They remake movies, so why not games?
morvak
Zork.
But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
revive some classics and update them for new tech.
Just sayin'.
Morgan
I agree. I'd love to see a decent remake of UFO (X-Com) or the first two
Thief games. Also System Shock now I think about it.
Louis Zwager
We had a Tomb Raider remake last year, and I remember remakes of Pirates
and Settlers 2 in the years before.
So it does happen sometimes with games.
Louis
WDS
Civilization gets remade every so many years.
Hmmm, you know, Sid Meier games seem to be a common one for remakes.
I vote for Alpha Centauri!
Andrew Rybenkov
> I vote for Alpha Centauri
Visually it's good enough for me.
BTW, the only game I had never erased from my disk.
Actually I use it instead of solitaires.
--
Andrew Rybenkov
Lara Croft had died in The Last Revelation - say NO to impostors
Vincenzo Beretta
And Colonization just last month or so.
Then we have the "fan made" remakes, like "Ultima V" for Dungeon Siege (the
soundtrack alone is above and beyond the average videogame offering)
WDS
BTW, I will add that I have had all 4 versions of Civ and each time I
have thought the new one was significantly better than the previous
one.
Roberto Ullfig
johns
standards of Gothic 3 .. but with a better engine. The
Far Cry engine would be fine.
johns
morvak
OH right.. Tomb Raider. I have yet to experience the remake - is it a
quality remake?
morvak
I was thinking about Thief when I wrote this, so yeah that would be
great, the first 2. yeah System Shock too !
Markus Fuenfrocken
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
while you´re at it, M.U.L.E. from the legendary C=64.
Markus
Leo
blabbed:
>Hmmm, you know, Sid Meier games seem to be a common one for remakes.
>I vote for Alpha Centauri!
Yeah, SMAC was great. They have incorporated some of the SMAC
ideas into civIV (civics, religions had counterparts in SMAC), but
still no unit design and unit mods, that was just a cool ass aspect of
SMAC.
Also, fall from heaven 2 is a pretty decent civIV mod (best if
you have the bts expansion or you can only play an older version of
the ffh2 mod). Fantasy setting. The first FFH was very incomplete
and never got into it, this one is enough along to be enjoyable now.
I think SMAC was a brian reynolds game, despite its name, so
that might be why it didn't get remade, he left firaxis.
I would buy SMAC 2 in a heartbeat, however.
Leo
Peter Huebner
eb56de...@w22g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, mor...@gmail.com says...
Personally, I think that's not a bad idea, although looking at the
recent re-issue of Sid Meyer's Colonization I would like to observe that
that was NOT a successful undertaking - they left all the original
shortcomings in the game and added a number of new ones.
I'd be interested in replaying Wastelands for instance, even with an
interface like Spiderweb's engine; wouldn't have to be DX10 y'know.
I'm sure one could expand the game world a little too, with the memory
constraints of yonder times gone.
Some of the roguelikes could do with a moderate & scalable gfx frontend.
TK_Angband flavours are barely discernable on my screen, running at
2560x1600.
-P.
Peter Huebner
b1ea00...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Bi...@seurer.net says...
>
> Hmmm, you know, Sid Meier games seem to be a common one for remakes.
> I vote for Alpha Centauri!
I have a problem with Alpha Centauri, and that is crashes to desktop
once air-to-ground combat comes along. Which get thicker and thicker the
longer the game goes on.
If somebody fixed that damn bug, I'd still play the game. There's
nothing needs updating with it; for it's genre it's a 10/10 as far as I
am concerned.
I spent weeks working with one of the programmers at weeding out that
very bug in the original game, filing reports, mailing saves, etc etc
until they finally had it solved. Then, when the expansion with the
Aliens came out, that bug was re-introduced. Never managed to persuade
anyone to fix it that time, and it doesn't seem to happen for all people
either.
-P.
Justisaur
wrote:
Ooh, Magic Carpet II, that'd be great.
- Justisaur
MetalGuru
> Ah yes, please! I´d love to have an updated version of Magic Carpet II,
> and, while you´re at it, M.U.L.E. from the legendary C=64.
M.U.L.E. has already been remade for the PC in 2002 by Shrapnel Games of all
companies:
MetalGuru
> Bi...@seurer.net says...
>>
>> Hmmm, you know, Sid Meier games seem to be a common one for remakes.
>> I vote for Alpha Centauri!
Me too but the recent remake of Colonization was pretty disappointing at
best, maybe if Reynolds himself was involved things would have turned out
better.
> I have a problem with Alpha Centauri, and that is crashes to desktop
> once air-to-ground combat comes along. Which get thicker and thicker the
> longer the game goes on.
Oh, you too?!? Is this a known issue, I thought it was just me. I've had
that problem 9 out of 10 times I played the game, thought it was due to a
damaged CD not copying all files properly during installation or something.
> If somebody fixed that damn bug, I'd still play the game. There's
> nothing needs updating with it; for it's genre it's a 10/10 as far as I
> am concerned.
Maybe just a quick graphical makeover (like higher res units and things like
that) but other than that it needs absolutely nothing.
> I spent weeks working with one of the programmers at weeding out that
> very bug in the original game, filing reports, mailing saves, etc etc
> until they finally had it solved. Then, when the expansion with the
> Aliens came out, that bug was re-introduced. Never managed to persuade
> anyone to fix it that time, and it doesn't seem to happen for all people
> either.
How was it solved, I don't recall any patches for the original game other
than the Win2000 patch.
Lou
> In article <e8a39e00-5f9f-46ad-9d08-
> eb56de...@w22g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, mor...@gmail.com says...
>> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
>> Zork.
>>
>> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
>> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>>
>> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
>> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
>> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>>
>> Just sayin'.
>>
What about fps game remakes? A remake of Doom would be awesome! It could be
the best game ever!
Oh wait, they already tried that and made Doom3. How did they mess that up?
I guess if they can mess up a remake of movies then they can mess up game
remakes also. : P
OK but seriously, if it is an update of the original game to modern
graphics, physics and AI and done true to the original game then I think
there could be some great games to replay.
It may be hard to convince the big game producers and their marketing
department to remake a game and not have it come out different like how
Farcry was changed to Farcry2.
Nostromo
> XCOM and Jagged Alliance definitely. Quake maybe.
Seconded (thirded?). Also, Master of Magic, hands down, & possibly
Stars! (even though I'm not into TB or RT strategy much any more).
Torment is another one that would be high on most ppl's wish list, but
to be honest, I have almost no faith left in any developer being able to
put out a quality PC game any more, without going for the easy-money
bells-n-whistles consolitis hybrid approach. Hey, I'm still waiting for
someone to remake Fallout properly! <G>
--
Nostromo
Peter Huebner
says...
>
> How was it solved, I don't recall any patches for the original game other
> than the Win2000 patch.
>
>
>
http://www.firaxis.com/smac/downloads.cfm
the smac v.4.0 patch did eliminate the air-to-ground crash problem,
i.i.r.c.
as I said, I never found a version of terranx that did not have the
problem.
-P.
Louis Zwager
>>
>> We had a Tomb Raider remake last year, and I remember remakes of Pirates
>> and Settlers 2 in the years before.
>>
>> So it does happen sometimes with games.
>
> quality remake?
I did not play it, but the reviews were generally very positive.
Louis
Markus Fuenfrocken
> M.U.L.E. has already been remade for the PC in 2002 by Shrapnel Games
> of all companies:
> http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/space-horse
best seller, eh?
Regards,
Markus
Schrodinger
"morvak" <mor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good point.
I would like to see:
1) Quazatron; they could add some depth but it was basically great anyway.
2) Tau Ceti; as above
3) Deus Ex
Andrew Rybenkov
> reviews were generally very positive.
they always are about hyped crap.
(particularly about "new" - fake - Tomb Raiders)
Werner Spahl
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
I think they did it already several times, only rather more in that new
style of movie remake like with the current Batman or Bond movies.
--
Werner Spahl (sp...@cup.uni-muenchen.de) Freedom for
"The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships
Wolfing
> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
> Zork.
>
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>
> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>
> Just sayin'.
The problem many times comes in the form of who holds the rights to
the game. The rights to a game made by company A 15 years ago may be
spread around 8 companies today. The name's rights might be owned by
company B because they acquired company C that acquired the original
company A, but another company E may have bought rights for a sequel
to the game's sequel, and if the game is based on some external
license from company X, maybe company X gave the exclusive rights to
their ruleset to company Z.
So, basically, in many cases it's almost impossible.
morvak
> I'd be interested in replaying Wastelands for instance, even with an
> interface like Spiderweb's engine; wouldn't have to be DX10 y'know.
> I'm sure one could expand the game world a little too, with the memory
> constraints of yonder times gone.
I *LOVED* Wastelands. Absolutely loved it. I think I loved that more
than Fallout. I don't know what it was, I can barely remember that
game now. I just have the faint recollection of being truly fascinated
with it. Maybe it was the first of its kind? Though I remember having
fun with a game called Roadwar. I look back at it (Wasteland) now and
*shudder*. Wow, it was *that* bad, graphically? LOL. Of course, for
its time, great.
In my original thread I said not to remake games like Zork. But on
second thought, why not? If they can take books and turn them into
movies, why not take Zork and remake it into a FPS/RPG like Mass
Effect or FO3. Blasphemy, sure, but why not. Can't be any worse than
what Jackson did to Tolkien.
morvak
> > In article <e8a39e00-5f9f-46ad-9d08-
> > eb56de711...@w22g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, mor...@gmail.com says...
Well I don't consider FC2 a remake. I mean, Farcry isn't really old
enough to need an overhaul.
Doom3 I never played, some people love it, some hate it.
How about Castle Wolfenstein? Of course I think I played a recent
successor like 3 years ago. Wasn't too bad. And I think a new one is
coming out if it hasn't already.
Duke Nukem 3D. Oh, that's right, we have Duke Nukem Forever.
I'd like to see Police Quest series turned into a Mass Effect type
game. Same with Hero's Quest or whatever it was.
Space Quest!!!!!!!
Book 'em Dan'O'
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> Zork.
>
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>
> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>
> Just sayin'.
It's usually a copyright issue is why.
Morgan
> I would like to see Gothic 1, 2, and NOTR remade to the
> standards of Gothic 3
You mean incredibly buggy and unplayable on many rigs until about 2 years
after it's release. :-)
Book 'em Dan'O'
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> XCOM and Jagged Alliance definitely. Quake maybe.
Xcom has been remade as UFO:Extraterrestrials. They just changed a few
things so they couldn't get sued for blatant copyright infringement.
Scott Streeter
> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
> Zork.
>
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>
> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>
> Just sayin'.
X-Wing/TIE Fighter with a modern engine. Oh ya!
Scott Streeter
What is it with you a Gothic?? There are other games. Sure I played 1
and 2 too but come on. They weren't THAT good.
--
Benjamin Gawert
> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
> Zork.
>
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
I'd like to see a new version of "Redneck Rampage" series which I found
really great. It's sad that there are no Windows engines for the
original games, and it's sad that the whole brand hasn't been used any more.
Additionally I'd like to see a remake of "Blood", and also of Quake (the
scenery with the ancient castles and the knights, and not the space-type
stuff in Quake 2).
But I have the feeling that the remakes would end up with different
characters, different story, console-type controls, maybe 3hrs worth of
gameplay and more bugs than a dog has flee.
Benjamin
Les Steel
Don't remember 1, but I would love Tau Ceti remade, along with Carrier
Command and Armorgeddon from the Amiga days.
My friend and I were talking about the 10th Anniversary of Half Life
yesterday and Deus Ex came up. He thought that either a remake or a
better sequel to Deus Ex, possibly using the source engine. I tend to
agree, unless there's a better engine that could be used.
--
Les
Chuck Norris' cowboy boots are made from real cowboys.
Les Steel
Only as long as it's not designed to be played using a console joypad.
--
Les
Chuck Norris does not get frostbite. Chuck Norris bites frost
Scott Streeter
Schrodinger
"Les Steel" <a...@aolnot.com> wrote in message
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Well, Quazatron has already been remade it seems!:
http://retrospec.sgn.net/game/quaz
As for Deus Ex, there is a Deus Ex 3 in production, but as PCFormat noted it
has no RPG element (which means it isn't Deus Ex!). Shame on them, then,
for not slagging it off for that fact. I think the previewer was some 22
year old moron who didn't play the original, as he also said he enjoyed
Invisible War...
Schrodinger
"Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
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Actually, please don't download it; it really is an appalling piece of
coding. Nothing like the original.
Jonathan Ellis
"Scott Streeter" <s...@CCCWORK2.WPI.EDU> wrote in message
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I want a bug-free graphically improved remake of Dungeon Keeper (1, not 2...
you MUST have dragons, if you're going to be an Evil Overlord. Fire
Salamanders just don't cut the proverbial mustard. Also, Horned Reaper
should be a tough creature who's difficult to keep happy, like he was in
DK1 - not the "2 Minutes of Win The Game Button" that he was in DK2.)
With the understanding that, at heart, Dungeon Keeper is in fact not so much
a multiplayer game, so much as it's a single player game in which people can
and should be able to flexibly design their own levels to upload, download
and share - to the point of releasing a fully-functional level and script
editor right at the start of the game.
--Jonathan.
Anssi Saari
> As for Deus Ex, there is a Deus Ex 3 in production, but as PCFormat noted it
> has no RPG element (which means it isn't Deus Ex!).
What is it then, Project: Snowblind 2 or something?
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
UFO:Afterlight is the closest of the clones to a spiritual successor.
--
Nostromo
Schrodinger
"Anssi Saari" <a...@sci.fi> wrote in message
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From what I read it's just an FPS in a pre Deus Ex setting. Instead of
going back to its PC roots, they went "forward" to the console slant of
Invisible War.
Memnoch
Another victim.
Pibbur Dragon
> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
> Zork.
>
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>
> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>
> Just sayin'.
Based on my experience, and of what I've read, remakes are often lacking
compared to the original movie. I fear that the same would happen with
games.
But of course there are games I would like to see remade. There's ....
eh.... there's... ... Yes: The Heretic/Hexen series.
BTW, and example of a good remake (or maybe a remake++) is IMO the
Avernum series (games 1..3), which is a remake of the Exile series,
whith a lot of extra content.
--
Pibbur
Pibbur Dragon
Pibbur Dragon skrev:
> morvak skrev:
>> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
>> Zork.
>>
>> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
>> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>>
>> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
>> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
>> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>>
>> Just sayin'.
> How often is a movie remake as good as or better than the original?
> Based on my experience, and of what I've read, remakes are often lacking
> compared to the original movie. I fear that the same would happen with
> games.
>
Eh.. Now I see that your original post actually mentioned this. Silly me!
> ...
--
Pibbur, who (once again) promises to read posts more thoroughly before
responding.
Memnoch
Doom > Doom 2
Thief > Thief 2
Errr... ummmmm...oh yeah
Bards Tale > Bards Tale 2
<scratches bottom of barrel some more>
Turrican > Turrican 2
I'm sure there are more! :-)
Mr. Toast
news:kqrfi41k9h93fd1ge...@4ax.com:
>>Xcom has been remade as UFO:Extraterrestrials. They just changed a few
>>things so they couldn't get sued for blatant copyright infringement.
>
> UFO:Afterlight is the closest of the clones to a spiritual successor.
>
Is it good? UFO:Extraterrestrials has a mod called Bman that makes it even
more like the original Xcom, even has the option to import some alien
graphics from the original Xcom.
Warewolf
eb56de...@w22g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
> Zork.
>
> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>
> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>
> Just sayin'.
I think the real question to ask should be 'How?'
I've played my share of retail (and freeware) remakes and, while some of
them kept the spirit of the original game intact, the same can't be said
for *ALL* of them.
For example, I liked Atari's 3D version of Q*bert (even though they did
an number on the original's 'randomized sound' feature) and thought Space
Invaders was okay but I hated the 3D versions of Frogger and Dig Dug. At
some point in the development process, whatever made the original games
classics was lost.
(I mean, let's face it, Pong *needed* a paddle controller) 9_9
I enjoyed the music in Shockwave Tetris and can see why MidiMaze was
popular thanks to Faceball 3000 but I'm not sure the world is ready for
another 3D Sonic title. *shudder*
If one were to look at the 'evolution' of some genres:
Rogue -> Dandy -> Gauntlet -> Dr. Lunatic
Boulder Dash -> Rocks'N'Diamonds, Supaplex, Rox and other clones
Renegade/Kunio -> Double Dragon -> River City Ransom and Battle Circuit
Esprit -> the Oxyd series -> Enigma
you begin to notice enough similarities that, authorship/copyright aside,
make you wonder why the improvements of each successor haven't been
utilized.
I could go for pages about what a future remake or two could offer
(editors for new maps and power-ups in a Mario game would be a start) but
I think that a cursory glance (or better yet, a playthrough) of some of
these examples would provide a better 'education' and, possibly, inspire
the creation of new open source engines as a 'final project'.
Let's see how everthing goes.
Signed,
Warewolf
who wasn't sure about adding Q-Bopper and Pogo Joe to the list of clones.
P.S. I could post a list of my favorite remakes, if you'd prefer. ^_^
none
> BTW, and example of a good remake (or maybe a remake++) is IMO the Avernum
> series (games 1..3), which is a remake of the Exile series, whith a lot of
> extra content.
But please, please - no more false walls that you can only find by trying to
talk into every damn wall square in the whole world!
~None
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
Of the UFO:A? sequels in recent years, I think from all accounts it's the
closest, though still markedly different given it's a pausable real-time
hybrid & handles base-building & resources management a little differently.
Still, it captured the overall feel of UFO/XCom for my liking.
--
Nostromo
Matt v3.3
> Then we have the "fan made" remakes, like "Ultima V" for
> Dungeon Siege (the soundtrack alone is above and beyond
> the average videogame offering)
Fans make the best remakes IMO :)
Quest for Glory 2 VGA is another one -
http://www.agdinteractive.com/homepage/homepage.html
(Retro graphics, sure, but great game)
--
};> Matt v3.3 <:{
l00ll0ll0ll00ll
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> Of the UFO:A? sequels in recent years, I think from all accounts it's the
> closest, though still markedly different given it's a pausable real-time
> hybrid & handles base-building & resources management a little
> differently.
> Still, it captured the overall feel of UFO/XCom for my liking.
>
> --
> Nostromo
I've downloaded the demo for UFO: Afterlight but haven't installed it yet. I
see they are the same company that has two other UFO games and I did try the
first games demo a long time ago. UFO: Extraterrestrials is far more Xcom
like than that game was. In UFO:E the game is pretty much exactly the same
as in Xcom.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials
Nostromo
15:05:55 GMT, Anno Domini:
Yeah, I did try it about a year ago & you're right - it's pretty much a
direct port & a bit rough around the edges. UFO:AL is worth a try if you're
not looking for *exactly* the same thing, with just enough
surprises/differences to keep it fresh ;).
--
Nostromo
Etal
> morvak <mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure many will disagree, and I'm not talking about games like
>> Zork.
>>
>> But dated classics that could be amazing with today's tech, and I
>> don't mean just new textures. New models, new A.I., stuff like that.
>>
>> They do it to movies, both successfully and, most often
>> unsuccessfully, but I think in another 10 years someone ought to
>> revive some classics and update them for new tech.
>>
>> Just sayin'.
>
> I think the real question to ask should be 'How?'
>
> I've played my share of retail (and freeware) remakes and, while some of
> them kept the spirit of the original game intact, the same can't be said
> for *ALL* of them.
>
> For example, I liked Atari's 3D version of Q*bert (even though they did
Ha!, reading Atari reminded me of a game-bundle i took as a 3'rd
game-package in a 3-for-2 deal once, 'Atari Revival'.
'Atari Revival' - Contains 3 Atari games in full 3-D!
"Three 1980s Arcade favorites are reinvented for the 21st Century"
(1981) * (1999-10-21) Missile Command
(1977) * (2001-11-02) Combat
(1981) * (2002-03-29) Warlords
I have more or less only installed and seen that they work, not
really played them. Nor the originals (for Atari 2600) as far as
i remember. So this is not a recommendation, i just thought it
was on point for this thread.
Magnate
> In article <gg5dje$umb$1...@news.motzarella.org>, meta...@imotzarella.com
>> How was it solved, I don't recall any patches for the original game other
>> than the Win2000 patch.
>>
> http://www.firaxis.com/smac/downloads.cfm
>
> the smac v.4.0 patch did eliminate the air-to-ground crash problem,
> i.i.r.c.
>
> as I said, I never found a version of terranx that did not have the
> problem.
Have you tried the Linux version?
CC
Werner Spahl
> As for Deus Ex, there is a Deus Ex 3 in production, but as PCFormat
> noted it has no RPG element (which means it isn't Deus Ex!).
Hmmm, didn't they try that already and just removed the Deus Ex label at
the last moment? I think it was called "Project Snowblind."
--
Werner Spahl (sp...@cup.uni-muenchen.de) Freedom for
"The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships
Walter Mitty
Did anybody?
The company who made it went bust because no one bought anything.
CoinSpin
There's been a few "revival" titles out in recent days, usually just
straight ports of old games to new platforms. Got a Capcom remix
package for my PSP, it has tons of old games I remember playing for
hours at the arcades - and all of them are 100% faithful to the original
(at least as far as I can see).
It's funny, I was playing Bionic Commando (in that Capcom remix package)
while flying home last weekend, and thinking how interesting a modern
version of this game would be... Then happened to catch a snippet about
the new Bionic Commando game being released in 09! If they can remake
and modernize that game, there may be hope for others...
--
~ CoinSpin
Kyle Haight
Pibbur Dragon <oopsREM...@tele2CA.PSno> wrote:
>How often is a movie remake as good as or better than the original?
I thought John Carpenter's remake of THE THING was better than the
1950's man-in-a-rubber-suit version. It was certainly more faithful
to its original source material in John Campbell's "Who Goes There?"
But in general it's difficult to find movie remakes that are a significant
improvement on the originals.
--
Kyle Haight
Andrew Rybenkov
> I think it was called "Project Snowblind."
yes - original name "Deus Ex: Clan Wars".
And guess what - that failure of game was made by mediocre arcadish company - Eidos' paramour - Crystal Dynamics.
The same stupid company that (by mighty Eidos ruling) produces Tomb Raider sequels.
[... all 4-letter words I know...]
--
Andrew Rybenkov
Lara Croft had died in The Last Revelation - say NO to impostors
Pibbur Dragon
I agree on that one!
--
Pibbur who found the Norwegian spoken early in the movie was fairly good.
David Alex Lamb
> I'd like to see a new version of "Redneck Rampage" series which I found
> really great. It's sad that there are no Windows engines for the
> original games, and it's sad that the whole brand hasn't been used any
> more.
That one gave me motion sickness if I played for more than about a
minute. I've only seen one or two other games that did that. I kinda
wanted to know what the game was like, but had to quit quickly. At
least it was part of an N-game repackage, so I got to play a few of the
others.
David Alex Lamb
Speaking of which, anyone planning to watch the remake of Day the Earth
Stood Still this December?
WDS
> Speaking of which, anyone planning to watch the remake of Day the Earth
> Stood Still this December?
Dunno. I've seen the first one a few times and while I can appreciate
it I don't thinks it's the awesome, untouchable classic so many people
seem to think it was. As long as the new one isn't an excuse for
special effects (a trap that Lucas fell into) it might work out OK.
I really did like the unintentional humor in the original, though.
After two doctors examine the guy they talk about how he claims to be
so-many-years old but physically doesn't appear nearly that old and
they wonder how he does it. Then the one guy heads outside for a
smoke and the other guy to a bar for a drink. Doh!
CoinSpin
It's pretty obvious from the trailers that it will be almost nothing
like the original, other than a few basic premises in the plot - I'm
likening it to the remake of War of the Worlds recently, similar but not
the same. Hoping it will be good, but I'm not holding my breath.
--
~ CoinSpin
Matt v3.3
> It's funny, I was playing Bionic Commando (in that Capcom remix
> package) while flying home last weekend, and thinking how interesting
> a modern version of this game would be... Then happened to catch a
> snippet about the new Bionic Commando game being released in 09! If
> they can remake and modernize that game, there may be hope for others
You mean Bionic Commando Rearmed? That one is out already, I saw it for
download on Gamersgate last month. There was a great looking trailer on
various sites too. Unless you mean a different remake, or sequel? ...
--
};> Matt v3.3 <:{
CoinSpin
Heh, didn't even see that Bionic Commando Rearmed one, it must have
fallen under my radar... I was referring to the new title coming soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionic_Commando_(2009_video_game)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionic_Commando_%282009_video_game%29>
That was the one I saw the trailer for recently. Looks interesting.
--
~ CoinSpin
David Alex Lamb
> David Alex Lamb wrote:
>> Speaking of which, anyone planning to watch the remake of Day the
>> Earth Stood Still this December?
>
> It's pretty obvious from the trailers that it will be almost nothing
> like the original, other than a few basic premises in the plot - I'm
> likening it to the remake of War of the Worlds recently, similar but not
> the same. Hoping it will be good, but I'm not holding my breath.
I heard rumours they might go a bit closer to the original story
("Farewell to the Master") than the old movie did. I think I'm feeling
a little more positive than you, but not necessarily all that much.
Someone's "not such a classic" comment: I wasn't even born when it came
out, so I have no input from anyone who saw it at the time, but I recall
getting a bit of a lesson from somebody older about what to expect from
old movies. Besides the (lack of) special effects, I had to warn my
kids it would be a lot slower-paced than they were used to.
I think part of its charm for the time was that it wasn't one of those
fear-of-Communism "evil monsters from space/atomic experiments..." that
were common back then.
Mirror Spock
Not me. I am not impresssed with Keanu.
Memnoch
wrote:
That is my favourite horror/gore movie of all time. I hear there is going to
be a sequel. Lets hope that it is better than the last few Carpenter efforts.
Ghosts of Mars anyone?
Memnoch
wrote:
>Kyle Haight wrote:
I loved the original film. I hope to god they haven't screwed this one up.
Memnoch
>On Nov 24, 6:55 pm, David Alex Lamb <dal...@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
>> Speaking of which, anyone planning to watch the remake of Day the Earth
>> Stood Still this December?
>
>Dunno. I've seen the first one a few times and while I can appreciate
>it I don't thinks it's the awesome, untouchable classic so many people
>seem to think it was. As long as the new one isn't an excuse for
>special effects (a trap that Lucas fell into) it might work out OK.
From the few trailers I have seen it will be. Nothing seems as enigmatically
alien than a giant glowing sphere. Star Man? Oh and Sphere to name but two!
:-)
>I really did like the unintentional humor in the original, though.
>After two doctors examine the guy they talk about how he claims to be
>so-many-years old but physically doesn't appear nearly that old and
>they wonder how he does it. Then the one guy heads outside for a
>smoke and the other guy to a bar for a drink. Doh!
I liked the nod to the lines to be said to Gort in Raimi's "Army of Darkness".
Memnoch
wrote:
>CoinSpin wrote:
Watching these old sci-fi movies like "It Came from Outer Space", "War of the
Worlds" and "Gort", I love how the military are almost cuddly in their aproach
to the public compared to how they are now.
Alien ship crash lands in the desert.
Member of the public finds it.
The military turns up and talk with the man amiably.
Then the press turn up and the military invite them all in for a photo shoot
and some scones. "Mind how you go folks. Those rocks are loose! <chuckle".
In a modern sci-fi movie the military would have shot anyone in the face who
wasn't wearing a uniform and probably nuked or gassed all the neighbouring
towns just to be on the safe side.
They just don't make them like they used to.
Memnoch
I don't know. He has his place I suppose. Playing an alien being might work
out for him.
J Hoppe
"Mirror Spock" <robi...@msu.edu> wrote in message
news:3pkoi41lhnfafp3ns...@4ax.com...
playing a soulless, deadpaned faced, alien in a monotone?!? Its damned near
typecasting....
Sheldon England
> Watching these old sci-fi movies like "It Came from Outer Space", "War
> of the
> Worlds" and "Gort", I love how the military are almost cuddly in their aproach
> to the public compared to how they are now.
>
> Alien ship crash lands in the desert.
> Member of the public finds it.
> The military turns up and talk with the man amiably.
> Then the press turn up and the military invite them all in for a photo shoot
> and some scones. "Mind how you go folks. Those rocks are loose! <chuckle".
>
> In a modern sci-fi movie the military would have shot anyone in the face who
> wasn't wearing a uniform and probably nuked or gassed all the neighbouring
> towns just to be on the safe side.
>
> They just don't make them like they used to.
>
Someone recently posted the following to the flight sim group.
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school
parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1958 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his
car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2008 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail
and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for
traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1958 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up
buddies.
2008 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge
them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1958 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the
Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2008 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin, becomes a zombie, tested for
ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives
him a whipping with his belt.
1958 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2008 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster
care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she
remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom
has affair with psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1958 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2008 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car
searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1958 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2008 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear
nationally Explaining that teaching English as a requirement for
graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state
school system And Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core
curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a
living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July,
Puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1958 -Ants die.
2008- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic
terrorism, FBI investigates parents, Siblings removed from home,
computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is
never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee.
He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1958 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2008 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She
faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
Nostromo
*chuckle* - it's amusing that you, as an American(?) Mem, can chuckle
about these things. <EG>
--
Nostromo
Nostromo
It would be funny if it wasn't so close to home I imagine. But, seeing
I'm not a yank, it's hilarious! >8^D
--
Nostromo
Memnoch
Actually I'm from just North of Cambridge in England. The good 'ole U of K.
:-)
Mirror Spock
Only if said alien says "Whoa" a lot.
Xocyll
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Probably not, since I don't go to the movies anymore (way too friggen
loud,) but I'll probably buy the dvd when it comes out.
If only to see if my alternative name holds true, since it's Reeves at
the title character. The day Klaatu said Woah.
Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr
morvak
> Kyle Haight skrev:
>
> > Pibbur Dragon <oopsREM.OVE...@tele2CA.PSno> wrote:
>
> >> How often is a movie remake as good as or better than the original?
>
> > I thought John Carpenter's remake of THE THING was better than the
> > 1950's man-in-a-rubber-suit version. It was certainly more faithful
> > to its original source material in John Campbell's "Who Goes There?"
> > But in general it's difficult to find movie remakes that are a significant
> > improvement on the originals.
>
> I agree on that one!
Same here! I still watch this whenever it comes on. I wish they would
do a follow up.
morvak
> > Pibbur Dragon <oopsREM.OVE...@tele2CA.PSno> wrote:
>
> >> How often is a movie remake as good as or better than the original?
>
> > I thought John Carpenter's remake of THE THING was better than the
> > 1950's man-in-a-rubber-suit version. It was certainly more faithful
> > to its original source material in John Campbell's "Who Goes There?"
> > But in general it's difficult to find movie remakes that are a significant
> > improvement on the originals.
>
> Speaking of which, anyone planning to watch the remake of Day the Earth
> Stood Still this December?
Will Keanau Reeves is the perfect fit. But no. It looks cool but I'm
afraid that's as far as it will go.
morvak
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
classic. and the saddest part is, how true.
not to get too serious, but, what happened to our innocence?
Andrew Rybenkov
> not to get too serious, but, what happened to our innocence?
political "bullshit" correctness
CoinSpin
Whiners and lawyers took it. Nobody is responsible for their own
actions anymore, and all the frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits that pop
up constantly these days just reinforces that concept. And since we
have to coddle our kids now and can't actually punish bad behavior, we
are growing entire generations that have less and less respect and sense
of accountability for their own behaviors.
Seriously, it used to be that people either had common sense, or paid
the price for it. If you were stupid, ignorant or clumsy enough to do
something foolish, it was a learning experience (or deadly, which served
to thin out the defects in the gene pool). Now if you do something
wrong, it's obviously somebody else's fault!
Example: Hey, I ordered a cup of coffee from McDonalds, spilled it on
my lap, and it was hot and I got burned! Wow, never saw *that* coming!
I need a million dollars in damages because you actually served me hot
coffee! Of course, if you had served me tepid coffee I would have
bitched and made you serve me new hot stuff, but hey let's not cloud the
issue with facts here, I want my damn money!
Makes me ashamed to be a human being sometimes. Maybe I'm really an
alien and was adopted! Yah, I'll go with that, gives me some hope...
--
~ CoinSpin
CoinSpin
I think it's going to be a special effects extravaganza, judging from
the trailers and other snippets. My original impression that they were
deviating wildly from the original plotline seems to be false - the more
I see, the more it looks like they kept alot of the original plot, just
fleshed it out with killer digital doomsday effects. And if Keanu plays
his part like he did Neo in the Matrix, he could be a great fit for the
part... Rather withdrawn and vacant, wooden movements and slow dialog,
he's almost made for an "alien trying to be human-like" role. But if
there's a single "whoa" or "dude" I'll have to send the director hate
mail! :)
--
~ CoinSpin
Warewolf
news:2bf76477-da59-42cd...@j11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> Not to get too serious, but, what happened to our innocence?
I think it got sandwiched between human stupidity and overtolerance of said
problem.
I'd like to suggest that the world's morons (ie soccer moms, religious
extremists; copy protection studios) be executed/shut down but, chances
are, a bigger moron will be at the proverbial kill-switch. 9_9
And you wonder why the economy's in the toilet. -_-'
Signed,
Warewolf
who wonders if Einstein's spinning corpse can be used to charge the
remaining electric cars.
Mike S.
<coin^spam^sp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Example: Hey, I ordered a cup of coffee from McDonalds, spilled it on
>my lap, and it was hot and I got burned! Wow, never saw *that* coming!
Bad example. The coffee served in that famous incident was *too hot*.
Hot enough that it can cause third degree burns in about 4-5 seconds
which it did to her. Her medical costs came to $11,000 IIRC. So she
sued. Good for her. You would to. There are far better examples of
frivolous lawsuits in America then this one.
David Alex Lamb
> Example: Hey, I ordered a cup of coffee from McDonalds, spilled it on
> my lap, and it was hot and I got burned! Wow, never saw *that* coming!
> I need a million dollars in damages because you actually served me hot
> coffee! Of course, if you had served me tepid coffee I would have
> bitched and made you serve me new hot stuff, but hey let's not cloud the
> issue with facts here, I want my damn money!
A widely misquoted example. The coffee in question wasn't normal-hot,
it was scalding, near-boiling hot, and did serious skin damage. The
legal system is often stupid, but not always as stupid as people contend.
David Alex Lamb
> And if Keanu plays
> his part like he did Neo in the Matrix, he could be a great fit for the
> part... Rather withdrawn and vacant, wooden movements and slow dialog,
> he's almost made for an "alien trying to be human-like" role.
I've heard that, despite the wooden-ness, directors like him because he
shows up on time, knows his lines, and doesn't throw tantrums.
Warewolf
*and how many of the complainers were smacked upside their empty heads*
Pibbur Dragon
morvak skrev:
Have you played the game?
--
Pibbur
Sheldon England
>
>
> morvak skrev:
>> Pibbur Dragon wrote:
>>> Kyle Haight skrev:
>>>
>>>> I thought John Carpenter's remake of THE THING was better than the
>>>> 1950's man-in-a-rubber-suit version. It was certainly more faithful
>>>> to its original source material in John Campbell's "Who Goes There?"
>>>> But in general it's difficult to find movie remakes that are a
>>>> significant
>>>> improvement on the originals.
>>> I agree on that one!
>>
>> Same here! I still watch this whenever it comes on. I wish they would
>> do a follow up.
> Have you played the game?
There is a game based on John Carpenter's The Thing?
"I don't know what the hell is in there, but it's weird and pissed off
w//hatever it is."
- Sheldon
CoinSpin
Yah, it's meant as more of a general "this is the kind of crap people do
now" example, rather than a true than a case study... Maybe I should
have used the "burglar/trespasser fell through a skylight and sued the
owner for damages and won" example instead. Ah well.
--
~ CoinSpin
Andrew Rybenkov
> leshed it out with killer digital doomsday effects. And if Keanu plays his part like he did Neo in the Matrix
probably I am the lone man on the planet who consider Matrix series as a big pile of shit (and Keanu
along with it).
CoinSpin
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:52:33 +0300, CoinSpin <coin^spam^sp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> leshed it out with killer digital doomsday effects. And if Keanu plays his part like he did Neo in the Matrix
>>
>
> probably I am the lone man on the planet who consider Matrix series as a big pile of shit (and Keanu
> along with it).
>
The series? Yah, steaming and smelly... If they had stopped after the
first movie, it would have been better - that one was at least
entertaining and interesting.
--
~ CoinSpin
Shawk
For a fan of the film it was pretty good actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(video_game)
There were lots of references to the film plus the fear and trust twist
was actually pretty good. I think there was a demo
Wonder what I did with my copy and whether it'd still play?....