Wizardry 8 and party-based RPGs
Jason
I was at work today thinking about the next RPG to have a look at. Although
I have The Witcher and haven't played it yet I'm looking for a good
party-based RPG to waste some time on. I had Wiz 8, didn't finish it and
have no idea where the disks are now.
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy nowadays? I would love to
(legally) digitally download it, such a shame GoG doesn't have it yet (they
have other Sir-Tech stuff like Jagged Alliance). I live in Australia so just
heading down to Bestbuy or some other US retailer I vaguely know won't work.
Also am I missing anything in good party-based RPGs to still play? Here's
what I can think of off the top of my head that I have:
BG1 and 2
Fallouts
Might and Magic series
Jagged Alliances
NWN 1 and 2
Planescape
IWDs
Thanks!
Nostromo
+1000, Anno Domini:
Tried the Avernum series from Spidersoftware. They're retro & very 'old
school' indy crpgs from Jeff Vogel, but have more depth, story & gameplay
than a lot of commercial ones imo:
http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/products.html
http://www.avernum.com/
You can jump right in with #5 w/o needing to have played the previous ones.
They're also all shareware, so you can try 1/4-1/3 for free.
I also enjoyed Nethergate:Res, which is more Celtic/Roman
historically-based, with a lot of poetic license of course (like
magic/spells).
Geneforge are kind of party-based, mostly with NPCs & your summons joining
the party. The 5th installment is as polished an isometric crpg you'll find
anywhere.
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Nostromo
Jason
"Nostromo" <nos...@forme.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for that, but I knew I'd forget something. I have tried to demos for
a couple of the Avernum games, and I dunno.....they're those games that
everyone has recommended (well....people who like the same sort of thing I
do) but i just haven't been able to break through the initial stages to keep
going. I will need to give it another try.
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Jason <ricky...@netspace.net> wrote:
>
>I was at work today thinking about the next RPG to have a look at. Although
>I have The Witcher and haven't played it yet I'm looking for a good
>party-based RPG to waste some time on. I had Wiz 8, didn't finish it and
>have no idea where the disks are now.
>
>Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy nowadays? I would love to
>(legally) digitally download it, such a shame GoG doesn't have it yet (they
>have other Sir-Tech stuff like Jagged Alliance). I live in Australia so just
>heading down to Bestbuy or some other US retailer I vaguely know won't work.
I was about to razz you for not doing your own research, but after looking
myself I can't seem to find a copy either. None of the usual places have
any Wizardry titles in stock, and even the dodgy Amazon partner sellers
have only the collection CDs for absurd prices (which doesn't help you
because that set stops at Wizardry Gold.)
Who owns the Sir-Tech properties right now? Their website is still
running, although there's been no news update since 2002. You imagine
that one of the big conglomerates must own the rights to the name. We're
getting a new Might and Magic game this year[1], so a new Wizardry (or
even a remake of an older title) wouldn't be out of the question.
[1] Don't get too excited. If I recall correctly, the new Might and Magic
is a puzzle game for one of the handhelds.
-KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
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baby!" | io . com | http://www.io.com/~kkc
The Qurqirish Dragon
> In article <fu6dnaw7e4aHvNbXnZ2dnUVZ_tadn...@netspace.net.au>,
>
> We're
> getting a new Might and Magic game this year[1], so a new Wizardry (or
> even a remake of an older title) wouldn't be out of the question.
>
> [1] Don't get too excited. If I recall correctly, the new Might and Magic
> is a puzzle game for one of the handhelds.
It is coming out on the DS. I believe it is a turn-based strategy
game, where combat is resolved on a bejeweled-type mini-game (similar
to Puzzle Quest), but the type and strength of attacks/defenses is
based on the type of unit you line up/quantity/orientation.
> -KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
KB took a little getting used to, but it really was a good game. I
don't know how long you gave it, but if you only gave it a short* time
you may want to try it again**
*short, of course, depends on the individual
** assuming you didn't return / sell / trade / &c. the game away.
Wolfing
Try Drakensang
the world according to me
>
> Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy nowadays?
If anyone ever re-releases it then it would most likely be
http://www.gog.com They have a few Sir-Tech games there but only Jagged
Alliance series and no Wizardy series. You can make a request for them
to try and get rights to re-issue it in their forums. They have some
other old school RPG's you might want to take a look at. Fallout1 and 2
are the best they have there currently. I still have my copy of Wiz8 and
re-installed it not long ago because I never did finish it either. I
find it has a bit too much combat for me so will probably never finish it.
Carole Clark
"Jason" <ricky...@netspace.net> wrote in message
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Ebay has a few copies but they're ridiculously expensive!
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=wizardry+8&_sacat=See-All-Categories
Ross Ridge
>Also am I missing anything in good party-based RPGs to still play? Here's
>what I can think of off the top of my head that I have:
>
>BG1 and 2
>Fallouts
>Might and Magic series
>Jagged Alliances
>NWN 1 and 2
>Planescape
>IWDs
The only game I can recommend that's not on this list you still have a
decent chance of buying new these days is Knights of the Old Republic
and it's sequel.
Other party based games that you might be able to find in stores (but
I haven't played so can't recommend):
Drakensang: The Dark Eye (already mentioned)
Dungeon Siege: II
Jade Empire
Mass Effect
The Last Remnant (Japanese RPG)
Games that you should be able to buy via download:
Dangerous High School Girls in Trouble! (puzzle RPG)
Fallout: Tactics (so-so game)
Freedom Force
Septerra Core (Japanese RPG-style, boring combat)
Party based RPGs I've played, but good luck finding a copy:
Arcanum (good game)
Grandia II (good Japanese RPG)
Wizards and Warriors (hard to play on modern systems)
Ross Ridge
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Ross Ridge
>Who owns the Sir-Tech properties right now? Their website is still
>running, although there's been no news update since 2002. You imagine
>that one of the big conglomerates must own the rights to the name.
As far as I know Sir-Tech still owns the Wizardry name. Only their
US operations went bankrupt, the Canadian company still exists and is
presumably still making money off all those licensed Japanese Wizardry
games. Hmm... actually Japanese Wikipedia page for Wizardry seems to
say a Japanese company aquired the rights from Sir-Tech Canada in 2006,
but that might be only in Japan.
> We're getting a new Might and Magic game this year[1], so a new Wizardry
>(or even a remake of an older title) wouldn't be out of the question.
>
>[1] Don't get too excited. If I recall correctly, the new Might and Magic
>is a puzzle game for one of the handhelds.
I've been replaying Wizards and Warriors recently and been thinking how
the first person party based RPG is pretty much dead. It be nice to see a
decent new Might and Magic or Wizardry game, but I don't think it's going
to happen. The best we're likely to get is something in the style of
the original versions of these games on the Nintendo DS or maybe the PSP.
>-KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
The original or the recent release?
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Ross Ridge <rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kend...@nospam.io> wrote:
>>Who owns the Sir-Tech properties right now? Their website is still
>>running, although there's been no news update since 2002. You imagine
>>that one of the big conglomerates must own the rights to the name.
>
>As far as I know Sir-Tech still owns the Wizardry name. Only their
>US operations went bankrupt, the Canadian company still exists and is
>presumably still making money off all those licensed Japanese Wizardry
>games. Hmm... actually Japanese Wikipedia page for Wizardry seems to
>say a Japanese company aquired the rights from Sir-Tech Canada in 2006,
>but that might be only in Japan.
Wasn't that an ongoing license for the Japanese company? Wizardry took off
in Japan in a way that it didn't in the west, and they got a ton of
sequels and spin-offs that I'm still pissed about missing out on. But
you're right, either way that's probably local to the Asian markets and
doesn't help us get a copy of Wizardry 8, new or otherwise.
>I've been replaying Wizards and Warriors recently and been thinking how
>the first person party based RPG is pretty much dead. It be nice to see a
>decent new Might and Magic or Wizardry game, but I don't think it's going
>to happen. The best we're likely to get is something in the style of
>the original versions of these games on the Nintendo DS or maybe the PSP.
The first Persona game is getting a PSP remake. First person exploration
with classic turn-based combat. Only problem is that the characters are
all schoolchildren of some description, and it's got all the usual JRPG
hangups that give you headaches and cavities. :) Any first-person RPG from
this point forward is likely to be along the lines of Fallout and
Oblivion, and single-character to boot. I'm surprised that Two Worlds and
Dark Messiah didn't unleash a whole slew of imitators.
>>-KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
>
>The original or the recent release?
The original. I didn't like that the only feedback you got was via the
scrolling text field, which is fine for raw database status but doesn't do
anything for medieval fantasy immersion. I'm a little wary of the copy
protection scheme on the re-release, although I can't seem to remember if
that was Stardock or the other one.
-KKC, sneaking his gaming laptop into the meeting.
Dick Cheeze
> As far as I know Sir-Tech still owns the Wizardry name. Only their
> US operations went bankrupt, the Canadian company still exists and is
> presumably still making money off all those licensed Japanese Wizardry
> games.
I thought they went completely bankrupt but the below url suggest they
may still exist because the page was updated in 2008. Strategyfirst
(another Canadian company) owns rights to Jagged Alliance series now but
not Wizardry.
http://www.wizardry8.com/index800x600.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir-Tech
Sir-Tech Software, Inc. was a United States-based video game developer
and publisher founded by Robert Woodhead and Norman Sirotek. While the
original company closed its doors in 2001, its Canadian counter-part
Sir-Tech Canada continued to operate up until late 2003.
Nostromo
No worries, they do take a bit of 'getting past' the initial stages ;).
Wizardry 8 is an old-school favourite of a lot of ppl here, though I
never got into the series myself. I'd just suggest torrenting it, given
you did own it (as per the other post/thread, it's almost impossible to
get anywhere these days & is abandonware from that perspective, AFAIC).
Realms of Arkania series maybe...?
Seeing you seemed to have played most of the decent party-based crpgs of
the past 10 years, do you also play single-player ones? Lots & lots
there to recommend ;).
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Nostromo
Do ppl still use scambay these days? How...quaint. :)
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Nostromo
MetalGuru
> Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy nowadays? I would
> love to (legally) digitally download it, such a shame GoG doesn't have it
> yet (they have other Sir-Tech stuff like Jagged Alliance). I live in
> Australia so just heading down to Bestbuy or some other US retailer I
> vaguely know won't work.
Not sure how you'd feel about this but here it goes: binsearch.net is
showing that the Wizardry Ultimate Archives was posted to the a.b.old.games
group some 3 months ago (and so most premium Usenet service providers
with half decent retention would still have it) but that package only goes
up to Wizardry 7, IIRC.
Wizardry 8 gets requested and posted pretty regularly, though, so just ask
in one of the main groups and you should have it in a couple of days.
Nostromo
There is also this link to the most active torrent I could find on a
quick search:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1163720
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Lars Haugseth
>
> Ebay has a few copies but they're ridiculously expensive!
> http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=wizardry+8&_sacat=See-All-Categories
Just had a look, and found several UK sellers asking just over £20.
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Knot
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Including Amazon.co.uk merchants.
Jason
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Thanks for all the help guys! I'm going to try those UK options first.
Jason
Yeah I/have played alot of single player ones. I don't know if you have
similar urges, but sometimes I just really feel the need for a party-based
RPG. I love the single character stuff but the tactical combat on most of
the party-based ones can't be beaten.
Perhaps it's time to dig out Fallout Tactics or Jagged Alliance 2 again.
Ross Ridge
>As far as I know Sir-Tech still owns the Wizardry name. Only their
>US operations went bankrupt, the Canadian company still exists and is
>presumably still making money off all those licensed Japanese Wizardry
>games. Hmm... actually Japanese Wikipedia page for Wizardry seems to
>say a Japanese company aquired the rights from Sir-Tech Canada in 2006,
>but that might be only in Japan.
Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kend...@nospam.io> wrote:
>Wasn't that an ongoing license for the Japanese company? Wizardry took off
>in Japan in a way that it didn't in the west, and they got a ton of
>sequels and spin-offs that I'm still pissed about missing out on. But
>you're right, either way that's probably local to the Asian markets and
>doesn't help us get a copy of Wizardry 8, new or otherwise.
Well the publisher of Wizardry 8 was EBGames oddly enough. Either they
don't think it's worth selling anymore or their publishing deal has
since expired. It's 2001 game that didn't sell particularily well
(although I don't think it did that bad) so there was little chance of
it still being available anyways.
>The first Persona game is getting a PSP remake. First person exploration
>with classic turn-based combat. Only problem is that the characters are
>all schoolchildren of some description, and it's got all the usual JRPG
>hangups that give you headaches and cavities. :)
That wouldn't bother me personally, but the Persona and the Megami Tensei
series never interested me. I remember lookig at one of the SNES Megami
Tensei games and thinking it was pretty boring. I think it was the
Persona precursor "Shin Megami Tensei: If...".
> Any first-person RPG from this point forward is likely to be along the
>lines of Fallout and Oblivion, and single-character to boot. I'm surprised
>that Two Worlds and Dark Messiah didn't unleash a whole slew of imitators.
I don't think Two Worlds or Dark Messaih did particularily well.
Two Worlds in particular barely got a mention on this newsgroup.
>>>-KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
>>
>>The original or the recent release?
>
>The original. I didn't like that the only feedback you got was via the
>scrolling text field, which is fine for raw database status but doesn't do
>anything for medieval fantasy immersion.
Yah, I remember not playing King's Bounty for very long because the UI
wasn't that good. I figured I might was well just play Heroes of Might
and Magic I or II, which the game came bundled with.
Mark Morrison
wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>Yeah I/have played alot of single player ones. I don't know if you have
>similar urges, but sometimes I just really feel the need for a party-based
>RPG. I love the single character stuff but the tactical combat on most of
>the party-based ones can't be beaten.
>
>Perhaps it's time to dig out Fallout Tactics or Jagged Alliance 2 again.
>
Did anyone mention Anacronox ?
I managed to get this second hand just a few days ago - 99 pence !
Good fun, a japanese-style RPG. A pool of 8 characters (iirc) and you
control 3 at a time.
Dick Cheeze
> Perhaps it's time to dig out Fallout Tactics or Jagged Alliance 2 again.
>
>
If you like those games then you would probably like Hired Guns. It's
had a few patches now so most issues with the first release have been
addressed. It's very similar to JA2 but with 3D graphics engine and not
quite as much character.
http://matrixgames.com/products/364/details/Hired.Guns:.The.Jagged.Edge.
Nostromo
> Yeah I/have played alot of single player ones. I don't know if you have
> similar urges, but sometimes I just really feel the need for a party-based
> RPG. I love the single character stuff but the tactical combat on most of
> the party-based ones can't be beaten.
>
> Perhaps it's time to dig out Fallout Tactics or Jagged Alliance 2 again.
When I want to get away from single-player rping my urges tend to get a
lot more visceral...lots of gibs everywhere MUHAHA!!! Ok, I also mmo a
lot & used to enjoy more cerebral pastimes in the adventure/strategy
camp a while back...a long while back. But you need a lot of time to
enjoy the cerebral gaming pleasures in life it seems.
I wish someone would make intellectually stimulating games you can take
in bite-sized chunks, like T.I.M. & similar games (not just puzzle ones
of course). The last RTS that made me *think* a _bit_ was probably RON &
with TB strat either Stars! or Dom3; the last adventure game that used
the grey matter was probably The Longest Journey, though I'm hoping to
go back & try Still Life 1 & 2 soon.
Mind you, I love a good racing game (ala CMRally or TOCA)...I'll try
pretty much anything other than generic platform/jumping puzzlers or
sports games (bletch!). I even gave Spore a crack recently & have tried
games like Zanzarah & Puzzle Quest *blush*.
Right now playing LOTRO, HGL, BG2, & a bit of some steep hardware
dependant games (like Crysis, Stalker & Dead Space), just until I start
taking the new rig for granted <G>. Pissed off I can't get The Witcher
working on Win 7 RC 64 *major grumble*...patch forthcoming apparently.
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Nostromo
Nostromo
> I don't think Two Worlds or Dark Messaih did particularily well.
> Two Worlds in particular barely got a mention on this newsgroup.
Which is a real shame, because it had far more originality & fun-factor,
as well as world-cohesion/integrity than something like Oblivion, which
was just a new face painted on the same ol' emperor with no clothes imo.
>>>> -KKC, who gave up on King's Bounty because of the crappy interface.
>>> The original or the recent release?
>> The original. I didn't like that the only feedback you got was via the
>> scrolling text field, which is fine for raw database status but doesn't do
>> anything for medieval fantasy immersion.
>
> Yah, I remember not playing King's Bounty for very long because the UI
> wasn't that good. I figured I might was well just play Heroes of Might
> and Magic I or II, which the game came bundled with.
Could never stomach the turn-based artificial-ness of HOMM series (or
even the likes of CIV/MOO for that matter), unlike a MOM, UFO or Stars!,
for example, which I couldn't get enough of back in the day. Go figure?
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Nostromo
I've only played the demo & MUST get to this one one of these days as
well. Only heard good things overall.
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Nostromo
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Nostromo <nost...@nospam.org> wrote:
>Ross Ridge wrote:
>
>> I don't think Two Worlds or Dark Messaih did particularily well.
>> Two Worlds in particular barely got a mention on this newsgroup.
>
>Which is a real shame, because it had far more originality & fun-factor,
>as well as world-cohesion/integrity than something like Oblivion, which
>was just a new face painted on the same ol' emperor with no clothes imo.
I agree with you that there was a lot of originality in Two Worlds, but
for me that was largely negated by the crappy voice acting and the even
crappier graphics. They also marketed it wrong, in that nobody knew going
in who the bad guy was or why it mattered if they played. For all its
faults, Oblivion had a lot of big-name talent and some established lore to
build on, so people cared about the game months before it hit shelves.
I have high hopes for the Two Worlds sequel, because there's only room for
improvement. The multiplayer aspect is also something cool for them to
bring along.
-KKC, who almost forgot he has the day off.
Craig
wrote:
If you do, make sure you install the 'unofficial' patch that members
of the team released years later:
http://www.fileplanet.com/124622/120000/fileinfo/Anachronox-Unofficial-Patch
That's 1.02 Build 44, then you need build 45 and lastly build 46.
-craig
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
>>I've only played the demo & MUST get to this one one of these days as
>>well. Only heard good things overall.
>
>If you do, make sure you install the 'unofficial' patch that members
>of the team released years later:
>
>http://www.fileplanet.com/124622/120000/fileinfo/Anachronox-Unofficial-Patch
>
>That's 1.02 Build 44, then you need build 45 and lastly build 46.
Cheers - will keep an eye out in the bargain bin today as I'm going shopping
with the Mrs. If not, there's always online somewhere here that might have
it. And failing that, it will be available online anyway, I'm sure. ;)
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Zerotown
<snip>
> Pissed off I can't get The Witcher working on Win 7 RC 64 *major
> grumble*...patch forthcoming apparently.
>
The game ran for me when I set the compatibility to Win XP SP2
(Right-click on witcher.exe, select Compatiblity, mark desired mode and
you're good to go). I use the 7226 X64 build.
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
Tx dude - will definitely give it a bash later - woot!
(I have the latest RC, whatever the version, & TW:EE - not sure what version
that is).
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Nostromo
Anno Domini:
No cigar. I tried XP SP3 compat mode by the looks of the .exe & even SP2
results in the same thing: program executes, does nothing & after a few secs
of hourglass cursor the exe terminates with no msg whatsoever. Bugger.
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Nostromo
John Lewis
Hmmm....how interesting.......
I have discovered that attempting to run 32-bit games on a 64-bit
operating system is frequently a bit like unnecessarily wearing a hair
shirt. My gaming system quad-boots. Win XP 32 SP3, Vista32 SP2,
Vista64 SP2 and Win 7 32 RC. Decided to just load Win7 32 instead of
Win 7 64 for the present gaming moment, as there is only a mere
handful of games that take any advantage AT ALL of a 64-bit OS (I have
8 GBytes of memory) . BTW, I have experimentally compared 32-bit
gaming performance for Win7 64 vs Vista 64 vs Vista 32 on exactly the
same machine and with the latest drivers. No perceptible performance
difference with 32-bit games on the same hardware for all 3 OS
scenarios.......assuming that the 32-bit games run at all in the
64-bit OS environment.
By now I have test-loaded quite a few 32-bit executable games to the
64-bit environments (not The Witcher EE, so I did not come across your
problem) and if they did not install or run in the default x86 mode
(and patch correctly --- some patch updaters do NOT like 64-bit OS
environments...), I dumped the install and reverted to one or other of
the 32-bit OSs. My 64-bit default-compatibility results with a wide
range of 32-bit games both current and legacy is pretty poor..... In
fact, I have become so disappointed that I now just load games having
only 32-bit executables (>95% of current games) to the best-match
32-bit OS and don't bother futzing around with the 64-bit OS.
Also with any limited-authentication DRM-infested games, it is VERY
unwise to install or try them out any OS environment **not
specifically listed in the game's system requirements** . You might
just lose an authentication or two futzing around trying to make them
work (Of course, in your specific case with your access to "alternate
sources", that might not be an issue )
BTW, back to your specific problem and as a totally off-the-wall
suggestion , if you have on-board sound, try reducing your AUDIO
hardware acceleration by one notch (or turn it off) and see if you can
now get the game to run on Win7 64 either default x86 or one of the
compatibility modes. There is a bug that shows up in XP with the
Witcher EE that has exactly the symptoms you describe, and the above
is the fix. I don't have much hope, but at least it is trivial to
try.....
John Lewis
Zerotown
>
> No cigar. I tried XP SP3 compat mode by the looks of the .exe & even SP2
> results in the same thing: program executes, does nothing & after a few
> secs
> of hourglass cursor the exe terminates with no msg whatsoever. Bugger.
>
Hmm... your crash occurs on startup then? My game used to crash right
after loading a savegame. A friend of mine has the same problem you
experience, but is using Vista. He has the EE-DVD, while I have an
original disc that I manually patched. Could there be a difference between
the two or a copy-protection issue?
John Doe
now
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
I'm using a no-cd crack, but same issue without it (& dvd in drive), in any
mode. Plenty of chatter about this online, so I guess I'm SOL until they
release a patch. Tx anyway dude.
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Nostromo
Anno Domini:
*stunned shock*
I wouldn't have seen this but by mere accident of showing all posts in the
thread looking back for Zero's earlier post (I soft-filter a lot of ppl here
by marking them read with Agent). Thanks for the write-up & the help - I
guess this means we're on speaking terms again then Johnny? <EG>
I'll try your suggestion tomorrow - bed time now. In any event, I'd rather
move forward with Win7 64 for so many other good reasons, that living with
one game not working isn't the end of the world. I'd kinda dropped it over a
year ago for greener pastures anyway. Given the absolutely beautiful way
other games (such as LOTRO, Crysis, Dead Space, FarCry2 & even older games
like Stalker & VTMB) look & play on my new rig, it's small sacrifice. I say
it's up to the game dev/publisher to make sure they keep recent games still
current & playable, especially with the release of new & popular OSs. Even
though I still consider Vista an abortion of a turd no matter which way you
polish it, Win7 is eminently more usable even as a beta, imnsho, & well
worth persevering with. I'll just revisit TW:EE after 6-12 mths of Win7x64
being released to see if there are any patches for it. I'm only hoping MS
will allow us to activate this RC with a retail key & not have to
re-install. It's the first MS OS I am actually considering paying for
(personally) since I had Win3.11 bundled with my first Pentium lol!
(well, ok, technically the company will pay for it with a volume license
key, but it's the sentiment that counts :)
"I don't mind taking charity, from those that I despise..." >8^D
P.S. I've pulled you out of my sin bin for the purposes of this exchange. I
give you a day or two tops before we're back to biz as usual. <BFG>
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MetalGuru
> For anybody who's interested Wiz 8 is being posted in a.b.old.games
> now
That was quick, thanks. And a dialup friendly post to boot ;-)
Ceowulf
I'll recommend them as well, but for me it was Geneforge V that rocked
my boat. I've completed twice now with two of the five or six different
factions and I still love it. The only reason I'm not playing it is
because I've got SO many games to play now due to a bunch of sales at EB
that I litterally am jumping around like a mad hat :/
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Ceo-
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
>I'll try your suggestion tomorrow - bed time now.
Won't even install the EAX patch on my system - says 'invalid install' or
some shit. So I can't even patch to .1303 to see if that fixes the issue
*sigh*.
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Nostromo
John Lewis
Very sorry to hear that.
Btw, FYI the "turn down/turn-off audio hardware acceleration" fix
for XP worked BEFORE the EAX patch was released....
Ah, the joys of 64-bit systems and 32-bit patch installers. I much
prefer the easy route of using a 32-bit OS for any 32-bit-executable
programs/games.
John Lewis
John Lewis
wrote:
Nostromo,
Since the Win 7 RC is valid through May 2010, why not dual-boot
the 32-bit and 64-bit versions ?
Oh, and responding to your speculation whether the Win7 RC is
upgradeable to the final Win7 RTM without a re-install -- this is
indeed Microsoft's intent. The Win7 BETA is no upgradeable, and
Microsoft is in the process of shutting down the BETA users by
interrupting the OS every few hours with an appropriate
announcement.
John Lewis
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
Is that your nice way of rubbing it in? ;-p
Farked if I know even where to start to turn off native EAX support under
Win7x64. but I'll give it a go & let you know if there's any joy, but I
doubt it, cause as I said, a lot of Win7 rats are on the same half-sunken
flotsam as myself, until a 64bit patch TW patch comes out *sigh*.
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Nostromo
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
Cool, cheers - thought as much, just wasn't 100%. But, I only have 1x500Gb
disk in the new PC & partitioning it to get a Win7x32 boot might just be
more pain than I'm willing to put up with, unless I can get a 2nd disk soon,
or are you saying I can 'down-boot' the 64-bit version into 32-bit somehow
without a 2nd install?
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Nostromo
Nostromo
+0800, Anno Domini:
>> Thanks for that, but I knew I'd forget something. I have tried to demos for
>> a couple of the Avernum games, and I dunno.....they're those games that
>> everyone has recommended (well....people who like the same sort of thing I
>> do) but i just haven't been able to break through the initial stages to keep
>> going. I will need to give it another try.
>
>I'll recommend them as well, but for me it was Geneforge V that rocked
>my boat. I've completed twice now with two of the five or six different
>factions and I still love it. The only reason I'm not playing it is
>because I've got SO many games to play now due to a bunch of sales at EB
>that I litterally am jumping around like a mad hat :/
Did you get the latest Larry laid then? <G>
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Nostromo
John Lewis
Nope, you cannot....
However, assuming that you already have Win 7-64 RC you might like to
also download the .iso of the 32-bit version of Win 7 RC.and an
authentication key before those RC downloads are all turned off...
which I believe is very shortly !! Then if you get more space with a
second hard-disk you can dual-boot Win 7 RC for free. The RC
authentication will be valid through May 2010, iirc.
(If you ever get Windows 7 Ultimate RTM, you should be able to
dual-boot authenticate both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions under the
same key on the same hardware. You can currently do that with Vista
Ultimate - both the 32-bit and 64-bit OS disks are provided but with a
single key. However, the authentication only cares about the hardware
configuration.. This is not a cheat -- it is one of the less
well-publicized benefits of the Vista Ultimate version and
**hopefully** it will be be carried over to Win 7 Ultimate, for the
sake of any legacy programs still incompatible with the 32-bit
emulation modes in Win7-64 )
John Lewis
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>Nostromo
John Lewis
Nostromo,
No need to worry (maybe)
The Witcher Patch 1.5 has been released (368Meg)
--------------------------------------------------
Here are the features:-
Modifications:
- copy securities (DRM) are removed
(Hopefully, you have bought the game... These developers have gone the
extra mile to FULLY support/upgrade ALL purchasers of the game and
for free, whether the original or the EE version and justly deserve
their reward. )
- playing the game no longer requires the game disc in the drive
- patch solves problems with EAX and blurred graphics
Additionally:
- 5 bonus adventures made by the Witcher community: �Deceits�, �Blight
of the Bogs�, �Wraiths of Quiet Hamlet�, �The Wedding�, �Merry
Witchmas�.
In order to install patch 1.5 correctly, original Witcher game
upgraded to version 1.4 (i.e. The Witcher: Enhanced Edition) should be
installed.
The 5 community adventures are available in English language only.
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John Lewis
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
>>Cool, cheers - thought as much, just wasn't 100%. But, I only have 1x500Gb
>>disk in the new PC & partitioning it to get a Win7x32 boot might just be
>>more pain than I'm willing to put up with, unless I can get a 2nd disk soon,
>>or are you saying I can 'down-boot' the 64-bit version into 32-bit somehow
>>without a 2nd install?
>>
>
>Nope, you cannot....
>
>However, assuming that you already have Win 7-64 RC you might like to
>also download the .iso of the 32-bit version of Win 7 RC.and an
>authentication key before those RC downloads are all turned off...
>which I believe is very shortly !! Then if you get more space with a
>second hard-disk you can dual-boot Win 7 RC for free. The RC
>authentication will be valid through May 2010, iirc.
Good idea - tx for the suggestion. Will kick off the d/l of the 32 bit RC on
the fast dsl backup link at work tomorrow.
>(If you ever get Windows 7 Ultimate RTM, you should be able to
>dual-boot authenticate both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions under the
>same key on the same hardware. You can currently do that with Vista
>Ultimate - both the 32-bit and 64-bit OS disks are provided but with a
>single key. However, the authentication only cares about the hardware
>configuration.. This is not a cheat -- it is one of the less
>well-publicized benefits of the Vista Ultimate version and
>**hopefully** it will be be carried over to Win 7 Ultimate, for the
>sake of any legacy programs still incompatible with the 32-bit
>emulation modes in Win7-64 )
Let's hope so then. Sounds like a more reasonable compromise for running 32
bit apps than dual-booting 2 entire OSs, which is always a pita. Tx John.
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Nostromo