[BG2] Kangaxx is NOT the hardest fight in the game...
Ultra
I know lotsa people had a tough time with Kangaxx, cuz he turns into a
demi-lich halfway through the fight (or after the first fight, if you want to
see it that way, hehe)... but....
HOWEVER, it was NOT the hardest fight in the game for me. Again, a spoiler
warning here:
The hardest fight in the game is actually unrelated to any of the quests. It's
also the ONLY area in the game that requires a gem (a rogue stone): Shangalar
and the Twisted Rune! This was truly the crowning battle of BG2 for me.
Here's a short description of my fight for those interested (tribute to Werner
Arend's excellent description of his Kangaxx fight):
The problem with this fight is that Shangalar doesn't fight you alone. He's a
lich every bit as powerful as Kangaxx (without the demilich part), but before
he even begins, he summons a super Elder Orb Beholder (tougher than a normal
Elder Orb), a damn tough fighter, a high-level mage, an extremely tough vampire
that drained 4-5 levels each hit, PLUS a Pit Fiend.
The thing is, if I was in the room when all this was summoned, I'd be dead meat
even with all the spell preparations in the world. I stayed in the alcove, and
chose to take on one enemy at a time. Let me say that without the Cloak of
Mirroring, this would have been an impossible fight, because the mage and the
Elder Orb would be able to attack/kill you even behind Shangalar.
A couple of things that helped: the vampire and the pit fiend attacked each
other (which distracted them for a while), and my paladin wielding Carsomyr
partnered with a Korgan wielding a Crom Faeyr and a Frostreaver axe at the same
time was the secret to my success. Also, I used 5 breach spells, 2 pierce
magics, 1 Ruby Ray, 1 Remove Magic, plus the usual Sequencer and Contingency
spells to survive the fight. :)
ultra
Holger Linge
>also the ONLY area in the game that requires a gem (a rogue stone): Shangalar
>and the Twisted Rune! This was truly the crowning battle of BG2 for me.
Where do you find him ?
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Holger
(re)flex
"Holger Linge" <holger...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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A
Bit
of
Spoiler
Space
In the Bridge District. Have the Rogue Stone in a character's inventory (NOT
a Gem Bag or Bag of Holding), then try opening a door that didn't go
anywhere previously (and yet was trapped).
Ryan Franklin
> I know lotsa people had a tough time with Kangaxx, cuz he turns into a
> demi-lich halfway through the fight (or after the first fight, if you want to
> see it that way, hehe)... but....
Actually, the tough time I've been having with Kangaxx is that after he
becomes a demilich and says a few things, my game goes on autopilot. All
the control bars disappear, the mouse pointer disappears, pause no longer
works, and whatever my guys were doing before this (generally whomping on
the demilich) is what they keep doing. Forever. And ever. Without doing
any damage, incidentally, so it's just a lot of swinging sounds and "My
weapon has no effect!" dialogue. Kangaxx just floats there, doing
nothing. I have to alt-F4 my way out of the game because nothing else
works, and so I'm probably just going to dump Kangaxx's bones on a table
someplace and just pretend that I killed him. We would've won
anyway--I've tried enough times now that I can get through his lich form
in just a few rounds without taking any damage or really using many
spells. (Traps are sooo nice for liches; they hit 'em for damage before
any of their protective spells go up.)
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maybe a patch will fix this for me
ry...@cobweb.scarymonsters.net
Brian H.
Ultra <nospam.ul...@home.com> wrote in message
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> [MASSIVE SPOILERS]
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(*snip very good spoiler *)
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> ultra
Last night I played the Planar Sphere and I'm very satisfied that almost
each combat scene surpassed Icewind Dale. The demons in the Planar Sphere
is every bit challenging as the final battle I encountered in Icewind Dale.
Maybe it's because my party level is much lower (lvl 9 to 12) and didn't get
any kickass weapons yet (only +2 weapons are used) than the case when I'm in
Icewind Dale, where my party got loads of good items and very high level.
No, I am not complaining Icewind Dale is easy. I enjoyed Icewind Dale very
much. But the fact that many battles in BG2 are of the same quality as the
final battle in Icewind Dale make me feel that BG2 is really a great game.
It worth every bit of $$$$ I spent. I'm completely satisfied. =)
n...@dna.fi
> [MASSIVE SPOILERS]
>
> I know lotsa people had a tough time with Kangaxx, cuz he turns into a
> demi-lich halfway through the fight (or after the first fight, if you want to
> see it that way, hehe)... but....
>
> ultra
I had quite a hard time with Kangaxx the Lich and Kangaxx the
Demi-lich. It wasn't amusing to face them both at the same time.
I have no idea how this happened, perhaps it was because of the
Mislead spell by Kangaxx and that it died about that same moment,
so in comes Kangaxx the Demi-lich and Kangaxx the lich just stood
there happily casting timestop and other nice spells.
I prevailed in the end, and I will have to admit that the Twisted
Rune battle was much harder. It depends more on the luck because
there are so many factors you can't count in. I had skeleton warriors
take care of the beholder, Shangalar was a cake, Minsc was mazed and
the other mage was busy with her own Pit Fiend. The fighter was too
weak and the vampire didn't like mace of destruction.
Of course I knew what to expect and was prepared for the fight.
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Niko Wellingk
C. Chan
>Ultra <nospam.ul...@home.com> writes:
>
>
>I had quite a hard time with Kangaxx the Lich and Kangaxx the
>Demi-lich. It wasn't amusing to face them both at the same time.
>
>I have no idea how this happened, perhaps it was because of the
>Mislead spell by Kangaxx and that it died about that same moment,
>so in comes Kangaxx the Demi-lich and Kangaxx the lich just stood
>there happily casting timestop and other nice spells.
>
>I prevailed in the end, and I will have to admit that the Twisted
>Rune battle was much harder. It depends more on the luck because
>there are so many factors you can't count in. I had skeleton warriors
>take care of the beholder, Shangalar was a cake, Minsc was mazed and
>the other mage was busy with her own Pit Fiend. The fighter was too
>weak and the vampire didn't like mace of destruction.
>
>Of course I knew what to expect and was prepared for the fight.
>
>
>--
>Niko Wellingk
Just out of curiosity, has anyone found a munchkin way to win
the twisted Rune fight at disgustingly low levels? Nothing like
an 7th level character with a Staff of the Magi. I would guess
it could start with someone laying lots of snares to kill Shangalar
before he gets his defensive spells up, sending in summoned
monsters to get the mage or vampire or Orb or pit fiend to
use an area of effect spell so they fight amongst themselves,
then mopping up with more snares and backstabs.
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C. Chan < c-c...@uchicago.edu >
PGP Public Key: finger cc...@vader.bsd.uchicago.edu
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I thought the kangaxx fight was harder probably because he always seemed to
cast imprisonment on my main character first. I was able to beat the
Shanglar fight the 2nd time trying (it was late in the game though), without
anyone dying... went strait for the elder orb, then the lich... then the
vampire and fighter? at the end the pit fiend killed the mage with the staff
of power.
"Ultra" <nospam.ul...@home.com> wrote in message
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> [MASSIVE SPOILERS]
>
> I know lotsa people had a tough time with Kangaxx, cuz he turns into a
> demi-lich halfway through the fight (or after the first fight, if you want
to
> see it that way, hehe)... but....
>
> HOWEVER, it was NOT the hardest fight in the game for me. Again, a spoiler
> warning here:
>
> The hardest fight in the game is actually unrelated to any of the quests.
It's
> also the ONLY area in the game that requires a gem (a rogue stone):
Shangalar
> and the Twisted Rune! This was truly the crowning battle of BG2 for me.
>
[. v/jek .]
>Last night I played the Planar Sphere and I'm very satisfied that almost
>each combat scene surpassed Icewind Dale. The demons in the Planar Sphere
>is every bit challenging as the final battle I encountered in Icewind Dale.
You me lavok? He was pretty easy for my party. Jaheria just summoned a
insect plague and he wasn't able to cast spells. Since he didn't have much
HtH ability, I dropped him in around 3 rounds... without a scratch.
btw- where is this cloak of mirroring people speak of?
(:: qiB ::)
eggma...@my-deja.com
fight? Take on Drizzt and his friends. Drizzt gave me more trouble than
dragons. He is damn near impervious to magic, moves at haste speed, and
he has a brutal fast melee attack. This guy was lopping big chunks out
of Korgan's -12 AC butt with ease. Plus his friends are no pushovers
either.
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SaveMe
"[. v/jek .]" <fm...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> >Last night I played the Planar Sphere and I'm very satisfied that almost
> >each combat scene surpassed Icewind Dale. The demons in the Planar
Sphere
> >is every bit challenging as the final battle I encountered in Icewind
Dale.
>
Duh, those Demons are wimps. Killed 3 of em with ease.
You can fight one later in drow city as well.... totally wimpy as
well.
Save
Gac601
Mmhanlon
>>Demi-lich. It wasn't amusing to face them both at the same time.
>>
>>I have no idea how this happened, perhaps it was because of the
>>Mislead spell by Kangaxx and that it died about that same moment,
>>so in comes Kangaxx the Demi-lich and Kangaxx the lich just stood
>>there happily casting timestop and other nice spells.
>>
>>I prevailed in the end, and I will have to admit that the Twisted
>>Rune battle was much harder. It depends more on the luck because
>>there are so many factors you can't count in. I had skeleton warriors
>>take care of the beholder, Shangalar was a cake, Minsc was mazed and
>>the other mage was busy with her own Pit Fiend. The fighter was too
>>weak and the vampire didn't like mace of destruction.
>>
>>Of course I knew what to expect and was prepared for the fight.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Niko Wellingk
>
>Just out of curiosity, has anyone found a munchkin way to win
>the twisted Rune fight at disgustingly low levels? Nothing like
>an 7th level character with a Staff of the Magi. I would guess
>it could start with someone laying lots of snares to kill Shangalar
>before he gets his defensive spells up, sending in summoned
>monsters to get the mage or vampire or Orb or pit fiend to
>use an area of effect spell so they fight amongst themselves,
>then mopping up with more snares and backstabs.
Munchkin here. I just finished a solo game with a Fighter/Mage/Thief, and I
doubt BG2 would have been so easy without that staff. Your answer is simple
really. AdventurersRUs sells TWO Protection from Magic scrolls. One is for
Kangaxx, the other is for Twisted Rune. Both of these encounters are actually
easier with a party of one. Perhaps you could park everyone in the inn (Reform
Party) and try this.
So use that scroll and then the vampire, with his physical attack, becomes the
only threat in the Twisted Rune room. Everyone else just casts ineffectually
at you.
One technique is to kill the female mage first, snatch the staff from her
corpse, then cheese the vampire with the staff. Yes, some beneficial magic
like heal potients gets thru the Prot Magic scroll. The Staff is incredibly
powerful. Backstab, grab Staff (and invisible), run away, Hide in Shadows,
switch over to a backstab weapon, yawn, rinse and repeat. Or you can simply
regrab the staff after every hit (with your F2 hotkey), which refreshes the
Invisible. The Dispel Magic feature works wonders on those annoying
Stoneskins. Like that.
What I'm saying is that the Staff of the Magi just trashes the game-balance.
Still, there are situations in a solo game where you NEED munchkin techniques,
so score the Staff of Magi early on then try not to overuse it. Pretend it has
charges.