If you didnt get Daggerfall at CompUSA .. then you have been screwed !
Jimmy Mac
CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
department !
Jimmy Mac
Zarkee
On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:42:06 GMT, grea...@voicenet.com (Jimmy Mac)
wrote:
your WEAK bullshit story...get back to your Mario Bros game, mothers
calling...
Joe Lisch
grea...@voicenet.com (Jimmy Mac) writes:
>
>CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
>on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
>be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
>really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
>fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>department !
>
>Jimmy Mac
If enough people bitch Bethesda can release a patch with the additional
quests.
Jadefox
joe...@ix.netcom.com(Joe Lisch) wrote:
Is it true that there are more quests and artificates? Maybe it is
just an advertising method. See, I got from CompUSA and my friend got
from pre order. The file size are exactly the same.
-jadefox
Jason Spangler
Jimmy Mac (grea...@voicenet.com) wrote:
: CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
: on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
: artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
: be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
: advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
: really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
: have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
: fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
: department !
They probably just had the world generator make a few extra random
quests and items. :)
P.S. I like the game (even on my 486/66). It feels like Arena but much
better.
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Jimmy Mac (grea...@voicenet.com) wrote:
> CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
> on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
> artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
> be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
> advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
You're wrong. A few years ago EB had a deal with Impressions to package
Detroit and D-Day with special videos and sold them in stores. This
"special edition" was only available at EB, so by your reasoning we
should be able to sue Impressions because of Detroit packaging. I don't
think so.
Basically a publisher can release any kind of edition they want--they can
sign a deal for a store to release a differently-styled edition if they
pay enough.
Besides, YOU are the person who bought it at CompUSA.. now you want to
sue them? Did it cost you any more?
> really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
> have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
> fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
> department !
I think the PR department is part of the selling of special editions in
the first place. So yes, they do have a good PR department :)
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Lord Gek
Hey All of You CompUSA Buyers,
What is the version number on your "enhanced" CDs. I have to admit
this is sounding a bit fishy. Since a lot of these quests are randomized
dealies within a fixed structure, what does it mean to have more quests?
I assume this would be more potential templates to choose from but unless
you actually got into the code or check file sizes, as Joe has, how could
one ever be sure they're really getting more stuff?
I also find it weird that such a potentially huge marketing ploy is
going on in such a quiet manner. Betheda's Web Page never mentioned
this, CompUSA's Web Page doesn't even have a listing for Daggerfall and
all of the actual employees of CompUSA I've asked about this have no idea
what I'm talking about (DF evidently hasn't made it to CompUSA stores
yet in Northern California as of Saturday) or even when it's expected in.
What's the Deal?
Tim "Lord Gek" Jordan
Ken Rice
In article <524fbq$8...@gnews2.voicenet.com>, grea...@voicenet.com says...
>CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
<on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
<be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
<really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
<fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>department !
A few years ago, Egghead and Electronics Boutique both had "special"
versions of Lemmings with an exclusive level.
Ken
Nick Vekin
In article <324cf9e6...@news.gte.net>, big...@stuffit.com says...
>>on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
>>be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
>>really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
>>fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>>department !
>>
>>
>>
>OH Troll, Oh Troll, do really think any person is going to beleive
>your WEAK bullshit story...get back to your Mario Bros game, mothers
>calling...
Its true...my CD sez so too...
Steven_Moy
You loser, it's true!
Keeper of Time
kr...@wizard.net (Ken Rice) wrote:
>In article <524fbq$8...@gnews2.voicenet.com>, grea...@voicenet.com says...
>>CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
><on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
><be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
><really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
><fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>>department !
<<SNIP>>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal for Bethesda to do that?
Especially when the people who pre-ordered the LE (of which I am not
one of them) don't get the extra perks? It seems they's better have a
patch or something for the rest of the people who didn't even know
about this little quirk.
Lord Gek
In article <527f1j$n...@lanshark.lanminds.com>, Nve...@mit.edu says...
>
>In article <324cf9e6...@news.gte.net>, big...@stuffit.com says...
>>
>>On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:42:06 GMT, grea...@voicenet.com (Jimmy Mac)
>>wrote:
>>>on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>>>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
>>>be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>>>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
>>>really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>>>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
>>>fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>>>department !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>OH Troll, Oh Troll, do really think any person is going to beleive
>>your WEAK bullshit story...get back to your Mario Bros game, mothers
>>calling...
>
>
>
It be true although the difference is hardly detectable by comparing
files. The CompUSA version has about 16 more .qbn files which are
somehow related to the quests and take up at most another 50-100K.
Staying in the know,
Tim "Lord Gek" Jordan
Jimmy Mac
The version numbers are the same, they must have changed some data
files are and my friend received E-Mail from Bethesda saying that in
the CompUSA version there are 2 addtional Atrifacts and dozens more
Quests. They went on to say that the addition stuff in question will
be released on the Interent in 1 to 2 months
JImmy MAc
Jimmy Mac
big...@stuffit.com ( Zarkee) wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:42:06 GMT, grea...@voicenet.com (Jimmy Mac)
>wrote:
>>CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
>>on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
>>be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
>>really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
>>fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>>department !
>>
>>Jimmy Mac
>>
>>
>OH Troll, Oh Troll, do really think any person is going to beleive
>your WEAK bullshit story...get back to your Mario Bros game, mothers
>calling...
Maybe you should check out your facts before you accuse other people
of lying .. it is people like you who give the internet a bad
reputation !
Jimmy Mac
Joshua Io
Nve...@mit.edu (Nick Vekin) wrote:
>>>CompUSA has a special version of Daggefall (I own it) it is imprinted
>>>on the CD Rom as a CompUSA Exclusive. You get more Quests and more
>>>artifacts that the regular version. I personally think Bethesda will
>>>be sued because I think it is against the law to give an un-fair
>>>advantage to a software retailer (I could be wrong though). I feel
>>>really bad for the people who pre-ordered the game... if anyone should
>>>have gotten an enhanced version, it would be them. Bethesda is
>>>fucking people left and right .. they had better have a great PR
>>>department !
>>OH Troll, Oh Troll, do really think any person is going to beleive
>>your WEAK bullshit story...get back to your Mario Bros game, mothers
>>calling...
>Its true...my CD sez so too...
Whether or not the CD exists, under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, it is
illegal for suppliers to provide unfair advantages to individual
retailers. It also may be a violation of the particular state's
Uniform Commercial Code (and other consumer protection statutes).
All that said, good luck getting anyone in this day and age to bring
such a suit. We live in a time when the love of money is good--and
generally sufficient reason to screw the consumer.
And yes I'm a lawyer.
Dick Jarvinen
>All that said, good luck getting anyone in this day and age to bring
>such a suit. We live in a time when the love of money is good--and
>generally sufficient reason to screw the consumer.
>
>And yes I'm a lawyer.
Oh... Sorry about about all the lawyer jokes. But I did change one back to a
politician.
Dick
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Thomas Harris
In article <3249498c...@news.tiac.net>
po...@tiac.net (Joshua Io) writes:
>
> Whether or not the CD exists, under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, it is
> illegal for suppliers to provide unfair advantages to individual
> retailers. It also may be a violation of the particular state's
> Uniform Commercial Code (and other consumer protection statutes).
>
> All that said, good luck getting anyone in this day and age to bring
> such a suit. We live in a time when the love of money is good--and
> generally sufficient reason to screw the consumer.
>
> And yes I'm a lawyer.
What about joint special promotions? I suspect Bethesda apporached
their distributers with an offer to make "special editions" (AT A
PRICE) which include a few extra quests and items. CompUSA took up the
offer and others didn't. Im sure Bethesda doesn't have any special love
for CompUSA, they wouldn't be foolish enough to alienate there other
distributers, however if they offered others the chance to have special
quests and items and the others didn't feel it would be worth the extra
cost well that the others distributers fault not NOT Bethesdas.
James McCarty
Special promotions are done all the time. I have seen versions of CD's
with extra booklets or even extra tracks. Manufacturers often make a
slightly modified version of a product in exchange for a very large order.
If fact all of the excitement we have created while waiting for DF
probably helped fuel the CompUSA version. Some fairly market savvy buyer
at CompUSA realized the demand for DF, went to his/her boss and said "We'll
sell a bunch of these suckers, but you know if we go to Bethesda and offer
to double or triple our order, they might throw in a few extra features
that we can push and sell even more of them." Now Bethesda has been
overdue bring DF out and their costs are mounting, a customer offers to
double or triple an already large order for a minimal amount of work on
their part. You can bet your ass that Bethesda jumped at the deal. This is
free market capialism at its best...........
Joshua Io
jmcc...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (James McCarty) wrote:
Unfortunately a vertical restraint of trade is a per se violation of
the Sherman Anti-trust Act. The problem is not with "extra booklets",
but that those "booklets" are available only through one retailer. If
they were available everywhere, if consumers wanted to spend the
money, they wouldn't be illegal.
I wouldn't be surprised, however, if the tie-in happened somewhat
similarly to how you describe. (Note the failure to consult a lawyer
about it.)
kirin
They should add those extra artifacts and quests with the first bug
patch. Good game with definite potential for greatness if bugs and
features are fixed otherwise it'll soon go the way of Outpost and
Darklands...
Michael Cecil
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:53:38 GMT, po...@tiac.net (Joshua Io) wrote:
>
>Unfortunately a vertical restraint of trade is a per se violation of
>the Sherman Anti-trust Act. The problem is not with "extra booklets",
>but that those "booklets" are available only through one retailer. If
>they were available everywhere, if consumers wanted to spend the
>money, they wouldn't be illegal.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised, however, if the tie-in happened somewhat
>similarly to how you describe. (Note the failure to consult a lawyer
>about it.)
didn't promote it at all. I bought my copy there and didn't even
notice the imprint on the CD until I was reading through this
newsgroup (because of the buggy and unrefined nature of DF).
Michael Cecil
mce...@cyberramp.net
The Polychromic Dragon of the -=[UDIC]=-
James McCarty
Everyone thinks this is a new deal.... It is not. It happens all the time
from the special "two for a special price" packaging at the grocery store
to electronics. Have you ever noticed an add from a large retailer that
lists some item and the model number doesn't show in the manufacturer's
literature??? Special models just for that retailer in exchange for a
large order. Hell there is even a large car dealer here in Columbus that
occasionally has a special vehicle from the factory in the form of a
special paint job and hobcaps. You can only get it from the dealer. I
remember in college a whole term spent discussing "margin" accounting and
the economics behind making these speicial deals.
The bottom line is that people are just PO'ed because they didn't know
COMPUSA would have a special and they didn't get it. There is nothing
illegal going on here.
Joshua Io
mce...@cyberramp.net (Michael Cecil) wrote:
Eh, probably not so strange. A big company w/resultant bureaucracy.
Probably somewhere within it are memos & publicity flyers that have
gotten snagged in the pipeline.
And, anyhow, one of the quests that someone mentioned isn't so
impressive. It sounds like a gimmick. And, as someone else said, if
a product is faulty, who cares if someone else sells it w/more options
which can be faulty?
Still, if the company engaged in an illegal practice, it merely
demonstrated again, as if the purchasers of the game needed any
further evidence, that it didn't seem to have anyone particularly
adept overseeing the release of Daggerfall.
I went to the web site and read the note that Bethesda left; it still
didn't answer the question of why the company released such a poorly
completed product to the marketplace.
Terry L. Cowart
Joshua Io (po...@tiac.net) wrote:
: mce...@cyberramp.net (Michael Cecil) wrote:
:
: >On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:53:38 GMT, po...@tiac.net (Joshua Io) wrote:
: I went to the web site and read the note that Bethesda left; it still
: didn't answer the question of why the company released such a poorly
: completed product to the marketplace.
And again, I will point out that there are MANY, MANY of us are too busy
playing the game to point out that THERE AREN'T THAT MANY BUGS. I have
had 2 crashes, ~5 'stuck in walls', and 1 logic bug. Over 50 hours of
play. Given the scope of the game, that isn't that bad.
Ignore the naysayers. Use a nice, clean configuration, a really
(certified) compatible machine, run the game, save often, have fun....
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J.Amenta
I too would like to report that this game is not that *buggy*. The
worst aspect of the game is the wierd interface. But you get use
to it. And it's nothing to complain given the gameplay itself.
John
Pleasant Hill, CA.
Atsushi Kanamori
In article <52l374$3...@vnetnews.value.net>, J.Amenta <ame...@value.net> wrote:
> I too would like to report that this game is not that *buggy*.
Not to pick on you in particular, but it's worth pointing out that
I don't believe endorsements like this unless the person making
it can claim that:
1. They've finished the game at least once (seems no one
has, given the size of this game - not to mention all
the continuity bugs that are aborting games.)
and
2. They did so without having to reload a saved game more recent
than the latest one because of bug that made it impossible
to continue with the current saved game.
I've seen too many games now that look great and stable for
the first 60% only to sink into a quagmire of bugs, or a drought
of ideas after that.
(Based on the postings here, DF doesn't even seem to pass the
first 60% criterion.)
Tim Chown
Hey, Darklands is good now (at patch 7 or so ... :-)
tim