Fabrice Akwa>
>He is sometimes good, sometimes not- a random generation I think. I have had
>similar experiences with other African players.
Darn. I hoped I had found a "must sign" player. ;)
Craig S. Richardson
Spoilers for non-generated CM2 players follow:
>ARLON G RAHN <eb1...@goodnet.com> wrote:
>
><snip discussion about Leyton Orient>
>
>>ONe player (I'm not sure if he was originally on the roster) that has
>>really done a good job filling in for me is Jeff or Jason Harris. He has
>>good heading numbers, but his stats are not really all that great. Yet
>>he consistently scores goals for me. Anyone know who I am talking about?
>
>His name is Jason Harris and he's originally from LO. He was also
>surprisingly good in my current game, especially during the 2nd season
>(2div). Most of the time I used him only as a substitute (He probably
>got something like 5-10 starts during the whole season) , but he still
>managed to score close to 20 goals (IIRC). OTOH, his playing went
>downwards in the 1st division.
Heh. My favorite "poison pill". I once used him for 50 games, had
him score 43 goals, and sent him off to join Sam Winston at Boro, both
for over 4.5M, and they combined for about two decent games over the
next three years...
He'll tear up the bottom, but even if he has the ability rating, the
visible ratings aren't good enough at a high level of competition.
--Craig
Timo Eriksson
Ola Nymo Trulsen
promoted to Div 3 after the 1st season. My favourite is Kidderminster. I
like this better than taking control of a team with existing players, since
managing a club with no players allows you to pick out all the players you
want in your squad, from scratch. This way you develop a more personal
feeling towards the club you're managing. :-) Players from top Premiership
clubs who are transfer listed are always top bargains.
Ola Nymo Trulsen,
Games Domain Review
CM2: http://home.powertech.no/otrulsen/cm2/
Craig S. Richardson wrote in message
<6nu387$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:43:12 +0100, Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie>
>wrote:
>
>>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton
Orient? :)
>
Gordon Moore
I created my own team using the CM editor and put it into Division 3.
That way I started from nothing and got to use my own local colours.
It's more fun when you have a local team to cheer for.
Gord
TJ (red...@bigfoot.com) writes:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:43:12 +0100, Tim Collins <TCol...@tinet.ie>
> wrote:
>
>>This may be a dumb question, but how come everone seems to manage Leyton Orient? :)
>
Thomas
I am in season 2, 91 points this season, with 8 games left to play, and I beat Spartak
Moscow to get to the semis of the Cup Winners Cup. (beat Man U for the FA cup in my
first season with LO.) I will be in Division 1 next season no problem.
> >
> >Some great players from LO:
> >
> >Mark Warren - Very good defender. I usually get lots of cash during
> >the first season, when some bigger club signs him.
>
> Very good defender-- very hard to keep <g>
I got 1.4 mil for him.
> Also worth mentioning Dean Smith is
> almost always a very good defender and is usually my early LO Captain.
I still have him. He shared captaincy with Hicks the first season, but I found someone
named Marcelo Saravia, and he is my captain now. Saravia cost me $450 grand to sign,
and he makes $4500 a week, but he is the best captain I have had in any incarnation of
this game, and averages a 8.50 rating and an 8.75 in european competition.
>
>
> >
> >Sam Winston - Sometimes he seems to suck, but in my current game he
> >didn't. I sold him for 2.7mil during the first season.
I have CM2 96-97, so I didnt get Winston.
>
>
> >
> >Brian Griffiths - Very good striker. Sometimes I even manage to keep
> >him in my team for some time, before some bigger club signs him.
>
> I lose him right away in almost every time with LO- so I find a replacement on
> Free Transfer before season starts.
I managed to keep him for my entire first season, when Rangers got him on the big club
release clause. Tribunal set the fee at 4.5 mil. I'm not complaining. I replaced him
with Dudley (averages a 8.35 and has had 11 MOMs) and someone named Doncel-Varacel
(averages an 8.5, 9.0 in euro competition, and I dont remember him ever scoring less
than 2 goals in a big game). I still have Ayorinde, and he scored 35 goals the first
season, and has 22 so far this season.
> (along with David Morrison on the other wing).
I got 700k for Morrison. He sucked for me.
>
>
> >
> >And then there is, of course, Bjorn Heidenstrom (who's still on my
> >team at the start of the 4th season).
>
> Heidenstrom is best 3rd Division player in my mind-- I have not seen any whose
> overall abilities top him.
Didnt get him...
I use a 3-1-2-1-2 Direct formation, which I got the idea from a web site. Saravia is a
defensive midfielder, and Inglethorpe is an AM/F, so they are perfect for these roles.
I rarely lose, and when I do, it is on the road to some team on it's way to
relegation.
-Thomas
Thomas
Martyn Margetson?
This guy is always available, and I sign him, have him as my backup, then he
eventually takes over the starting role and never gives it up...
-Thomas
Mike Hussey
<otru...@powertech.no> writes
>An even harder challenge is to take control of the Non-league team that gets
>promoted to Div 3 after the 1st season. My favourite is Kidderminster. I
>like this better than taking control of a team with existing players, since
>managing a club with no players allows you to pick out all the players you
>want in your squad, from scratch. This way you develop a more personal
>feeling towards the club you're managing. :-) Players from top Premiership
>clubs who are transfer listed are always top bargains.
Yep - I did this with Altrincham - built a dynamite squad and
they sacked me after a poor run of about 5 defeats. Luckily I got the
vacant job with Barnet and won promotion - and Altricham won promotion
the following year with the players I bought. I'm not complaining about
the game - just noting how it seems to mirror real life.
--
Mike Hussey
Craig S. Richardson
wrote:
>Okay, I get the idea. Leyton Orient are a great team <g> Still, I don't really see
>the fun in managing a team which is almost guaranteed promotion.
Well, it might not be as much of a challenge as some, but it's still
not a given. My current game, I only made the playoffs in Div 1, and
survived 2-1 over Stoke at Wembley - with my top three players ready
to exercise non-promotion release clauses.
It's not like you just have to keep the initial squad and "Bang,
you're in the Premiership". These are good players - good *Div 3*
players. A fairly high percentage of the better players are old,
including the best, who is 31. Only one of the youngsters has the
potential to play for England, although another will play for Wales.
But they're all roster filler in the Premiership. You won't get out
of Div 2 without strengthening the roster considerably. The advantage
is at the very beginning of the game.
Also, I give myself a handicap depending on how strong the team is
after the randomness of new game creation. My favorite handicap is
"no foreigners" - sell the ones I have ASAP and sign no more the rest
of the game. My current game, I restrict myself from signing a
foreign player after his 20th birthday. I think that gives back the
initial advantage fairly nicely. When I play e.g. Darlington, I don't
give myself that handicap.
> When I took over
>Cardiff, I had to dump half the squad and built a new team up almost from scratch.
>Then at the end of the season I lost most of those good players on release clauses,
>and had to build up all over again for the Div 2 campaign. Fun! :)
Oh, you lose most of the players on LO by the end of the Div 3 season
as well. Twice now I've made over a 15M profit the first season.
Regularly I'll end with no more than one starter who began the season
on the squad.
TJ
>the fun in managing a team which is almost guaranteed promotion.
Think of it as a difficulty level. Yes LO is a strong team, but there
are no guarantees that you will be successful. You still have to put
some thought and planning into getting to the top.
>It's not like you just have to keep the initial squad and "Bang,
>you're in the Premiership". These are good players - good *Div 3*
>players. A fairly high percentage of the better players are old,
>including the best, who is 31. Only one of the youngsters has the
>potential to play for England, although another will play for Wales.
>But they're all roster filler in the Premiership. You won't get out
>of Div 2 without strengthening the roster considerably. The advantage
>is at the very beginning of the game.
Good point. Good Div3 players don't mean they will be good Div1 or
Div2 players.