Top 10 crpg's of all time?
Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D.
of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
Thnx
Eric VanHeest
> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
Do you honestly not care about relative quality of video/audio/etc with
regard to current games (as in, would Ultima 7 and Wasteland fit the
bill, or are you looking more for Planescape and Fallout?)
Wtcher Dragon
Planescape Torment should go on the list too.
*ponders* Daggerfall, some people love it and others really hate it.
It's the most 'free' game I've ever seen, and the character creator is
the most entertaining I've bumped into, but it has no NPC interaction or
story to speak of.
Betrayal at Krondor was excellent.. freeware too, these days, but the CD
enhanced version has proper soundtracks.
*ponders* I remember Wasteland being quite good...perhaps a bit old
though. The Fallouts are its sucessors.
BGII if you don't have it.
I dunno if they qualify for best of all time, but the Ultima
Underworlds are quite nice as well... of course, I'm probably a bit
biased ;)
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"Spread your tiny wings and fly away..." -Anne Murray
Warren Powell
<3AD26C2B...@yahoo.com>:
For want of a better use of my time, here is my "Top ten":
1. Deus Ex - This game just kicks ass. Buy it now!
2. Worlds of Ultima (Savage Empire and Martian Dreams) - Different from the
normal Ultima series and using the Ultima 6 engine, a very diffrent look at
some classic CRPGs
3. System Shock 1 & 2 - Play them with the lights out :-)
4. Might and Magic 6, 7 and 8 - Pretty involved and takes a loooong time
5. Thief 1 & 2 - Okay so its an FPS, but WHAT and FPS :-)
6. Bards tale 3 - This was one of the best oldies that you probably get
from and abandon warez site (like http://www.abandongames.com/)
7. Ultima Underworld 2 - Can you say "Atmosphere"
8. Darkstone - Forget Diablo, this is a clickfest tour-de-force with
brilliant multiplayer and a full on 3d engine
9. Fallout 1 & 2 - Brilliant - both of them
10. ADOM (Ancient Domains of Mystery) - Freeware Nethack clone, but so deep
you'll need an articulated digger to get yourself out of it
And pick of the bunch is Deus Ex (go Warren Spector!)
Chris Simpson
1 Ultima IV
2 Ultima V
3 Ultima III
4 Baldor's Gate I
5 Baldor's Gate II
6 Might and Magic VI
7 Might and Magic VII
8 Might and Magic VIII
9 Ice Wind Dale
10 Bard's Tale II
Last two years:
1 Baldor's Gate I
2 Baldor's Gate II
3 Might and Magic VI
4 Might and Magic VII
5 Ice Wind Dale
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JWB
1) Fallout (by far)
2) Baldur's Gate 2 (the NPC's were too cool)
3) The Dark Queen of Krynn (one of the gold box games - has first person
explore view, and switches to 3/4 isometric for tactical combat. A great
idea.)
4) Planescape (don't need to say much about this. You all know ;)
5) Daggerfall (I *really* liked it for awhile, then got bored when I slowly
realized I was alone in the world)
6) Fallout 2 (great game. Not quite as good as 1, but still fun)
7) System Shock 1&2 (especially 2... creepy)
8) Thief (it's not really an RPG in where you gain levels, but this is a
game where you *really* play the character. Role Playing. Fairly non-linear
missions, too)
9) Wasteland (really dated. i don't know how much fun I'd have with this
now, but from what I remember, it was really good)
10) Icewind Dale (plays like an old module.)
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Grimfarrow
"Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D." wrote:
> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
My picks:
1. Wizardry: Crusaders of the Dark Savant
2. Ultima IV
3. Betrayal at Krondor
4. Ultima Underworld
5. Wasteland
6. Planescape: Torment
7. Eye of the Beholder II
8. Ultima VII: The Black Gate
9. Dungeon Master
10. Fallout
Quasi-RPGs
1. Starflight 2
2. Autoduel
3. Quest for Glory: So You Want to Be a Hero?
4. System Shock 2
6. Jagged Alliance 2
7. Faery Tale Adventures
8. Zeliard
Grimfarrow
Jesse LeFort
Fallout 1/2
Planescape Torment
Deus Ex
Baldur's Gate 2
Ultima 7
Ultima 4
Wasteland
Everquest
Might & Magic 4/5
Wizardry 7
Jesse
Kevin
"Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D." wrote:
top 10 of all time(in no particular order)
Rings of Zilfin!(probably one of the most forgetten of rpg's.)
Ultima 1
Wizards Crown
Wizardry 7
Legacy of the Ancients(or if questron was first I'd say questron)(time
makes me forget)
Wastelands
Pools of radiance
The Bards Tale
Sentinal Worlds
Ultima Underworlds
I think all 10 of these games were groun breaking in thier own ways,
also I haven't seen an rpg come out since all of these that had anything
in it that wasn't taken from one of these 10 game. (exept possibly Elder
scrolls: Arena).(heh but only 10 could make the list).
Top 5 for the last 2 years... hrrm there's only been 5 hasn't there?
mtkafka
Grimfarrow wrote:
>
> 2. Autoduel
Autoduel was cool. I remember playing the car crash arena battles for a
long time when i was a kid. an Origin game too!
mtkafka
"Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D." wrote:
uhm my top 10 of all time (nostalgia speaking)
1 wizardry 1
2 ultima 3
3 ultima 6
4 ultima 4
5 ultima 7
6 wizardry 6
7 wizardry 7
8 might and magic 3
9 might and magic Xeen game
10 daggerfall
whatever...im just reminiscing dont mind me
oh and the last 2 years
1 ff7 (pc version)
2 fallout 2
3 bg2
4 pst
5 fallout 1
SS2 is my favorite game of all time, but i really dont consider it an
rpg...still though, get it if you dont have it. also, i forgot the action
rpgs....the diablos.... diablo 1 I place over diablo 2 only because of
diffculty and the feeling of accomplishment with finding items (without
hacks of course). ...uhm just my list is all..theres alot of good games to
get. also, remembering is much better then actually playing...i recently
replayed parts of wizardry 5 again...wow what an imagination did in those
days....lines as walls n all.
etc
Jochen Heistermann
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
Ultima 7 (Black Gate and Serpent Isle)
Planescape Torment
Fallout 1&2
Baldurs Gate 2
Ultima Underworld 1&2
Might and Magic 6
Ultima Ascension
Jochen
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Knut Arild Erstad
: I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
: of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
1. Ultima Underworld 1/2
2. Ultima 7/7.5
3. Deus Ex
4. Planescape: Torment
5. System Shock
6. Ultima 6
7. Betrayal at Krondor
8. Baldur's Gate 2
9. Fallout
10. Worlds of Ultima: Martian Dreams
: Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
1. Deus Ex
2. Planescape: Torment
3. Baldur's Gate 2
4. Soulbringer
5. System Shock 2
Hmm... some of those might be more than two years old, I'm not sure.
--
Knut Arild Erstad
But if less is more, then just think how much more more will be.
-- from "Frasier"
Marius Semmling
2. Wizardry 7
3. The Eternal Dagger (really old)
4. Fallout 1
5. Ultima 7
6. Baldurs Gate 2
7. Gothic
8. System Shock 2
9. Cybermage
10. Dungeon Master I
ah, i dont remember most rpgs *sniff*
Some good action/rpg games are:
Diablo I
NOX
Revenant (hmm, nice combat)
Filip van den Bergh
Filip
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Olaf
with the games. Call me shallow, but most of these I wouldnt play today,
as the graphics, interfaces, what have you, have made such impressive
leaps, that it would take away from the game.
Bards Tale I
Great game, finally wizardry on the C64. II and III were ok.
Buck Rogers gold box
I dont know why this sticks out, but I had a lot of fun with it. Not too
many sci-fi themed CRPGS. Most of the gold box games were good. Tactical
combat before it was the in-thing for CRPGs.
Starflight
Not solely a CRPG, but awesome.
Wasteland
Terrific. Probably the best I have ever played.
Fallout
Great spiritual sequel. FO2, great game, bugs in initial version killed my
sessin however, I never finished it.
Wizards Crown
Nice, detailed game. The sequel was tedious.
Phantasie series
SSI had some great CRPGs on the C64. This series was fun.
olaf
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Fomar
No particular order. I'd never be able to rank these other than place
them in a top ten :)
1) Daggerfall
2) Deus Ex
3) Betrayal at Krondor
4) Realms of Arkania: Star Trail
5) Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
6) Final Fantasy VII (ok, played it on the PSX but still...)
7) Chrono Cross (again PSX but to damn good not to list)
8) Stone Prophet (hack n' slash but man I loved this one for some reason)
9) Fallout 1
10) Fallout 2
For contrast and warning I'm also listing my biggest disappointments:
1) Return to Krondor
2) Betrayal at Antara(sp?)
3) Ultima IX
4) VtM: Redemption (big let down; this one could have been great)
And thats all I got to say about that,
Fomar
Robert Huston
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
Top 10:
1. Wizardry 7 (Crusaders of the Dark Savant)
2. Ultima 7/7.5
3. Betrayal at Krondor (free download available)
4. Might & Magic 3
5. Planescape Torment
6. Might & Magic 4/5 (together - the World of Xeen)
7. Baldur's Gate
8. Baldur's Gate 2
9. Eye of the Beholder 2
10. Might & Magic 6
Regards,
Bob
J.S.
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
Well, for the top5-10 of the last few years I'd say:
Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 (1 is good but 2 is much better)
Fallout 1 + 2
Planescape Torment (tough to get into the story at times I think tho)
Deus Ex (well, RPG/FPS combo?)
Icewind Dale (just a dungeon crawl that uses the BG engine but fun)
System Shock 2 (ahh Shodan..)
J.S.
someone
$10.
Al
Chris Simpson
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> BTW, Best Buy sells Planescape: Torment - Might& Magic VII bundle for just
> $10.
Thats a good deal..
Robert Sanderson
definetly include Baulders Gate 1 and 2, Darklands, Fallout 1 and 2.
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> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
Wizardry! and all associated addons
Bard's Tale 1-3
Pool of Radiance (hell, just throw in the whole Gold Box series for the most
part)
That should be about ten or so, shouldn't it?
Oh yeah, Baldur's Gate and Diablo (although Diablo is more of an action
game/Angband clone)
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Cabel Blacke
> No particular order. I'd never be able to rank these other than place
> them in a top ten :)
>
> 1) Daggerfall
> 2) Deus Ex
> 3) Betrayal at Krondor
> 4) Realms of Arkania: Star Trail
> 5) Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
> 6) Final Fantasy VII (ok, played it on the PSX but still...)
> 7) Chrono Cross (again PSX but to damn good not to list)
> 8) Stone Prophet (hack n' slash but man I loved this one for some reason)
> 9) Fallout 1
> 10) Fallout 2
heh,...except for the PSX games, your list is the same as mine. I agree
"Stone Prophet" was a HIGHLY underrated game. I loved the whole Egyptian
pyramid thing. Walking around in the desert. Felt kind of a like Lawrence of
Arabia or something, always running out of water, always thirsty. Very cool.
The only change I'd make to your list would be to add "Planescape" in there
somewhere. For sheer quality of dialog/characterizations, it is superior to
any CRPG out there.
>
> For contrast and warning I'm also listing my biggest disappointments:
>
> 1) Return to Krondor
> 2) Betrayal at Antara(sp?)
> 3) Ultima IX
> 4) VtM: Redemption (big let down; this one could have been great)
Return to Krondor was bad, but not as bad as Ultima IX or Antara. It was
just way too short, an unfinished game really. Whereas Antara and UIX just
plain sucked eggs.
--CB
Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D.
willing to play an old game if it was worth the effort of setting it
up. I guess I'm primarily interested in newer games.
Augustus
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> Well, the 2nd part of my question sort of addresses that issue. I'd be
> willing to play an old game if it was worth the effort of setting it
> up. I guess I'm primarily interested in newer games.
This is kinda why I didn't reply to your posting the first time around...
though some of the old games were great when they were brand new, they are
kinda lacking these many years later.
played some good ones over the years... Ultima 4 and 5, the gold box games,
wasteland, legacy of the ancients, phantasie 2 and 3... but by todays
standards (or even standards 10 years old) they are just too archaic too
lacking.
But as well, as good as some games were, it was the computer they were on
that was what helped it out too... take Bard's Tale 2 and 3... both had
really great music and sounds on the Commodore 64... and the graphics were
pretty decent back then... then you look at the IBM version... 4 colours for
BT2, 16 (IIRC) for BT3... and the great musical scores were reduced to a
series of annoying beeps and blips.
Though there were some great memories, sometimes its best to leave them
there... to the start of the pentium era is about as far back as I'd go
nowadays.
Augustus
portia_EH
*PC ( least to most favorite )
10 - IceWind Dale
9 - Ultima Underworld
8 - Eye of The Beholder 2
7 - Lands of Lore
6 - Might&Magic 4/5 (Worlds of Xeen)
5 - Baldur's Gate (haven't finished BG2)
4 - Betrayal At Krondor
3 - Fallout
2 - Wizardry 7
1 - DaggerFall
*extended rpg genre, PC
3 - Dues Ex
2 - Diablo 1/2
1 - Star Control 2
*console
6 - Vagrant Story [psx]
5 - Final Fantasy 7 [psx]
4 - Final Fantasy 2 (4 in Japan) [snes]
3 - Phantasy Star II [sega genesis]
2 - Shining In The Darkness [sega genesis]
1 - Lufia 2: Rise of The Sinistrals [snes]
*extended rpg genre, console
3 - Tactics Ogre [psx]
2 - Shining Force [sega genesis]
1 - Final Fantasy Tactics [psx]
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1. Planescape: Torment
2. BG2
3. FallOut 2
4. Ultima IV
5. Deus Ex
6. JA2
7. Diablo
Hm... last year I can fill 10 games. This year I can only fill 7. I
supposed my mindset is changed.
Grimfarrow
mtkafka wrote:
Same with me. Boy, I wish someone would do a
remake of the game with 3D graphics. I'd buy it
in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, that was back when
Origin *made* good games (well, not all were great,
but many were). Now they don't even exist.
Grimfarrow
James Garvin
> Same with me. Boy, I wish someone would do a
> remake of the game with 3D graphics. I'd buy it
> in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, that was back when
> Origin *made* good games (well, not all were great,
> but many were). Now they don't even exist.
You know...Autodual would be way too cool now...Anybody remember the game
Space Dog (I think it was called) for the Atari (computer that is)? What a
great game...needs a remake...
Aren't they remaking Star Flight? Do they have a web address?
--
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bo...@nmt.edu
Alt-X
Wizardry: Crusaders of the Dark Savant
System Shock 1.
Lands of Lore 1.
M&M 7
BG2
Betrail at Kondor (cd)
Deus Ex
Olaf
done by someone like BIS, would be a smash hit.
olaf
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Ebonio
Could you be referring to Sun Dog? I remember playing that on my apple 2 . It was kinda
like a space trading game. You started on a planet where you had to make enough cash
trading commodities to build up(and/or repair) your space ship. You were represented by a
big dot on the screen and you could roam around the cities killing people with your laser
and stuff. Cool game.
James Garvin
> Could you be referring to Sun Dog? I remember playing that on my apple 2 . It was kinda
> like a space trading game. You started on a planet where you had to make enough cash
> trading commodities to build up(and/or repair) your space ship. You were represented by a
> big dot on the screen and you could roam around the cities killing people with your laser
> and stuff. Cool game.
YA!!! That one. I loved that game. Hrmm...Perhaps they would be
willing to release the source. Anybody remember who made it? I wonder
how hard an update to that game would be...
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Trash
1: Planescape Torment
Spent countless hours/days/weeks as the nameless, the best rpg ever!
2: Fallout
Great game, totally open ended and with the best "big boss" ever in a game,
great background story as well!
3: BG2
What can I say, suburb in almost any way. Shame about the many many many
mage duels though
4: Fallout2
Bigger than FO1, but near the end of the game it became a bit too unpolished
for me. Also way too much technology for a postapocalyptic world.
5: Ultima7
Extremely cool rpg that is defenitely one of my favourites. Unfortunately
the game was a bitch to get it to run on my old dos machine.
6: Buck Rogers: Countdown to doomsday
My first ever rpg that I ever played, great quests/missions and a real cool
background story. Sci-fi too! Especially the mission stolen from the alien
movie was cool.
7: System Shock
Very scary atmosphere and it felt very lonely to play this one. (everybody
you tried to meet was dead or turned into a cyborg) Great game to play in
the dark.
8: Starflight 2
A sci-fi rpg where you fly around in a universe where mankind is al but
extinct. Dispite this rather bleak background the game was filled with humor
(al the alien races had great lines) and was absolutely huge in scope
9: Dark Sun
Great rpg were you started out as slave gladioters, escaped and organised a
revolution. Had an interface that the bladur's gate games are definitely
based upon.
10: BG1
Despite endless wandering around still a very cool game. Bg2 is better
though.
Now all I need is arcanum, think that one will defenitly make a top 5
position :-)
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> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
>
>
> Thnx
Trash
Scrap bg1, darklands was much better...damn how could I forget
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Ebonio
>Ebonio wrote:
>
>> Could you be referring to Sun Dog? I remember playing that on my apple 2 . It was kinda
>> like a space trading game. You started on a planet where you had to make enough cash
>> trading commodities to build up(and/or repair) your space ship. You were represented by a
>> big dot on the screen and you could roam around the cities killing people with your laser
>> and stuff. Cool game.
>
>
>YA!!! That one. I loved that game. Hrmm...Perhaps they would be
>willing to release the source. Anybody remember who made it? I wonder
>how hard an update to that game would be...
That would definitly be cool . I know It's available for emulator use.
You can get an image of it here :
ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/games/rpg/sundog_version_1/
or
ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/games/rpg/sundog_version_2/
I don't think version 2 is sundog 2 but more like a different rom type , might be wrong
though.
While we're on the subject of retro games , one I would like to see a remake of would be
Rescue Raider. That game rocked.
ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/games/simulation/rescue_raiders.dsk.gz :)
Wtcher Dragon
Trash wrote:
> 5: Ultima7
> Extremely cool rpg that is defenitely one of my favourites. Unfortunately
> the game was a bitch to get it to run on my old dos machine.
Hmmm. Can be run in Windows 9x these days. And eventually, 2k as well.
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"Spread your tiny wings and fly away..." -Anne Murray
Paul Saunders
Is the gulf between them really that great? Most people who've listed
Fallout 2 have also included Fallout 1.
Paul
Paul Saunders
> > Could you be referring to Sun Dog?
> YA!!! That one. I loved that game. Hrmm...Perhaps they would be
> willing to release the source. Anybody remember who made it? I wonder
> how hard an update to that game would be...
Sundog: The Frozen Legacy. One of my favourite games too.
It was designed by Bruce Webster and Wayne Holder of FTL, who later designed
Dungeon Master. Check out this link, it'll bring back some memories;
http://www3.sympatico.ca/maury/games/space/SunDog.html
Paul
Ed Rutherford
> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
I can't give you a top 10 list but I'll tell you about some of my personal
favorites.
As for the OLD games I loved Ultima Underworld 1 & 2. I'm not really an
Ultima fan as such but these games IMHO put all other games of their time to
shame. I also like Might & Magic 3-5. The M&M series is weaker on RPG
elements but they are still considered classics. The previous games work
best under true DOS with a Sound Blaster compatible card. The M&M games are
a little clunky in both sound & graphics. The Underword titles are light
years ahead of the M&M games but are still "dated" (heck they're 8-10 years
old). I'd probably say that the UW titles aren't SO dated that they'd be
unplayable.
As for the more modern games I haven't played too many of those. I'd say
that Planescape: Torment is the leader with great RPG elements. MM7 is
decent but pales visually/RPG wise to Torment.
Knight37
>I've noticed that a lot of people have listed Baldur's Gate 2 but not BG1.
I enjoyed BG1, but it's pretty obvious that Bioware learned a LOT from what
BIS did with PST... I think it's worth playing, YMMV,OC.
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Dave Friend
>
>
>Trash wrote:
>
>> 5: Ultima7
>> Extremely cool rpg that is defenitely one of my favourites. Unfortunately
>> the game was a bitch to get it to run on my old dos machine.
>
>Hmmm. Can be run in Windows 9x these days. And eventually, 2k as well.
Linux too, if you get Exult (also lets you play it in a window in W9x if
that's your thing). Personally I wish they'd also roll in a proper
turn-based combat system so I can actually play the game, but what they've
done so far is pretty cool. :)
(Sorry I don't have the URL handy, a search for "ultima" and "exult" should
turn it up.)
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Htn963
>I've noticed that a lot of people have listed Baldur's Gate 2 but not BG1.
>
>Is the gulf between them really that great?
Heck, yes. BG2 is Oscar material, in terms of characterization, story,
Jaheira, etc., while BG1 is your slightly above average action flick. So
far, the only gamers who prefer BG1 to BG2 like its wide open spaces for
exploration -- BG2 is more focused and linear in this regard.
> Most people who've listed
>Fallout 2 have also included Fallout 1.
As I've said elsewhere, I personally think Fallout 2 was a disgrace to the
Fallout legacy. However, the concencus gap is definitely closer here than for
the Baldur's Gate series -- quite a few people (the ones who were more
fortunate in dealing with the bugs) prefer Fallout 2 to Fallout 1.
Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D.
many ways felt it was superior to F1. You mention bugs, but I didn't
find a lot? What do you mean?
Htn963 wrote:
snip
portia_EH
tainted an otherwise authentic fallout experience. Fallout 1 was the better
game between the two, even though there were game items that rather enjoyed
in Fallout2 (like the car, and the martial arts skills).
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Sami Kivela <lha7...@kyamk.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> htn...@cs.com (Htn963) wrote in
> <20010412175648...@ng-cd1.news.cs.com>:
> >ones who were more fortunate in dealing with the bugs) prefer
> >Fallout 2 to Fallout 1.
>
> I've only played the patched versions of those games, so I have never
> encountered any bugs that I can think of, but I still prefer FO1 over
> FO2 in many ways. While the NPC interface in FO2 is better, it has too
> many injokes, crap humour and non-gameworld references that started to
> irk me the second time through the game (like the Bridgekeeper,
> straight from Monty Python). FO1 is much more focused and offers better
> chances for suspension of disbelief.
>
> --
> Sami Kivelä
Scott P
<rtb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
>of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
>Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
>
>
>Thnx
All time:
1. The SSI Buck Rogers games
The were just Sci fi prots of the AD&D Gold box eries but I liked them
even more. some of my most fun gaming memories come from those games.
2. AD&D Gold Box Series
If someone could just update the graphics and use teh same engine
these did, it would be perfect.
3. Baldur's Gate
4. Fallout
5. Daggerfall
Scott
Eden R.
My personal Number 1: "Ultima IV" when you finished that baby you thought
you were an ACTUAL avatar
Notables: Wizardry - so engrossing and better puzzles them 90% of games in
the past two decades
Pool of Radiance - not great but fantastic to play DnD on
the computer first time OFFICIALLY
Wizards Crown - again not great but really interesting skill
system
Just in case you think I am stuck in the past "Planescape" would be just
below Ultima IV :)
Cheers
Eden
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Jason McCullough
BG I was an engine demo; II was an actual *game*. You know, with
varying strategies, a plot longer than one page, etc.
Jason McCullough
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Remove "blort" from the front of my email address to contact me.
DG
1. Ultima 7/7.5
2. Darklands (once all the patches were finished, this game was
incredible -- I've never been sucked in by a game as much as this)
3. BG2
4. Fallout 1+2 (played them back to back so it's diffficult for me to
separate them)
5. Ultima Martian Dreams/Savage Empire (I really liked the interface and
the worlds were extremely interesting)
6. Betrayal at Krondor
7. PS:Torment (I agree that the reading became a little excessive at times,
but the story was good)
8. Wizardry 1 (I could never play it now, but at the time I found it
phenomenal)
9. MM6
10. Ultima 5
This list also reminded me of games that I found the most difficult. The
winner for "most difficult game" (without a doubt) is Wizardry 4.
Cheers
DG
"Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D." <rtb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Htn963
>I'm curious as to what turned you off to F2?
I found the sloppiness ("Hey, Myron, wanna wreslte?"), crude adolescent
bathroom humor ("I need to get some mouthwash, they don't call him 'Dick' for
nothing."), and inane self-references ("You're gonna die for not making your
roll") quite a turnoff from the moving and _mature_ experience that was F1.
> I really liked it & in
>many ways felt it was superior to F1.
Well it was bigger, longer, and had more quests, certainly. And let me
guess, you played F2 before F1, right? I found that those who played F2 first
weren't hampered by their preconception of what a true sequal to Fallout should
be -- perhaps a good thing, who knows?
> You mention bugs, but I didn't
>find a lot? What do you mean?
It's been a very long time since I played it, and my irritation lasts
longer than my memory, but I do recall losing my car three separate times at
various places, even after installing the patch, and they never issued a fix
for the occurrences of inventories placed behind the car being out of sight
and irretrievable. There were a bunch of other minor bugs that taken
separately, I wouldn't mind, but collectively, showed all too clearly then that
Interplay rushed F2 out the door so they could concentrate on Baldur's Gate.
In fact, I was so pissed at their ruining my Fallout memory then that I
boycotted Interplay products for a year (which I noted in another thread
here), until I succumbed to Planescape Torment, then BG1, and ultimately, BG2,
which is my favorite crpg so far (with Fallout being next.)
Htn963
>I still prefer FO1 over
>FO2 in many ways. While the NPC interface in FO2 is better, it has too
>many injokes, crap humour and non-gameworld references that started to
>irk me the second time through the game (like the Bridgekeeper,
>straight from Monty Python). FO1 is much more focused and offers better
>chances for suspension of disbelief.
Well said -- my sentiments exactly. I found the Bridgekeeper one of
the more tolerable references, though -- at least that lightweight
robe-armor was very useful. What I really, really, really hated was going into
the Cafe of Broken Dream to be reunited with my beloved pooch from F1, Dogmeat
and encountering all those floating wisecracks about people trying to keep him
alive in the mutant base in the prior game. Talk about destroying an emotional
moment I had looked forward too and ruining suspension of disbelief! It seemed
adults made F1, then allowed their smart-aleck teenage brats to take over in
F2.
SirKel
old school fun at its best.
"Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D." <rtb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, the 2nd part of my question sort of addresses that issue. I'd be
> willing to play an old game if it was worth the effort of setting it
> up. I guess I'm primarily interested in newer games.
>
> Eric VanHeest wrote:
> >
> > Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D. <rtb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> > > of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
> >
> > Do you honestly not care about relative quality of video/audio/etc with
> > regard to current games (as in, would Ultima 7 and Wasteland fit the
> > bill, or are you looking more for Planescape and Fallout?)
Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D.
>
> Robert Bohnenberger D.M.D. wrote:
>
> >I'm curious as to what turned you off to F2?
>
> I found the sloppiness ("Hey, Myron, wanna wreslte?"), crude adolescent
> bathroom humor ("I need to get some mouthwash, they don't call him 'Dick' for
> nothing."), and inane self-references ("You're gonna die for not making your
> roll") quite a turnoff from the moving and _mature_ experience that was F1.
I can forgive sloppiness in small amounts. I didn't notice it too
much. I liked the inane stuff. I got a real sense of a jaded
development team trying hard to amuse themselves.
> > I really liked it & in
> >many ways felt it was superior to F1.
>
> Well it was bigger, longer, and had more quests, certainly. And let me
> guess, you played F2 before F1, right? I found that those who played F2 first
> weren't hampered by their preconception of what a true sequal to Fallout should
> be -- perhaps a good thing, who knows?
No, I played F1 first. The interface changes alone were a big
improvement. As far as the story, I liked seeing things lighten up a
bit. F1 played it straight, but the millions of pop culture references
made F2 more fun. "Serious" is sometime too hard to maintain. There was
a spy novel (Can't' recall who wrote it-LeCarre?) about a plot to kidnap
the pope. The guy said he couldn't keep a straight face as the plot was
so far out, so he wrote a parody of his own work.
> > You mention bugs, but I didn't
> >find a lot? What do you mean?
>
> It's been a very long time since I played it, and my irritation lasts
> longer than my memory, but I do recall losing my car three separate times at
> various places, even after installing the patch, and they never issued a fix
> for the occurrences of inventories placed behind the car being out of sight
> and irretrievable. There were a bunch of other minor bugs that taken
> separately, I wouldn't mind, but collectively, showed all too clearly then that
> Interplay rushed F2 out the door so they could concentrate on Baldur's Gate.
I never had a problem losing the car or inventory. ??? There may have
been some minor stuff, but I can't recall anything.
> In fact, I was so pissed at their ruining my Fallout memory then that I
> boycotted Interplay products for a year (which I noted in another thread
> here), until I succumbed to Planescape Torment, then BG1, and ultimately, BG2,
> which is my favorite crpg so far (with Fallout being next.)
I actually wasn't that enthralled with planescape. I never finished in
part because it seemed like I never would. I'm replaying it now to see
what I missed. BG 2 seems to be people's favorite, but I won't buy it
until the price comes down-unfortunately it may not if it stays
popular-the bastards are still asking $30 for half-life for crying out
loud.
Ykalon Dragon
>
There were a bunch of other minor bugs that taken
> separately, I wouldn't mind, but collectively, showed all too clearly then that
> Interplay rushed F2 out the door so they could concentrate on Baldur's Gate.
>
Sorry but that's not true. Bioware did BG all by themselves. Interplay
(or more correctly their RPG publishing arm Black Isle) just did
the QA (after Bioware already had done it themselves), hired the voice
talents and published it.
Ykalon Dragon
Speaking of Dogmeat did anyone manage to keep him alive through the
game?
Eric VanHeest
> Speaking of Dogmeat did anyone manage to keep him alive through the
> game?
Yes.
Sandra Linkletter
Daggerfall comes up in your conversation. What's it been now, 5 years
since Bethesda refused to let you beta-test their game? <g>
The truly wonderful thing about Daggerfall was the ability to develop
a satisfying character almost completely without regard to the main
plotline. It was the ultimate in non-linearity. The game was much
too ambitious for the amount of money that Bethesda was willing to
spend on developing it. It's a shame, because I doubt anyone will
ever again try to write a game with such an all-encompassing
non-linear CRPG environment. The run-of-the-mill gamer seems to want
a shopping list: A -> B -> C -> I WON!. These are the same people who
can't think of anything to do with Lego blocks without a paper plan.
Unfortunately there are a whole lot more of them than there are of us,
who will pay good money for a game where we get to use our
imagination. Demand controls supply in this case.
My current list of favorites reads:
Daggerfall
M&M 6&7 (I disliked 8 so much that I quit playing it after about two
days RT)
Wizards & Warriors
Planescape: Torment
the German games based on the Black-something-or-other (Eye?) RPG
system, although the battle mechanics were excruciatingly clumsy
BG was technically very sound and had well-crafted settings, but I was
eventually disappointed by the lack of free choice, maybe some day
I'll actually play it all the way through
Anvil of Dawn, although it was more an adventure game than a CRPG IMO,
I really liked the ability to be a character with physical
imperfections
respectful tips of the hat of course go to the early Ultimas, M&Ms,
AD&Ds, and Wizardries.
I have this feeling like I may have shorted some older favorites of
mine. I've played so many that I can't always remember them all. For
instance, there was that one where you wander around a map bulding
reputation, escorting pilgrams, and hunting some dragon who is burning
temples. It's a classic and the name escapes me.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:25:23 +1000, Draconian Dragon
<lordm...@dracon.com> wrote:
>DAGGERFALL Number One you must be kidding, or are you a lackey of
>Pathesda, or maybe you are clock face salesman trying to drum up
>business either way YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!
>
>You probably like Descent to Bludermountain and Deathcrap as
>well!!!!!!!
>
>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:43:42 -0700, "portia_EH"
><no2spam~ehou...@zipperint.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>*PC ( least to most favorite )
>>10 - IceWind Dale
>>9 - Ultima Underworld
>>8 - Eye of The Beholder 2
>>7 - Lands of Lore
>>6 - Might&Magic 4/5 (Worlds of Xeen)
>>5 - Baldur's Gate (haven't finished BG2)
>>4 - Betrayal At Krondor
>>3 - Fallout
>>2 - Wizardry 7
>>1 - DaggerFall
>>
>>*extended rpg genre, PC
>>3 - Dues Ex
>>2 - Diablo 1/2
>>1 - Star Control 2
>>
>>*console
>>6 - Vagrant Story [psx]
>>5 - Final Fantasy 7 [psx]
>>4 - Final Fantasy 2 (4 in Japan) [snes]
>>3 - Phantasy Star II [sega genesis]
>>2 - Shining In The Darkness [sega genesis]
>>1 - Lufia 2: Rise of The Sinistrals [snes]
>>
>>*extended rpg genre, console
>>3 - Tactics Ogre [psx]
>>2 - Shining Force [sega genesis]
>>1 - Final Fantasy Tactics [psx]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"It doesn't matter how big or strong you are...a thumb to the eye will
>always slow you down." - Jesse Ventura, circa 1987
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> DAGGERFALL Number One you must be kidding, or are you a lackey of
> Pathesda, or maybe you are clock face salesman trying to drum up
> business either way YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!
Daggerfall is a very entertaining and satisfying game. It's cool if it is
not your thing but for many it was a great experience.
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>I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
>of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
>Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
Top 10 of all time:
1. Planescape: Torment
2. Ultima VII Part 2 - Serpent Isle
3. Ultima VII Part 1 - The Black Gate
4. Ultima V - Warriors of Destiny
5. Baldur's Gate
6. Ultima IV - Quest of the Avatar
7. Treasures of the Savage Frontier
8. The Dark Queen of Krynn
9. Champions of Krynn
10. Gateway to the Savage Frontier
As for the RPGs of the last two years, the only ones I've played are
Ultima IX - Ascension (which I actually think good, but not one of the
all-time greats) and Planescape: Torment, so I'm really not qualified
to give a top 5 ...
Ross Ridge
Hmm... I'm surprised no one has mentioned Dungeon Master on their lists. No
CRPG has been as influential since Ultima III and the original Wizardry.
Ross Ridge
Jarno Kaarinen
>Hmm... I'm surprised no one has mentioned Dungeon Master on their lists. No
>CRPG has been as influential since Ultima III and the original Wizardry.
It might have been very influential, if only it would have originated
on more well-known and widespread (in US) systems than Atari ST and
Amiga back in 1987 or 1988. Many people didn't seem to even realize it
was also ported to PC later.
But of course, they made games like Eye of the Beholder and Lands of
Lore which resemble it...
portia_EH
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> DAGGERFALL Number One you must be kidding, or are you a lackey of
> Pathesda, or maybe you are clock face salesman trying to drum up
> business either way YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!
>
I've never loved a game as much as Daggerfall for everything it tried to be.
I never loathed a game as much as Daggerfall for everything it did to me
(crashes, bugs, etc.)
And I've never spent so many hundreds of man-hours playing a single game,
over and over with different characters, and still not have finished the
game. The farthest I got along in the main quest was solving the "missing
letter" quest for the king of daggerfal, found out the King's real demise
and why he haunts daggerfall (even visted his tomb!), and got lost from the
main quest right around some orc I visited in castle ... can't remember
names of people or places.
We can only hope that Morrowind turns out to be half the game Daggerfal was,
and pray it has at least half the bugs.
Law
here another useful SunDog page.
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"Ross Ridge" <rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
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Bloodyell - I'd almost forgotten WizardryI, I really enjoyed playing that -
I seem to recall the challenge was get the dagger of thievery so that you
could swap your thief over to a Ninja :))
Dungeon Master was very good, I always had to include Gothmog in my party
(the sinister looking guy in the black cape)
Wizards Crown was another goody - the first REAL dungeon type game SSI ever
did, I found it on an abandonware site the other day, DL'd it & started
playing again (I torched it after a while tho as it's lost some of its charm
now - still had bloody good character progression on it tho)
James Garvin
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/maury/games/space/SunDog.html
Sundog, Star Flight, Conquest of Camelot, Ultima 7, Shadowrun (for the
sega genesis), and Buck Rogers all need to be re-done. It would be
great to see a revamp of the old Battletech games too (Cresent Hawks
Inception and Revenge I think they were called)
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The Fifth Llama
first, are:
- Baldurs Gate II
- Deus Ex
- Fallout
- Ultima Underworld
- Serpent Isle
- Ultima VII
- Ultima Underworld II
- Baldurs Gate
- Martain Dreams
- Lands of Lore
My perception of how good these games were is affected by the order I played
them. Ultima VI being one of the first few CRPG's I played it jaded me
against pretty much everything that came before it -- I enjoyed U4 and U5
but I don't rank them as good as LOL or BG because I'd already experience
U6. But for some strange reason, Martain dreams to me had a great story and
vastly more interesting characters, even though it was a mini-ultima 6.
U7/SI and both underworlds came in a sequence and were immensely enjoyable.
There was little else to compare them with at the time, either. They had
story, they had sound, they had graphics, they had lots of quests and items,
and U7 had amazing world/character interaction.
Fallout was in some respects better than earlier games I played and in some
respects worse. It had a great story, fabulous voice acting, fascinating
characters to meet, and great action. It lacked NPC development, though --
even in Ultima VII and Serpent Isle you could develop your followers and
improve them at least. Also, the world/character interaction in Fallout was
minimal.
Deus Ex and Baldurs Gate II took rpg's to a new level -- great story,
fascinating characters all around, lots of interesting items to find, and
great NPC development and your character's ability to affect things. But
again, neither game allowed the depth of character/world interaction as the
Ultima's but they are hopefully getting there -- that was somewhat offset by
having lots of interesting equipment for your characters though.
Sean Howard
Planescape Torment...and uh... mmm.. Diablo (the first one). I have played
almost every crpg listed here, and have found myself involved with virtually
none of them. I keep playing crpgs because at a fundamental level, they have
something which appeals to me very deeply. Torment was a mind altering
experience, and gives me hope.
But what I really want to know is why everyone thinks Deus Ex is a crpg...
That's right, Deus Ex got second best RPG of the year, behind Baldur's Gate 2,
while the game that is most similar to it, No One Lives Forever, got best
Action game of the year because of lack of quality competition. Apples to
apples, oranges to oranges.
@@
Sean Howard
Eric VanHeest
> [ Deus Ex but not System Shock 2 ]
Just curious - why didn't System Shock 2 make the cut? I have a hard
time imagining someone who liked Fallout and Deus Ex not liking System
Shock 2 :)
Actually, I take that back. I have a friend whose opinion is almost
exactly that. Said System Shock 2 was too "enclosed."
Jarno Kaarinen
>But what I really want to know is why everyone thinks Deus Ex is a crpg...
>That's right, Deus Ex got second best RPG of the year, behind Baldur's Gate 2,
>while the game that is most similar to it, No One Lives Forever, got best
>Action game of the year because of lack of quality competition. Apples to
>apples, oranges to oranges.
Deus Ex is an action-RPG, NOLF is pure action. Do you recall honing
any of your skills in NOLF?
Filip van den Bergh
action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
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Knight37
something about:
>There is a FASA Shadowrun game on the SEGA? How's that? A real RPG or
>more action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
Yes!
This game is an excellent CRPG verison of SR. It is real-time, so has a bit
of 'action' element, but it is most definitely an RPG, and most definitely
Shadowrun. You can find the rom and an emulator on the net. Do a search on
Google. I like the GENesyst (sp?) emulator best.
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-- Blonde, from "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"
Sten Friberg
0r so, but I still remember it fondly.
Am I alone in this?
Sten
Law
> >There is a FASA Shadowrun game on the SEGA? How's that? A real RPG or
> >more action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
>
> Yes!
>
> This game is an excellent CRPG verison of SR. It is real-time, so has a bit
> of 'action' element, but it is most definitely an RPG, and most definitely
> Shadowrun. You can find the rom and an emulator on the net. Do a search on
> Google. I like the GENesyst (sp?) emulator best.
what's the name of that game ?
eds...@my-deja.com
<SNIP>
: I have this feeling like I may have shorted some older favorites of
: mine. I've played so many that I can't always remember them all. For
: instance, there was that one where you wander around a map bulding
: reputation, escorting pilgrams, and hunting some dragon who is burning
: temples. It's a classic and the name escapes me.
Sounds rather like Darklands... Talk about a game that had a genuinely
unique feel to it... Roleplaying in the medieval Germany that the
people of the time thought existed. Researching saints and magic potions
hunting Raubritters... sigh... those were the days...
Ed
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"Eric VanHeest" <e...@og1.olagrande.net> wrote in message
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> The Fifth Llama <fi...@llamas.rus> wrote:
>
> > [ Deus Ex but not System Shock 2 ]
>
> Just curious - why didn't System Shock 2 make the cut? I have a hard
> time imagining someone who liked Fallout and Deus Ex not liking System
> Shock 2 :)
Well truth be told I missed System Shock, it came out at a time when I was
on the road for months on end and there were other things to occupy me by
the time I got back home and into gaming :)
Perhaps I should go back ...
Ykalon Dragon
>
> They refused out of fear, because they realised that their product was
> flawed. It sold about 200 copies in this country even with the
> trillionth patch. Within two weeks of being on the shelves it was in
> the bargain bin for $9.95. Some enterprising person then bought all
> the available copies and turned them into clock faces. So much for
> top CRPG of all time. You say the game was non linear, bullshit I
> finished it in a week. The other games you mentioned are OK but pale
> into insignificance when compared to Black Crypt, Fate the Gates of
> Dawn (both which I beta tested) Ultima 5 and Bards Tale 2 &3 (All
> played on the Amiga)
> Fate took me 7 months to complete and the other four at least 3
> months.
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:03:44 -0500, Sandra Linkletter
Linearity has nothing, zip, nada, zero to do with how long it takes to
solve the
game. A 10 second game can be nonlinear and a game that takes 10 years
to finish can be extremely linear.
Demi|inX
> ROTFL
Eh. *shrug* Some people. :)
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Sorta remember it. I guess I never really got into it (didn't it
require that you have 2 floppy drives?)
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James Garvin
Filip van den Bergh wrote:
> There is a FASA Shadowrun game on the SEGA? How's that? A real RPG or more
> action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
Yup...Get Gencyst and look for the Shadowrun ROM on almost any rom
website (might even be on home of the underdogs...)
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bo...@nmt.edu
Knight37
>Knight37 wrote:
>
>> >There is a FASA Shadowrun game on the SEGA? How's that? A real RPG or
>> >more action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> This game is an excellent CRPG verison of SR. It is real-time, so has
>> a bit of 'action' element, but it is most definitely an RPG, and most
>> definitely Shadowrun. You can find the rom and an emulator on the net.
>> Do a search on Google. I like the GENesyst (sp?) emulator best.
>
>what's the name of that game ?
Shadowrun. It's the only Shadowrun game for the Genesis. There was one for
the Super Nintendo also, and while it shares the same name, it was a
completely different game in both story and gameplay. I much preferred the
Genesis one.
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Ebonio
>James Garvin <cr...@nmt.edu> wrote
>
>> > Could you be referring to Sun Dog?
>
>> YA!!! That one. I loved that game. Hrmm...Perhaps they would be
>> willing to release the source. Anybody remember who made it? I wonder
>> how hard an update to that game would be...
>
>Sundog: The Frozen Legacy. One of my favourite games too.
>
>It was designed by Bruce Webster and Wayne Holder of FTL, who later designed
>Dungeon Master. Check out this link, it'll bring back some memories;
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/maury/games/space/SunDog.html
>
>Paul
>
Thanks for the link, it's a great read. The screenshots seem to be from the Atari ST
version though, cause they never looked that nice on my apple 2 :)
Jarno Kaarinen
>There is a FASA Shadowrun game on the SEGA? How's that? A real RPG or more
>action? Any emu's with ROMs I can download?
There is a Shadowrun RPG for both Sega Genesis and SNES, which also
happen to be quite different games in comparison.
James Garvin
> There is a Shadowrun RPG for both Sega Genesis and SNES, which also
> happen to be quite different games in comparison.
The SNES one really blows. The one for the Genesis is pretty damn good, but
needs an update....Perhaps MS will give it to us :-0
Filip van den Bergh
Shadowrun rules were better but more complicated than the AD&D rules I
feared a too complicated game. After playing for an hour and a half I can
safely say I truly suck at this game though. Of course, I haven't got the
manual. I keep dying.
I didn't search for any fansites yet, but I doubt if they're out there (on
the other hand, the net has an obsessive freak for every concept in reality,
so perhaps there is).
Thanks for the replies.
Filip
James Garvin <bo...@nmt.edu> wrote in message
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Knight37
something about:
>Well, I downloaded the ROM and it looks good. Since I thought that the
>Shadowrun rules were better but more complicated than the AD&D rules I
>feared a too complicated game. After playing for an hour and a half I
>can safely say I truly suck at this game though. Of course, I haven't
>got the manual. I keep dying.
>I didn't search for any fansites yet, but I doubt if they're out there
>(on the other hand, the net has an obsessive freak for every concept in
>reality, so perhaps there is).
>Thanks for the replies.
If you're talking about the Genesis version, then let me know if you have
any questions. I can probably answer them.
Some tips:
I am pretty sure all 3 of your "class" choices can use the matrix. So,
being a decker is more or less a mute point, unless you want to get into
some of the harder matrix areas early in the game. Your choice then becomes
shaman or street sam. I think the NPC magic users pretty much suck, so I
went with shaman. Actually I think I've played all 3 classes for a majority
of the game and I don't remember which was the most effective, so it
probably does't make too much of a difference.
Map the matrix runs. You will eventually find there are only about 10 or 15
different matrix setups, and you should be able to tell which one you're in
after about the first 2 or 3 nodes. Then you will KNOW where to go to find
whatever you're in there for based on the info in your map, and so you will
not waste time wandering around fighting IC that you don't need to.
Circle-strafe when fighting things. Do not let them touch you. For example,
in the Redmont Barrens, where the ghouls are, when you encounter ghouls,
try to find a room big enough. You are usually faster than the ghouls, so
you can keep circling the edges of the room if it's big enough and they
will more or less stay in the middle, and you can avoid most of their
attacks this way while taking them out. This tactic works against most of
the creatures in the game (some of them are too fast and nuking THOSE with
magic is usually the best solution).
Stay in the Redmont Barrens until you gain quite a few levels. There is a
Mr. Johnson in the Jump House there, and he will give you plenty of
courier, body guard, and ghoul-hunt jobs. Do this until you are at least
powerful enough to go on the matrix and do data-steal runs. You will gain
Karma with every run you do far that Johnson, and the runs are quick and
easy to finish. Once you leave the Barrens, your runs will become harder
and more expensive to do, since you will have to travel between "zones" on
the overhead map. This is slower too, so you will not gain Karma as fast
unless you're good enough to do it quickly. So take advantage of the fact
that the early-game lets you stay in one location to get all your runs done
and build up your Karma quickly.
Eventually, the gains you're making for doing these lowly runs will seem to
be not worth it, compared to what you can do in the matrix. Only then
should you venture to Seattle and find another Johnsen there that can give
you matrix runs. You will probably be short on Nuyen until you can get good
enough to do the more risky data-steals. By then you will be able to handle
anything the Matrix sends at you and you will eventually get to the point
that random data-steals (just going out and randomly finding a company with
some valuable data, then selling it) will net you more cash than the runs
themselves. By then you're well on your way to finishing up the main plot
of the game.
Let me know any particular thing you're having trouble with and I'll see if
I can remember how I got around it.
--
Knight37
"Can I play with madness?
The prophet stared at his crystal ball.
Can I play with madness?
There's no vision there at all!"
-- Iron Maiden
Law
> Shadowrun. It's the only Shadowrun game for the Genesis. There was one for
> the Super Nintendo also, and while it shares the same name, it was a
> completely different game in both story and gameplay. I much preferred the
> Genesis one.
thx for the info.
hoy.Don...@hawaii.edu
: James Garvin <bo...@nmt.edu> wrote:
: : Jarno Kaarinen wrote:
: IMHO, the SNES one was pretty good. Of course, it's more csipca
: than cispcr. Genesis version adhered more to the pnp game.
doh! forgot some g's in there somewhere.
--
hoy xatx hawaii xdotx education
hoy.Don...@hawaii.edu
: Jarno Kaarinen wrote:
IMHO, the SNES one was pretty good. Of course, it's more csipca
than cispcr. Genesis version adhered more to the pnp game.
--
DigitalOZ
> I'm looking to pick up some games & want opinions on the top 10 crpg's
> of all time, in case I see something in the bargain bin.
>
> Also, how 'bout the top 5 of the last two years?
>
>
> Thnx
>
My picks in no particular order (ok, so I listed 11):
Might and Magic VI
Ultima Underworld I & II
EverQuest
Daggerfall
Icewind Dale
Alternate Reality - you'd have to get an emulator (e.g. Atari 800) to
play this one
Thief
Planescape:Torment
System Shock I & II
DigitalOZ
FlashFlood
more than a dozen times through, and in the end the game started losing
my saved games from over-use ! :) I remember building a character up to
a point that all his stats were almost all maxed out :)
A decker starts off with more agility than a samurai, so he has better
footspeed. With that in mind, get the ghoul-extermination shadowrun from
the john in redmond. Since youre faster than the ghouls, you should be
able to take out dozens of them for massive amounts of nuyen.
later on, when you feel you can take on corporations, always take the
shadowrun against renraku. It gives out 4000 nuyen but it's always the
same kind of mission. You can also get lucky and find what youre looking
for in the first floor, making the run really short.
Use sub machine guns on the hellhounds, because once they get close
enough to breath on you, youre dead.
The best decker is the elven one named heartbane, in a bar in the better
part of seattle.
the cheat to activate the cheat-menu (max cash, all the matrix software,
increased karma) is
a b b a c a b start
afterwards, go into your pocket secretary and scroll down until you hit
an invisible option. Select that.
--
FlashFlood
Joke:
When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is
dropped, it always lands with the buttered side facing down. I propose
to strap buttered toast to the back of a cat; the two will hover,
spinning inches above the ground. With a giant buttered cat array, a
high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago.
Filip van den Bergh
starting area's, I got chopped up by random encounters, because they outrun
me and it takes my character too many shots to finish them off. But perhaps
I should simply avoid those in the early parts of the game? I'm doing some
runs for Johnson and they seem simple enough at start, although the cash
rewards are low. But I suppose it's persistence that will get me somewhere?
The enthousiasm of the people on this group will add to my own persintence.
Thanks you so far.
Filip
Knight37
"Filip van den Bergh" <F.S.van...@students.fss.uu.nl> babbled
something about:
>Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a spin. My main problem was that in
>the starting area's, I got chopped up by random encounters, because they
>outrun me and it takes my character too many shots to finish them off.
>But perhaps I should simply avoid those in the early parts of the game?
Avoid combat for a while until you beef up your stats and equipment. Take
the runs that you only have to deliver something and you should be able to
outrun the baddies on the streets.
>I'm doing some runs for Johnson and they seem simple enough at start,
>although the cash rewards are low. But I suppose it's persistence that
>will get me somewhere?
After you've built up your stats and equipment a bit, then you can take the
job to exterminate ghouls and that can net you 25 nuyen per ghoul which
isn't too shabby at that point in the game. Your persistance will pay off
and eventually you'll be a first class shadowrunner doing kick ass runs.
>The enthousiasm of the people on this group will
>add to my own persintence. Thanks you so far.
No problem, I hope you enjoy it!
--
Knight37
"Hey You!
Don't tell me there's no hope at all!
Together we stand. Divided we fall."
-- Pink Floyd, "Hey You"