Wizardry8
DBaker
Thanks
Charles Miles
video card, sound card)
Charles
One of the Wizardry 8 Developers
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:34:18 GMT, "DBaker" <mbak...@tampabay.rr.com>
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> Installed demo but it hangs on the autodetect screen, anyone know why.
> Thanks
Without any system specs - maybe some conflicting devices? Perhaps some old
drivers?
More info would help us help you. ^-^
Sam
NUTMAN
Gidday,
was wondering what the spec requirements in the demo readme are, same has on
the wizardry8.com website?? around a P2-266??
cheers
Nutman
PNokioJoe
>
>Installed demo but it hangs on the autodetect screen, anyone know why.
>Thanks
>
>
>
>
have (it's caused problems with other games as well, like Anachronoz and POR2).
In "My Computer" right click and select device manager - select device and
select disable.
I got the game running but w/o sound. Oh, well - I'm going to head to the
official boards to see if there's a workaround (without having to buy a real
sound card!)
Hope it helps - PJ
J. Michael Faust
crashes whenever I try to run it. I have updated drivers, my system stats:
Windows 2000, P-III 700, 256MB RAM, GForce (nVidia), SB Live! Value
-Michael
George Frank
Locked up and crashed to desktop. Tried to restart but now the load game is
greyed out. Looks like we need a patch already. 256meg ram. 1.7ghz
processor. All new drivers.
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Bill Seurer
> Windows 2000
Is that supported or just Win9x?
Grimfarrow
Bill Seurer wrote:
Windows 2000 is supported.
I really like the demo. Exactly what I
expected. The graphics are a bit jaggy, but
not "terrible" by any measure. Interface took
about 30 min. to get used to, but after that
it was lock n' load.
Great stuff. I'm so happy to believe in the game
all this time :D
Grimfarrow
Eric
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Charles Miles
Where do we get off making a game that people "really like?"
The nerve of us! :)
Charles
A Wizardry 8 designer
On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:08:17 GMT, Draconian Dragon
<lordm...@dracon.com> wrote:
>Jeez Charles can't you even get the demo right, cmon it is due on
>November 15. You wouldn't be trying to make it user pays beta would
>you????
>
>On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:36:59 GMT, Grimfarrow <grimf...@homely.com>
>wrote:
>"It doesn't matter how big or strong you are...a thumb to the eye will
>always slow you down." - Jesse Ventura, circa 1987
Charles Miles
Now then:
Are you saying you also get a lock-up with the autodetect?
If so, what's your video card? Sound card? (I need to tell the
programers something more specific than "Maine thingymabob hmm
weird":)
Charles
On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:46:22 GMT, Draconian Dragon
<lordm...@dracon.com> wrote:
>Quick reply. The auto detection is a little strange. Direct X7 a
>little dated maybe??? sound card something called Maine thingymabob
>hmm weird. I chose 1024x768 32 bit and got 640x480 16 bit hmmm needs
>work. hmm release the demo and get some beta testing feedback hmm
>what were the beta testers doing during the beta test??. Damn Max's
>eyes he cost me a beta test spot, 2 weeks to release, patch due
>already maybe??? Lets hope for your company's sake it all comes
>together otherwise it's curtains. So far it is passable but only
>just.
>
>GOOD LUCK CHARLES
scott jelinek
Calm down, it is nice to even see a developer respond on a board, quit being
a jerk.
"Draconian Dragon" <lordm...@dracon.com> wrote in message
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> WIN XP Professional SB128 (DIGITAL), ASUS Geforce 2 7700 Deluxe GTS
> Pro. 1.5 gig of ram. I have chosen various configurations and still
> get 640/480 not matter what I choose. Surely the beta testers would
> have mentioned this or came across it?? or is the demo limited or
> deliberately flawed to attract comment or posts?? Are you using the
> demo as a further beta test???
>
>
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 22:56:18 GMT, Charles Miles
PNokioJoe
>From: "Eric" k7e...@hotmail.nospm.com
>Date: 11/1/01 5:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3be14a57$0$13464$39ce...@nnrp1.twtelecom.net>
sound. The work-around leads me to believe that the problem might be more my
system than WIZ 8.
That being said, and despite the few lost hours, I must say this demo is GREAT!
And adding the story elements that will most likely flesh out the full version
and this one is going to be at the top of my all time favorites. Great job
SIR-TECH!
My solution:
I found slightly "newer" drivers (Jan 2000) at the Yamaha web site - a 5 meg
download that updates three Yamaha devices (Device manager, game port and
Legacy Sound System). I install them, reboot to complete the driver install
process, and WIZ's auto-detect (and then sound) work perfect in the game. But
here's the catch: if I shut down and reboot Windows normally and try again, no
sound in WIZ 8 - the program crashes on loading.
This makes me believe that the new drivers aren't being loaded correctly after
that initial install. Somehow, on start-up, Win95 overrides the newer drivers,
but I can't find exactly where it happens. Device manager reports all drivers
are the "newer" ones, yet no sound works in WIZ (like with the old drivers).
I'm only slightly above-average computer-savy wise, so I'm not bright enough to
locate the problem. (I looked at SYSTEM.INI, but it doesn't mean a whole lot to
me.)
Therefore, the only way to get sound in the game is to re-install the new
drivers before each WIZ 8 session, reboot, get newest drivers freshly
installed, and play. (Actually, now I reinstall drivers when I'm finished, shut
down, and on the next reboot, Windows finishes the driver install process - new
drivers ready for WIZ 8!)
Maybe someone more adept at Windows could find the problem, but as I'm hoping
to update to a new system after the holidays, I'll just suffer with the
inconvenience for now. :)
Hope the above might be useful to others with similar problems - IMHO, it's
worth it for the demo! - PJ
Kevin McGuire
: This is a legitimate forum, open for discussion, constructive
: criticism is warranted, given my beta testing experience I am entitled
: to ask questions. Are you Charles' keeper if not butt out and let him
: answer for himself.
You're right, it is an open forum, and Scott was totally right to ask you
not to be such a jerk.
--
Kevin McGuire University of Pennsylvania
Spelling tip: I win, you _lose_. You are the _loser_ of the game.
This XXL shirt is really _loose_. I can't see how it could
be _looser_.
Christy
lordm...@dracon.com says...
> This is a legitimate forum, open for discussion, constructive
> criticism is warranted, given my beta testing experience I am entitled
> to ask questions. Are you Charles' keeper if not butt out and let him
> answer for himself.
You never replied to my post about why Grimore was going beta 2 years ago
and you now have just signed a beta agreement again?
Does this game really exist? I'd love to play it after I finish Wiz8.
--
Cheers
Christy - aurinia in place of nospam if you wish to make contact
akhv
"Charles Miles" <charlesm...@yahoo.com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????:
>
> If so, what's your video card? Sound card? (I need to tell the
> programers something more specific than "Maine thingymabob hmm
> weird":)
Another autodetection lock-up
i got 2 soundcards
some cheapo no-name based on ess1868 chipset,
(usually i use it only as joystick port)
and semi-pro "echo darla" with latest drivers.
the only way to sucessfully run autudetect is to disable both cards
(and run demo without a sound...)
if any card, or both of them, is enabled - there goes lock-up
in echo darla setup there's an option - to enable or to disable DirectSound
i tried both - still no luck:(
i know it's not a gaming soundcard, but every game or demo
i tried for last couple of years worked just fine.
does it mean the full game will behave the same way?:(
system is celeron300a, matrox g200, 160mb ram, win 98
i hope there's a patch upcoming
thanks
Ashot
scott jelinek
and it makes their company look petty.. I, however, have no such
limitations. Constructive criticism would be.. "this isn't implemented
correctly". Name calling and being a jerk is "Are you using the public as
Beta?" There is a difference, and I can tell you what side of the line
your posts are on.
Also, I will point out that the designer does not have to respond to
questions on Usenet. Most of them don't. I never got responses on any of
my POR problems. Most games are out the door, we don't care anymore. When
someone takes the time to respond to problems, especially on a game that is
already gold, he is not doing it to "test" the game, he is doing it because
he wants to help people with it. Don't take this opportunity to try to
start a private war.
"Draconian Dragon" <lordm...@dracon.com> wrote in message
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> This is a legitimate forum, open for discussion, constructive
> criticism is warranted, given my beta testing experience I am entitled
> to ask questions. Are you Charles' keeper if not butt out and let him
> answer for himself.
>
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:19:20 GMT, "scott jelinek" <fyrf...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
Adam Russell
email.
"Draconian Dragon" <lordm...@dracon.com> wrote in message
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> This is a legitimate forum, open for discussion, constructive
> criticism is warranted, given my beta testing experience I am entitled
> to ask questions. Are you Charles' keeper if not butt out and let him
> answer for himself.
>
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:19:20 GMT, "scott jelinek" <fyrf...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
James Frith
wrote:
>Installed demo but it hangs on the autodetect screen, anyone know why.
>Thanks
>
First, make sure that you have the latest drivers for your sound and
video cards.
Then, if it crashes while detecting your sound card, try this:
Start->Settings->Control Panel->MultiMedia
->Audio Playback->Advanced Properties
->Performance
Then drop the hardware acceleration slider one or two notches.
Or, for video problems:
Start->Settings->Control Panel->System
->Performance->Graphics
Drop the slider and restart the game.
Hope that helps,
--
James Frith jfr...@home.com
Primordial Dragon -==(UDIC)==-
Ian Currie
DirectSound device (also have an SBLive), but have since upgraded the card
to a M-Audio Delta 66...
Are you using driver version 5.06?
The auto-detect code hasn't changed in a long time (far as I know) and it
uses the typical Miles' Sound System, but we'll check into it.
Ian Currie
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Knight37
> This is a legitimate forum, open for discussion, constructive
> criticism is warranted, given my beta testing experience I am entitled
> to ask questions. Are you Charles' keeper if not butt out and let him
> answer for himself.
Being an ass in a public place is still being an ass.
--
Knight37
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world,
where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster.
-- Agent Smith, "The Matrix"
akhv
"Ian Currie" <icurrieRep...@home.com> сообщил/сообщила в новостях
следующее:
> Hmm... Strange. I played/tested Wiz8 using an Echo Darla as my main
> DirectSound device (also have an SBLive), but have since upgraded the card
> to a M-Audio Delta 66...
>
> Are you using driver version 5.06?
>
> The auto-detect code hasn't changed in a long time (far as I know) and it
> uses the typical Miles' Sound System, but we'll check into it.
>
> Ian Currie
yes, i do use 5.06
running autodetect i hear some low level clicks and then it's lock-up
i tried to wait several minutes then ctrl-alt-del'd out of it
over and over
and i tried this
"Then, if it crashes while detecting your sound card, try this:
Start->Settings->Control Panel->MultiMedia
->Audio Playback->Advanced Properties
->Performance
Then drop the hardware acceleration slider one or two notches."
with no luck either
but my own problem is resolved (thanks to your answer)
i edited 3DVideo.CFG file
put "Echo Darla" instead of "none" in last line
after that demo works just fine
and - looks like you've done the best 1st person rpg ever
but you already know it:)
thank you
Ashot
Kevin
Draconian Dragon wrote:
<snip>
On an offside I found some of your questions were valid, however your attitude
was not very valid at all and was extremely condisending, any demo that comes out
before the game is out will always be a demo based on beta (if not alpha) code.
The demand for demo's before a game is out is extremely loud becuase frankly
people want to see what they may be buying soon. Most people do understand that
the demo product they are trying is not finished but it gives them a 'good idea'
of what the game will be like when it does come out.
Now I have seen final copies of a game in a store that you could accuse of using
the public as a 'beta test forum' however releasing a demo with beta code could
not be considered that, although there can be times where releasing this code CAN
find problems that may have been missed (or may not have been) this is again only
a posative thing and could never be considered negative.
I do agree you have the right to ask whatever question you like, but we would all
like to keep things polite and nice.
-Kevin
Cabel Blacke
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>
>
> Draconian Dragon wrote:
> <snip>
>
> On an offside I found some of your questions were valid, however your
attitude
> was not very valid at all and was extremely condisending,
Marcus Dracon. Lord Marcus the Defiler, the Troller, the Pathesda Pays Beta
Sux Demi-Demon from the farthest reaches of the Aussie outback. His
condescension, an aspect of his flawed character. His negativity, the stuff
of legend (at least in his own mind, that is...).
>
> Now I have seen final copies of a game in a store that you could accuse of
using
> the public as a 'beta test forum' however releasing a demo with beta code
could
> not be considered that, although there can be times where releasing this
code CAN
> find problems that may have been missed (or may not have been) this is
again only
> a posative thing and could never be considered negative.
Again, negativity is a way of life for this lowest of life-forms. He is a
Cleve Blakemore lapdog who loves to beat on anything Bethesda or anything
Sirtek. Can't wait for the many Morrowind-bashing posts...oh boy! oh boy!
>
> I do agree you have the right to ask whatever question you like, but we
would all
> like to keep things polite and nice.
Good luck once Lord Marcus enters the fray. You've been warned ;)
--CB
Paul Gilbert
> Grimoire was beta tested 2 years ago, but was flawed so Cleve did a
> complete re build which due to financial constraints took this long.
I'm still keeping an open mind about the final release of Grimoire. After
all, we never thought Avalon would be released, but it did - sort of
[rec.arts.int-fiction]. Here's hoping that the intervening two years have
given Cleve a chance to put some polish on the game. He may be a bit of an
arsehole, but a good game is a good game. :)
Paul Gilbert
> Hang on this will be released on the 15th of November. Logically the
> demo must be a copy of the final release, not a beta. I ask
> legitimate questions which are not condescending, isn't there a thing
> called freedom of speech or something??? Newsgroup nazis think
> otherwise obviously.
Actually, it's extremely unlikely. If you remember, Sir Tech stated that
they'd had the demo ready for months, but didn't want to release it until
they'd secured a publisher. And of course, it turns out the sticking point
for finding a publisher was their original condition that the publisher also
fund the development of Wizardry 9. So they obvioussly wouldn't want to redo
the demo with the latest code so close the release date.
Can anyone confirm that the demo is the same "press release" demo from
several months ago?
Cabel Blacke
> Whoa there space cadet I am not a lapdog of Cleve Blakemore
Umm...okay...If I did some hunting around I think I could produce an old
post or two from begone days that speak otherwise ;) Are you saying you're
now a kinder, gentler Lord Marcus Dracon, and wish to be treated as such??
If so, I'll try and honor your wishes...while keeping my guard up and
recommending others do the same....Charles Miles is a gifted developer and a
good contributor to this newsgroup; I'm sure he can take care of himself. I
was only warning any comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg newbies to avoid full-fledged
confrontation with a known troll.
I am
> entitled to ask valid questions of a product that I was going to beta
> test just as Cleve is as we were on the original design team. Certain
> personality flawed people caused this to split (Not Cleve or myself)
> I wish Sir Tech well in their endeavors to get off the floor and
> Charles the developer has acknowledged this. This a forum for
> discussion on RPGs not a personal flame war forum.
Again, past experience might prove otherwise....but I'll take your word for
it that you're trying to clean up your act.
I want Wizardry 8
> to be successful and looking at and finishing the demo it is a
> distinct possibility as it is predominantly bug free (auto detect
> problems aside)
Well, you are being quite nice and civil now aren't you?? Will you be this
cozy with User Pays Beta Sux Pathesda when Neverwind is released in a few
months? We'll see......
--CB
Novanus
<pRxE7.414620$j65.10...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>:
>Hmm... Strange. I played/tested Wiz8 using an Echo Darla as my main
>DirectSound device (also have an SBLive), but have since upgraded the card
>to a M-Audio Delta 66...
>Ian Currie
Off-topic, but how has that card (M-Audio Delta 66) worked for you with
respect to gaming? I currently have 2 cards in my system, that one and an
MX300. The reason I haven't booted the Aureal is I suspected the Delta 66
wouldn't be good for gaming, as it is a pro/semi-pro card designed mainly
for hard disk recording applications.
Thanks.
---
novanus
Ian Currie
So far the card has worked, but I've only been playing DAoC and POR2 with
it, so I haven't really given it a fair shake. Because I can always switch
the OS to use my SBlive, it wasn't really a concern for me. You don't get
EAX effects (obviously), but since I use professional monitors (Mackie
HR824's), there's a big difference in sound quality over the SBlive and it's
always a bonus if I can play a game using the pro card.
When I had my Echo Darla, I don't think I ever experienced incompatibilities
and always used that card for gaming.
Ian
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