DF -----> TES 3, looks like no SVGA :(
cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Greetings. Just got off irc after talking to HalB (Bethesda programmer) about
whether SVGA would be included in TES 3. Here's what he (unfortunately)
revealed:
(Note: I made this log by simply copying to clipboard in Virc, then pasting
into here. My only edit is early on when HalB wasn't yet present. I don't
know how to make a more "secure" irc log, you'll just have to trust that I'm
not an "edit selectively and mix the words" fibber. )
I'm "Devastatr" in the conversation below.
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<HalB> rehi
<EtherCode> rehiheyhello
[Devastatr] Hi Hal...I bought the game and I do like it overall :)
[Devastatr] I didn't know who you were the other night...thanks for being
honest about VGA
<HalB> heh
<HalB> no prob.
<EtherCode> Devastatr: It doesn't detract much from the game, does it?
[Devastatr] Hal: I saw on Eric's Daggerfall page that Julian Lefay told
him that TES 3 will hopefully not take too long to complete. Can you give any
details?
[Devastatr] Ether: no
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* EtherCode picked up a full suit of Dwarven from guard-slaying in
Daggerfall::Daggerfall::CastleDaggerfall
* HalB adds a new bunch of repairs to fixsave.
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<Argus> [freek] I love mutski :o
<EtherCode> Hal: yay
<HalB> Uh, that statement is no longer true. What TES3 was going to be at the
time is no longer valid so its not just going to be another game cranked out.
<HalB> (like the numbers for updating to SVGA didn't look very promising)
[Devastatr] hmm but will it still be SVGA, just will take longer to make?
(hope so)
<HalB> There will be over 10 man years of artwork required just to do a game
like Daggerfall in SVGA.
[Devastatr] Whoa
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<EtherCode> Um, so hire ten men and do it in a year
<HalB> So thats why Daggerfall wasn't and can't be patched for SVGA.
[Devastatr] hmm
<HalB> you know how long it takes to hire 10 artists? :)
<HalB> and then to train them?
<HalB> and where to put them...
[Devastatr] But will next TES use less NPC's or something, etc. and be in
SVGA (I didn't mean patching Daggerfall)
<HalB> Thats about all I can comment about TES 3.
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[Devastatr] well thanks for that info anyway
<EtherCode> define SVGA = <HalB> There will be over 10 man years of
artwork requires just to do a game like Daggerfall in SVGA.
<HalB> You have to remember, the TES line pushes wthe limits for data
content. It takes time to do that. name another game that has as much original
artowrk done like Daggerfall.
<Argus> DICT: Information Assimilated.
<HalB> You could at least fix the grammar in the quote etherman.
<EtherCode> oops =)
<EtherCode> undefine svga
<Argus> DICT: Definition for 'svga' cleared.
<EtherCode> define SVGA = <HalB> There will be over 10 man years of
artwork required just to do a game like Daggerfall in SVGA.
<Argus> DICT: Information Assimilated.
<EtherCode> Hal: thanks for the info.
* EtherCode awaits TES3 in 2007
[Devastatr] My humble suggestion: fewer but more in-depth NPC's, etc,
smaller dungeons, and SVGA since fewer things to draw (tough line to walk I
know, but...). Or at least something like 600x400? Quake-type VESA modes
etc?
<EtherCode> Daggerfall's world is quite large.
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[Devastatr] I do really like the freedom of action.
[Devastatr] Sometimes when I exit to win95 desktop, only a few desktop
icons start to draw and the system freezes. Any suggestions? P Pro 200, 32MB
<EtherCode> Perhaps too large.
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[Devastatr] Ether: agreed. I'd gladly have a smaller world (within
reason) to get SVGA
<HalB> nopers. no idea.
Note that Hal may have thought I was asking if DF itself will be patched
to SVGA (??). I wasn't, but anyway . . . I left shortly after the above
dialogue, Hal hadn't added anything else. I hope we can convince Bethesda
that they can/should reduce the size of the world somewhat, make fewer (but
more distinctive) NPC's, etc., in other words do anything within reason to
allow SVGA to be practicable. My two cents.
Jerry Caveney
In <58ptdq$n...@pith.uoregon.edu> cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu writes:
>...
I assume Hal comes on the Daggerfall channel, but what server (if
that's the right word): Effnet, Undernet, Dagnet? And is he most
likely to show up at a certain time of day, or on certain days? And is
his nick always HalB so I can add him to my notify list?
Thanks.
Jerry
cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Eh...Effnet I'm pretty sure (not Undernet). Hate to admit it, but I haven't
paid much attention to those distinctions in the past, I just try a server in
Virc and either get in or change. Most don't have anything in the server name
itself to designate them Effnet (Undernet is an exception I guess, which is
why I say it wasn't undernet). From my weak understanding, everything that
appears on Effnet also appears on Undernet but not vice versa? That could be
totally wrong...
I've seen him on late (11:00pm or so PST) and today it was around noon PST if
I recall. Yes, his nick is consistently HalB. If you do a /whois, it won's
always say he's from Bethsoft because he occasionally uses another isp. Also,
at times he's in the channel but "not really," if you get my drift. :) Same
with a few of the other frequent folks.
Hal Bouma
cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu wrote:
[lots of irc log file snipped.]
No, what I was saying is that in regard to the statement of "Julian was
quoted as saying TES 3 was going to be a quick crankout." I replied no,
thats not the case anymore because we realized how much work it would
take to do the game in SVGA. Which sums up by this following quote
from above:
<HalB> Uh, that statement is no longer true. What TES3 was going to be
at the time is no longer valid so its not just going to be another game
cranked out.
<HalB> (like the numbers for updating to SVGA didn't look
very promising)
And I tried to explain just how much work SVGA was going to take. Now,
the person I was talking to thought that the original schedule for TES 3
would remain the same, the game content would not. That is _NOT_ the
case. As I stated at the beginning of the log, I was trying to say
because of the art scheduling, its very hard to say when TES 3 will come
out because it will be SVGA. And that it will take longer than just a
quick crankout.
Hal - Daggefall Programmer
h...@bethsoft.com
Jerry Caveney
Sounds great. Guess my 486-66 won't stand a chance will it?
Btw, how does one become a beta (or other) tester for Bethsoft?
Jerry
Ramses
[cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu]:
>Eh...Effnet I'm pretty sure (not Undernet). Hate to admit it, but I haven't
>paid much attention to those distinctions in the past, I just try a server in
>Virc and either get in or change. Most don't have anything in the server name
>itself to designate them Effnet (Undernet is an exception I guess, which is
>why I say it wasn't undernet). From my weak understanding, everything that
>appears on Effnet also appears on Undernet but not vice versa? That could be
>totally wrong...
Yes, that's wrong. You won't find any undernet users on ef-net or vice
versa simply because it's two different and incompatible nets.
Ramses
D Rapp
Jerry Caveney wrote:
>
> In <58ptdq$n...@pith.uoregon.edu> cbar...@darkwing.uoregon.edu writes:
> >...
>
> I assume Hal comes on the Daggerfall channel, but what server (if
> that's the right word): Effnet, Undernet, Dagnet? And is he most
> likely to show up at a certain time of day, or on certain days? And is
> his nick always HalB so I can add him to my notify list?
>
>
> Jerry
Please continue to leave the "DF" in the beginning of the subject lines.
It was a courtesy convention started for those of us who don't want to
wade through the Daggerfall posts. BTW, you now have a newsgroup
dedicated to the game.
Dan
Phase Dragon
Jerry Caveney wrote:
> Sounds great. Guess my 486-66 won't stand a chance will it?
>
> Btw, how does one become a beta (or other) tester for Bethsoft?
Play Daggerfall and you already are one.
PHASE DRAGON
>>> UDIC <<<
Mr. B
That depends on the server you utilize. Can not get DF newsgroup. Any
how, this is Computer Games RPG and DF is CRPG.
Stephane Evoy
> Btw, how does one become a beta (or other) tester for Bethsoft?
You buy their game.
--
Stephane Evoy
Cornell University
-=UDIC=- Luminescent Dragon