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DocScorpio

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Sep 26, 2002, 4:08:16 AM9/26/02
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Thought I would finish up the main quest before the expansion comes out but
have run into a problem. I've become hortator of the three houses and
nerevarine of the four tribes......but Indules at Vivec doesn't seem to
recognize this and tells me to "get lost." My journal has individual
entries that show that I'm hortator of the three houses and nerevarine of
the four tribes (got all the various tokens, also). I also have an entry
which explicitly states that I'm hort of all three houses. I do not have a
similar entry for the four tribes....just the individual entries showing me
named nerevarine of each tribe. I did them a little out of order: first
the Ush tribe, then the three houses, then the other three tribes. Is this
a bug or have I failed to dot an "i" or cross a "t" at some point. Thanks
for any help.


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 26, 2002, 4:18:15 AM9/26/02
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Talk to the Urshilaku wise woman and get her to confirm that you have
passed the fourth and fifth trials, then try talking to Indules. I don't
know if that will help, but I talked to her before I went to Vivec.
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DocScorpio

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Sep 26, 2002, 2:25:52 PM9/26/02
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E. Deirdre Brooks <KaliMa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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I've already gone back to all the tribes and talked to everybody, including
the Ursh wise-woman. They all acknowledge my char as their nerevarine. The
only thing I picked up that was new was a journal entry about my char
bearing the moonstone ring after I talked to the Ursh Ashkhan again.....but
still no go in Vivec. I noted that when I talked to the Ursh wise-woman
again two of the tribe names were highlighted in blue (when I clicked on
these, I got the Nerevarine taskings again) which indicates to me that the
game doesn't think I've finished with these two (Zainab and Ahemmusa).
However, when I visit the two tribes in question, their Ashkhans and
wise-women assure me that they already named me nerevarine and given me
their various tokens....and my journal reflects this.

I'm about ready to circumvent Danso Indules in Vivec and go directly to
Sayoni to see if I can proceed that way.

Thanks for trying to help.


Marko Svirčić

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Sep 26, 2002, 5:59:58 PM9/26/02
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Try talking to Caius in Balmora.

E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 26, 2002, 7:00:41 PM9/26/02
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Caius is gone long before this stage of the game.

E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 26, 2002, 7:00:25 PM9/26/02
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Did you click specifically on the Fourth Trial and Fifth Trial entries
in the dialogue box when speaking to the Urshilaku wise woman?

> I'm about ready to circumvent Danso Indules in Vivec and go directly to
> Sayoni to see if I can proceed that way.
>
> Thanks for trying to help.

DocScorpio

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Sep 27, 2002, 3:21:36 AM9/27/02
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E. Deirdre Brooks <KaliMa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

> Did you click specifically on the Fourth Trial and Fifth Trial entries
> in the dialogue box when speaking to the Urshilaku wise woman?
>
[snip]

I think that's what kicked off my problem. Per your suggestion, I returned
to the Ursh wise-woman and clicked on the trial entries. I must have missed
the Fifth Trial dialogue choice the first time around because this time I
got a new journal entry saying I had to be named the nerevarine of all the
tribes, etc. Just to be on the safe side, I went back to each of the other
three tribes and spoke to the Ashkhans and wise-women, who confirmed that I
was nerevarine. Then I returned to the Ursh wise-woman, but...alas....she
still said I needed to become nerevarine of the other three tribes. I
returned to Vivec, but Indules still won't talk to me because, as far as the
game is concerned, I'm not the nerevarine. I suspect that what I need is a
journal entry saying I'm nerevarine of all four tribes....similar to the one
I have for the house hortators. I'm not going to get it though because I
triggered the Fifth Trial dialogue choice after I became nerevarine of the
tribes.

It looks like if you miss that Fifth Trial dialogue choice and then become
the nerevarines of the other three tribes, the game can't recognize this
fact. I wouldn't call this a bug, rather just a bit of sloppiness in
framing the main quest. I suspect I can probably subvert the game and still
get to Dagoth Ur. If not, no big deal. Thanks for the advice.


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 27, 2002, 4:44:31 AM9/27/02
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> It looks like if you miss that Fifth Trial dialogue choice and then become
> the nerevarines of the other three tribes, the game can't recognize this
> fact. I wouldn't call this a bug, rather just a bit of sloppiness in
> framing the main quest. I suspect I can probably subvert the game and still
> get to Dagoth Ur. If not, no big deal. Thanks for the advice.

That sucks tho. :(

I believe you *can* move on by talking to the head guy at the temple.
Just go through the southern door to the high fane, and then through the
locked door inside, and he should send you to talk to Vivec *anyway*. At
least, that's what the Urshilaku wise woman, Divayth Fyr, and who knows
who else suggests you do if the game thinks you're not going through the
quest quickly enough.

DocScorpio

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Sep 27, 2002, 4:25:15 PM9/27/02
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E. Deirdre Brooks <KaliMa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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In fact, getting to Saryoni is going to be my next move. Atm, I'm actually
more interested in this problem than I am in the plot. ;-) If all else
fails, I can always go back to a (much) earlier save and simply do the
nerevarine and hortator quests over again....making sure I get all the right
dialogs in the right order.

My problem appears to be somewhat self-inflicted. As you no doubt surmised,
I have the strat guide. I was in a hurry to finish the main quest so
instead of exploring an unknown world as one should, I grabbed the guide and
begin to do the final quests, using it as a crib. For this reason, I missed
a key dialog choice or two because I already knew what I supposed to be
doing from the guide.


DocScorpio

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Sep 27, 2002, 7:34:39 PM9/27/02
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DocScorpio <DocSc...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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I picked the lock and entered Saryoni's presence, but he has nothing to say
to me. He seemed to accept the fact that my char is the Nerevarine, but
says I'm a heretic and he will do nothing to help me. I taunted and kill
him, but got "the thread of prophesy is broken, restore a saved game" msg.
I can try going to directly Vivec, but I don't anticipate any better
success.


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 27, 2002, 7:46:15 PM9/27/02
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Tamim

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Sep 27, 2002, 8:03:26 PM9/27/02
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Aren't there five tribes?


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 27, 2002, 9:03:21 PM9/27/02
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There are four tribes.

DocScorpio

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Sep 28, 2002, 3:19:49 AM9/28/02
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E. Deirdre Brooks <KaliMa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Tried the methodology for fixing mod-broken saves, but it doesn't seem to
pertain. I have no "D's" in the delete column (as described in the thread).
I've gone back to a save just after I completed the hortator quests. I'll
go forward from that point...making sure to get the right dialogs when I do
the three remaining nerevarine quests. Thanks for all your help.


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 28, 2002, 5:02:52 AM9/28/02
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DocScorpio wrote:
>
> Tried the methodology for fixing mod-broken saves, but it doesn't seem to
> pertain. I have no "D's" in the delete column (as described in the thread).
> I've gone back to a save just after I completed the hortator quests. I'll
> go forward from that point...making sure to get the right dialogs when I do
> the three remaining nerevarine quests. Thanks for all your help.

No problem. I'm sorry my advice didn't help. :-/ I recently ended up
starting over because I didn't know about how to fix mod-broken games or
to force topics into NPC conversations. Now I do, but I'm not sure if I
regret it. :)

DocScorpio

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Sep 29, 2002, 2:58:25 PM9/29/02
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E. Deirdre Brooks <KaliMa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> DocScorpio wrote:
> >
[snip]

> No problem. I'm sorry my advice didn't help. :-/ I recently ended up
> starting over because I didn't know about how to fix mod-broken games or
> to force topics into NPC conversations. Now I do, but I'm not sure if I
> regret it. :)
>
> --
> E. D. Brooks | kalima...@attbi.com | US2002021724
> Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG
> AeonAdventure | "By this time tomorrow, we can be doing BODY
> SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE." -- Penny Arcade

Went back to that earlier save, made sure I discussed the 5th Trial with the
Ursh wise-woman BEFORE doing the other 3 Ash tribe quests. This time, upon
finishing the last quest, I got the "You are nerevarine of all four tribes"
msg. Proceeded to Vivec and Danso Indules was completely cooperative. I've
seen Saryoni and am now off to see Vivec. Back on track!


E. Deirdre Brooks

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Sep 29, 2002, 7:20:57 PM9/29/02
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DocScorpio wrote:
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> Went back to that earlier save, made sure I discussed the 5th Trial with the
> Ursh wise-woman BEFORE doing the other 3 Ash tribe quests. This time, upon
> finishing the last quest, I got the "You are nerevarine of all four tribes"
> msg. Proceeded to Vivec and Danso Indules was completely cooperative. I've
> seen Saryoni and am now off to see Vivec. Back on track!

Yay. :) Glad to hear things are working.

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