Best Old Games
Zank Frappa
Something tells me this site is not exactly legal and won't last very long
but they have some real oldies but goodies there up for grabs.
Rin Stowleigh
wrote:
>http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/
>
>Something tells me this site is not exactly legal and won't last very long
>but they have some real oldies but goodies there up for grabs.
Weird, look at the Pacman screens. Something about the color and
graphics looks nothing like any port I remember, from Atari 2600 to
8bit up to arcade.
Tim O
I think that is the Atarisoft version believe it or not. A real
slapdash CGA effort. There were ripoffs that were actually better
ports of the actual game.
I have tons of that crap on 3.5" floppies. I don't even have a floppy
drive anymore, but can't bring myself to just chuck it.
Traveler
Anyone tried it? They have Wizardry 7 listed but I dodn't trust the
site. You'd think GoG would have these titles.
Warewolf
news:i471ht$eh8$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/
>
> Something tells me this site is not exactly legal and won't last very
> long but they have some real oldies but goodies there up for grabs.
Considering the overall age of the software on that site, I wouldn't worry
too much. The companies that produced/published those games have long
since abandoned them so, for now at least, they're fair game.
(And do you honestly think the builders/admins of that site would make a
profit from them in this day/age?)
Still, if it bothers you that much, there are plenty of freeware sites
(plus online shops like Steam, GOG and TotalGaming.net) available.
In fact, I could post a list of them, if you'd like.
Signed,
Warewolf
who hopes that *ALL* software over 5-10 years old will be released as
freeware someday.
Rin Stowleigh
wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:43:09 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
><rstow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:24:09 -0400, "Zank Frappa" <za...@mail.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/
>>>
>>>Something tells me this site is not exactly legal and won't last very long
>>>but they have some real oldies but goodies there up for grabs.
>>
>>Weird, look at the Pacman screens. Something about the color and
>>graphics looks nothing like any port I remember, from Atari 2600 to
>>8bit up to arcade.
>
>I think that is the Atarisoft version believe it or not. A real
>slapdash CGA effort. There were ripoffs that were actually better
>ports of the actual game.
For me, there isn't a pacman clone on the planet that matches the
original game. I can get my fix from the MAME rom (some of them at
least) because its the same code, but the addictive quality of Pacman
really existed in the patterns you could run, and the way the
programming logic of the monsters reacted to certain things, as well
as certain bugs/nuances of the map (I almost mistakenly typed maps in
the plural).
In the original Pacman, before they upgraded it to prevent hour-long
gaming sessions, there was sort of a very narrow chasm between
programming code and human thinking ability (as well as agility) that
was really what made the game beautiful. Of course there was all the
fruity 80s culture around it like the song and such, but the really
"hardcore pacman players" (laughing as I write that) understand what I
meant. It was all about the patterns and the unintended flukes built
into the original ROM burn.
All the ports and ripoffs were interesting (admittedly, when the 2600
version came out, that was as close as I would get to the arcade /
skating rink / pizza hut version while playing in my bedroom), none of
them had enough of the accidental technological wonders that went into
the original. Sometimes it was fun to play a rip off or port just to
compare and contrast, but I don't think any of them would have created
the sensation the original did. Part of it was "the sport" it
created, kind of like Starcraft in Korea. The conversations and
energy generated by the hardcore players transferred over into others
who wanted to understand what the buzz was about, then it became
viral. Looking back at everything, I was glad to have been one who
wasted many quarters in that game and to have been there at that
pivotal point in video gaming history.
You can still actually find pattern diagrams for the original ROM with
a little searching. Classic gaming is an interesting study.
>I have tons of that crap on 3.5" floppies. I don't even have a floppy
>drive anymore, but can't bring myself to just chuck it.
I don't have a working PC in my house (and I typically have about 5 at
a time) that has a floppy drive in it. I haven't even seen one at
work since maybe 2004 either.
MetalGuru
"Zank Frappa" wrote:
> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/
>
>> Something tells me this site is not exactly legal and won't last very
>> long but they have some real oldies but goodies there up for grabs.
> Anyone tried it? They have Wizardry 7 listed but I dodn't trust the
> site. You'd think GoG would have these titles.
No I haven't tried it myself, but was hoping someone here would and let us
know if it's safe :)
BOG is supposedly all free though, while GoG isn't.
Tim O
<rstow...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>You can still actually find pattern diagrams for the original ROM with
>a little searching. Classic gaming is an interesting study.
I have a project going right now that you'll probably like. At the
moment I have 7 full sized arcade games, from 81 up to a Golden Tee
Fore! from 2005.
Right now, they're all over the house and garage. I'm about 70% done a
dedicated gameroom, at which point I'll be able to add up to about 15
more games/pins. I'll link some pics when its done.
Rin Stowleigh
wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:28:05 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
Cool, post some pics :) If I had enough time, money and room I would
build a museum of vintage arcade games because of where they rank with
me. But, I travel light these days so in the meantime it amuses me to
no end that I can load up these vintage games on a laptop in a hotel
room.
Bradley Soul
discuss.
Instead I found a hive of scum and villainy, prepared to do nothing but
steal from game developers. Pathetic.
I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since you pirates have already
killed PC gaming dead. Enjoy picking over the bones, vultures.
Morgan
I've downloaded Albion, it's clean of viruses and doesn't require
registration or anything.
Zank Frappa
> I thought this would be a thread about great old games, and I was
> ready to discuss.
So what exactly is keeping you from doing that? It's a free unmoderated
forum remember? Welcome to Usenet.
> Instead I found a hive of scum and villainy, prepared to do nothing
> but steal from game developers. Pathetic.
Nothing but? Now you're just trolling.
> I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since you pirates have
> already killed PC gaming dead. Enjoy picking over the bones, vultures.
Shiver me timbers, a drama wench in our midst!
Aye, we be comin' for t' consoles next, scallywag. Arrr.
Justisaur
> I thought this would be a thread about great old games, and I was ready to
> discuss.
>
So did I.
Master of Magic, Chaos, Magic Candle, Populous, Dungeon Keeper,
Warlords, Captive, Crusader, Star Control II, and Wing commander III.
Discuss.
- Justisaur
Mike S.
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So did I.
>
>Master of Magic, Chaos, Magic Candle, Populous, Dungeon Keeper,
>Warlords, Captive, Crusader, Star Control II, and Wing commander III.
>
>Discuss.
Ok.
Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered, never
heard of that, would have tried it but time limits in RPGs are a game
design no-no, never tried it, never tried it, never tried it, never
heard of it, never played it but I heard it was good, I liked this one
despite the time limit game design no-no, and finally, one of the only
good FMV games out there.
There you go. Discussed.
Zank Frappa
> Justisaur wrote:
>>Master of Magic, Chaos, Magic Candle, Populous, Dungeon Keeper,
>>Warlords, Captive, Crusader, Star Control II, and Wing commander III.
>>Discuss.
>
> Ok.
>
> Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered, never
> heard of that, would have tried it but time limits in RPGs are a game
> design no-no, never tried it, never tried it, never tried it, never
> heard of it, never played it but I heard it was good, I liked this one
> despite the time limit game design no-no, and finally, one of the only
> good FMV games out there.
>
> There you go. Discussed.
Well, I disagree. End of discussion.
Justisaur
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:43:06 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
>
> >So did I.
>
> >Discuss.
>
> Ok.
>
Ow! Wall of Text BAD. I supposed I started it though, so I'll fix it.
> >Master of Magic
> Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered,
Play on Impossible, or play something difficult to win with, or both.
There were also some fan made scenarios that were pretty good.
> >Chaos
> never heard of that
There's some web versions out there, I'm still trying to one that
doesn't crash though. ZX-Spectrum game originally, but I was
introduced to it on the Atari-ST. Fun little game especially if you
play with others. There was also another game based on it, Lords of
Chaos, but it was rather poor. Eventually the author went on to make
X-Com.
> >Magic Candle
> would have tried it but time limits in RPGs are a game
> design no-no
I agree with that. It was top of the fun scale though. Kinda like
another one with a time limit: Fallout
> > Populous
> never tried it,
Awesome game, doesn't really hold up so well though. I remember back
when everyone I knew was playing it.
> > Dungeon Keeper,
> never tried it,
Wow, this was really one of the best, probably the best RTS I've ever
played. I played it again recently, The graphics are aging a bit, but
still plays well. I recommend trying it.
> > Warlords
> never tried it,
Great Strategy game, not quite as good as MoM but probably #2 of all
strategy games in my book. Well worth a play or 10 if you are looking
at old games.
> >Captive
> never heard of it
Great sci-fi RPG, doesn't really hold up that well, as I tried it
again not too long ago.
> >Crusader
> never played it but I heard it was good,
Probably doesn't really belong on "old" games list, depends how old
old is though.
> > Star Control II
> I liked this one despite the time limit game design no-no.
I wonder why so many of the best games had time limits?
> > Wing Commander III
> one of the only
> good FMV games out there.
Probably the only one. If there is another one that is good I'd love
to hear it. Also I think Mark Hamill's best (only good) role outside
of Star Wars, although I did enjoy The Guyver.
- Justisaur
Morgan
Er, you do understand that the games on that site are no longer
commercially availably right? Also "*wretched* hive of scum and
villainy" would have been batter.
Morgan
>>> Dungeon Keeper,
>
>> never tried it,
>
> Wow, this was really one of the best, probably the best RTS I've ever
> played. I played it again recently, The graphics are aging a bit, but
> still plays well. I recommend trying it.
Yeh, I'd love a remake or Dungeon Keeper 3
>>> Crusader
>
>> never played it but I heard it was good,
>
> Probably doesn't really belong on "old" games list, depends how old
> old is though.
IIRC it's roughly the same era of Dungeon Keeper
>>> Wing Commander III
>
>> one of the only
>> good FMV games out there.
>
> Probably the only one. If there is another one that is good I'd love
> to hear it. Also I think Mark Hamill's best (only good) role outside
> of Star Wars, although I did enjoy The Guyver.
WC4 was good as well if you ask me.
Tim O
How can you be so sure that website didn't travel back in time,
bankrupt those developers, and is now just adding insult to injury?
Some kind of time travelling double piracy ghost ship, killing PC
games dead 15 years later and its all our fault.
Don't underestimate this deep thinker and his solid logic. Its already
apparent he was splitting atoms while you were watching Star Wars!
Morgan
That's a very good point. We should blame it all on Marty McFly. Damn
him, game developer bankrupter and pine killer. :-)
Mike S.
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ow! Wall of Text BAD. I supposed I started it though, so I'll fix it.
I know, I was just being silly.
>Probably the only one. If there is another one that is good I'd love
>to hear it.
I never played them but The Ripper with Christopher Walken and Under a
Killing Moon fell somewhere between decent and good if I remember the
reviews correctly.
Peter Huebner
So where did pancakes come into this discussion?
Morgan
My dyslexia aside, I'd say that the introduction of pancakes (or other
batter based food) makes his argument no more bizarre than it is by its
self. :-)
Unknown
<brad...@gomailcom.com> wrote:
>I thought this would be a thread about great old games, and I was ready to
>discuss.
>
>Instead I found a hive of scum and villainy
So. Welcome to the hive, Bradley.
Now you might try saying something about games.
Andrew Rybenkov
> Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered
Paladins were not big deal, but wraiths were game-breakers indeed.
Make a wraith ASAP, and the World is yours.
--
Andrew Rybenkov
Ross Ridge
>Master of Magic, Chaos, Magic Candle, Populous, Dungeon Keeper,
>Warlords, Captive, Crusader, Star Control II, and Wing commander III.
>
>Discuss.
Mike S. <Mi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered, never
>heard of that, would have tried it but time limits in RPGs are a game
>design no-no, never tried it, never tried it, never tried it, never
>heard of it, never played it but I heard it was good, I liked this one
>despite the time limit game design no-no, and finally, one of the only
>good FMV games out there.
I'm more or less agree, except I didn't think Master of Magic was that
good, and never played much of Wing Commander III. I've played Populous,
Dungeon Keeper II and Warlords, the later two are pretty good, but the
former doesn't hold up that well but it was fun at the time.
Some other good ol' games:
Alien Legacy - Flawed, but no other game is quite like it. You're
colonizing another solar system while trying to figure out what happened
to the colonizers that arrived before you.
Mechwarrior 1 - Very primitive by today's standard, but I wish more games
had it's open world and randomly generated missions.
Pool of Radiance - The original Gold Box game. An absoulte classic and
still holds up pretty well.
Wizardry VII - One of the last hardcore RPGs, and the RPG I've played
the most times.
Ross Ridge
--
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[oo][oo] rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
-()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/
db //
Mike S.
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Alien Legacy - Flawed, but no other game is quite like it. You're
>colonizing another solar system while trying to figure out what happened
>to the colonizers that arrived before you.
Wow I haven't thought about this one in a long time! My memory of this
one is hazy but I do remember that I liked it.
>Mechwarrior 1 - Very primitive by today's standard, but I wish more games
>had it's open world and randomly generated missions.
I was never into the whole mech thing.
>Pool of Radiance - The original Gold Box game. An absoulte classic and
>still holds up pretty well.
This might be the first RPG I ever played. It was the first one I ever
finished. I loved this game. It does hold up quite well as do all of
the gold box games. I think people throw the word classic around too
much but this game is definitely a classic.
>Wizardry VII - One of the last hardcore RPGs, and the RPG I've played
>the most times.
I bought the Wizardry archive collection awhile back. Wiz I through
VII in one box. I haven't played any of them yet but I do intend on
playing all of them back to back at some point.
Greg Johnson
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
><just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Master of Magic, Chaos, Magic Candle, Populous, Dungeon Keeper,
>>Warlords, Captive, Crusader, Star Control II, and Wing commander III.
>>
>>Discuss.
>
>Mike S. <Mi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>Awesome game but too easy to win and paladins were overpowered, never
>>heard of that, would have tried it but time limits in RPGs are a game
>>design no-no, never tried it, never tried it, never tried it, never
>>heard of it, never played it but I heard it was good, I liked this one
>>despite the time limit game design no-no, and finally, one of the only
>>good FMV games out there.
>
>I'm more or less agree, except I didn't think Master of Magic was that
>good, and never played much of Wing Commander III. I've played Populous,
>Dungeon Keeper II and Warlords, the later two are pretty good, but the
>former doesn't hold up that well but it was fun at the time.
Populous II was actually quite a bit better, with more interesting
powers, more varied maps, and actual plot goals(of a sort).
>Some other good ol' games:
>
>Alien Legacy - Flawed, but no other game is quite like it. You're
>colonizing another solar system while trying to figure out what happened
>to the colonizers that arrived before you.
Still one of my favorites. I don't even think I have a machine that
can read the floppies today, though.
--
Greg Johnson
Ross Ridge
>Mechwarrior 1 - Very primitive by today's standard, but I wish more games
>had it's open world and randomly generated missions.
Mike S. <Mi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I was never into the whole mech thing.
I'm not a big fan of giant robots in general, they don't really make
sense, but there's a fair number of good mech-based games out there.
>>Wizardry VII - One of the last hardcore RPGs, and the RPG I've played
>>the most times.
>
>I bought the Wizardry archive collection awhile back. Wiz I through
>VII in one box. I haven't played any of them yet but I do intend on
>playing all of them back to back at some point.
The early games in series are very primitive, and very hardcore.
Personally, I'd start with the first one and then skip to 6 and take a
party through to 8. The first 3 games are pretty much the same, so if
you play the first you've seen the rest. The fifth isn't much different.
The 4th is completely backwards, but it's also supposed to be ridiculously
hard, and has a turn limit. The last three form a trilogy so are good to
play back to back, and the graphics start getting better in the 6th game.
Ross Ridge
>Alien Legacy - Flawed, but no other game is quite like it. You're
>colonizing another solar system while trying to figure out what happened
>to the colonizers that arrived before you.
Greg Johnson <greg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Still one of my favorites. I don't even think I have a machine that
>can read the floppies today, though.
Heh. I figured that would be the game that no one else would've even
heard of. Fortunately, not only do I have a few floppies drives around,
I never uninstalled Alien Legacy. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a lot
of replay value so I haven't played it in, umm... 8 years.
Mike S.
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>The early games in series are very primitive, and very hardcore.
>Personally, I'd start with the first one and then skip to 6 and take a
>party through to 8. The first 3 games are pretty much the same, so if
>you play the first you've seen the rest. The fifth isn't much different.
>The 4th is completely backwards, but it's also supposed to be ridiculously
>hard, and has a turn limit. The last three form a trilogy so are good to
>play back to back, and the graphics start getting better in the 6th game.
Yes, there is a chance of me skipping the early games (1 through 5) if
I find them a little too old school but I am pretty old school myself
where RPGs are concerned.
I had to google about the Wiz 4 time limit since I knew nothing about
it until you brought it up. I may skip this one. I'll certainly try
it though. Thanks for the info.
I am also aware that Wiz 7 has a time limit of sorts as the map pieces
may not be where they are supposed to be if you take too long but I am
hoping that just means finding them is more difficult, not impossible.
Vincenzo Beretta
> > never tried it,
> Wow, this was really one of the best, probably the best RTS
> I've ever played.
I have fond memories of this title. Back in 1996, when it was about to come
out, a lot of people whined hard(tm) about how playing "dungeon vs. dungeon"
was a rip-off of Warcraft II. When I got an advance review copy and I was
able to confirm that it was nothing remotely like Warcraft II, they wined
hard 2 - whined harder(tm) about how I was a "paid jurno" or something.
It was a growing up moment: when you discover that people on the internet
*can* have opinions about things they are clueless about. Actually, about
how the less clues you have, the more "informed" your opinion can be - since
you don have to deal with the complexities of the real world :o)
Peter Huebner
zagh...@hotmail.com says...
>
> I think the illusion of persecution and consipiracy is very attractive to some
> folks on the net. Some people just want to start fights.
>
>
>
Or, as somebody put it succinctly in another ng:
"Some people are looking for issues, not solutions."
(after some dude kept bleating that he *demanded* the developers of
mozilla change design *immediately* to what he considered best, in a ng
(!)) Now that thread that was a laugh a minute. More so because that
clown posted from a .edu address, and dismissed out of hand all attempts
to address his perceived issues and help him out with advice. He became
the butt of countless jokes, but I don't think he got even one of them.
-P.
Ross Ridge
>I am also aware that Wiz 7 has a time limit of sorts as the map pieces
>may not be where they are supposed to be if you take too long but I am
>hoping that just means finding them is more difficult, not impossible.
If anything it makes finding them easier, you just need to take them from
the one or two NPCs that end up with them. Ideally you'd want to find
them first so you don't end up opening a chest after defeating a horde
of monsters and solving some difficult puzzle only to find nothing.
However, only one of the maps is necessary to finishing the game, the
rest are just vague clues for other areas in the game. I wouldn't worry
about them too much.
Angus
0e394e...@g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, just...@gmail.com says...
I'm realtively new to the pc, am I right in thinking that Dosbox would
be required to run most of these on this XP machine? Is that
straightforward?
Anyway, PowerMonger was a favourite of mine, at least on the Amiga.
Angus
rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
>
>
> Mechwarrior 1 - Very primitive by today's standard, but I wish more games
> had it's open world and randomly generated missions.
>
Hey, I ran Mechwarrior 1 on my Amiga using pc emulation a while back -
cool game in my opinion.
We never had a 3D mech game y'see.
Angus
no....@this.address says...
Those aren't the pancakes you're looking for.... move along, move along.
Mike S.
<angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm realtively new to the pc, am I right in thinking that Dosbox would
>be required to run most of these on this XP machine? Is that
>straightforward?
Those games might run in XP but certainly without sound. Dosbox should
run them with sound just fine but it isn't the most straightforward to
use program out there. But if you already know how to run games in a
real DOS environment, then you can figure out DosBox easily enough.
Mike S.
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>If anything it makes finding them easier, you just need to take them from
>the one or two NPCs that end up with them. Ideally you'd want to find
>them first so you don't end up opening a chest after defeating a horde
>of monsters and solving some difficult puzzle only to find nothing.
>However, only one of the maps is necessary to finishing the game, the
>rest are just vague clues for other areas in the game. I wouldn't worry
>about them too much.
I really didn't know that Ross, it is good to know. Thank you!
Ross Ridge
>Hey, I ran Mechwarrior 1 on my Amiga using pc emulation a while back -
>cool game in my opinion.
>
>We never had a 3D mech game y'see.
You mean BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception? Yah, that was pretty
good game too. I remember playing the C64 version way back when.
Andrew Rybenkov
> But if you already know how to run games in a
> real DOS environment, then you can figure out DosBox easily enough.
"D-Fend" is the magic word for DosBox users ;)
--
Andrew Rybenkov
Bradley Soul
In movies and games, pirates know they're doing wrong and don't care. You
lot seem to want to rationalise your bad behaviour no matter what the
facts.
I'm through here. I'll keep following you on other channels, Mr. Falcon,
because you alone are worth reading. To the pirates: thanks for killing PC
gaming. It's dead now, and you know you killed it, so wave your hands and
pretend you didn't all you want because it doesn't really matter at this
point. Your mealy-mouthed protests won't change the record of history.
Brad out.
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
"Bradley Soul" <brad...@gomailcom.com> wrote in message
news:i4sf52$hn1$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
LOL
You don't actually believe the media's version of history, do you? The PC is
still strong and always will be and no amount of lies from the people in
charge will change that. Sure, a few newbie consoles will come along here
and there and take away some of its thunder, but all that really means is
that we still get the game, even if it is dumbed down for console newbies.
Andrew Rybenkov
> You don't actually believe the media's version of history, do you?
Don't bother, he is a troll using different nicks for his lousy activities.
With experience it is enough to read first line of a message to recognize the idiot.
--
Andrew Rybenkov
Morgan
> Virtual Dos Machine.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound/
>
> Personally, I like the way DOSBox works better for most programs, but there are
> a few where VDMS is superior.
>
I never had much luck with VDMS, was a long time ago though. I find DOS
Box will run most things quite well.
Morgan
> Who knew thieves were so emotionally fragile?
Odd, as far as I can see *you* are the only one getting emotional.
> I'm through here. I'll keep following you on other channels, Mr. Falcon,
> because you alone are worth reading.
ROTFLMAO
noman
> Alternatively, you can run VDMSound, which will handle sound calls for an
> NT/XP Virtual Dos Machine.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound/
>
> Personally, I like the way DOSBox works better for most programs, but there
> are a few where VDMS is superior.
VDMSound doesn't work on the 64 bit versions of Windows. DosBox does.
--
Noman
Mike S.
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"D-Fend" is the magic word for DosBox users ;)
Good advice. I'd use De-Fend myself if I didn't already know my way
around the DosBox configuration file. I should have mentioned it, it
just didn't cross my mind when I last posted.
Greg Johnson
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:43:01 +0000 (UTC), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, noman
>wrote:
>Yup. VDMS is an option, not a magic bullet. DOSBox fails on some games, too,
>though it's gotten a lot better for most mainstream titles.
>
>I prefer DOSBox, but I keep VDMS installed for a variety of reasons.
>
>If you need 32-bit, you can always run in "XP mode." I think that still has
>NTVDM. This only works in the Pro and Ultimate versions of Win 7, though.
Don't expect much from XP mode - I doubt you could run any game in it.
--
Greg Johnson
Spalls Hurgenson
wrote:
>>
>>I prefer DOSBox, but I keep VDMS installed for a variety of reasons.
>>
>>If you need 32-bit, you can always run in "XP mode." I think that still has
>>NTVDM. This only works in the Pro and Ultimate versions of Win 7, though.
>
>Don't expect much from XP mode - I doubt you could run any game in it.
Window's 7 "XP Mode" is basically VirtualPC and a bundled version of
Windows XP. You can actually replicate the same functionality yourself
by downloading VirtualPC free from Microsoft's website and using an XP
installation CD. It emulates a fairly lackluster machine with no 3D
acceleration. For very basic applications it is suitable, but for
games it is absolutely worthless; any modern game will want 3D
acceleration and for any older games you are probably better off
running the game under DOSBox.
To add insult to injury, VirtualPC won't run if your CPU does not
support hardware-accelerated virtualization (all modern AMD chips but
Intel has disabled this feature in some of their chips).
The free "VirtualBox" using an XP image is a better choice than Window
7's touted "XP Mode"; it's free (the virtualization software is, and
c'mon, who doesn't have a spare XP CD lying around somewhere?), it
runs on more hardware and even has limited 3D acceleration.
Ross Ridge
>Window's 7 "XP Mode" is basically VirtualPC and a bundled version of
>Windows XP. You can actually replicate the same functionality yourself
>by downloading VirtualPC free from Microsoft's website and using an XP
>installation CD.
Not really. Windows 7's XP mode integrates the VM sleemlessly with
Windows, and includes an XP licence.
>The free "VirtualBox" using an XP image is a better choice than Window
>7's touted "XP Mode"; it's free (the virtualization software is, and
>c'mon, who doesn't have a spare XP CD lying around somewhere?), it
>runs on more hardware and even has limited 3D acceleration.
Aside from that fact that it also doesn't have the seemless integration
or XP license, it also doesn't support full Soundblaster emulation
(no OPL FM synth). That makes it pretty much useless for running old
MS-DOS games, which is what we were talking about.
Spalls Hurgenson
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Window's 7 "XP Mode" is basically VirtualPC and a bundled version of
>>Windows XP. You can actually replicate the same functionality yourself
>>by downloading VirtualPC free from Microsoft's website and using an XP
>>installation CD.
>
>Not really. Windows 7's XP mode integrates the VM sleemlessly with
>Windows, and includes an XP licence.
>
>>The free "VirtualBox" using an XP image is a better choice than Window
>>7's touted "XP Mode"; it's free (the virtualization software is, and
>>c'mon, who doesn't have a spare XP CD lying around somewhere?), it
>>runs on more hardware and even has limited 3D acceleration.
>
>Aside from that fact that it also doesn't have the seemless integration
>or XP license, it also doesn't support full Soundblaster emulation
>(no OPL FM synth). That makes it pretty much useless for running old
>MS-DOS games, which is what we were talking about.
For DOS games, "XP Mode" isn't particularly useful either. After all,
DOS games don't work too well with XP running directly on the
hardware, much less shimmed into Win7 through virtualization. If your
goal is to run DOS games, skip XP Mode entirely and use DOSBox.
XP Mode is designed for running Win95/2K/XP applications that don't
like the new Windows7 environment... except, you know, any that
require any sort of modern video hardware (e.g., games).
Angus
rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
>
> Angus <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Hey, I ran Mechwarrior 1 on my Amiga using pc emulation a while back -
> >cool game in my opinion.
> >
> >We never had a 3D mech game y'see.
>
> You mean BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception? Yah, that was pretty
> good game too. I remember playing the C64 version way back when.
>
Right, that was the 2D game wasn't it? But I emulared a low end pc on my
Amiga so I could play the first (3D) Mechwarrior game.
Other than that it was Steel Empire/Cyber Empires which was great, but
top-down 2D.
Gerry Quinn
24b14c...@l25g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, just...@gmail.com says...
> > > Populous
>
> > never tried it,
>
> Awesome game, doesn't really hold up so well though. I remember back
> when everyone I knew was playing it.
Lost interest in this half way through, but the sequel Populous II kept
me interested to the end. I've always been surprised that there has
been no indie clone of this theme.
> > > Dungeon Keeper,
>
> > never tried it,
>
> Wow, this was really one of the best, probably the best RTS I've ever
> played. I played it again recently, The graphics are aging a bit, but
> still plays well. I recommend trying it.
I gave this up soon as I felt there was no real strategic challenge.
- Gerry Quinn
Justisaur
> In article <2bef93cf-4e21-4cc3-a251-
> 24b14cecf...@l25g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, justis...@gmail.com says...
>
> > > > Populous
>
> > > never tried it,
>
> > Awesome game, doesn't really hold up so well though. I remember back
> > when everyone I knew was playing it.
>
> Lost interest in this half way through, but the sequel Populous II kept
> me interested to the end. I've always been surprised that there has
> been no indie clone of this theme.
I got stuck about half way through. It's a long long long game....
Pop II was much shorter, which I finished as well, a few times.
- Justisaur