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Bill Seurer

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Sep 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/30/96
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I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
my talking politely to EVERYONE. So, how do I improve it? My other two
primary skills have gone really high but I am stuck at level 3.

Bugs found so far:
1) Crashes that reboots my system.
2) Crashes that the game catches that recommends I reboot.
3) Impossible quests of several varieties the most common being "Go to
Somewhere and talk to Someone in Someplace". When I get to Somewhere
no one knows of Someone (doesn't appear on the list of topics) nor do
they know of Someplace. I've hit this 4 or 5 times now.
4) Jumping through the walls bug.
5) In Daggerfall the guards suddenly are after me and I don't know why.
I haven't done a thing that's illegal. Grrr.
6) If you save in a guild and then restore there the people inside are
gone!
7) For one quest I searched the whole place but one underwater bit for
the Orc Warlord I was supposed to remove. As I stood on the edge
of the water contemplating what to do up popped the "You've defeated
him" message. Huh?
8) Crash where the text box turned pink and hung the system.

Geeze, that's just from 2 days of playing (maybe 8 or 10 hours) and I
know I hit 4 or 5 more.
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Jordan Petlev

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Oct 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/2/96
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On 30 Sep 1996 19:42:28 GMT, seu...@nordruth.rchland.ibm.com (Bill
Seurer) wrote:

>I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
>my talking politely to EVERYONE. So, how do I improve it? My other two
>primary skills have gone really high but I am stuck at level 3.

Talking polite all the time should increase etiquette like you
say but if not there is someone who teaches it. Unfortunaly I don't
know where or who. I'd check some of the daggerfall internet pages
(not bethseda's but some on thier links page or use YAHOO and search
for daggerfall) One of those pages had a list of all the people who
teach and what the courses are.


>Bugs found so far:
> 1) Crashes that reboots my system.
> 2) Crashes that the game catches that recommends I reboot.
> 3) Impossible quests of several varieties the most common being "Go to
> Somewhere and talk to Someone in Someplace". When I get to Somewhere
> no one knows of Someone (doesn't appear on the list of topics) nor do
> they know of Someplace. I've hit this 4 or 5 times now.

Thought I had this problem too but double check your LOG and
you might find exactly where this person is. Also many buildings,
including shops taverns, etc.. have multiple floors and i've even
found a guild with a "back door" though it led no where. Keep looking
in the location it says and "TALK" to everyone, even the shop keepers,
they are often the person you are sent to find.


4) Jumping through the walls bug.
> 5) In Daggerfall the guards suddenly are after me and I don't know why.
> I haven't done a thing that's illegal. Grrr.
> 6) If you save in a guild and then restore there the people inside are
> gone!
> 7) For one quest I searched the whole place but one underwater bit for
> the Orc Warlord I was supposed to remove. As I stood on the edge
> of the water contemplating what to do up popped the "You've defeated
> him" message. Huh?

Had the exact same problem but it never said "DEFEATED" or
anything, tried to go thru the water but didn't have the
waterbreathing spell yet. As for you victory, you probably got close
enought to the enemy for him to come toward you. Right through the
water even. He most likely drowned trying to get to you (though i've
never seen npc's enter water, it's the only explanation i can think of
unless there was another monster around which killed him, i've seen
that happen.

Ken Fishkin

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Oct 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/4/96
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Bill Seurer wrote:
>
> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
> my talking politely to EVERYONE.

according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
if you talk politely _in court_.


--
Ken Fishkin fis...@acm.org
http://www.parc.xerox.com/fishkin

Scott R. Haas

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Oct 5, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/5/96
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Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:


So the solution is to get arrested a lot??

Scott R. Haas
srh...@midwest.net


R Cason R

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Oct 5, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/5/96
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<improving ettiquette>
Supposedly if you talk to people using the pllite mode it will go up. The
patch is supposed to have fixed the problem of it not increasing
correctly.

John Alcock

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96
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Well, I haven't seen it yet. Pre- or post-patch, neither my Etiquette
nor my Streetwise has EVER gone up naturally (and I use Blunt all the
time).

Bjorn Lovoll

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96
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I spent the better part of a day(a real day, not a game day) just talking
to people to see if there was going to be an increase in those skills, but
they didn't budge. I was using both polite & blunt as the mood struck me.
I was trying to figure out how to get the DarkBrother quest solved, I can
find the house, deliver the poison, but no matter what I do, he never dies.
Wish I could just slide a shank in his back.


John Alcock <jal...@watson.ibm.com> wrote in article
<53be8v$1c...@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>...

Karl Davis

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96
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In article <5355i5$r...@sparky.midwest.net>, srh...@midwest.net says...
It would be nice if there were someplace to learn it.


E

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96
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I can not get my etiquette or streetwise up except via training.

Eric


R. McPherson

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96
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On 7 Oct 1996, Bjorn Lovoll wrote:

:I spent the better part of a day(a real day, not a game day) just talking


:to people to see if there was going to be an increase in those skills, but
:they didn't budge. I was using both polite & blunt as the mood struck me.
:I was trying to figure out how to get the DarkBrother quest solved, I can
:find the house, deliver the poison, but no matter what I do, he never dies.
:Wish I could just slide a shank in his back.


:> Well, I haven't seen it yet. Pre- or post-patch, neither my Etiquette


:> nor my Streetwise has EVER gone up naturally (and I use Blunt all the
:> time).

As a tip to raise magic skills, I was told that casting spells in
a dungeon, a graveyard, the fighter's guild, or a TAVERN will
work to make my magic skill go up. Apparently this is not true
if I sit and cast spells on the street.

Therefore, maybe this is the secret to streetwise also. Maybe
talking blunt only increases streetwise if it is done in a
dungeon or a tavern etc... ? Anyone know?

rjmc...@uci.edu R. McPherson, Psychobiology Dept, UC Irvine

Petzi

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96
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E <bal...@usa.pipeline.com> wrote in article
<53bujk$o...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>...

> I can not get my etiquette or streetwise up except via training.
>
> Eric
>
>
TRAIN ETTIQUETTE????
Hell, where?
Thanx!
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--------------------------------------------
Peter Schweda (s...@advge.magwien.gv.at)
Software Development - Healthcare Department
Municipality of the City of Vienna, Austria


Bill Seurer

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96
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In article <53be8v$1c...@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>, jal...@watson.ibm.com (John Alcock) writes:
|> rca...@aol.com (R Cason R) wrote:
|>
|> ><improving ettiquette>
|> >Supposedly if you talk to people using the pllite mode it will go up. The
|> >patch is supposed to have fixed the problem of it not increasing
|> >correctly.
|>
|> Well, I haven't seen it yet. Pre- or post-patch, neither my Etiquette
|> nor my Streetwise has EVER gone up naturally (and I use Blunt all the
|> time).

I've been talking 'til my character faints from lack of break (always
Polite) and his Etiquette hasn't gone up a point.

Victor Rios

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96
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Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg: 8-Oct-96 Re:
Daggerfall: improving E.. by Bill Seu...@nordruth.rch
> In article <53be8v$1c...@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,
jal...@watson.ibm.com (John A
> lcock) writes:
> |> rca...@aol.com (R Cason R) wrote:
> |>
> |> ><improving ettiquette>
> |> >Supposedly if you talk to people using the pllite mode it will go up. The
> |> >patch is supposed to have fixed the problem of it not increasing
> |> >correctly.
> |>
> |> Well, I haven't seen it yet. Pre- or post-patch, neither my Etiquette
> |> nor my Streetwise has EVER gone up naturally (and I use Blunt all the
> |> time).
>
> I've been talking 'til my character faints from lack of break (always
> Polite) and his Etiquette hasn't gone up a point.

Try talking politely to Nobles (usually in Castles such as Castle
Daggerfall, Castle Wayrest, Castle Sentinel, etc.) I've found that this
has increased my etiquette skill.


- Vic "Just my 2 cents" Rios
vr...@andrew.cmu.edu


Greg, Anne, and Tom Ricketts

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Oct 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/10/96
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srh...@midwest.net (Scott R. Haas) wrote:

>Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:

>>Bill Seurer wrote:
>>>
>>> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
>>> my talking politely to EVERYONE.

>>according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
>>if you talk politely _in court_.


>So the solution is to get arrested a lot??

Royal Court. You know, Kings, queens, princes, people like that.


>Scott R. Haas
>srh...@midwest.net


Roger Books

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Oct 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/10/96
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> >Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:


Well, the hint book claims that at least one of the temples
can train ettiquette and streetwise. I think it is the goddess
of beauty but I don't remember for sure.

Roger

uglm...@cc.memphis.edu

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Oct 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/11/96
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In article <53hm6s$i...@news.imperium.net>, rick...@imperium.net (Greg, Anne, and Tom Ricketts) writes:
> srh...@midwest.net (Scott R. Haas) wrote:
>
>>Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:
>
>>>Bill Seurer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
>>>> my talking politely to EVERYONE.
>
>>>according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
>>>if you talk politely _in court_.
>
>
>>>--
>>>Ken Fishkin fis...@acm.org
>>>http://www.parc.xerox.com/fishkin
>
>
>>So the solution is to get arrested a lot??
>
> Royal Court. You know, Kings, queens, princes, people like that.
>
>
>>Scott R. Haas
>>srh...@midwest.net
>
>
>

Get the patch. It fixes Ettiquette and Streetwise, or claims to.

--
If Superman can fly, why can't super models?

Check out my home page (CCGs, classic computers, Revolution BBS):
http://www.people.memphis.edu/~uglmiller/home.htm (under construction)

Brian Griffin

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Oct 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/11/96
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uglm...@cc.memphis.edu inscribed on cyberspace:

>Get the patch. It fixes Ettiquette and Streetwise, or claims to.
>

Under the patch, I've actually had my Etiquette improve once, just
from polite talking (haven't been to court yet). All my blunt talking
hasn't netted me any streetwise improvement, though......


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Fyrdrake

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Oct 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/12/96
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uglm...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
>
> In article <53hm6s$i...@news.imperium.net>, rick...@imperium.net (Greg, Anne, and Tom Ricketts) writes:
> > srh...@midwest.net (Scott R. Haas) wrote:
> >
> >>Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>Bill Seurer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
> >>>> my talking politely to EVERYONE.
> >
> >>>according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
> >>>if you talk politely _in court_.
> >
> >
> >>>--
> >>>Ken Fishkin fis...@acm.org
> >>>http://www.parc.xerox.com/fishkin
> >
> >
> >>So the solution is to get arrested a lot??
> >
> > Royal Court. You know, Kings, queens, princes, people like that.
> >
> >
> >>Scott R. Haas
> >>srh...@midwest.net
> >
> >
> >
>
> Get the patch. It fixes Ettiquette and Streetwise, or claims to.
>
> --
> If Superman can fly, why can't super models?
>
> Check out my home page (CCGs, classic computers, Revolution BBS):
> http://www.people.memphis.edu/~uglmiller/home.htm (under construction)

Odd, I'm a battlemage, and my etiquette skill has improved several
times,and I have yet to go to court. I wonder if talking to the nobility
in the taverns helps?

Rune Fostervoll

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Oct 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/12/96
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The book claims talking politely improves etiquette while talking
bluntly improves streetwise. Also, talking politely is more effective at
court, while it is more effective talking bluntly w. thieves/shadowy
people.

Whatever. Haven't increased much. But then, I'm not a charming fellow.

--
Rune Fostervoll, run...@ifi.uio.no
----------------------------------
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-Ambrose Bierce

Algar of Syngar

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Oct 13, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/13/96
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Perhaps by court them mean before the royal court ? Not before a judge.
I have yet to see my streetwise or etiquette go up.

-Al

Beast

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Oct 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/16/96
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Or you could go to the town of Vanford in Daggerfall, and join the
temple of zen. There you can train in etiquette and
mercantilism...and streetwise (i think).

Beast


William Harris

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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In article <326001...@ifi.uio.no>, run...@ifi.uio.no says...

>The book claims talking politely improves etiquette while talking
>bluntly improves streetwise. Also, talking politely is more effective at
>court, while it is more effective talking bluntly w. thieves/shadowy
>people.

I talk to -everyone- outside bluntly, -everyone- in court politely. I have
yet to get any improvement in either stat.

Bethesda - this is still broken, despite your "fix" in the first patch.
--
William Harris


Gerald Hayes

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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75176...@compuserve.com (William Harris) wrote:

Or the second patch.....

Tim Iverson

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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In article <54mcu1$t...@ns.oar.net>,

William Harris <75176...@compuserve.com> wrote:
|In article <326001...@ifi.uio.no>, run...@ifi.uio.no says...
|>The book claims talking politely improves etiquette while talking
|>bluntly improves streetwise. Also, talking politely is more effective at
|>court, while it is more effective talking bluntly w. thieves/shadowy
|>people.
|
|I talk to -everyone- outside bluntly, -everyone- in court politely. I have
|yet to get any improvement in either stat.
|
|Bethesda - this is still broken, despite your "fix" in the first patch.

I made a PC with the dagger at 0.3 and 4% etiquette/streetwise to test this.
This PC gains skill in either almost every time he talks, whether to
peasants or nobles. It does seem like skill and attribute get *used* only
on the initial question. So, to practice, you'll need to switch modes
between each question.


- Tim Iverson
ive...@lionheart.com

Bill Blake

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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Certain temples offer etiquette skills as part of their training.
Try the temple of Mara or Dibella!

Marc Chapleau

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Nov 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/21/96
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Ken Fishkin <fis...@parc.xerox.com> wrote:

>Bill Seurer wrote:
>>
>> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved despite
>> my talking politely to EVERYONE.

>according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
>if you talk politely _in court_.

With nobles and with merchants!

Marc Chapleau
rae...@total.net

tornado

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Nov 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/21/96
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guess what...I never never gotten my etiquette skill to increase and I gave
up on my knight and started a nice chaotic character. There is no benefit
to being a nice guy in daggerfall :-)

Marc Chapleau <rae...@total.net> wrote in article
<570scs$j...@newsfeeder.total.net>...

STEN

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Nov 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/22/96
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tornado <tor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<01bbd7fe$2b649e20$6daf5ccf@#tornado>...


> guess what...I never never gotten my etiquette skill to increase and I
gave
> up on my knight and started a nice chaotic character. There is no benefit
> to being a nice guy in daggerfall :-)

There almost never are

Kirati Laisathit

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Nov 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/26/96
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In article <01bbd7fe$2b649e20$6daf5ccf@#tornado>,
tornado <tor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>guess what...I never never gotten my etiquette skill to increase and I gave
>up on my knight and started a nice chaotic character. There is no benefit
>to being a nice guy in daggerfall :-)
>

>> >> I chose a Knight class and my Etiquette skill has never improved
>despite
>> >> my talking politely to EVERYONE.
>>
>> >according to the Bethesda AOL rep, Etiquette skill only improves
>> >if you talk politely _in court_.
>>
>> With nobles and with merchants!

Nope, actually using polite style to peasant works as well. The thing
is that you have to talk to an awful lot of people for the skill to
advance. (My etiquette is around 50 now, to increase the skill I need
to speak to 25-30 people, my difficulty dagger during character
creation is around 0.6 or 0.7) Actually, I think etiquette and
streetwise are pretty easy to improve, I don't say that it's fun
though. Getting one point increase involves horrible tedium of
clicking on every passer-by so that you can give a meaningless chat.

There is one caveat, as someone else pointed out, the skill is in itself
not very useful, if it has any use at all. However, I once avoided a
jail sentence by pleading not guilty and arguing my case. I should point
out that my legal reputation went from common to undependable as a
result. Pleading guilty would have leave me with a dependable reputation.
Not that it matters one way or another, of course.

Later...

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