Diablo: what is best bow?
Eric Dunkelberger
I am trying to decide what hte best bow is for my rogue. Currently he
uses a bow of lightning. This is good except for lightning resistant
monsters. Any help?
Eric
Mark Asher
The two most popular are Windforce and Eaglehorn, both unique items.
Windforce does more damage and has the knockback effect, which can be good
or bad. It forces you to re-aim every time you hit since your target gets
knocked back, so some don't like it. Eaglehorn doesn't do as much damage
but still does a lot and is indestructible as well. There are some other
modifiers for these bows, but I can't recall them offhand.
Mark Asher
Eric Dunkelberger <dun...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
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Maureen Grady
Eric Dunkelberger <dun...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I am trying to decide what hte best bow is for my rogue. Currently he
>uses a bow of lightning. This is good except for lightning resistant
>monsters. Any help?
>Eric
I am trying to decide this also. I've got a Rogue char who just hit
lvl 30 and have tried lots of bows with her, mostly got em from wirt
except uniques found in hell.
Everybody loves Windforce and Eaglehorn but I don't like them as much
as my Weird bows. I just love the +eighty something to hit. I don't
like to miss. Even if it takes more shots (because of less damage)
it's nice to keep the bad guys pinned down by not missing. So far, my
favorite bow is my Weird Bow of Heavens. It's just base 4-8 damage
but when I wear it and some "of Perfection" stuff, I have a to hit of
about 275%. I'm hoping to get over 300%.
Anyway, I'm longing to fiind a Weird Bow of Haste.
K. Laisathit
In article <01bc283b$3dcf2b60$679edaa5@marka>,
Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>The two most popular are Windforce and Eaglehorn, both unique items.
>Windforce does more damage and has the knockback effect, which can be good
>or bad. It forces you to re-aim every time you hit since your target gets
>knocked back, so some don't like it. Eaglehorn doesn't do as much damage
>but still does a lot and is indestructible as well. There are some other
>modifiers for these bows, but I can't recall them offhand.
I think the modifiers for bows are pretty limited. I run level 31 rogue
with windforce. Now, I've seen weird bows, warrior bows and Savage
bow that's about it. As for suffix, well, the heaven seems to be the
highest it will go.
Now, I don't care much about to-hit modifier, since I rarely miss with to
hit in the high 100s. The problem in high difficulty is that she never
does enough damage to stop those damn knights from swamping her. Blood
Knights in Hell/Nightmare have 700 hit point, my rogue does an average of
just over 60, with 90 being the max damage. As you can see, it takes
an average of more than 10 hits just to drop a single blood knight.
I don't see how she can survive with anything less than Windforce.
Now, a Mercilous bow of Carnage might be able to deliver more damage,
even better a King's bow of Carnage. However, I don't think either of
these two exists.
Later...
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K I R A T I L A I S A T H I T kir...@u.washington.edu
jay...@pacbell.net
I had a Massive Bow of Perfection for a long time now.
1-14 damage, +108% dam, +30 dex! I got this when I was level 10+ or so
but I needed the requirements for it 50 STR, 80 DEX so i held onto to it.
Then I found Savage bow of Burning. 1-14 +145% dam, 1-16 Fire 50str 80dex.
I am not sure if the 1-16 fire damage is shown in the 'C' character sheet.
It's cool casuse it illuminates where my arrow travels.
But I still like the Massive Bow of Perfection best!
Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Order of the Silverblades
Mark Asher
I haven't played a rogue yet, but it sounds like you have your hands full.
My 35th level sorcerer has similar problems in hell/hell with creatures
like Soulburners who are immune to everything but stone curse and a
physical attack. These babes are carrying almost a 1000 hit points and my
sorcerer has to whack on them about 15 times to kill them.
Mark Asher
K. Laisathit <kir...@u.washington.edu> wrote in article
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K. Laisathit
In article <331C9C...@pacbell.net>, <jay...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I am trying to decide what hte best bow is for my rogue. Currently he
>> >uses a bow of lightning. This is good except for lightning resistant
>> >monsters. Any help?
>>
>1-14 damage, +108% dam, +30 dex! I got this when I was level 10+ or so
>but I needed the requirements for it 50 STR, 80 DEX so i held onto to it.
>
>Then I found Savage bow of Burning. 1-14 +145% dam, 1-16 Fire 50str 80dex.
>I am not sure if the 1-16 fire damage is shown in the 'C' character sheet.
>It's cool casuse it illuminates where my arrow travels.
>
>But I still like the Massive Bow of Perfection best!
Out of curiosity, how much damage does she do with a Massive
bow of Perfection? It seems to me that with all the modifiers, the
bow delivers around 2-29 plus 6 more damage point from the perfection
modifier, making it a total of 8-35, an average of 21.5. Let's see,
a Windforce will do around 3-42, an average of 22.5. Hmmm, can you
check if this is indeed the case?
Eric P. Lee
Greetings!
I am using Windforce right now and I think it's great... monsters can't
hurt you if they can't get next to you! (most of the time) I haven't
seen an Eaglehorn yet, but I suppose the indestructibility is a boon
when yer on a long trip into hell and/or don't want to spend the $$$ to
repair the durn thing.
In anycase, I've heard lots of stories about the Merciless Bow of Thunder
(bonus to damage plus lightning). I dunno if there is such thing as any
Bow of Haste, but I'd love to see that... imagine a Needler doing 1-14
base damage at an even faster rate... Gatling cannon comes to mind...
hehe. In anycase, don't settle for anything less than the bows based on
the Long War Bows... 1-14 base damage... you'll need 'em in hell.
-Scootle, 27th Rank Rogue
Guild of Savage Truth
jay...@pacbell.net wrote:
: Maureen Grady wrote:
: >
: > Eric Dunkelberger <dun...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: > >I am trying to decide what hte best bow is for my rogue. Currently he
: > >uses a bow of lightning. This is good except for lightning resistant
: > >monsters. Any help?
: >
: > >Eric
: >
: > I am trying to decide this also. I've got a Rogue char who just hit
: > lvl 30 and have tried lots of bows with her, mostly got em from wirt
: > except uniques found in hell.
: >
: > Everybody loves Windforce and Eaglehorn but I don't like them as much
: > as my Weird bows. I just love the +eighty something to hit. I don't
: > like to miss. Even if it takes more shots (because of less damage)
: > it's nice to keep the bad guys pinned down by not missing. So far, my
: > favorite bow is my Weird Bow of Heavens. It's just base 4-8 damage
: > but when I wear it and some "of Perfection" stuff, I have a to hit of
: > about 275%. I'm hoping to get over 300%.
: >
: > Anyway, I'm longing to fiind a Weird Bow of Haste.
:
: I had a Massive Bow of Perfection for a long time now.
: 1-14 damage, +108% dam, +30 dex! I got this when I was level 10+ or so
: but I needed the requirements for it 50 STR, 80 DEX so i held onto to it.
:
: Then I found Savage bow of Burning. 1-14 +145% dam, 1-16 Fire 50str 80dex.
: I am not sure if the 1-16 fire damage is shown in the 'C' character sheet.
: It's cool casuse it illuminates where my arrow travels.
:
: But I still like the Massive Bow of Perfection best!
:
: Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Order of the Silverblades
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>
>In anycase, I've heard lots of stories about the Merciless Bow of Thunder
>(bonus to damage plus lightning). I dunno if there is such thing as any
>Bow of Haste, but I'd love to see that... imagine a Needler doing 1-14
>base damage at an even faster rate... Gatling cannon comes to mind...
>hehe. In anycase, don't settle for anything less than the bows based on
>the Long War Bows... 1-14 base damage... you'll need 'em in hell.
>
>-Scootle, 27th Rank Rogue
> Guild of Savage Truth
Has anyone noticied that the long battle and long war bows look the
same? The short war and battle bows look different. Why not the long
ones? There is even a graphic that looks like a long version of the
short war bow. I found it using some of the editors. Is this a bug?
Jason Merrill
>>>>> Eric P Lee <leeep@soda> writes:
> I dunno if there is such thing as any Bow of Haste, but I'd love to see
> that... imagine a Needler doing 1-14 base damage at an even faster
> rate... Gatling cannon comes to mind... hehe.
I have a Bow of Swiftness in my archive, but it seems to shoot arrows at
the same rate as a normal bow. Ditto for the Needler. Has anyone noticed
any difference?
Jason
Maureen Grady
kir...@u.washington.edu (K. Laisathit) wrote:
>Now, I don't care much about to-hit modifier, since I rarely miss with to
>hit in the high 100s. The problem in high difficulty is that she never
>does enough damage to stop those damn knights from swamping her. Blood
>Knights in Hell/Nightmare have 700 hit point, my rogue does an average of
>just over 60, with 90 being the max damage. As you can see, it takes
>an average of more than 10 hits just to drop a single blood knight.
>I don't see how she can survive with anything less than Windforce.
>Now, a Mercilous bow of Carnage might be able to deliver more damage,
>even better a King's bow of Carnage. However, I don't think either of
>these two exists.
First a disclaimer, I think I play pretty well as a mage, but not so
as a rogue; so my thoughts should be taken with a grain of salt.
I like to get all my introductions to new levels playing solo, to see
if I'm really up to it. My rogue hit level 30 and could solo
nightmare caves so it was time for nightmare hell. I took her in
yesterday and it was not so much difficult as it was EXTREMEMLY
TEDIOUS (compared to my mage).
First off, there are a few ESSENTIAL spells that she had to have:
1. Mana shield.
2. Bone spriit (yes, bone spirit)
3. Elemental
4. Charge bolt.
Number 1 is obvious. 2-4 are needed to bring the bad guys to you one
or two at a time. Bone spirit and elemental are especially good at
this, and charge bolt is needed for those monsters that are immune to
both magic and fire.
So basically, she stands in some safe place and casts bone spirit. If
it hits a nonmagic immune, they will come to you and you pick them
off. If it alters course but there's no accompanying "grunt" sound
then there's some magic immune there so try same thing with elemental.
If same, then you have to try charge bolt which is much more of a crap
shoot but works.
Bottom line- it took about 3 1/2 hours to completely clear out levels
13-15 in Nightmare mode. There were a couple of close calls, when I
got impatient (which was easy to do at that pace).
Maureen Grady
Jason Merrill <ja...@yorick.cygnus.com> wrote:
>I have a Bow of Swiftness in my archive, but it seems to shoot arrows at
>the same rate as a normal bow. Ditto for the Needler. Has anyone noticed
>any difference?
I have a topaz bow of swiftness and tried very hard to tell if it was
really faster. If it is, it isn't by much.
But, at least it makes me believe that bows of haste might exist- AND
I WANT ONE!
Mark Asher
I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might be
superflous for them.
Mark Asher
Maureen Grady <q...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
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Maureen Grady
"Mark Asher" <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might be
>superflous for them.
Might be. But then warriors already swing a sword at a faster rate
than mages, yet the haste helps them swing faster.
Mark Asher
Um...your logic is unassailable. Could it be that warriors swing fast but
not at haste speeds but rogues already shoot at haste speeds? That or bows
simply don't have a counterpart to haste weapons? You've crippled my
argument. I demand that you come up with the answer now. <g>
Mark Asher
Jason Merrill
>>>>> Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> writes:
> I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might be
> superflous for them.
I tried it with a Warrior, too. It didn't make any difference for him,
either.
Jason
K. Laisathit
In article <01bc2935$6a7fd7e0$679edaa5@marka>,
Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>> >I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might
>be
>> >superflous for them.
>>
>> Might be. But then warriors already swing a sword at a faster rate
>> than mages, yet the haste helps them swing faster.
>
>Um...your logic is unassailable. Could it be that warriors swing fast but
>not at haste speeds but rogues already shoot at haste speeds? That or bows
>simply don't have a counterpart to haste weapons? You've crippled my
>argument. I demand that you come up with the answer now. <g>
There exists a unique item, 'the Needler', which features fast attack.
While I haven't tried it out on my current Rogue, I doubt that Blizzard would
have put in fast attack modifier if it does nothing to Rogue's firing
speed. BTW, I did a little experiment the other day with Haste item on
a Rogue versus arrow shooting speed. I seems that Rogue can shoot arrow
at slightly faster rate than she can swing with an item of haste. The
difference is around 10% or slightly more. She shoot around 100 arrows
within 1 minute and swing around 90 times within that same time period.
If anything, I'm beginning to wonder if a haste item equipped rogue
might be a viable strategy in some situation, since she can wear shield
under this condition.
Maureen Grady
"Mark Asher" <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>Um...your logic is unassailable. Could it be that warriors swing fast but
>not at haste speeds but rogues already shoot at haste speeds? That or bows
>simply don't have a counterpart to haste weapons? You've crippled my
>argument. I demand that you come up with the answer now. <g>
Well, I actually spent 45 minutes hanging out in the b.net tech
support channel last night to ask a few of these burning questions.
See note "Diablo: Tech support channel"
Mark Asher
I saw it. Pretty appalling. The Hydra and Wyrm's prefixes are listed in the
Strategy guide. I guess that got hacked also. <g>
The tech support people on their web site seem to be professional at least.
Mark Asher
Maureen Grady <q...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<5fmrju$d...@camel1.mindspring.com>...
Eric P. Lee
Hi all.
Jason Merrill (ja...@yorick.cygnus.com) wrote:
: >>>>> Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> writes:
:
: > I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might be
: > superflous for them.
:
: I tried it with a Warrior, too. It didn't make any difference for him,
: either.
Um... not true... warriors DO swing faster with the Haste weaps. Blizzard
simply programs the Haste modifier to skip some frame of animation when
you swing... thus yer "faster." However, Rogues seem to shoot faster with
high dexterity no matter what happens... so high level rogues may or may
not benefit from Haste mods...
: >> Jason Merrill <ja...@yorick.cygnus.com> wrote:
: >>
: >> >I have a Bow of Swiftness in my archive, but it seems to shoot arrows
: >> >at the same rate as a normal bow. Ditto for the Needler. Has anyone
: >> >noticed any difference?
Yeah... the Needler doesn't seem any faster to me.. the damage sux too.
-Scootle, 28th Rank Rogue
Guild of Savage Truth
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Jason Merrill
>>>>> Eric P Lee <leeep@soda> writes:
> Hi all.
> Jason Merrill (ja...@yorick.cygnus.com) wrote:
> : >>>>> Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> writes:
> :
> : > I think Rogues already shoot at a "hasted" rate. The speed boost might be
> : > superflous for them.
> :
> : I tried it with a Warrior, too. It didn't make any difference for him,
> : either.
> Um... not true... warriors DO swing faster with the Haste weaps.
Sure, but my point was that a warrior doesn't shoot arrows faster from a
Bow of Swiftness.
Jason
Yellow Four
> "Mark Asher" <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>
> >Um...your logic is unassailable. Could it be that warriors swing fast but
> >not at haste speeds but rogues already shoot at haste speeds? That or bows
> >simply don't have a counterpart to haste weapons? You've crippled my
> >argument. I demand that you come up with the answer now. <g>
there are four 'haste modifiers': of readiness, swiftness, speed and
haste. the first two are for: bows, staves, and normal weapons. the
last two are only for staves and normal weapons. they are listed in
increasing efficacy, ie haste are worth more than readiness. hope this
helps.
btw, i am compiling some lists based on the findings in the exe file,
soon to be released.
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Silverlock
On 4 Mar 1997 20:25:11 GMT, kir...@u.washington.edu (K. Laisathit)
wrote:
>In article <01bc283b$3dcf2b60$679edaa5@marka>,
>Mark Asher <ma...@impacttech.com> wrote:
>>The two most popular are Windforce and Eaglehorn, both unique items.
>>Windforce does more damage and has the knockback effect, which can be good
>>or bad. It forces you to re-aim every time you hit since your target gets
>>knocked back, so some don't like it. Eaglehorn doesn't do as much damage
>>but still does a lot and is indestructible as well. There are some other
>>modifiers for these bows, but I can't recall them offhand.
>
>I think the modifiers for bows are pretty limited. I run level 31 rogue
>with windforce. Now, I've seen weird bows, warrior bows and Savage
>bow that's about it. As for suffix, well, the heaven seems to be the
>highest it will go.
>
>Now, I don't care much about to-hit modifier, since I rarely miss with to
>hit in the high 100s. The problem in high difficulty is that she never
>does enough damage to stop those damn knights from swamping her. Blood
>Knights in Hell/Nightmare have 700 hit point, my rogue does an average of
>just over 60, with 90 being the max damage. As you can see, it takes
>an average of more than 10 hits just to drop a single blood knight.
>
>I don't see how she can survive with anything less than Windforce.
>Now, a Mercilous bow of Carnage might be able to deliver more damage,
>even better a King's bow of Carnage. However, I don't think either of
>these two exists.
>
>Later...
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>K I R A T I L A I S A T H I T kir...@u.washington.edu
What they really need for a rouge is a new prefix called Swarm
which only applies to bows and which causes the arrow when fired to
split into 3-5 travelling out in a 30 - 45% path. Sort of like the
weapon in my tagline which should be familiar to anyone who has played
either of the two Crusader games. A suffix 'of marksmanship' would
allow the arrows to Only hit monsters (in friendly mode only) and to
have a chance for a critical hit kill. ie each arrow has a chance of
causing death.
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