BG2: Kangaxx (Spoiler request)
kromm
How much exp do you get if you whack kangaxx? Any equipment? Spoil
me please.
Here's my problem. I find liches terribly boring to fight. All their
"auto-magics" in the same old sequence is tiring. I love how Kangaxx
can dispel protections w/o casting any canopener spells (based on
dialogue box). Spell trap + protection from your party + Kangaxx fear
spells ignores mind shield + Kangaxx respawn = Yawn. These types of
battles aren't any fun. "Ahhh, now that I have reloaded, I know
what's behind door #1. Head to the inn. Configure spells."
I am at the point now where I am not interested in finishing this
quest because he is a super lich. All the other liches I have slain
have just yielded gold. Also I am nearing the exp cap "feature",
reducing this incentive to kill him. Any info is appreciated.
kromm
SaveMe
> I am at the point now where I am not interested in finishing this
> quest because he is a super lich. All the other liches I have slain
> have just yielded gold. Also I am nearing the exp cap "feature",
> reducing this incentive to kill him. Any info is appreciated.
>
> kromm
If I remember it correctly he gives around 50k exp and
a nice ring (gaxx) and some nice 8th and 9th level
spells. Worth the effort and the fight ain't that hard.
Save
Werner Arend
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, kromm wrote:
> How much exp do you get if you whack kangaxx? Any equipment? Spoil
> me please.
SPOILERS...
xp:
55000
Equipment:
Ring of Gaxx
+10% Magic Resistance
Immunity to Poison (and something else I have forgotten)
+2 to all saving throws
+2 AC
and one or two more attributes, IIRC
*very* nice to have. One of the best items in the game.
runestar
"Werner Arend" <kii...@mail.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote in message
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superfast regenerating, iirc... I just stick it on whoever got hurt last,
saves on healing spells
kromm
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>If I remember it correctly he gives around 50k exp and
>a nice ring (gaxx) and some nice 8th and 9th level
>spells. Worth the effort and the fight ain't that hard.
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Thanx everyone for the info. I may yet try to take him. For me it
was more of "Oh no! Not another lich." This time Kangaxx just ignored
the effects of the Mace of Disruption (Aiere hit him for 54 damage,
but no saving throw needed). He simply cancelled any magics on my
char (death ward, resist fear, chant, holy power, chaotic command,
haste) and then applied Fear retroactively.
To make matters worse my encoutner was buggy with him. While in the
inventory screen, the game is paused. Not this time, not for the
demi-lich. He casts mislead and then I enter inventory. Heh, try to
peruse inventory while gets off Wail of the Banshee (or something).
My chars just started dying. Ummm.. wasn't I in Jaheria's inv? Then
Imoen's, then Mazzy's, then the cut scene with my hand turning to
bone. OOOKaay.
I am sorry. I'm just a bit lamed out. A level 15 party that ALWAYS
fails saving throws. And I demi-lich that ignores the rules. The
auto magic enhancement remover is what makes me chuckle.
However, you fellows have inspired me to retry. Since Kangaxx is so
cheesy, I will be. Activate him and run away. In room, out room, in
room, out room--until he is out of spells. He should be jammed up
against his own coffin.
kromm
Ultra
>Thanx everyone for the info. I may yet try to take him. For me it
>was more of "Oh no! Not another lich." This time Kangaxx just ignored
>the effects of the Mace of Disruption (Aiere hit him for 54 damage,
>but no saving throw needed). He simply cancelled any magics on my
>char (death ward, resist fear, chant, holy power, chaotic command,
>haste) and then applied Fear retroactively.
>
> To make matters worse my encoutner was buggy with him. While in the
>inventory screen, the game is paused. Not this time, not for the
>demi-lich. He casts mislead and then I enter inventory. Heh, try to
>peruse inventory while gets off Wail of the Banshee (or something).
>My chars just started dying. Ummm.. wasn't I in Jaheria's inv? Then
>Imoen's, then Mazzy's, then the cut scene with my hand turning to
>bone. OOOKaay.
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>I am sorry. I'm just a bit lamed out. A level 15 party that ALWAYS
>fails saving throws. And I demi-lich that ignores the rules. The
>auto magic enhancement remover is what makes me chuckle.
>
>However, you fellows have inspired me to retry. Since Kangaxx is so
>cheesy, I will be. Activate him and run away. In room, out room, in
>room, out room--until he is out of spells. He should be jammed up
>against his own coffin.
Well kromm, I know how you feel, I re-did this battle many times. I got
super-lucky tho, as the Mace of Disruption killed the demi-lich instantly in
one blow (he failed his save vs. death, woot!).
If you are powerful enough, use Spell Immunity to make yourself immune to death
spells (Conjuration/Abjuration), and use Protection from Magic scrolls (and as
many spell traps as you can muster). You should be safe for a while then.
BTW, this fight is worth it not just for the 50,000 experience, but also the
Ring of Gaxx, which is the best ring in the game (IMO).
ultra
Lucian Wischik
>I am at the point now where I am not interested in finishing this
>quest because he is a super lich. All the other liches I have slain
>have just yielded gold. Also I am nearing the exp cap "feature",
>reducing this incentive to kill him. Any info is appreciated.
He's an easy kill... turn into the slayer and that's it.
--
Lucian Wischik, Queens' College, Cambridge CB3 9ET. www.wischik.com/lu
The Hedge Fox
Lucian Wischik <ljw...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>kromm <kr...@nospamhome.com> wrote:
>>I am at the point now where I am not interested in finishing this
>>quest because he is a super lich. All the other liches I have slain
>>have just yielded gold. Also I am nearing the exp cap "feature",
>>reducing this incentive to kill him. Any info is appreciated.
>
>
>--
>Lucian Wischik, Queens' College, Cambridge CB3 9ET. www.wischik.com/lu
Slayer form helps but it only has 40% MR, more with amulets. I
tried it and got Imprisoned. Even Slayer form only does 2 pts
per hit on the Demi Lich.
I think it helps to whack away with +4 or higher weapons from
as many sources as possible. In my assault on Kangaxx I first
hasted everone, had the mages cast Protection from Magic Abjuration,
laid traps to kill the Lich form and whacked Kangaxx with
the following:
+4 Staff of Rynn (Viconia, with her 75% MR)
+4 Spear of Withering (Jaheira)
+4 Dagger (the one made from a Black Dragon's tooth, Imoen)
Mr. Slayer (my PC fighter thief in a bad mood)
+5 Staff of the Magi (Nalia)
+4 Mordekainen's Sword (cast by Aerie who also had the Freedom scrolls
and stayed out of view)
Note there was no need for Crom Faeyr or Casomyr.
Isn't it ironic there are no +4 longswords? I was hoping
that Pale Justice would show up on Joluv, or that Dak'kon's
Zerth blade was in its +4 mode from my PS:T game, but no
such luck.
I was playing in Hard mode and Kangaxx went down pretty
quickly from all the 2 pts of damage. Jaheira got
Imprisoned, and I toyed with the idea of leaving her
but I wanted to try the romance thread. Oh, Mordekainen's
Sword was also Imprisoned.
I also noticed that if you stay in Slayer form for
more than a few rounds you'll start taking damage
until you revert back to normal form. Is this what
happens all the time or was it some spell from Kangaxx?
--
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Lucian Wischik
>Slayer form helps but it only has 40% MR, more with amulets. I
>tried it and got Imprisoned. Even Slayer form only does 2 pts
>per hit on the Demi Lich.
I guess I must have had some amulets on? I played through the battle twice
as a slayer and didn't get imprisoned once. The demo-lich has few
enough HP, that the limited damage didn't matter that much.
>I also noticed that if you stay in Slayer form for
>more than a few rounds you'll start taking damage
>until you revert back to normal form. Is this what
>happens all the time or was it some spell from Kangaxx?
Happens all the time.
>Isn't it ironic there are no +4 longswords? I was hoping
>that Pale Justice would show up on Joluv, or that Dak'kon's
>Zerth blade was in its +4 mode from my PS:T game, but no
>such luck.
*Know* that it is not Dak'kon's will that the Zerth blade be +4.
WHEN THE INJUSTICE IS GREAT ENOUGH, PALE JUSTICE WILL APPEAR AND LEND YOU
STRENGTH. (actually, it won't, but doing Valhior impressions is almost as
much fun as Darth Vader impressions.)
Robert Huston
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[SNIP]
> >He's an easy kill... turn into the slayer and that's it.
[SNIP]
> I think it helps to whack away with +4 or higher weapons from
> as many sources as possible. In my assault on Kangaxx I first
> hasted everone, had the mages cast Protection from Magic Abjuration,
> laid traps to kill the Lich form and whacked Kangaxx with
> the following:
>
> +4 Staff of Rynn (Viconia, with her 75% MR)
> +4 Spear of Withering (Jaheira)
> +4 Dagger (the one made from a Black Dragon's tooth, Imoen)
> Mr. Slayer (my PC fighter thief in a bad mood)
> +5 Staff of the Magi (Nalia)
> +4 Mordekainen's Sword (cast by Aerie who also had the Freedom scrolls
> and stayed out of view)
[SNIP]
> I was playing in Hard mode and Kangaxx went down pretty
> quickly from all the 2 pts of damage. Jaheira got
> Imprisoned, and I toyed with the idea of leaving her
> but I wanted to try the romance thread. Oh, Mordekainen's
> Sword was also Imprisoned.
I was able to take down the lich/demi-lich in Chapter 2 in a much easier
fashion as follows:
1. Acquire Carsomyr and a scroll of protection from magic.
2. Buff up your party (must include Keldorn) with the usual defensive
magics plus haste.
3. Take out the lich manifestation in whatever manner you normally prefer.
4. When the red beam of light appears remove your entire party, except
Keldorn, to the far corner of the room, leaving Keldorn to stand right
next to the red beam.
5. As the red beam manifests itself have Keldorn use curative potions to
restore his HP to max and then have him cast the protection from magic
scroll on himself.
6. Have your cleric summon an Invisible Stalker right behind the red beam.
The demi-lich will ignore the rest of your party and fruitlessly expend his
imprisonment spells on Keldorn who leisurely whacks the demi-lich with
Carsomyr until you have earned 55,000 XP and the Ring of Gaxx.
Regards,
Bob
runestar
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Why bother with this step? I did fine without it. *shrug*
Steven Horton
> > > >He's an easy kill... turn into the slayer and that's it.
How did I beat him?
Mace of Disruption. Whack. Boom. Dead.
Of course the item he was carrying got disintengrated too... :(
But hey, I got the XP!
-Steve
Kevin Lynch
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: How did I beat him?
:
: Mace of Disruption. Whack. Boom. Dead.
:
: Of course the item he was carrying got disintengrated too... :(
Heh, I used the Wand of Wonders. One shot, petrification, a single hit and
he exploded. Ring of Gaxx lies on ground for the picking and 55000 xp. Not
one member of my party lost a single hit point that entire battle, even
though my three melee members were right up next to Kangaxx and my others
were within range. The demi-lich Kangaxx didn't have a chance against that
Wand. It was the one and only time I used it the entire game.
-- Kevin Lynch
rene...@sprint.ca
James Coulter
> Isn't it ironic there are no +4 longswords? I was hoping
> that Pale Justice would show up on Joluv, or that Dak'kon's
> Zerth blade was in its +4 mode from my PS:T game, but no
> such luck.
>
Have you tried the Sunblade? It should be +4 against the lich.
Brian H.
magical weapon and Spelltrap raised. So unless you got a Ruby Ray of
Reversal, your +4 weapons are still ineffective to him.
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The Hedge Fox
Brian H. <bh1234...@nospam.please.ismart.net> wrote:
>Yes, DayStar is +4 against evil creatures. But Kangaxx has Protection from
>magical weapon and Spelltrap raised. So unless you got a Ruby Ray of
>Reversal, your +4 weapons are still ineffective to him.
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Daystar should work BUT I tried it on the vampires like
Bodhi that require +3 or better to hit and got weapon
has no effect. Bug or feature? Perhaps Daystar is only +4
against evil creatures that are hittable by a +2 sword or less.
The Hedge Fox
Lucian Wischik <ljw...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>The Hedge Fox <cc...@surya.bsd.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>Slayer form helps but it only has 40% MR, more with amulets. I
>>tried it and got Imprisoned. Even Slayer form only does 2 pts
>>per hit on the Demi Lich.
>
>I guess I must have had some amulets on? I played through the battle twice
>as a slayer and didn't get imprisoned once. The demo-lich has few
>enough HP, that the limited damage didn't matter that much.
>
The best amulet I've found gives you +10%MR. Kangaxx uses
not just imprisonment but death howl and the like, so be
prepared for non-abjurations.
>>I also noticed that if you stay in Slayer form for
>>more than a few rounds you'll start taking damage
>>until you revert back to normal form. Is this what
>>happens all the time or was it some spell from Kangaxx?
>
>Happens all the time.
>
Yeah, I guess the PC is falling into the black void of
his soul or something.
>>Isn't it ironic there are no +4 longswords? I was hoping
>>that Pale Justice would show up on Joluv, or that Dak'kon's
>>Zerth blade was in its +4 mode from my PS:T game, but no
>>such luck.
>
>*Know* that it is not Dak'kon's will that the Zerth blade be +4.
>WHEN THE INJUSTICE IS GREAT ENOUGH, PALE JUSTICE WILL APPEAR AND LEND YOU
>STRENGTH. (actually, it won't, but doing Valhior impressions is almost as
>much fun as Darth Vader impressions.)
>
I don't recall Vhailor's helm casting Simulacrumb in PS:T. Pity,
it would have been useful.
>--
>Lucian Wischik, Queens' College, Cambridge CB3 9ET. www.wischik.com/lu
The Hedge Fox
Robert Huston <hus...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> I was playing in Hard mode and Kangaxx went down pretty
>> quickly from all the 2 pts of damage. Jaheira got
>> Imprisoned, and I toyed with the idea of leaving her
>> but I wanted to try the romance thread. Oh, Mordekainen's
>> Sword was also Imprisoned.
>
>I was able to take down the lich/demi-lich in Chapter 2 in a much easier
>fashion as follows:
>1. Acquire Carsomyr and a scroll of protection from magic.
>2. Buff up your party (must include Keldorn) with the usual defensive
>magics plus haste.
>3. Take out the lich manifestation in whatever manner you normally prefer.
>4. When the red beam of light appears remove your entire party, except
>Keldorn, to the far corner of the room, leaving Keldorn to stand right
>next to the red beam.
>5. As the red beam manifests itself have Keldorn use curative potions to
>restore his HP to max and then have him cast the protection from magic
>scroll on himself.
>6. Have your cleric summon an Invisible Stalker right behind the red beam.
>
>imprisonment spells on Keldorn who leisurely whacks the demi-lich with
>Carsomyr until you have earned 55,000 XP and the Ring of Gaxx.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
>
I wanted to run an all-female NPC party so Keldorn ist verboten.
I also didn't want to sacrifice the Girdle and Gauntlets for
Crom Faeyr. Ever notice Aerie with Gauntlets of Ogre Strength,
Girdle of Fortitude, Draw Upon Holy Might, Improved Haste,
Tensor's Transformation, Righteous Magic, etc. is a real terror?
She's not a cute stuttering winged elf after that.
What's the invisible stalker for? Does it hold the video cam?
Dirk Brüggemann
> Daystar should work BUT I tried it on the vampires like
> Bodhi that require +3 or better to hit and got weapon
> has no effect. Bug or feature? Perhaps Daystar is only +4
> against evil creatures that are hittable by a +2 sword or less.
This seems to be true for other weapons with +XX against certain
creatures as well. Only the basic value seems to count.
dirk
kromm
wrote:
>The Hedge Fox <cc...@surya.bsd.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>Slayer form helps but it only has 40% MR, more with amulets. I
>>tried it and got Imprisoned. Even Slayer form only does 2 pts
>>per hit on the Demi Lich.
>
Don't forget he gets 5 attacks per round. If you haste him, he gets
10. The Slayer's THAC0 is decent, so doing say 18 damage per round is
not too bad.
>I guess I must have had some amulets on? I played through the battle twice
>as a slayer and didn't get imprisoned once. The demo-lich has few
>enough HP, that the limited damage didn't matter that much.
>
>>I also noticed that if you stay in Slayer form for
>>more than a few rounds you'll start taking damage
>>until you revert back to normal form. Is this what
>>happens all the time or was it some spell from Kangaxx?
>
>Happens all the time.
>
Here is what I noticed. The Slayer receives damage once per round,
starting at 4 damage. Every round his damage doubles. What's kinda
silly is that it soon becomes unmanagable. eg. 4, 8, 16, 32, 64. I
think you get the first couple of rounds or so, free.
To test my theory, I changed into the slayer in my nice and peaceful
Ranger Cabin and watched the pc die.
kromm
kromm
Hedge Fox) wrote:
>In article <8vod4b$c1f$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
>Lucian Wischik <ljw...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>kromm <kr...@nospamhome.com> wrote:
>>>I am at the point now where I am not interested in finishing this
>>>quest because he is a super lich. All the other liches I have slain
>>>have just yielded gold. Also I am nearing the exp cap "feature",
>>>reducing this incentive to kill him. Any info is appreciated.
>>
>>He's an easy kill... turn into the slayer and that's it.
>>
>>--
>>Lucian Wischik, Queens' College, Cambridge CB3 9ET. www.wischik.com/lu
>
>Slayer form helps but it only has 40% MR, more with amulets. I
>tried it and got Imprisoned. Even Slayer form only does 2 pts
>per hit on the Demi Lich.
>
>I think it helps to whack away with +4 or higher weapons from
>as many sources as possible. In my assault on Kangaxx I first
>hasted everone, had the mages cast Protection from Magic Abjuration,
>laid traps to kill the Lich form and whacked Kangaxx with
>the following:
>
>+4 Staff of Rynn (Viconia, with her 75% MR)
>+4 Spear of Withering (Jaheira)
>+4 Dagger (the one made from a Black Dragon's tooth, Imoen)
>Mr. Slayer (my PC fighter thief in a bad mood)
>+5 Staff of the Magi (Nalia)
>+4 Mordekainen's Sword (cast by Aerie who also had the Freedom scrolls
>and stayed out of view)
>
>Note there was no need for Crom Faeyr or Casomyr.
>
My post Kangaxx analysis (FWIW)
Protection from Magic is the key, IMO. I haven't tried it though.
After the lich triggers spell trap and whatever else, his next move is
dispel magics. Either he is too high a level, or no saving throws are
allowed. All desirable enchantments are stripped from your party.
IMO, no saving throws are allowed: Dispel magic is never 100%, and my
party never saves.
Protect from magic should serve to keep you other magic defenses
intact. So his fear/death etc. will not affect you.
With the fall of the lich, and the emergence of the demi, we proceed
from contrived cheddar to pre-planned ghouda. The demi casts many of
the same spells as the lich. The big difference is the spell imprison
is his ranged attack. He has unlimited charges of imprison, fires it
at 1 or 2 per round, and his casting time is zero, as opposed to 9
(IIRC). I found this out by repeatedly exiting/entering the crypt.
Once in melee range he didn't cast imprison near as often. I think
the slayer may be resistant/immune to imprison.
The demi ignores the mace of disruption.
As always, when ever you really want to use those level 8 or 9 spells
that you have a plenty in inventory, don't bother. Enemies that are
worthy of being the target of spell levels 7 (cleric, some mage), 8,
and 9, are exempt from their effects. :^(
Going a bit ot here....human/elf/etc. magic battles are FUN. Spells a
plenty are being cast. Drow magic battles are fun (with their high
resistance). But creatures that are naturally immune to magic are bit
of a downer.
kromm
Robert Huston
"The Hedge Fox" <cc...@surya.bsd.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <gVwW5.291358$3E6.3...@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>,
> Robert Huston <hus...@home.com> wrote:
[SNIP]
> >I was able to take down the lich/demi-lich in Chapter 2 in a much easier
> >fashion as follows:
> >1. Acquire Carsomyr and a scroll of protection from magic.
> >2. Buff up your party (must include Keldorn) with the usual defensive
> >magics plus haste.
> >3. Take out the lich manifestation in whatever manner you normally
prefer.
> >4. When the red beam of light appears remove your entire party, except
> >Keldorn, to the far corner of the room, leaving Keldorn to stand
right
> >next to the red beam.
> >5. As the red beam manifests itself have Keldorn use curative potions to
> >restore his HP to max and then have him cast the protection from magic
> >scroll on himself.
> >6. Have your cleric summon an Invisible Stalker right behind the red
beam.
> >
> >The demi-lich will ignore the rest of your party and fruitlessly expend
his
> >imprisonment spells on Keldorn who leisurely whacks the demi-lich with
> >Carsomyr until you have earned 55,000 XP and the Ring of Gaxx.
[SNIP]
> What's the invisible stalker for? Does it hold the video cam?
No, I wasn't sure of the strategy and put him in place to attract some of
the demi-lich's attack, which he, in fact, did. He eventually turned red
and I had to take him out after the demi-lich fell. In retrospect, the
Invisible Stalker was probably unnecessary, but this strategy worked the
very first time I tried it so I can't be sure whether he played a
significant role in the victory.
Regards,
Bob