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Mark Pankhurst

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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I'm inclined to agree with that Bethesda spokesman. True, if
Daggerfall were rewritten for win95 I'd be psyched, but Win95 "claims"
that it will run Dos apps. So, as long as I can run Daggerfall, I don't
really care. If however, I can't run Daggerfall, CivNet, or any other
new games on Win95, hell, I'm reloading Dos 6 without a second's
thought.

Starre69

Victor Rios

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Jul 31, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/31/95
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Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg: 31-Jul-95 Re:
Daggerfall for Win95 by Mark Pankhurst @ix.netco

I just wish to clarify my position....

I wasn't suggesting rewriting Daggerfall for Win95. I suggested that it
be tested for comaptability and, if it is not toom much extra effort,
try and make it run better under Win95's DOS windows. That's all. I
relaize that at this stage it would be practically impossible to adapt
the game to become a true Win95 application and still have the game out
anytime soon.

The biggest advantage I see for Bethesda to at least test and suggest a
configuration for Win95 is the following:

Many new computers will be shipping with Win95 once it is available.
Relatively new or inexperienced users may become frustrated with DOS
apps that can't run in a Win95 DOS window. Telling them to buy DOS and
installing then reinstalling Win95 just to have a dual boot option is
not an option. Telling them to boot just to the Win95 command prompt
(aka DOS 7) is valid only if there is a setup suggestion provided. This
is not unreasonable to test. If Bethesda (and other companies, I don't
just want to pick on them :-)) don't want to do this, then they should
not be surprised when copies of their games are returned. And I know I
will get flamed for suggesting that their are novice computer users (you
mean not everyone is an expert that freely roams the internet!), but
look at recent issues of The Wall Street Journal, Business Week, Time,
Newsweek, etc. that have reported the number of new, personal computer
buyers jumped dramatically in 1994 and the trend is expected to continue
into 95 and 96.

Just something to think about.

Take care, I'll be expecting more flames than last time...

- Vic Rios
victo...@mail.amsinc.com
vr...@andrew.cmu.edu


Bethesda01

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Aug 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/1/95
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Undoubtedly one of our Beta Testers will have WIN 95 as soon as it is
officially releaed - but DAGGERFALL goes to Beta this week.
Bethesda Softworks

whack!

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Aug 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/1/95
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I think that is a but irresponsible of Bethesda to just say "Its up to
Microsoft to make sure ..." Geez. Microsoft is in the business of
making money too. They have their products, and they are not making
Windoze 95 to sink Bethesda... there is no vendetta.

The point is that if Bethesda wants to sell software, they have to be
compatible with prevailing operating systems. If it doesn't work with
Windoze95, then I'm sure that Bethesda is going to see the average
number of returns for DaggerFall skyrocket... something their marketing
folks will love. Windoze95 has been "around" for sometime. I for one,
think that the only Microsoft has done right for some time is to allow
extensive Beta testing and early access for developers. There may be
a valid reason for not supporting windoze95, but it certainly isn't
"up to Microsoft" to make things right.


Whack ! -- I like it like that.

Bruce Williams

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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I run all my games under Windows 95, and I will be very disapointed if
I cannot run Daggerfall. I have had reasonable success running my
other DOS games under Windows 95, and I hope to do the same with
Daggerfall. Bethesda's unwillingness to test the configuration, while
understandable, is disappointing, and may result in one less sale if
Daggerfall turns out not to be Win95-compatible.


Bethesda01

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Aug 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/5/95
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At least one of our beta testers will probably be running Win 95. If
the products lives up to Microsoft's statements that it will run all sorts
of
games then it should run DAGGERFALL also. I believe there is an option
to boot DOS.

Please note that the publishes requirements for DAGGERFALL are DOS 5.0
or higher.
Bethesda Softworks

sdf

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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I have to wonder how many people my age are willing to spend hundreds
or thousands of dollars to play the latest RPG if that RPG requiresw
an operating system that is mandated by a single software developer
in collaboration with a host of original equipment manufacturers.
<not to mention copy-writers who need to fill weekly or monthly
rags on the PC state of the art>.

My father was using a 286 green-screen without even Windows until
this year. A *lot* of RPGers that I know have been doing well with
the trailing edge of technology.. in fact *most* RPGers are on the
trailing edge.. so far as I know.

Don't press Win95. There is going to be <already is> considerable
reluctance to move to it.. considerable reluctance to purchase it if
it requires additional memory, software upgrades, new equipment,
a new processor, and so forth.. without a Visicalc level application
or some terrific need that hasn't been met with th existing software.

There is a vast difference between a market-driven change in
standards and a change in standards imposed on the market by a
single developer through collaboration with the suppliers and media
that covers that market segment. The hardcore RPGers may switch,
but most of the people I know who would love to play Daggerfall
will be having problems buying a CD-ROm, must less a $100+ CD-ROM,
additional memory for their machine, an additional DX2 processor,
software upgrades for their current work-related software packages
<CorelDraw, WordPerfect, et. al.>, the $89 upgrade to Win95, etc.

If all that's for a game.. if the current setup they have is
doing everything they need, fewer are going to make the move.
WE've done it before.

The only killer apps these days are games.. and for a lot of people
that is an increasingly difficult pill to swallow. I'd be
surprised if the core RPG market hasn't aged some, where our
trailing edge is comprised of sega-genesis crowds, and the leading
edge is hitting its 30's or higher. Most of the people my age
who would purchase these games are getting married, are out
of school, and are trying to set aside money for houses, a
car to replace the 15-year-old vehicle they have, and so forth.
Spending $1k on a game isn't the option that it used to be.

I've been trying to convince my friend to spend $110 on a CD-ROM,
and even with overtime he's not buying. He's getting rid of
his VISA debt, first. The only other friend I know who might
upgrade probably won't.. eh's frugal, he has a $340K house mortgage
to pay off, and I seriously doubt he's going to redirect the
money to upgrade a very nice 486/66 that does everything he needs.
This is the one who is living with a 1979 Celica and who is
looking to buy a new truck to replace it.

Work with your DOS market for a few years, folks. I very
strongly recommend it.

Steven

Bethesda01 (bethe...@aol.com) wrote:
: At least one of our beta testers will probably be running Win 95. If

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