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Martinho

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Aug 23, 2002, 7:53:50 PM8/23/02
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The Napalm Song (Jody)

From Gary Morin
371st RRC 1971


We shoot the young the sick and lame
We do our best to kill and maim
Because the kills all count the same

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Flyin' low across the trees
Pilots doin' what they please
Droppin' frags on refugees

Napalm Sticks to Kids


It made us feel so good inside
When the strong men wept and the women cried
But what's really great is the children fried

Napalm Sticks to Kids


See that family over there
Watch me get'm with a pair
Blood and guts just everywhere

Napalm Sticks to Kids


CIA with guns for hire
Montaignards around the fire
Napalm makes that flame shoot higher

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Baby suckin' on a mother's tit
Gook down in a fifty pit
Dow Chemical doesn't give a shit

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Attack some kids when you go downtown
By throwin' some candy on the ground
Then grease 'm when they gather 'round

Napalm Sticks to Kids


A squad of Cong in the grass
But all the fightin's long since passed
Crispy Critters in a mass

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Oxcarts rollin' down the road
Peasants with a heavy load
They're all VC when the bombs explode

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Shootin' women's lotsa fun
Try'n get one that's pregnant, son
You'll get two for the price of one

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Flyin' low and feelin' mean
See that family by the stream
Drop some napalm and hear 'm scream

Napalm Sticks to Kids


See that gook down on his knees
Lost some fleshets in the breeze
Find his arms nailed to the trees

Napalm Sticks to Kids


NVA are all hardcore
Watch us nail 'm to the jungle floor
Throw our psyops out th' door

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Eighteen kids in a no fire zone
Books under arms and goin' home
Last in line goes home alone

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Chuck's in a sampan sittin' in th' stern
Thinks his boat'll never burn
Them fuckin' gooks'll never learn

Napalm Sticks to Kids


See the little kids jump and shout
Dropped some napalm without a doubt
Watch 'm try and put it out

Napalm Sticks to Kids


I've been around the things I've seen
Some people who are mighty mean
The gooks ya kill, they make ya clean

Napalm Sticks to Kids


I've only seen it happen twice
But both times it was pretty nice
Shootin' peasants plantin' rice

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Napalm son is lots of fun
When dropped from a bomb or shot from a gun
It gets the gooks when they're on the run

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Some people say it's not so neat
To see gooks burnin' in th' street
But burnin' flesh smells mighty sweet

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Shoot civilians where they sit
Take some pictures as you split
All your life you'll remember it

Napalm Sticks to Kids


They're in great shape for the shape they're in
But there's no way that they can win
With napalm rollin' down their skin

Napalm Sticks to Kids


Gary Morin
former SP/4 GarMo ... --- ..- - .... . .- ... -
371st RR Co .- ... .. .- .-- .- .-. --. .- -- . ...
'70 Phuc Vinh '71 .--. .- .-. - .. -.-. .. .--. .- -. -
'71 Asmara '72 -.-. .- .. .-. -... --- .-. -. .
"Don't squat with your spurs on"


nah nah nah nah nahnah naaaaaaa nananana naaaaaa hey jude


John Ward

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Aug 24, 2002, 2:19:20 AM8/24/02
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Martinho,
There is so much embodied in that song. Please excuse my ignorance, but
I've never seen or heard it before. What is the background to it ?
I hope there is a way for you, Zardoz, Chuck, Allan, PapaDoc, Tom, Chris
and all the others to turn your obvious posting talents and life experiences
to FlightSims/Combat FlightSims/Computers, as you all appear to have so much
to offer.
Whatever the relative strengths/weaknesses/merits of all your collective
arguments may be, they appear to actually achieve nothing in real life other
than clogging up this NG.
I don't doubt that you all hold your various beliefs very passionately,
but what can you tell the rest of us about FlightSims/Combat FlightSims ?

Regards
John Ward
Brisbane, Australia
john...@bigpond.net.au
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Jay Williams

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Aug 24, 2002, 11:16:38 AM8/24/02
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This was a cold thing to wake up to this morning. I remember when I was a
kid watching the war news on the TV during dinner; some of my friends had
older brothers who went, one even went to Canada to avoid the draft.

I vaguely remember this song, or at least the chorus... I'd be interested
in where you found it as well, Martinho.

I agree we should eliminate the terroists, where ever we find them, after
all they have proven that jet fuel has the same properties when used in an
indiscriminate manner. However, let us not forget that if the first
casualty of war is truth, the second is the innocence of our own young men
and women. Let us also remember that as much as we love our country, the
people we elect to govern us occasionally lie to us (remember Cambodia,
Laos, the Phoenix program, Iran / Contra, etc.) and so we should continue to
hold them to a high standard, ask the hard questions, and take appropriate
action (ranging from not voting for them again, to impeaching them, to
crminally prosecuting them) when they lie to us.

There was a partner of mine from my EMS days who had worked in some form of
communications during the Vietnam war... (I last saw Jim over 20 years ago
and do not recall the exact details) He said it used to eat him up that he
would see the news where our government would deny certain
fairly-questionable activities, but some sort of after-action report
confirming it had passed over his desk just a day or so before. Of course,
he could never say anything.

There is one glaring difference, of course... The Viet Cong didn't come to
the US and kill over 2,000 civilians and there was never a realistic threat
that they would. The Al Queda have proven themselves capable and willing to
do so. It doesn't justify the indescriminate killing of non-combatants, but
lets also keep in mind one similarity. In a war against terrorism, like a
guerilla war, it can be hard to tell who is a combatant, and who isn't.


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John Malcolm

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Aug 24, 2002, 10:16:37 PM8/24/02
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Erm.... the US Goverment has yet to supply the world with conclusive proof
that Al Queda carried out the 911 suicide attacks...... Want to get back at
the hijackers? Attack Saudi.... or better still your own goverment plus the
Israelis


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Dusty Rhodes

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Aug 25, 2002, 12:55:15 AM8/25/02
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LMAO, what planet you been on lately? The proof is out there, has been
presented, and is obvious unless you are blind and stupid.

Dusty Rhodes


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PAPADOC

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Aug 25, 2002, 1:47:17 AM8/25/02
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Why is it you tin foil wearing conspiracy freaks always make such
wierd sounds when you type..??? Erm...what the fuck is ERM?

Conclusive proof...????

Well actually we know the Israelis did it but its such a bitchin good
time bombing innocent Arab civilians that we figureed what the
hell...who is gonna stop us? You tinfoil beenie babies...?

PAPA DOC

>Erm.... the US Goverment has yet to supply the world with conclusive proof
>that Al Queda carried out the 911 suicide attacks...... Want to get back at
>the hijackers? Attack Saudi.... or better still your own goverment plus the
>Israelis
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
www.papadoc.net
Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

John Malcolm

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Aug 25, 2002, 5:26:30 AM8/25/02
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Could you kindly point me in the direction of this proof. I'd like proof
that a bunch of dudes in caves in Afghanistan planned and carried out the
suicide bombings, as well as proof that anything resembling a passenger jet
hit the Pentagon, and an explanation why there were no innocent people on
any of the aircraft with Muslim sounding names. While you're at it, maybe
you could explain how the anthrax used in bio-warfare attacks after 11th
September have been traced to USAMRIID


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Allan Mayer

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Aug 25, 2002, 8:03:06 AM8/25/02
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In article <ep1a9.605$AN4.17020@newsfep2-gui>, "John Malcolm"
<johnmal...@hotmail.com> writes:

> as well as proof that anything resembling a passenger jet
>hit the Pentagon,


Well, for one, it was caught on TV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Want proof ?????

My best friend was IN the Pentagon when it was hit !!!!!!!!
He just got out, people two offices down never made it, or had the chance !!!
(he still works there too)

Want more ????????

My fathers friend was ON flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon !!!!!

I have come to the conclusion that this newsgroup has a high
population of American hating, scoialistic, poor, low class
europeans
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!

Gawd .... you eurowennies really do hate us because we are soooo
much more successfull, and have more freedom than you, dont you......


{PLONK}


Note here; I know that a lot of the europeans here are normal, and
nice people, and dont share these views, but from what I've seen
recently, you are in the minority, yet at the same time, things like the UN,
and International Crimminal Court, only reinforce to us "Ami's" that you
really dont like the US, and what we do, and feel compelled to try and
have some measure of control over us. Get over it. The things you dont
like about us, are the same things europeans practised in the 1700's,
and 1800's, with more brutality on the world than we have done.
Your time has come and gone... The 21st century, and beyond is our
time, and as such, realize that your's has already come and gone.........


Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html

"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."


FLY135

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Aug 25, 2002, 9:06:56 AM8/25/02
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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Could you kindly point me in the direction of this proof

Why would anyone want to waste their time?


PAPADOC

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Aug 25, 2002, 10:58:48 AM8/25/02
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Well they only moved into caves when Delta Forces arrived. They found
out that caves dont work that well...

Lets see the security tape that was shown on TV showing the Plane
hit..?

Complete list of passengers listed here...not put into most published
lists because victims families were rightly outraged to have those
towel headed mothefuckers listed with their loved ones.

http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/September_11,_2001_Terrorist_Attack/Plane_casualties

Actually they have NOT been tracked there...the Antrax is the Ames
strain which was widely distributed.

PAPA DOC

>Could you kindly point me in the direction of this proof. I'd like proof
>that a bunch of dudes in caves in Afghanistan planned and carried out the
>suicide bombings, as well as proof that anything resembling a passenger jet
>hit the Pentagon, and an explanation why there were no innocent people on
>any of the aircraft with Muslim sounding names. While you're at it, maybe
>you could explain how the anthrax used in bio-warfare attacks after 11th
>September have been traced to USAMRIID

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

John Malcolm

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Aug 25, 2002, 12:19:29 PM8/25/02
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"Allan Mayer" <azzz...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ep1a9.605$AN4.17020@newsfep2-gui>, "John Malcolm"
> <johnmal...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > as well as proof that anything resembling a passenger jet
> >hit the Pentagon,
>
>
> Well, for one, it was caught on TV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

No it wasn't. The DOD released 5 stills from a security camera, well after
the event. Many people have studied these, and the overwhelming finding is
that something a lot smaller than a passenger jet hit the building. Here's
one example: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/crashvideo.html

Funny that the "hijackers" picked a part of the Pentagon that was undergoing
refurbishment.

>
> Want proof ?????
>

Yes please.

> My best friend was IN the Pentagon when it was hit !!!!!!!!
> He just got out, people two offices down never made it, or had the chance
!!!
> (he still works there too)

Did he see the plane? I don't doubt for one minute there was a large
explosion and loss of life... I'm just saying it wasn't Flight 77.

>
> Want more ????????
>
> My fathers friend was ON flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon !!!!!
>

You father's friend was on Flight 77 that was probably shot down by a US
fighter. Come on! The Pentagon was hit roughly an hour after the WTC. You
don't think the DOD might have ordered the aircraft shot down by then.

> I have come to the conclusion that this newsgroup has a high
> population of American hating, scoialistic, poor, low class
> europeans
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!
>

American hating? No. America hating? Yes. Scoialistic? That's a new one! Did
you mean Socialist? If so, then no, not really. Low class? Nope. European?
Yes!

> Gawd .... you eurowennies really do hate us because we are soooo
> much more successfull, and have more freedom than you, dont you......
>

Land of the free? Bollocks! Your Constitution has been getting eroded a fair
bit recently. Right now you have a large but unspecified number of American
citizens being held without charges or access to legal representation. Their
"crime"? They happen to be of arab descent. You have a President who was
bankrolled into power by oil money.... and who gained the Presidency through
electoral fraud. The Bush family has many close links to the Bin Laden
family. The Taliban goverment in Afghanistan refused a US offer to have a
pipeline through their country weeks before 11th September. So, now we have
a nice compliant puppet goverment there, and the pipeline goes ahead.
America is the number one, biggest threat to the world today. They are the
only country ever to have used atomic weapons in anger. They are the world's
worst polluters. They want immunity from international war crimes tribunals.
They reckon it's legitimate to remove a sovereign nations head of state
and/or government from power if they don't agree with them, and they have a
history of setting up or allowing to happen events that give excuse for war.

Dusty Rhodes

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Aug 25, 2002, 2:49:56 PM8/25/02
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SO, mister conspiracy theorist (not you this time PD HAHAHA) what happened
to that flight that took off and all those people were on? Govt. kidnapped
them and took them to a remote place to live their lives? Or did they just
murder them so no one could tell what happened. HAHAHAH oh lordy HAHAHAHA,
this is good LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Better yet, show proof that it was not an airliner that hit the Pentagon.
You are making the accusation, now back it up **SNICKER**, like he can LMAO!

ROTFLMAO Picked HAHAHAHA a part LOLOL of the Pentagon hehehehe that was
being refurbished ROTFLMAO, oh that is a good one!!!!!! Yeah, they painted
a bullseye on it so to make sure they hit that particular spot!!!!!!!!!!!!
You fucking hairbrain asshole. Here is some news for you, I hear Papadoc
was on the grassy knoll. No really. Believe me?

Dusty Rhodes

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John Malcolm

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Aug 25, 2002, 6:10:16 PM8/25/02
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Here's something interesting for you to chew on:
http://www.rense.com/general24/why.htm
and http://www.rense.com/general25/genr.htm and another
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/topic.php?tid=57

I don't know what happened to the passengers and crew of Flight 77, but the
obvious answer is that the plane was brought down before reaching the
Washington area. In none of the photos released of damage to the Pentagon
can one see a single piece of aircraft wreckage. You'd surely expect to see
whole sections of wing, fuselage and perhaps even engine lying around. When
the Pan Am flight was blown up over Lockerbie, there where still parts
identifiable as being from an aircraft, enough certainly for researchers to
physically collect and piece them back together. Where are the black boxes?

What's that smell? It's the smell of another Reichstag fire.

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JD

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Aug 25, 2002, 7:25:28 PM8/25/02
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Thus spake "John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> on Sun, 25
Aug 2002 23:10:16 +0100, as he held forth on "Re: PAPADOC ET ALL!"

This is downright embarrassing. The sad part is that some of these
idiots are probably old enough to vote. The Democratic system
would be in serious trouble if it weren't for the fact that
they're too stupid find their way to the polls on election day.

John Malcolm

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"JD" <jdkbph...@snet.net> wrote in message
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I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
this day and age. Perhaps you're all too busy being spoon-fed by CNN, or
worrying that raising questions may result in an early morning visit from
the Department of Homeland Security. Are Americans so gullible that the
believe everything their Government tells them without question? I'll leave
you all with one single simple question to mull over amongst yourselves.
What individual, group, cause or sovereign country benefited from the WTC
suicide attacks?


HockeyTownUSA

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Aug 25, 2002, 9:08:09 PM8/25/02
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Thanks PapaDoc. You are ALWAYS the one with the best sources of info. I hate
weenie consipiracy theorists. He probably just watched all nine seasons of
the X-files repeatedly for the last year...


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PAPADOC

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Aug 25, 2002, 9:50:39 PM8/25/02
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You are probably one of those fuck deniers as well....the holocaust
didnt happen either eh. And the Thousand year Reich is just around the
corner.

PAPA DOC

>I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
>this day and age. Perhaps you're all too busy being spoon-fed by CNN, or
>worrying that raising questions may result in an early morning visit from
>the Department of Homeland Security. Are Americans so gullible that the
>believe everything their Government tells them without question? I'll leave
>you all with one single simple question to mull over amongst yourselves.
>What individual, group, cause or sovereign country benefited from the WTC
>suicide attacks?
>
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Bill Silvey

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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
> this day and age. Perhaps you're all too busy being spoon-fed by CNN, or
> worrying that raising questions may result in an early morning visit from
> the Department of Homeland Security. Are Americans so gullible that the
> believe everything their Government tells them without question? I'll
leave
> you all with one single simple question to mull over amongst yourselves.
> What individual, group, cause or sovereign country benefited from the WTC
> suicide attacks?

You must be some kind of foil-hat-wearing fuckwit to think that the WTC and
Pentagon attacks were some sort of "government conspiracy". You had that
open sewer you call a mouth ratcheted so far open to scream "DEATH TO
AMERICA!" that what little functional grey matter you had just fell right
out and got stomped into jelly by the feet of the rest of the Kollektiv
marching on behind you.

Tell me something, you feeble-minded anencephalic little homonculous, are
you aware that the current conspiracy theory about the attacks on 9/11 - a
conspiracy too stupid and offensive to even be considered by the most
wacked-out 'X-Files' screenwriters - has been proffered by the French?

Let's go over a quick recent history of notable French achievements in the
realm of international politics, shall we?

1916: Fighting a grinding war against the Germans they had no hope in hell
of winning, until the United States got involved.

1940: Folding like a house of cards before - guess who! - the Germans and
being the ass-cowboy for the Wehrmacht until they got their collaberating,
Vichy-cocksucking, cheese-eating surrender-monkey sphincters saved by the
United States and UK.

1954: Withdrawing from NATO, the only country that could possibly save their
brie-eating, sewer-reeking, beret-wearing scabarous butts in the event of a
big throwdown with the Warsaw Pact forces. Yeah, smart!

1982: In a fantastic intel coup, they sank a greenpeace boat! Yay them!

1983: Sold enough "yellow cake" uranium to Iraq that Israel had to blow up
the French designed breeder reactor at Osirik to keep Saddam from getting a
nuclear weapons program together.

1984: Refused flyover for F111's during Operation Diablo Canyon. Pity our
'111 pilots were so tired they dropped a few LGBs on the French embassy.

2002: Granted fishing rights to more scumbag frog countrymen to harvest
oysters off of Omaha beach.

So this is the lot that you've thrown in with. You buy *their* brand of
filthy european, continentalist, socialist bullshit. Congratulations, Mrs.
Malcom must be very proud of her little boy.

That there's someone alive and drawing breath who *doesn't* live in the
middle of some godforsaken sandhill country who has the mendacity to believe
that a remote-controlled fighter jet hit the Pentagon just astounds me.
Where the fuck do you get your news from, comic books?

As to "CNN", guess what, shithead - Sky News, the BBC, and *every reputable
news agency in the world* knows what happened on 9/11. Idiot cockwipes like
you who let your brain fester in putrid fishwrappers like "News Of The
World" et. al. (which is, by the way, the proper spelling, you goddamned
idiot, not "ET ALL") are the only mongrel castoffs who might give a toss
what's said in the so-called "alternative press".

So filled with hatred for the most successful, powerful, free, democratic
and richest nation on the face of the planet are you that you'll jump at
even the notion of a shadow of doubt - even when it's painfully obvious even
to blind down's-syndrome sufferers what actually happened. It's the same
jealousy that drives pimply faced teenagers to dismiss beautiful, successful
women as obvious dykes - I mean, if they weren't they'd be sucking your
cock, right? RIGHT?

So live in your socialist hellhole nation where you can sit in your
government doled-out apartment, you little eurotrash fuckwipe, and blast the
30-second X-Files theme on "repeat" all god-damned night long. Read your
trash continentalist conspiracy theory novels and convince yourself that
you're RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT as you hold your copy of Das Kapital with a
bear-hug and rock back and forth on your heels autistically, waiting waiting
waiting for the next report from your brainmasters at whatreallyhappened.com
or yellowtimes.org. You're Gollum, and this little CONspiracy theory of
yours is your magic fucking ring - but here's the news, flash, little
fellow. It ain't there. There's no "theory" no "conspiracy", no nothing.
At Bin Laden's behest, those fuckers under the leadership of Mohammed Atta
pulled off a huge crime.

You're so utterly pathetic that I'd recommend you shoot yourself - but alas!
You live in a nice safe place in the world where the RKBA doesn't exist.

In conclusion, you castoff descendant of a Nazi collaberator, it should be
painfully obvious to even someone as unremittingly stupid and just plain
wrong as you that anyone - say, a certain saudi family - who had money
invested in certain companies, then sold those investments on 9/10 or 09/07,
stood to gain a lot of money.

But you're too ignorant to grasp that, since it's more of that FILTHY
AMERICAN CAPITALISM you hate so, so much.


Allan Mayer

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In article <Zbfa9.209527$2p2.8...@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
"HockeyTownUSA" <ma...@comcast.net> writes:

>He probably just watched all nine seasons of
>the X-files repeatedly for the last year...
>

No, he is just an American hater..........

Seems to be a lot of that running around these days among
disgruntled europeans............

FLY135

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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here's something interesting for you to chew on:
> http://www.rense.com/general24/why.htm
> and http://www.rense.com/general25/genr.htm and another
> http://www.unansweredquestions.org/topic.php?tid=57
>
> I don't know what happened to the passengers and crew of Flight 77, but
the
> obvious answer is that the plane was brought down before reaching the
> Washington area.

This is only obvious to someone who refuses to believe the obvious.


FLY135

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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
> this day and age.

You've already proved yourself to be an idiot. You get your news from other
idiots like yourself and then you claim that CNN is brainwashing Americans.
Are you here just for the troll? Or are you so totally oblivious to the
fact that you come off like a moron, that you believe you are getting some
important message across? In any case you seem to lack the intelligence to
actually know when you should be "shitting yourself with embarrassment".
Like right now for instance.

Jay Williams

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Aug 25, 2002, 11:12:16 PM8/25/02
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I would bother to respond to you, you miserable, collaborating piece of
offal, but everyone else has done so far better than I.

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Allan Mayer

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In article <1Vfa9.298280$s8.53...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "Bill Silvey"
<bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> writes:

>But you're too ignorant to grasp that, since it's more of that FILTHY
>AMERICAN CAPITALISM you hate so, so much.


Yep you are 100% right !!
(GREAT post BTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I wonder though ... You always hear them talking about how much
they hate us, and how socialism and their way of life is so much
more compassionate, yet I never hear them say how good their own
lives actually are. You will never hear them say and be proud of how
free they are, or great their industry is, and the goods it provides for
them are. (Like we alwyas do, because we ARE the greatist !!!)

Lets go one further shall we

Lets see, if it wasnt for us filthy Americans, they wouldnt have a lot of
the things they have now. Like the internet, small fast computers, faster
communications, large land based aircraft, nor for that matter their
freedom right now !!! (you already pointed that out earlier)
Sure, in time human nature being what it is, most of these ('cept
freedom) would have eventually come along in time, but with their way of
life, it would have been decades before anyone of their lazy asses would
have invented, much less been able to prduce these things.....

In a way, you do have to like the international Crimminal Court though.
It will just about assure that we will not risk our young peoples lives
to help, much less save them anymore. And thats good, 'bout time
they grew up and learned how to save their own skins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Though we Americans know that if, and when the balloon goes up,
(again) they will come running right back to us to help them AGAIN !!

Vern Pellerin

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>You are probably one of those fuck deniers as well....the holocaust
>didnt happen either eh. And the Thousand year Reich is just around the
>corner.
>
>PAPA DOC


Hey, don't forget that the world is FLAT too. If you travel by ship too far,
you fall off the edge!!!

sunny

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<snip>

| I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
| this day and age.

That's OK, just wipe your stupid arse with whatever hand you use.

Perhaps you're all too busy being spoon-fed by CNN, or
| worrying that raising questions may result in an early morning visit from
| the Department of Homeland Security.

Doesn't worry me here in Aust.

Are Americans so gullible that the
| believe everything their Government tells them without question?

What are your unbiased sources, for the mindless crap that you spew?

I'll leave
| you all with one single simple question to mull over amongst yourselves.
| What individual, group, cause or sovereign country benefited from the WTC
| suicide attacks?

individual, group = The religious mullar fanatic rag heads
cause = Islam
sovereign country = All the fanatic Islamic countries, that breed and foster the scum

John Malcolm

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Holocaust denier? Nope!

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John Malcolm

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Nice rant! Unfortunately it's just that.... a rant. You lot don't seem to be
able to be open minded enough to have a debate without getting offensive.

"Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Amongst others.

> Let's go over a quick recent history of notable French achievements in the
> realm of international politics, shall we?

Oh goody!

>
> 1916: Fighting a grinding war against the Germans they had no hope in hell
> of winning, until the United States got involved.
>
> 1940: Folding like a house of cards before - guess who! - the Germans and
> being the ass-cowboy for the Wehrmacht until they got their collaberating,
> Vichy-cocksucking, cheese-eating surrender-monkey sphincters saved by the
> United States and UK.

Hooray for the USA! When did the yanks turn up for the war? Late as usual!

>
> 1954: Withdrawing from NATO, the only country that could possibly save
their
> brie-eating, sewer-reeking, beret-wearing scabarous butts in the event of
a
> big throwdown with the Warsaw Pact forces. Yeah, smart!
>
> 1982: In a fantastic intel coup, they sank a greenpeace boat! Yay them!
>
> 1983: Sold enough "yellow cake" uranium to Iraq that Israel had to blow up
> the French designed breeder reactor at Osirik to keep Saddam from getting
a
> nuclear weapons program together.

Bloody hell! The USA had been supporting Saddam for years in his fight
against Iran. Let's not forget arming the mujahadeen, propping up various
dodgy rightwing dictatorships around the world and training and funding
rightwing terrorist groups.

>
> 1984: Refused flyover for F111's during Operation Diablo Canyon. Pity our
> '111 pilots were so tired they dropped a few LGBs on the French embassy.
>
> 2002: Granted fishing rights to more scumbag frog countrymen to harvest
> oysters off of Omaha beach.

The bloody cheek of them.... that water's American soil or something.

>
> So this is the lot that you've thrown in with. You buy *their* brand of
> filthy european, continentalist, socialist bullshit. Congratulations,
Mrs.
> Malcom must be very proud of her little boy.

I aint a socialist. I don't buy anyone's brand of bullshit. I like to ask
questions instead of taking everything at face value. My mother is very
proud of me.

>
> That there's someone alive and drawing breath who *doesn't* live in the
> middle of some godforsaken sandhill country who has the mendacity to
believe
> that a remote-controlled fighter jet hit the Pentagon just astounds me.
> Where the fuck do you get your news from, comic books?
>
> As to "CNN", guess what, shithead - Sky News, the BBC, and *every
reputable
> news agency in the world* knows what happened on 9/11. Idiot cockwipes
like
> you who let your brain fester in putrid fishwrappers like "News Of The
> World" et. al. (which is, by the way, the proper spelling, you goddamned
> idiot, not "ET ALL") are the only mongrel castoffs who might give a toss
> what's said in the so-called "alternative press".
>

Can you point me to my post in which I said "et all".... I'm pretty sure
you'll find it was the original creator of the thread who gave it that
subject line. You know... the dude who posted song lyrics about bombing
innocent cicilians and children with napalm. The last time I looked the
newspaper I read was called "The Herald".

> So filled with hatred for the most successful, powerful, free, democratic
> and richest nation on the face of the planet are you that you'll jump at
> even the notion of a shadow of doubt - even when it's painfully obvious
even
> to blind down's-syndrome sufferers what actually happened. It's the same
> jealousy that drives pimply faced teenagers to dismiss beautiful,
successful
> women as obvious dykes - I mean, if they weren't they'd be sucking your
> cock, right? RIGHT?
>
> So live in your socialist hellhole nation where you can sit in your
> government doled-out apartment, you little eurotrash fuckwipe, and blast
the
> 30-second X-Files theme on "repeat" all god-damned night long. Read your
> trash continentalist conspiracy theory novels and convince yourself that
> you're RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT as you hold your copy of Das Kapital with a
> bear-hug and rock back and forth on your heels autistically, waiting
waiting
> waiting for the next report from your brainmasters at
whatreallyhappened.com
> or yellowtimes.org. You're Gollum, and this little CONspiracy theory of
> yours is your magic fucking ring - but here's the news, flash, little
> fellow. It ain't there. There's no "theory" no "conspiracy", no nothing.
> At Bin Laden's behest, those fuckers under the leadership of Mohammed Atta
> pulled off a huge crime.
>

The last time I checked the United Kingdom wasn't classed as a socialist
hellhole. It's getting worse mind you, as American style politics take a
hold, with personality being more important than principles.

> You're so utterly pathetic that I'd recommend you shoot yourself - but
alas!
> You live in a nice safe place in the world where the RKBA doesn't exist.

They'll be coming to take your guns away next

>
> In conclusion, you castoff descendant of a Nazi collaberator, it should be
> painfully obvious to even someone as unremittingly stupid and just plain
> wrong as you that anyone - say, a certain saudi family - who had money
> invested in certain companies, then sold those investments on 9/10 or
09/07,
> stood to gain a lot of money.
>

"castoff descendant of a Nazi collaberator (sic)"..... Hey don't talk about
George Dubya like that. It's not his fault that his family made their
fortune dealing with Nazi Germany.

> But you're too ignorant to grasp that, since it's more of that FILTHY
> AMERICAN CAPITALISM you hate so, so much.
>

You want to stop ranting and start asking yourself some serious questions
about why MOST of the population of the planet earth hates and despises the
USA.


John Malcolm

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"sunny" <womba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
| I'd be shitting myself with embarrassment if I was an American citizen in
| this day and age.

That's OK, just wipe your stupid arse with whatever hand you use.

Perhaps you're all too busy being spoon-fed by CNN, or
| worrying that raising questions may result in an early morning visit from
| the Department of Homeland Security.

Doesn't worry me here in Aust.

Aust? Australia? Austria?

Are Americans so gullible that the
| believe everything their Government tells them without question?

What are your unbiased sources, for the mindless crap that you spew?

A simple Google search turns up a fair few. I wouldn't claim they are
unbiased.

I'll leave
| you all with one single simple question to mull over amongst yourselves.
| What individual, group, cause or sovereign country benefited from the WTC
| suicide attacks?

individual, group = The religious mullar fanatic rag heads
cause = Islam
sovereign country = All the fanatic Islamic countries, that breed and
foster the scum

individual, group = George W. Bush, his big oil buddies, Ariel Sharon
cause = being able to bomb and attack any country they
please
sovereign country = USA and Israel

PAPADOC

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You are an idiot because of a variety of things but the simplest thing
to point out is just exactly why any Oil Man wants more oil in the
market right now. In the ground it appreciates...currently in the US
market Oil is priced waaaay below what it sold for in 1978. Absolutely
no reason to go thru all of this trouble for more oil.

If a person wanted to make more money right now on Russian Oil fields
it would have been much much simpler to simply have a terrorist attack
against Saudi and Iraq oil fields. Kill production there and zoom
price of oil goes up.

Your basic premise is incorrect....course Im sure that wont stop you
since its easier to understand a tin foil beenie theory of the CIA and
Mossad runing planes into towers to give us reason to attack
countries. Another item you havent considered is if George Bush is as
crazy as you think he is certainly he wouldnt need an excuse to
attack. Its not like anyone in the world can stop us were we to decide
to go to war for the heck of it.

Finally to call George Bush and oil man is to ignore the fact that he
never had a successful oil operation. He was a much better Baseball
Team owner...hey maybe the CIA and Mossad ran those planes into the
buildings so he could get better Picks. Thats it...better picks for
the Texas Rangers.

PAPA DOC

> individual, group = George W. Bush, his big oil buddies, Ariel Sharon
>cause = being able to bomb and attack any country they
>please
>sovereign country = USA and Israel
>
>
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

John Malcolm

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"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> dribbled in message
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> You are an idiot because of a variety of things but the simplest thing
> to point out is just exactly why any Oil Man wants more oil in the
> market right now. In the ground it appreciates...currently in the US
> market Oil is priced waaaay below what it sold for in 1978. Absolutely
> no reason to go thru all of this trouble for more oil.
>

Perhaps to safeguard further oil reserves?

> If a person wanted to make more money right now on Russian Oil fields
> it would have been much much simpler to simply have a terrorist attack
> against Saudi and Iraq oil fields. Kill production there and zoom
> price of oil goes up.
>

I think we're going to have a terrorist attack in that area between November
and the beginning of 2003.... only it's going to be called, euphemistically,
a "regime change", and the guys killing civilians in "unfortunate collateral
damage" will once again be flying the stars and stripes.

> Your basic premise is incorrect....course Im sure that wont stop you
> since its easier to understand a tin foil beenie theory of the CIA and
> Mossad runing planes into towers to give us reason to attack
> countries. Another item you havent considered is if George Bush is as
> crazy as you think he is certainly he wouldnt need an excuse to
> attack. Its not like anyone in the world can stop us were we to decide
> to go to war for the heck of it.
>

You don't get it do you. Whether anyone in the US administration was "in on
it" isn't really the point. As you keep reminding me.... it's just theory.
Theories should be discussed. At best the US government and it's agencies
are guilty of criminal negligence. I didn't claim George Bush was crazy. I
think he's pigshit thick. He DOES need excuses to go to war with other
countries... excuses to the American electorate and the mothers and fathers
of the young people he's about to send overseas. I'd hate to die in a
foreign land just because some war-dodging cokehead daddy's boy decided he
didn't like the leadership of that country. But Saddam interferes with peace
in the region, I hear you bleat. So do you! He wants/has weapons of mass
destruction, you whine. So do you, and you've used them! He's nasty to the
poor Kurds, you blubber. So is Turkey, a NATO ally, and let's not forget how
the US set-up the Kurds for a beating at the end of Desert Storm. He's
gassed his own people, you whimper. So have you! The FBI has finally
conceded to Congress that it used pyrotechnic tear gas canisters at Waco....
only 80 people burned to death as a result.... only 24 of them were
children.

> Finally to call George Bush and oil man is to ignore the fact that he
> never had a successful oil operation. He was a much better Baseball
> Team owner...hey maybe the CIA and Mossad ran those planes into the
> buildings so he could get better Picks. Thats it...better picks for
> the Texas Rangers.
>

I never said he was an oil man, successful or otherwise. I claimed he bought
his way into power using oil money, supplied by his big oil man friends.
Jesus Christ! You admit that he couldn't even run an oil operation, yet you
voted him into power.

Can I respectfully suggest that we end this conversation shortly. We all
have pretty strong views and opinions on the matter, and are very unlikely
to change each others minds. I'm not suggesting I get the last word or
anything, just that I've become guilty of dragging the forum down with
non-flight-sim related posts, as I accused others of doing. It's easy to get
dragged in.

Martinho

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yay bill

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>

Martinho

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to they tune Deutschland uber alles eh?

"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >

Martinho

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that doesnt make you any less of a cock jockey

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Allan Mayer

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In article <LLla9.837$Dq4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "John Malcolm"
<johnmal...@hotmail.com> writes:

>You want to stop ranting and start asking yourself some serious questions
>about why MOST of the population of the planet earth hates and despises the
>USA.


Becasue we have a more freedom here than the rest of the world ??
Because we have a society that let's it's own citizens achieve as much
or as little as they want ???
Because we have a higher technology than the rest of the world ??
Because this technology is more readilly avaiable to it's citizens ??
Because we have the most powerfull military on the earth to defend us ??
Because when there is war, we can afford to trade money for blood ???
And the rest of the world cant ??? (reason atomic weapons were dropped,
to spare American lives)
Because we wont be party to the International Crimminal Court ??
(a politically motivated court with NO accountability)

Because you wouldnt be on the net if some Americans hadnt invented it ?


Tell me when to stop...................................

PAPADOC

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You are a fucking idiot but as the Nazi's proved in 1935 if not
challenged idiots have a way of getting power. Soooo.

>
>Perhaps to safeguard further oil reserves?

To safeguard oil reserves...??? What the fuck for, are the oil
reserves in the ground disappearing, turning into Dinosaurs or
something...? Oil reserves in the ground are the safest place to keep
oil until the price comes back up. We have all sorts of wells down
South that are capped off because the owners dont like the prices.
Furthermore contrary to the doom and gloom of the 70's and that fucked
up President Carter and his team of goofballs we have plenty of oil to
last us well into the next century. Your BASIC premise of your
"THEORY" is as fucked up as you are in your head.

>I think we're going to have a terrorist attack in that area between November
>and the beginning of 2003.... only it's going to be called, euphemistically,
>a "regime change", and the guys killing civilians in "unfortunate collateral
>damage" will once again be flying the stars and stripes.

Fucking right the same exact bad asses that pulled your worthless
country back into the realm of the free. The same exact bad asses that
pulled Japan out of the maws of feudelism, Germany out of the maws of
the 1000 year Reich, the same exact bad asses that pulled Afganistan
out of the maws of a bunch of towel headed motherfuckers that think
the 7th Century was the best time ever.

Ask the Japanese whether they would like to still be living under the
Rule of Tojo, or ask the Germans whether they would like to go back to
living under Hitler, or the Italians whether they would like to go
back to Mussolini, or the Russians whether Stalin was better, ask the
Afganis whether they are pining for the Taliban to return to power...

>You don't get it do you. Whether anyone in the US administration was "in on
>it" isn't really the point. As you keep reminding me.... it's just theory.

Well to avoid wasting time on stupid shit a person is supposed to
consider whether a particular theory makes any sense in the light of
all the evidence to the contrary. You are too fucking stupid to be
entertaining us all with your theories....just as the French in
general are too fucking stupid to breathing the same air as the rest
of us.

To have a conspiracy the size of what you are advocating the entire US
government consisting of these groups would have to be collaborating.

1. The Demoncrats, who would LOVE absolutely LOVE for the Republicans
to be involved in something so useless and stupid. Another Republican
wouldnt be elected in 200 years.

2. The Press which contrary to your very limited ability to comprehend
consists of thousands of reporters all looking for tha Woodward and
Bernstien break to make a name for themselves. A story this juicy
would be out so fast and in so many different outlets.

3. The judicary....which has alot of very serious people who dont like
the idea of the kind of government you are evidently used to .

4, Any number of future Presidential candidates from either
party...who would love to blast a sitting President with this sort of
stupidity.

5. Thousands of people involved in an operation the size of this.

>Theories should be discussed. At best the US government and it's agencies
>are guilty of criminal negligence.

First we beat the terrorists then we beat up the Government for being
so fucking incompetent that a bunch of towel headed mass murderers got
past them.

>I didn't claim George Bush was crazy. I
>think he's pigshit thick.

Yea everyone that graduates from Yale and Harvard can be considered
stupid. And those guys who reach the Presidency and give the types of
speeches he has given are especially stupid. You guys are so fucking
predictable I wonder why we just cannot put all of you on an island so
that the quality of the opposition could improve. At least you people
should be neutered so as to not spread your Germs anywhere else.

>He DOES need excuses to go to war with other
>countries... excuses to the American electorate and the mothers and fathers
>of the young people he's about to send overseas.

Nope if he was crazy enough to have the CIA and Mossad fly planes into
the WTC and Pentagon he wouldnt need any reason....just have the CIA
fire some missiles off from inside of Iraq and viola instant war. You
are too stupid to continue talking please throw yourself off the
highest building nearby.

>So do you! He wants/has weapons of mass
>destruction, you whine. So do you, and you've used them!

Yup I agree we should have just invaded Japan and killed a few million
more of them fighting them across their country. Better we should lose
200,000 young men than we drop the bomb. Bullshit....Japan started it
we finished it. Exactly whats gonna happen to those towel headed
freaks.

> He's nasty to the
>poor Kurds, you blubber. So is Turkey, a NATO ally, and let's not forget how
>the US set-up the Kurds for a beating at the end of Desert Storm.

Absolutely we treated the Kurds shamefully and it was all because of
idiots like you who are constantly seeing evil and good as the same
exact thing in your best days or on your bad days evil as good and
good as evil.

>He's
>gassed his own people, you whimper. So have you! The FBI has finally
>conceded to Congress that it used pyrotechnic tear gas canisters at Waco....
>only 80 people burned to death as a result.... only 24 of them were
>children.

You obviously havent any clue about what you are talking about. For
the comparison to be valid the Gassing by the FBI would have to have
happened on city wide scales on a continous basis and the gas wouldnt
be tear gas but mustard, sarin and VX. And between 70,000 to 150,000
people would have died from the attacks by the FBI. Btw I feel like
the Attorney General who was in charge during the Ruby Ridge and Waco
attacks should have faced some type of court. Both events were wrong
and hurt our country far more than the problems they intended to
correct. But to compare them is absurd.

>I never said he was an oil man, successful or otherwise. I claimed he bought
>his way into power using oil money, supplied by his big oil man friends.
>Jesus Christ! You admit that he couldn't even run an oil operation, yet you
>voted him into power.

He made his way into power with money from thosands upon thousands of
small contributors. His campaigns strongest attribute was its power to
attract donor such as myself who could only give small amounts.

PAPA DOC

Dr Oddness Kiltroll

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John Malcolm wrote:

> Holocaust denier? Nope!

Lier.

Dr Oddness Kiltroll

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Ya gotta ask yerself...

What organization, or pathetic, maladjusted mindset, could clumsily continue to
act as pseudo-agent provocature, in this case, attempting to place the blame
EXACTLY where it should not reside...

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The Goose Stepping Fools.

Thats Who...

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You NAZI's are a bunch of bedwetters....

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But you already know that....

John Malcolm scrawled, with some help from a script:

Dr Oddness Kiltroll

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John Malcolm wrote:

> Nice rant! Unfortunately it's just that.... a rant. You lot don't seem to be
> able to be open minded enough to have a debate without getting offensive.

You have to post something worthy of debate to illicite thoughtful, nonabusive
responses. Show some respect for the subject matter, and you'll receive whet you
want.

If you poke a stick in the hornets nest...

You get stung.

Dontcha, Adolph...

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Dr Oddness Kiltroll

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[irrational, juvenile, and just plain nonsensical SPEW snipped, for fun and
profit]


> You want to stop ranting and start asking yourself some serious questions
> about why MOST of the population of the planet earth hates and despises the
> USA.

Well, firstly they dont. Second, we're rich, and you're not, thirdly, they dont,
fourthly, we are superior, socially, and your not, fithly, they dont, sixthly,
we know how to live and you dont...

I get your picture, do you get mine?

How come you're so opinionated, and stupid?

Do you work at this, or does it come naturally?

<as an aside, more than half of the world doesnt know the USA exists. Many of
those that do, dont know the truth about us, lastly, those {like yourself}, who
are free to avail themselves of all the info out there, are free to choose whats
they want to beleive, as a function of how that want to view themselves. Your
'liberal', right?>

Why are you so misinformed?

...


Dr Oddness Kiltroll

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Your an ignorant jackass.

Thats your right.

<donkeysnort>

John Malcolm wrote:

> "PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> dribbled in message
> news:3d6a33a9...@news.west.cox.net...
> > You are an idiot because of a variety of things but the simplest thing
> > to point out is just exactly why any Oil Man wants more oil in the
> > market right now. In the ground it appreciates...currently in the US
> > market Oil is priced waaaay below what it sold for in 1978. Absolutely
> > no reason to go thru all of this trouble for more oil.
> >
>
> Perhaps to safeguard further oil reserves?

You mean the big ones, in Soviet Central Asia, the Gulf of Mexico, and the
Alaksan area, or the played out ones in the ME?

<chuckle>

>
> > If a person wanted to make more money right now on Russian Oil fields
> > it would have been much much simpler to simply have a terrorist attack
> > against Saudi and Iraq oil fields. Kill production there and zoom
> > price of oil goes up.
> >
>
> I think we're going to have a terrorist attack in that area between November
> and the beginning of 2003.... only it's going to be called, euphemistically,
> a "regime change", and the guys killing civilians in "unfortunate collateral
> damage" will once again be flying the stars and stripes.

You can call it Martians from Space, if you want.

Ask the average Afghani whether he wants Amers around. You'd be surprised..

> > Your basic premise is incorrect....course Im sure that wont stop you
> > since its easier to understand a tin foil beenie theory of the CIA and
> > Mossad runing planes into towers to give us reason to attack
> > countries. Another item you havent considered is if George Bush is as
> > crazy as you think he is certainly he wouldnt need an excuse to
> > attack. Its not like anyone in the world can stop us were we to decide
> > to go to war for the heck of it.
> >
>
> You don't get it do you. Whether anyone in the US administration was "in on
> it" isn't really the point. As you keep reminding me.... it's just theory.

They werent, and it aint...

>
> Theories should be discussed. At best the US government and it's agencies
> are guilty of criminal negligence.

And you're the person who can make such a final pronouncement? How much time
have you spent an Belvior? Or the other spooky places?

> I didn't claim George Bush was crazy. I
> think he's pigshit thick.

Ya. MBA, made a million on his own, and is now the Prez.

Whats on your resume, jasper, king of the collegiate Fosters Drinking contest?

Maybe you're mr mensa himself. You hide it well, tho...


> He DOES need excuses to go to war with other
> countries... excuses to the American electorate and the mothers and fathers
> of the young people he's about to send overseas.

He needs reasons. He has them.

> I'd hate to die in a
> foreign land just because some war-dodging cokehead daddy's boy decided he
> didn't like the leadership of that country.

So, Saddam is your hero, and all this came to be AFTER GWB came into power...

> But Saddam interferes with peace
> in the region, I hear you bleat.

He does.

> So do you!

No, we dont. Scrape out the cement, you poor trolll...

> He wants/has weapons of mass
> destruction, you whine.

He does.

> So do you, and you've used them!

Yes, and good thing, that. Beats 10 million dead Japanese. No, you say? I guess
your a racist too? What is it you have against the Japanese (except that they
should go killing millions, for years, without expecting to be stopped,
eventually...)

> He's nasty to the
> poor Kurds, you blubber.

Your doing the blubber, me selfimportant...

> So is Turkey, a NATO ally, and let's not forget how
> the US set-up the Kurds for a beating at the end of Desert Storm

The Kurds are doing quite well. Thanks. I could tell you about it, but then I'd
have to...

But, just so you have a few facts: Iraq gas 17 Regular Army Divs. 11 are in the
N, just S of (NOT IN) the Kurdish controlled area. Why is this?

Could it be because the Kurds are somewhat more capable than you're aware
(because we've been helping, a bit...)?

> . He's
> gassed his own people, you whimper. So have you! The FBI has finally
> conceded to Congress that it used pyrotechnic tear gas canisters at Waco....
> only 80 people burned to death as a result.... only 24 of them were
> children.

You're an ass. Thius was known in 94. ALL TEAR GAS is created by combustion.
Koreshs' folks imolated thenselves. Your idiotic opinions not with standing.

No, really...

>
> > Finally to call George Bush and oil man is to ignore the fact that he
> > never had a successful oil operation. He was a much better Baseball
> > Team owner...hey maybe the CIA and Mossad ran those planes into the
> > buildings so he could get better Picks. Thats it...better picks for
> > the Texas Rangers.
> >
>
> I never said he was an oil man, successful or otherwise. I claimed he bought
> his way into power using oil money, supplied by his big oil man friends.

What the fuck does that MEAN. Explain how one 'buys ones way into power..."

>
> Jesus Christ! You admit that he couldn't even run an oil operation, yet you
> voted him into power.

He was an oil man, but oil is much more costly in Texas, than in other places.
Its about economics, which, I am sure you
1. Are woefully ignorant, regarding
2. You hate in any case.

> Can I respectfully suggest that we end this conversation shortly.

Why? I like annoying idiots? You SEEM to have this same avocation. Your just not
good at it. And you dont know enough to determine who the idiot is.

(clue:mirror)

> We all
> have pretty strong views and opinions on the matter, and are very unlikely
> to change each others minds. I'm not suggesting I get the last word or
> anything, just that I've become guilty of dragging the forum down with
> non-flight-sim related posts, as I accused others of doing. It's easy to get
> dragged in.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Wa! Waa! gasp, snortle,
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
<ggg>
Shut the fuck up you bellicose ignoramous. Come to spar, or get the fuck outa
the ring...

DrOk

Dusty Rhodes

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Thats it...better picks for
> the Texas Rangers.
>
> PAPA DOC
>

God knows they need em right now.

Dusty Rhodes


John Malcolm

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And you are an arse monger, a gay bum stuffing arse bandit and a queerhawk,
or at least you will be when you grow up a bit and reach the age of consent

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John Malcolm

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Or Amerika Uber Alles :)

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PAPADOC

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You Nazi fucks are worthless sacks of shit that should kill youselves
at your earliest convience.

PAPA DOC

>Or Amerika Uber Alles :)
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Adam Banks

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>Shut the fuck up you bellicose ignoramous. Come to spar, or get the fuck outa
>the ring...

<picky>Sorry to mess with your extremely erudite and eloquent post,
but it's "ignoramus".</picky>

*Please* someone release a new flight sim SOON! I've enjoyed this
bar-room banter for a while, but it's getting just a little repetitive
now.

Adamski.

Dr Oddness Killtroll

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Adam Banks wrote:

> >Shut the fuck up you bellicose ignoramous. Come to spar, or get the fuck outa
> >the ring...
>
> <picky>Sorry to mess with your extremely erudite and eloquent post,
> but it's "ignoramus".</picky>

I am allergic to vowels. Especially the pesky 'UUU'. This compels me to use it
unecessarily, in international discourse, as my Brit freinds are prone to the same
behavior. Only its legal over there.

I wont go on about spelling correction being the last refuge of...

Dont complain that this makes no sense, as this is usenet.

Additionally, there were some gems in my post, for those who decriminate enough...

TTFN

Scharmers

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PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by (PAPADOC) wrote in message news:<3d6a99bc...@news.west.cox.net>...

> You are a fucking idiot but as the Nazi's proved in 1935 if not
> challenged idiots have a way of getting power. Soooo.
>
>>I never said he was an oil man, successful or otherwise. I claimed
he bought
>>his way into power using oil money, supplied by his big oil man
friends.
>>Jesus Christ! You admit that he couldn't even run an oil operation,
yet you
>>voted him into power.

>He made his way into power with money from thosands upon thousands of
>small contributors. His campaigns strongest attribute was its power
to
>attract donor such as myself who could only give small amounts.

Swallow another of Rush's loads there, PD. Bush got into power
through crooked corporate money and Florida nepotism. He bought his
way into office. His idiotic "tax break" dumped our economy into a
redeficit tailspin. I say that Bush would have prayed for something
like 9/11 to take our minds off of his incompetence, except for the
fact that he is too stupid on his own to take advantage of the
opportunity.

Ah, hell. Jello said it better than me:

Greetings:This is the Secretary of War at the State Department
of the United States
We have a problem.
The companies want something done about this sluggish
world economic situation
Profits have been running a little thin lately
and we need to stimulate some growth
Now we know
there's an alarmingly high number of young people roaming
around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble
for the police and damage private property.
It doesn't look like they'll ever get a job
It's about time we did something constructive with these people
We've got thousands of 'em here too. They're crawling all over
The companies think it's time we all sit down, have a serious
get-together-
And start another war
The President?
He loves the idea! All those missiles streaming overhead to and fro
Napalm
People running down the road, skin on fire
The Soviets seem up for it:
The Kremlin's been itching for the real thing for years.
Hell, Afghanistan's no fun
So whadya say?
We don't even have to win this war.
We just want to cut down on some of this excess population
Now look. Just start up a draft; draft as many of those people as you
can.
We'll call up every last youngster we can get our hands on,
hand 'em some speed, give 'em an hour or two to learn how to use
an automatic rifle and send 'em on their way
Libya? El Salvador? How 'bout Northern Ireland?
Or a "moderately repressive regime" in South America?
We'll just cook up a good Soviet threat story
in the Middle East-we need that oil
We had Libya all ready to go and Colonel Khadafy's hit squad
didn't even show up. I tell ya
That man is unreliable.
The Kremlin had their fingers on the button just like we did for that
one
Now just think for a minute-We can make this war so big-so BIG
The more people we kill in this war, the more the economy will prosper
We can get rid of practically everybody on your dole queue if we plan
this right.
Take every loafer on welfare right off our computer rolls
Now don't worry about demonstrations-just pump up your drug supply.
So many people have hooked themselves on heroin
and amphetamines since we took over, it's just like Vietnam.
We had everybody so busy with LSD they never got too strong.
Kept the war functioning just fine
It's easy.
We've got our college kids so interested in beer
they don't even care if we start manufacturing germ bombs again.
Put a nuclear stockpile in their back yard,
they wouldn't even know what it looked like
So how 'bout it? Look-WAR IS MONEY.
The arms manufacturers tell me unless
we get our bomb factories up to full production
the whole economy is going to collapse
The Soviets are in the same boat.
We all agree the time has come for the big one, so whadya say?!?
That's excellent. We knew you'd agree
The companies will be very pleased.

Dr Oddness Killtroll

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PAPADOC wrote:

> ...just as the French in general are too fucking stupid to breathing the same
> air as the rest
> of us.

You, sir, are a genius.

<S!>

DrOk

[snip rest, as this passage deserves exclusive notice]

Martinho

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all that and more beeg boy
and im steel twice they man you you are

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John Malcolm

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"Scharmers" <scha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That about sums it up.


John Malcolm

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Speak English wee baws

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John Malcolm

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"Scharmers" <scha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That about sums it up.


John Malcolm

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> PAPADOC wrote:
>
> > ...just as the French in general are too fucking stupid to breathing the
same
> > air as the rest
> > of us.
>

What type of name is Pierre LeGrand anyway?


Dr Oddness Killtroll

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John Malcolm wrote:

Its an American Name, silly boy.
Now, stay away fwom the stweet, bigw cawws miwght smwite you...


Dr Oddness Killtroll

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Schmarmy baby, you need to return to the increased dosage...

;)

DrOk

PAPADOC

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Aug 27, 2002, 5:26:50 PM8/27/02
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Oh gee you are a fucking genius....

Just as I pointed out to those scum sucking French Surrender Monkies
at Vivendi when I wrote those fucks about their new movie attacking my
country my Family is from solid French Stock, grandfather won the
Croix De Guerre in WW1, Father French FireFighter in Paris,
Grandmother and Grandfather ran a Bar on Rue St. Germain in Paris. Any
other questions...? I call them like I see them. The French worry more
about their precious ego than about who saves their worthless asses
more than anyone else.

One day the French people should stage another revolt and get some
balls back. But Im not holding my breath given how popular that book
about the hoax of 9/11.

PAPA DOC

>What type of name is Pierre LeGrand anyway?
>
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

PAPADOC

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Sharmers try and not spend too much time discussing economics or
politics....it takes away from your aura of invincibility.

PAPA DOC

>Swallow another of Rush's loads there, PD. Bush got into power
>through crooked corporate money and Florida nepotism. He bought his
>way into office. His idiotic "tax break" dumped our economy into a
>redeficit tailspin. I say that Bush would have prayed for something
>like 9/11 to take our minds off of his incompetence, except for the
>fact that he is too stupid on his own to take advantage of the
>opportunity.
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

PAPADOC

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Aug 27, 2002, 5:33:43 PM8/27/02
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No scumsucking surrender monkey it does NOT sum it up. It only sums up
the shallowness of your argument.

>That about sums it up.

You have no response to the facts about 9/11.

1. Witnesses that saw the airplane hit the pentagon
2. What happened to the passengers
3. How does one cover up a plot as large as this when so many would
have so much to gain by exposing it.
4. Exactly when did the French shit all of their brains and balls out
of their assholes. I am sorry to paint the entire french population
with this given my name but the book is a best seller.
5. Witnesses on board describe Middle Eastern hijackers.
6. Closed circuit TV showing ATTA and that other Towel Head going thru
security.

So on and so forth.

Martinho

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where they fuck are from beeg boy?

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Martinho

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deed that one get you excited?

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JohnnyChemo

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Can't get near Rush with your Mom in the way....

Explain please, how a tax cut enacted in June 2001 caused
a recession to start in March 2001 in an economy that was
contraction for 2 years prior to that?

Explain please, how a $50 billion tax cut caused over $270
billion in deficit?

Want to talk about the election now?
Just remember Al Gore-
benefited when the pro-Gore media prematurely called the race in his favor,
discouraging untold thousands of Bush supporters from voting in Florida and
elsewhere;

got an automatic recount because the election was so close, and still lost;

persuaded a few heavily Democratic counties to conduct a full manual recount
when they were clearly unauthorized by law to do so because the partial
manual recount revealed no machine error;

coerced (through threats of lawsuits) a few other heavily Democratic
counties to proceed with manual recounts, even though they had decided not
to do so;

received the benefit of at least one of those counties changing every
imaginable rule in midstream to count every questionable ballot -- and then
some -- for Gore;

systematically torpedoed absentee military ballots statewide because he knew
they would favor Bush.

was unable to convince a Democratic circuit judge to change the Florida law
to force the Secretary of State to accept late-filed returns; but

conned the Democratic Florida Supreme Court into unconstitutionally changing
the Florida election law after the election to establish a new deadline for
the Secretary of State to accept returns;

was still trailing after all of these gifts;

has friends who were unconscionably trying to interfere with Bush's pledged
presidential electors;

couldn't hoodwink two Democratic circuit judges into disqualifying thousands
of absentee ballots in Seminole and Martin counties for technical reasons;

couldn't convince another Democratic circuit judge that he'd sustained his
legal burden of proof in multifarious election contest cases; but

was given another temporary reprieve by four rabid activist Florida Supreme
Court justices when they disregarded the order of the United States Supreme
Court and removed yet another deadline -- their own deadline -- and ordered
statewide partial recount anarchy. In doing so, the Florida Court completely
obliterated its state's election contest law in trying to bestow victory on
Algore.

So hows that again?

"Scharmers" <scha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >

PAPADOC

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Nice to know there a more than a few of us around.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Allan Mayer

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In article <dzXa9.27666$WJ3.4...@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "JohnnyChemo"
<johnn...@yahoo.com> writes:

>So hows that again?


Simple

When the MEDIA did it's own ballot recount long after the election,
guess what ??? BUSH STILL WON !!!!!!!!

Gore NEVER had the votes, Bush DID !!!!

But since that dosnt fit the liberal plan, they never mention this...


Now ya have to understand where scharmers is comming from.
He is a faggot, and since that is against the laws of God, and
our president is a strong believer in the bible, it just really
pisses him off. So rather than speak facts, he counts on shock
value in his posts, rather than reason.


Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html

"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."


Road Runner

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On 28 Aug 2002 10:35:40 GMT, azzz...@aol.com (Allan Mayer) wrote:


>Now ya have to understand where scharmers is comming from.
>He is a faggot, and since that is against the laws of God, and
>our president is a strong believer in the bible, it just really
>pisses him off. So rather than speak facts, he counts on shock
>value in his posts, rather than reason.

The above speaks *volumes* about you. And it doesn't paint a pretty
picture either.

PAPADOC

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The french have more personalities than Sybil....its a shame.

PAPA DOC

PS. Someone made the point that Americans cannot get too upset with
Europeans about not being ready to go to war with Iraq. After all it
did take Japan attacking us to make us go to war in Europe. Sounds
like a good point.

>
>I'm still trying to get over the fact that the French were attacking
>our chaps in WW2 - unbelievable "They gave me a Seafire"

Phil Young

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:26:50 GMT, PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by (PAPADOC)
wrote:

>Oh gee you are a fucking genius....
>
>Just as I pointed out to those scum sucking French Surrender Monkies
>at Vivendi when I wrote those fucks about their new movie attacking my
>country my Family is from solid French Stock, grandfather won the
>Croix De Guerre in WW1, Father French FireFighter in Paris,
>Grandmother and Grandfather ran a Bar on Rue St. Germain in Paris. Any
>other questions...? I call them like I see them. The French worry more
>about their precious ego than about who saves their worthless asses
>more than anyone else.
>
>
>

>Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
>Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
>www.papadoc.net
>Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
>10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
>more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:26:50 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
you wrote:

>Oh gee you are a fucking genius....
>
>Just as I pointed out to those scum sucking French Surrender Monkies
>at Vivendi when I wrote those fucks about their new movie attacking my
>country my Family is from solid French Stock, grandfather won the
>Croix De Guerre in WW1, Father French FireFighter in Paris,

<snip>
>
>PAPA DOC
>

Well, according to Bill Silvey Message-ID:
<1Vfa9.298280$s8.53...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>

That makes your Grandfather a participant in :

1916: Fighting a grinding war against the Germans they had no hope in

hellof winning, until the United States got involved.

And probably depending on the exact dates might make your father a
part of :
:


1940: Folding like a house of cards before - guess who! - the Germans
and being the ass-cowboy for the Wehrmacht until they got their
collaberating, Vichy-cocksucking, cheese-eating surrender-monkey
sphincters saved by the United States and UK.

So whne exactly was your father a firefighter in Paris ? Is he in
fact an 'ass-cowboy for the Wehrmacht until he got his collaberating,
Vichy-cocksucking, cheese-eating surrender-monkey sphincter saved by
the United States and UK'

According to Bill Silvey of course.

Cheers,

Phil Young

PS. Just to give you a start, I'm an Aethist, Socialist, Trade Union
member Linux user. I'm not Gay, but I wouldn't want to make it too
easy for you.

PPS. I've enjoyed your reviews of various 3DFX cards over the years.
I bought a Righteous Orchid Voodoo 1 card as soon as they were
available in the UK, (UKP200 for 4Mb), followed by a banshee, and two
Voodoo3's but finally took the nVidia shilling with a GF4 4200 card -
instant upgrade with extra 32 bit goodness.

Scharmers

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azzz...@aol.com (Allan Mayer) reported in from the dope show (AOL.COM
-- that says it all right
there):<20020828063540...@mb-fv.aol.com>...

> In article <dzXa9.27666$WJ3.4...@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "JohnnyChemo"
> <johnn...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >So hows that again?
>
>
> Simple
>
> When the MEDIA did it's own ballot recount long after the election,
> guess what ??? BUSH STILL WON !!!!!!!!
>
> Gore NEVER had the votes, Bush DID !!!!
>
> But since that dosnt fit the liberal plan, they never mention this...
>
>
> Now ya have to understand where scharmers is comming from.
> He is a faggot, and since that is against the laws of God, and
> our president is a strong believer in the bible, it just really
> pisses him off. So rather than speak facts, he counts on shock
> value in his posts, rather than reason.

1. "He is a faggot." There's a scintillating display of wit there,
champ. Real 8th grade stuff. For the record, I'm straight, but even
if I were an ass-puncher, I'd be so far beyond you it's just silly and
stuff.

2. "Against the laws of God". Whose god? The killer christian god?
The killer islamic god? Actually, much of the stuff I do is pretty
damn acceptable to Cthulu -- and he's as good as everybody else's god,
since they're all made up anyway. At least Cthulu was made up by
somebody living in the 20th Century, rather than a bunch of primitive,
stinking, feral goat-herders grunting and squatting back in 9000000
B.C. or whatever it was.

3. Bush, Jr. A good christian and strong believer in the bible. Ha.
Ha ha. Yep, all that shit he did -- womanized, dodging military
service, bolivian marching powder up the nose, multiple disatrous
failures in business -- all goes away when you get on your knees (and
suck) before christ and become "born again". All those "when I was
young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible." sins washed
away. Hell, if that's all it takes to get myself a far-right financial
back and then be able to buy myself into political office -- WHERE DO
I SIGN UP???!?!

It would be really cool if Bush believed so strongly in the bible that
he practiced the fun of Genesis 19:30-38. Especially if Hard Copy got
it all on tape.

TEST FOR OTHERS: Which has had a more lasting influence on our economy
-- the minor financial and sexual scandals of the Redneck Bill, or
Jr.'s Enrongate? Answer: who gives a fuck. Michael Moore has it
right -- they're all crooks.

3a. Addendum: Here's what another "good christian" had to say about
the most horrible terrorist act ever committed in America: "I really
believe," Falwell said on that now-famous "700 Club" appearance to a
nodding Pat Robertson on Sept. 13, "that the pagans, and the
abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians, who
are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU,
People For the American Way, all of them who tried to secularize
America, I point the finger in their face and say you helped this
happen." Dear Jesus: please save me from your followers. THE FAGS
BLEW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER! It must be their skill at "blowing".
Ha ha, ah man. Whew.

4. "Facts" are slippery things, aren't they?

Categories favoring Gore

Absentee ballots cast statewide by Republican voters following the
illegal solicitation of absentee ballots by the Florida Republican
Party: 50,000?
Absentee ballots that could not be read by voting machines, but were
illegally "duplicated" by county election officials: 10,000 (60%
Bush?)
Legal voters who were disenfranchised by Katherine Harris through the
criminally inaccurate purge of "felons": 1,100 (90% Gore)
Absentee ballots cast in Seminole and Martin counties by Republican
voters following the criminal alteration of defective ballot
applications by Republican operatives: 5,000 (99% Bush)
Votes meant for Gore but cast for Buchanan because of the "butterfly
ballot" in Palm Beach: 3,000 (100% Gore)
Voters who went to the polls but were unable to cast a vote because of
language problems (and no translators) or physical disability: (70%
Gore)
Registrations submitted from black colleges but not processed: (90%
Gore)
Overseas military ballots that were not legal, but were counted
because of massive pressure from the Bush campaign: 680 (71% Bush)
Police checkpoints near black precincts: 0
Categories favoring Bush

Illegal votes by felons: 5,600 (90% Gore?)
Premature network projections for Gore 10 minutes before polls closed
in the Panhandle: 10 (60% Bush?)

5. Bombing Iraq is fucking pathetic. It's a sop. A distraction from a
fractured economy and crumbling infrastructure. "Ooooh, but Iraq has a
N/B/C program! Saddam is the 2nd coming of Hitler! Etc." Fuck that.
So does China. Why not bomb China? China has nukes, disease, and
lots of sarin. Plus around a billion Chinese who have been
brainwashed not to like us. China exports shit to countries that hate
us all the time. Hell, China is slowly taking over America via
Wal-Marts. China has a hideous, horrible record of human rights
violations -- they routinely use tanks to run over college students.
Iraq just kinda sits there. China is obviously much more of threat.
So why don't we bomb THEM, tough guys? Why don't you right-wing
assholes want to push THEM around?

ANSWER: We can probably kick Iraq's ass, even though it will alienate
us in the world community (which is good for you right-wing fuckbags,
since you guys LOVE isolationism, John Wayne style). Iraq is a pussy
pushover, and a good place to check and see if the stealth bombers
will still fly. China, on the other hand...those bastards probably
wouldn't even let CNN in to film the smart bombs going through
chimneys!

--scharmers
--want war? boot up a flight-sim. more fun that way.

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Gee Phil whats your point? That some of the French suck...no doubt I
agree. That my family sucks...hey you are entitled to your opinion.
But winning the Croix Du Guerre usually means that you arent the sit
at home type. Glad you show some concern for my dad...but sadly for
you he was a bit young to be what you hoped he would be from 39 to 45.
Apparently he was enough of a man to make it into the 101st. here in
the states.

Also if you are stereotyping me as a gay basher you have picked on the
wrong person. True I do not like socialists but I dont believe that
all socialists are gay. Dont believe that being gay makes one a
coward. The most eloquent example of that was Flight 93 where one of
the people who revolted against the towel heads was gay.

But truth is the point you have is still inside your head. Why not
share it.

PAPA DOC

>
>Phil Young
>
>PS. Just to give you a start, I'm an Aethist, Socialist, Trade Union
>member Linux user. I'm not Gay, but I wouldn't want to make it too
>easy for you.
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Phil Young

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wrote:

>Gee Phil whats your point? That some of the French suck...no doubt I


>agree. That my family sucks...hey you are entitled to your opinion.

Not my opinion, that was the other guy. I think I might have got a
bit confused as to who said what to whom and when, but the other bloke
posted a load of abuse about the French (in genral) on the basis of
one French man writing a book with which he disagreed. Looking back
you didn't add to that sub-thread - maybe you ought to ??

It is a bit like rejecting, say, relativity on the grounds of it being
'Jewish Science'. The book's premise is either true of not whether it
is written by the French, Americans, British or Osama bin Laden.
(It's probably untrue btw asaik)

>But winning the Croix Du Guerre usually means that you arent the sit
>at home type.

True enough.

> Glad you show some concern for my dad...but sadly for
>you he was a bit young to be what you hoped he would be from 39 to 45.
>Apparently he was enough of a man to make it into the 101st. here in
>the states.

I wouldn't know, but I doubt you'd make this up. The other guy's
comments still stand in the sub-thread above.

>
>Also if you are stereotyping me as a gay basher you have picked on the
>wrong person.

Good - personally I despise some gay people that I know, but not
because they are gay, but because they are awful people. There seems
to be a certain type of stereotype US poster though who flys off the
handle and starts throwing round homophobic nonsense as if that would
prove them point. Noy yourself, but I'm sure there are some examples
on this massive thread.

>True I do not like socialists

All socialists ? Have you met them all ?? What about the socialists
in the Red Army who destroyed between 3/4 and 5/6 of the German Armour
at Kursk etc ? I'm sure you'd have them round for tea !

>but I dont believe that
>all socialists are gay.

I expect some are and some aren't

>Dont believe that being gay makes one a
>coward.

I expect some are and some aren't

>The most eloquent example of that was Flight 93 where one of
>the people who revolted against the towel heads was gay.
>

Your free use of a (racial?) epithet like 'Towel head' worries me
slightly. It's not big and it's not clever.

>But truth is the point you have is still inside your head. Why not
>share it.
>PAPA DOC
>
>>

I'm not sure that I have any specific point. I just found it odd that
you didn't seem to react to a load of spurious abuse about the French
(all of them), yet were justifiably proud of your French background.
I appreciate consistency, but as I've admitted above you didn't
contribute to that sub-thread so my point is moot.

I don't see why people are objecting to the US president btw, that Mr.
Bartlett seems okay to me. It's that made-up one who sounds like
Deputy Dawg that worries me. Luckily that's just fiction......

Cheers,

Phil Young, Leamington Spa, 9:39pm, pissed as a fart......


JohnnyChemo

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"Scharmers" <scha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message , and

> TEST FOR OTHERS: Which has had a more lasting influence on our economy
> -- the minor financial and sexual scandals of the Redneck Bill, or
> Jr.'s Enrongate? Answer: who gives a fuck. Michael Moore has it
> right -- they're all crooks.

W's Enrongate? Sure, everything was by the books until W was sworn in.
THings
like "No controlling legal authority" and cooking the economics figures to
the tune
of 30% had nothing to do with providing a seemingly permissive environment
for such things. If anyone ever checked the governments books, they'd find
they
make anything corporate America has done look like the change under your
sofa cushions.

> 4. "Facts" are slippery things, aren't they?

Not if you make your own up ;)


>
> Categories favoring Gore
>
> Absentee ballots cast statewide by Republican voters following the
> illegal solicitation of absentee ballots by the Florida Republican
> Party: 50,000?

Ouch! Dont' pull such large numbers out your ass, it can cause brain
damage.

> Absentee ballots that could not be read by voting machines, but were
> illegally "duplicated" by county election officials: 10,000 (60%
> Bush?)

More like 1,000. At least get the numbers right.

> Legal voters who were disenfranchised by Katherine Harris through the
> criminally inaccurate purge of "felons": 1,100 (90% Gore)

Number of ineligble voters registered by the criminally inaccurate "Motor
Voter"
law? (90% Gore)

> Absentee ballots cast in Seminole and Martin counties by Republican
> voters following the criminal alteration of defective ballot
> applications by Republican operatives: 5,000 (99% Bush)

Define criminal alteration. Why no charges if this was a criminal act? Oh,
yeah,
Jeb covered. Yawn.

> Votes meant for Gore but cast for Buchanan because of the "butterfly
> ballot" in Palm Beach: 3,000 (100% Gore)

"Butterfly ballot" designed and signed off by Democrat party. I've seen the
ballot.
Even YOU couldn't fuck it up, Scharmers. Voters must at least exercise due
diligence.

> Voters who went to the polls but were unable to cast a vote because of
> language problems (and no translators) or physical disability: (70%
> Gore)

70% of nothing? Or is this one you forgot to make up anumber for?

> Registrations submitted from black colleges but not processed: (90%
> Gore)

Never heard this one. I don't believe it, Jesse, Al and Calypso Louie
would have been all over something like this.

> Overseas military ballots that were not legal, but were counted
> because of massive pressure from the Bush campaign: 680 (71% Bush)
> Police checkpoints near black precincts: 0

Maybe not, but damn, we heard a lot about them, didn't we? Makes you
wonder about the veracity of a lot of other Gore claims.

> Categories favoring Bush

I'll assume you just added ones I missed.
Btw - it was an hour before the polls closed in the panhandle. And you
forgot to inflate the numbers here. Appropriate, really, it should be in the
200-300 range.

> Illegal votes by felons: 5,600 (90% Gore?)
> Premature network projections for Gore 10 minutes before polls closed
> in the Panhandle: 10 (60% Bush?)


Yeah. Let's wait until he gets his NBC up and running so we can complain
that we can't attack then because he may use it. China hasn't been linked to
Al-Quaeda, and doesn't have any of their training facilities in their
country. China
hasn't paid off the family of suicide fuck bombers to stoke the fires with
Israel.
China pisses at Taiwan once every few months just to see if we notice. Iraq
has a far worse human rights record and constitutes a danger to the people
of
this country NOW. China may in the future, and if they do, we'll deal with
them
then. But for now, Iraq is a danger. No, they won't be marching down
Pennsylvania
Ave. but you may see one of your Chinese Wal Marts go up in a mushroom
cloud, or
hey, maybe the Super Bowl ala "Sum of All Fears."

The economy isn't quite fractured, even with a Democratic Senate. In fact it
is still
showing small growth and many positive indicators. Recovery won't happen
overnite,
just like the recession didn't happen overnight.


> 5. Bombing Iraq is fucking pathetic. It's a sop. A distraction from a
> fractured economy and crumbling infrastructure. "Ooooh, but Iraq has a
> N/B/C program! Saddam is the 2nd coming of Hitler! Etc." Fuck that.
> So does China. Why not bomb China? China has nukes, disease, and
> lots of sarin. Plus around a billion Chinese who have been
> brainwashed not to like us. China exports shit to countries that hate
> us all the time. Hell, China is slowly taking over America via
> Wal-Marts. China has a hideous, horrible record of human rights
> violations -- they routinely use tanks to run over college students.
> Iraq just kinda sits there. China is obviously much more of threat.
> So why don't we bomb THEM, tough guys? Why don't you right-wing
> assholes want to push THEM around?
>
> ANSWER: We can probably kick Iraq's ass, even though it will alienate
> us in the world community (which is good for you right-wing fuckbags,
> since you guys LOVE isolationism, John Wayne style). Iraq is a pussy
> pushover, and a good place to check and see if the stealth bombers
> will still fly. China, on the other hand...those bastards probably
> wouldn't even let CNN in to film the smart bombs going through
> chimneys!

As far as the world being alienated, don't count on it. We do the things
they only wish they
had the balls to do. That's why we;re at the top of the global food chain.
We oust Saddam,
and nobody will cry, and guess what--nobody will piss and moan that we
shouldn't have done
it. Once we bitch slap Hussein and Bin Laden, things will calm down. Look at
Khadafy - we
rattled his cage good and scared his ass straight. He even offered to help
in the fight against
terrorism.

I know a liberal pussy like you would rather invite Saddam over for a Mocha
and get him, Osama, and Yassir together hold hands and sing "Kum bye ya" but
all the gee whiz wishful thinking isn't going to change
the fact that they hate us and want us dead.

Gee. I thought you were an angry flight simmer all those times I read the
follies. Now I know you're just
a whiny pussy boy liberal crybaby. Shame

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hehe...Scharmers why talk when you are so easy to contradict.

>-- the minor financial and sexual scandals of the Redneck Bill, or
>Jr.'s Enrongate? Answer: who gives a fuck. Michael Moore has it
>right -- they're all crooks.

Lets see now all these scandals were rocking and rolling during those
heady times when Billy Boy was Prez. And those types of shenanigans
fit precisely his morality which is if it feels good do it. Aside from
that lets ask his Treasury Sec. how he did at Citibank

Robert E. Rubin, the former Treasury secretary and current vice
chairman of Citigroup Inc., is portrayed in the latest Enron lawsuit
as trying to protect the bank's extensive investments in Enron Corp.
by orchestrating a bailout for the energy giant in the fall. Top
Stories
its stocks

Mr. Rubin, who was lauded as one of the best Treasury secretaries in
history when he left the Clinton administration in May 1999, first
tried to get the Treasury Department to intervene in early November to
prevent a devastating downgrade of Enron by Wall Street's
credit-rating agencies.

Furthermore the economy was in the tank when George Jr. got there. But
admittedly he isnt doing alot to fix it. But Im sure we would disagree
on what he should be doing. I thought the Steel Tarifs were stupid and
the lumber protection counter productive, but I can see why he did it.
Cannot have those Demoncrats controlling the Senate another term.

>Categories favoring Gore
>
>Absentee ballots cast statewide by Republican voters following the
>illegal solicitation of absentee ballots by the Florida Republican
>Party: 50,000?

Really illegal? How so....?

>Absentee ballots that could not be read by voting machines, but were
>illegally "duplicated" by county election officials: 10,000 (60%
>Bush?)

Oh really how so...?

>Legal voters who were disenfranchised by Katherine Harris through the
>criminally inaccurate purge of "felons": 1,100 (90% Gore)

Ms. Harris did that...??? I thought the state of Florida had a policy
of that for several years and that the company they hired to track
that screwed up and Florida reinstated a bunch of them prior to 2000.

>Absentee ballots cast in Seminole and Martin counties by Republican
>voters following the criminal alteration of defective ballot
>applications by Republican operatives: 5,000 (99% Bush)

Criminal....?? And they didnt get prosecuted...? How were they
criminal?

>Votes meant for Gore but cast for Buchanan because of the "butterfly
>ballot" in Palm Beach: 3,000 (100% Gore)

Yup designed by a demoncrat....maybe they should have designed them
better.

>Voters who went to the polls but were unable to cast a vote because of
>language problems (and no translators) or physical disability: (70%
>Gore)

Shit really awwww.....70% which amounted to how many voters and whats
your source for this tidbit.

>Registrations submitted from black colleges but not processed: (90%
>Gore)

Holy smokes there is that racism thing again I was wondering when that
would be played.

>Overseas military ballots that were not legal, but were counted
>because of massive pressure from the Bush campaign: 680 (71% Bush)

What wasnt legal about them...? How many ballots were counted for Bore
that were determined by mindreading ? How many ballots for Bush were
"lost" by demoncrats counting the ballots.


>Illegal votes by felons: 5,600 (90% Gore?)
>Premature network projections for Gore 10 minutes before polls closed
>in the Panhandle: 10 (60% Bush?)

Only ten people went home in the entire country because of that early
Call for Bore..? You mean all those people standing in the long lines
in the Panhandle went ahead and voted...? All those people in other
farther west states went ahead and voted when Florida had been
called...? Oooh I dont think so. Here is what CNN had to say about it.

Between 10 p.m. and

2 a.m., the figures show a Bush lead, but not one that is certain
enough to warrant a call. During this time, Karl Rove, chief
strategist for the Bush campaign, is interviewed by Shaw on CNN and
says, “…let me tell you, Bernie, you all called Florida before Florida
even closed its polls. Florida is a state which votes in two time
zones. The Republican panhandle of Florida is in the central time
zone, and you all called Florida before the polls had even closed in
Panama City and Fort Walton Beach and Pensacola.” Shortly after, CNN
commentator Hal Bruno acknowledges that Rove “made a very good point
when he said that, you know, the panhandle in there in the west is on
a different time zone. That’s on central time, not on eastern time,
and a lot of votes still had to come in from there.”


>5. Bombing Iraq is fucking pathetic. It's a sop. A distraction from a
>fractured economy and crumbling infrastructure. "Ooooh, but Iraq has a
>N/B/C program! Saddam is the 2nd coming of Hitler! Etc." Fuck that.

Fuck that...? Well ok so all those ties to Al Queda are imaginary? The
fact that he was implicated in both of the WTC incidents imaginary?
The fact that Al Queda trained at his bases, imaginary? The fact that
Saddam had airliners set up at a base to train terrorists how to
hijack imaginary? The fact that the Abu Nidal was assasinated because
of his refusal to collaborate with Al Queda imaginary...? I see lets
wait till he gets nuclear weapons and see whether he actually uses
them.

So can we attack him if he blows up say....Seattle? Or will you then
say that we cannot attack him because he has nukes?

> So does China. Why not bomb China? China has nukes, disease, and
>lots of sarin. Plus around a billion Chinese who have been
>brainwashed not to like us. China exports shit to countries that hate
>us all the time. Hell, China is slowly taking over America via
>Wal-Marts. China has a hideous, horrible record of human rights
>violations -- they routinely use tanks to run over college students.
>Iraq just kinda sits there. China is obviously much more of threat.
>So why don't we bomb THEM, tough guys? Why don't you right-wing
>assholes want to push THEM around?

Glad you approve about dealing with China...yup we will get to them.
Not as big a problem as you might think.

>
>ANSWER: We can probably kick Iraq's ass, even though it will alienate
>us in the world community (which is good for you right-wing fuckbags,

You know that when we went to war with Hitler alot of the same things
were said about him.

>since you guys LOVE isolationism, John Wayne style). Iraq is a pussy
>pushover, and a good place to check and see if the stealth bombers
>will still fly. China, on the other hand...those bastards probably
>wouldn't even let CNN in to film the smart bombs going through
>chimneys!

What we love is being left alone no doubt...had the Al Queda and
Saddam decided to leave us alone George would have backed out of
acting as a Police man around the world. That was his bent....he had
been critized for that very quality. Its a Republican habit to want to
stay the hell out of other countries business but attack us and well
any job worth doing is worth doing well.

PAPA DOC

Adamski

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wrote:

>--scharmers
>--want war? boot up a flight-sim. more fun that way.

YAY!!! Back on topic at last!!!

Adamski.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

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Excellent links...thanks

PAPA DOC

>There are actually many photos of probable aircraft debris at the
>Pentagon:
>
>http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/art/slides/terrorism/pentagon1/8.jpg
>(Mark Faram)
>http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg (Geoff Metcalf)
>http://www.army.mil/usar/images/news/archived/2001/disaster/gallery/burgess/Roll4097.jpg
>(Carmen Burgess)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/pentdebris2d.jpg (CNN's Jamie
>McIntyre)
>http://www.niftythings.org/usattack/pentagon/shot07.jpg (CBS video)
>
>****These are photos of the same piece, bearing red markings with
> white borders on silver aluminum, which matches the American
> Airlines logo, cf. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lettering4.jpg.
>
>http://www.publicedcenter.org/final/P9110128.jpg (Eric Gundersen)
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/25414821/25415706xebMlFlpjL
>(baker1776)
>
>****These are photos of another large silver piece with red paint,
> bearing what looks like the red "C" from the "American Airlines"
> logo. Two witnesses, Chaplain Vern Schueller and Arthur Santana,
> recall seeing such a piece lying on a wall about 200 feet from
> the impact area.
>
>http://www.army.mil/usar/images/news/archived/2001/disaster/gallery/burgess/Roll4111.jpg
>(Carmen Burgess)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/pentmoredebris.jpg (Carmen Burgess)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/pentagonp4.jpg (Carmen Burgess)
>http://www.army.mil/usar/images/news/archived/2001/disaster/gallery/burgess/Roll5141.jpg
>(Carmen Burgess)
>http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/8173.jpg (Anonymous)
>
>****More silver-and-red metal fragments, with some yellow-green
> pieces.
>
>http://www.eeplaza.com/z6t6plane.jpg (Michael Lutzky)
>http://www.house.gov/berkley/images/mil_pentagon_relief_plane.jpg
>(Shelley Berkley)
>http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/7725.jpg (Anonymous)
>http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/8079.jpg (Anonymous)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/pentdebris2e.jpg (CNN's Jamie
>McIntyre)
>http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/11.jpg (Geoff Metcalf)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/07170003b.JPG (ABC video)
>http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/07160034c.JPG (ABC video)
>
>****More probable aircraft fragments on the lawn and heliport.
>
>http://pws.hqbn.belvoir.army.mil/MVC-028Sa.JPG (FBHB)
>http://pws.hqbn.belvoir.army.mil/MVC-027S.JPG (FBHB)
>
>****Probable plane debris inside the Pentagon.
>
>http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091118.jpg
>
>****Tire tread near the C-ring punchout hole. Here is a comparison
> with one of the landing gears recovered at the World Trade Center:
> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/pentagonplanetire.jpg
>
>http://photos.fema.gov/high/VA_Pentagon_0901_135.jpg (FEMA)
>http://photos.fema.gov/high/VA_Pentagon_0901_136.jpg (FEMA)
>
>****Unclear what this is, possibly an engine disk?
>
>See http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/wreckagephotos.html for
>discussion.
>
>> You'd surely expect to see whole sections of wing, fuselage and perhaps
>> even engine lying around. When the Pan Am flight was blown up over
>> Lockerbie, there where still parts identifiable as being from an aircraft,
>> enough certainly for researchers to physically collect and piece them back
>> together.
>
>The two crashes cannot be compared like this. Each crash has its own
>peculiar circumstances that affects the final result. The Pan Am
>flight blew up in mid-flight while the Pentagon plane flew at high
>speed into a reinforced concrete building. With almost the whole
>plane punching out a hole into the building (contrary to popular
>opinion, the hole was not a small circular 12-foot hole but one that
>fit the entire plane except for the tailfin and wingtips), there were
>no sections of the plane to be found on the ground -- it was all
>inside the building. And as the plane hit structural pillars inside
>the building, it was ripped into pieces by its own momentum which took
>it inside whatever interior spaces the plane would fit. Whatever
>debris littered the Pentagon lawn (in most cases small pieces) was
>likely blown out of the building in the explosion.
>
>--isopodia

John Malcolm

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Thanks for taking the effort to post these here. And a big thank-you for the
adult and mature nature of your post, with no silly name calling, chest
thumping or abuse. I'll admit that these photos present fairly compelling
eveidence, but I still have many questions about the whole 911 event as
presented by the US goverment and media. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Thanks
again!

"Isopodia" <ccame...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> "John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> > In none of the photos released of damage to the Pentagon can one see a
> > single piece of aircraft wreckage.

PAPADOC

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Had you the least interest in what actually happened a casual search
would have brought you to photos like these, eyewitness accounts,
movies and the like.

But no you would rather believe the signals coming to your Tin Foil
Beenie hat

PAPA DOC

>Thanks for taking the effort to post these here. And a big thank-you for the
>adult and mature nature of your post, with no silly name calling, chest
>thumping or abuse. I'll admit that these photos present fairly compelling
>eveidence, but I still have many questions about the whole 911 event as
>presented by the US goverment and media. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Thanks
>again!
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Dusty Rhodes

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Ding Ding Ding, you have the right answers! Very nice post!

Dusty Rhodes

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John Malcolm

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That's why you were able to supply them to the thread instead of resorting
to silly name calling, chest thumping and abuse..... Oh shit.... sorry that
was the other guy. You have accused me of being:

a) A tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut simply for asking a few questions,
and asking to be pointed in the direction of the proof, which about 65 posts
later someone kindly did, and guess what.... it wasn't you. It was someone
with, as you said yourself, "the least interest in what actually happened"

b) A holocaust denier. Don't know how you decided that. Is it because I
don't like Ariel Sharon?

c) An idiot. A person of profound mental retardation? My education would
imply differently.

d) "A scumsucking surrender monkey". WTF! Who am I supposed to be
surrendering to?

e) A "Nazi fuck" seemingly for implying that George W. Bush is one.

That's enough about what you think about me, let's loom at what we KNOW
about you.

a) Your entire repertoire of "rude words" seems to consist of: Fuck,
fucking, scumsucking, towelhead, shit, motherfucker and bitchin.

b) You don't like Nazis, Socialists, France, Arabs, Muslims, China,
Europeans or the Japanese... have I left anyone out? Mexicans? Vietnamese?
Disabled people? The mentally ill? Catholics? Black people? Will you deal
with each of these groups after you're finished with the "towel heads"?

c) You are argumentative, abusive, xenophobic and would appear to have some
unresolved "emotional issues". Share them with the group! That's right, get
them off your chest and have a big cry.

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Adamski

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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood
boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
in seizing the rights of the citizenry.

Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism,
will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How
do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

(Julius Caesar)

Jay Williams

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Are you the same guy who, in a previous thread, suggested the moon landings
were faked????

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John Malcolm

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In short..... no. fish out of water. Are you the same guy who, in a previous
thread, suggested Africans haven't contributed anything to human
development, since mankind originated there?

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Dr Oddness Killtroll

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John Malcolm wrote:

> That's why you were able to supply them to the thread instead of resorting
> to silly name calling, chest thumping and abuse..... Oh shit.... sorry that
> was the other guy. You have accused me of being:
>
> a) A tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut simply for asking a few questions,
> and asking to be pointed in the direction of the proof, which about 65 posts
> later someone kindly did, and guess what.... it wasn't you. It was someone
> with, as you said yourself, "the least interest in what actually happened"
>
> b) A holocaust denier. Don't know how you decided that. Is it because I
> don't like Ariel Sharon?
>
> c) An idiot. A person of profound mental retardation? My education would
> imply differently.
>
> d) "A scumsucking surrender monkey". WTF! Who am I supposed to be
> surrendering to?
>
> e) A "Nazi fuck" seemingly for implying that George W. Bush is one.

Thats sounds about right. Maybe PD was being a bit charitable...

> That's enough about what you think about me, let's loom at what we KNOW
> about you.
>
> a) Your entire repertoire of "rude words" seems to consist of: Fuck,
> fucking, scumsucking, towelhead, shit, motherfucker and bitchin.

Seems is a big word, silly boy...

> b) You don't like Nazis, Socialists, France, Arabs, Muslims, China,
> Europeans or the Japanese...

Some of all those groups ahve been real assholes, in the past. I suppose you
disagree...

> have I left anyone out? Mexicans? Vietnamese?
> Disabled people? The mentally ill? Catholics? Black people?

Accusations of racism are the refuge of weak minded fools. You are one.

> Will you deal
> with each of these groups after you're finished with the "towel heads"?

Deal with?

Get a clue, dude.

> c) You are argumentative, abusive, xenophobic and would appear to have some
> unresolved "emotional issues". Share them with the group! That's right, get
> them off your chest and have a big cry.

You must be a 'psychologist', as your ability to read people, and understand
messages, and motivations is seriously flawed. Go back to school...

DrOk

Dr Oddness Killtroll

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Sounds like Saddam to me...

Bomb Iraq.

DrOk

John Malcolm

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I wasn't addressing you, but while I'm here: Hiding behind silly made up
names is the refuge of the weak minded. Kindly explain to me how accusing
the USA of becoming a fascist police state makes ME a nazi?

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Dr Oddness Killtroll

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John Malcolm wrote:

> In short..... no. fish out of water. Are you the same guy who, in a previous
> thread, suggested Africans haven't contributed anything to human
> development, since mankind originated there?

Africans have contributed much to the advancement of human civilization.

Just not recently.

Read a paper. Read a book. Go there. Three countries are currently on the verge
of famine, and have tons of western food in warehouses, that they wont let thier
people eat. Becuase the food was grown with 'genetically altered' seed.

Make of that what you will, but there simply isnt any leadership on that
continent.

Africa is simply one giant cleptocracy. The people are being destroyed by evil,
or simply bad, leadership.

Now, spew you liberal, western insulated (nonreal) response.

DrOk

Dusty Rhodes

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6 degrees of seperation I guess. LMAO

Dusty Rhodes

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endorphin

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Dusty Rhodes wrote:
>
> Thats it...better picks for
> > the Texas Rangers.
> >
> > PAPA DOC
> >
>
> God knows they need em right now.
>
> Dusty Rhodes

Prime example of the Rangers cranial rectal inversion is trading Sousa
away.

FLY135

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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> c) An idiot. A person of profound mental retardation? My education would
> imply differently.

I can respond to this one because I did call you an idiot. You are the one
who first made the insulting remark that "Americans should be shitting
themselves with embarassment" and claimed Americans were "spoon fed by CNN".
This was in reference to your belief that the passenger jet that hit the
Pentagon didn't exist and was a fabrication by the US govt. Then you went
on to dismiss the fact that a passenger jet full of people missing gave any
creedance to the supposed fact that this event really did happen. You
singled out Americans as being "spoon fed" while ignoring that no credible
news agency has reported anything like what you believe. Instead your
credible sources are web sites that offer up conjecture. Posts that any
crackpot could create.

The bottom line is that anytime somebody isn't happy with the amount of
information that is published, they invent conspiracy theories, accuse
people of lying, and stir up leagues of feeble minded followers like you to
champion their cause. I would suggest that you either got cheated in your
education, or somebody wasted money attempting to educate you.


Chuck C.

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You know Boortz???

Chuck

--
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Benjamin Franklin

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

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Alrighty then back to the Nazi Tin Foil beenie idiot....

>That's why you were able to supply them to the thread instead of resorting
>to silly name calling, chest thumping and abuse..... Oh shit.... sorry that
>was the other guy. You have accused me of being:

Why would I supply you with anything except my most severe
condemnation which I did. You are truly a worthless sack of shit, you
did not propose a valid theory but something that a bunch of America
Hating French Surrender Monkies came up with because they want to do
something anything to discredit our war. Well fuck you and fuck them.

>a) A tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut simply for asking a few questions,
>and asking to be pointed in the direction of the proof, which about 65 posts
>later someone kindly did, and guess what.... it wasn't you. It was someone
>with, as you said yourself, "the least interest in what actually happened"

Yes when a person walks up to most sane people and asks a question
akin to wondering if those Flat Earthers are onto something he can
expect derision.

>b) A holocaust denier. Don't know how you decided that. Is it because I
>don't like Ariel Sharon?

Nope because they too allow their hatred of a people to color their
view of reality....I didnt realize that many people have this
inability to see reality.

>c) An idiot. A person of profound mental retardation? My education would
>imply differently.

Well my education consists of extensive reading. I guess you better
ask for your money back. But then you probably didnt pay for it...I
probably did. FUCK.

>d) "A scumsucking surrender monkey". WTF! Who am I supposed to be
>surrendering to?

You looked to be bending over for a variety of people but mainly those
Gay Towel Headed Arab Fanatic Murderers.

>e) A "Nazi fuck" seemingly for implying that George W. Bush is one.

And he is a Nazi for exactly what reason..?


>That's enough about what you think about me, let's loom at what we KNOW
>about you.
>
>a) Your entire repertoire of "rude words" seems to consist of: Fuck,
>fucking, scumsucking, towelhead, shit, motherfucker and bitchin.

Oooh I dont think I use bitchin too many times. Provide some quotes on
that. But you are correct about the other words....I stand by them in
reference to some of the groups you mention below.

>b) You don't like Nazis, Socialists, France, Arabs, Muslims, China,
>Europeans or the Japanese... have I left anyone out? Mexicans? Vietnamese?
>Disabled people? The mentally ill? Catholics? Black people? Will you deal
>with each of these groups after you're finished with the "towel heads"?

Awww its so disappointing when you start lying. I did not include the
Japanese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, disabled, mentally ill, catholics,
blacks, but that does fit your stereotype of anyone that things we
should defend ourselves against the towelheaded murderers.

About those others.
1. Nazi's yea you got me there...I really dont like those fuckers.
2. Socialists hey I wouldnt mind them if they promise to make their
systems voluntary. I dont think they will do that...so yes Im not very
fond of anyone that thinks they have a claim on my labor.
3. France the saddest of all but nevertheless making a best seller our
of Arab Fantasy is enough evidence to put them on my least favorite
country list. And I wanted to retire there. But the Anti Semetism and
in general Anti Americanism is sickening after so many American lives
were lost saving them in 2 wars.
4. Arabs those fucks are pretty damn silent about the biggest loss of
life in a terrorist event. This is especially grating since most if
not ALL of their wealth came from our efforts to find and produce oil
for them.
5. Well until the muslims around the world make a choice to silence
the radicals amonst them we all live in mortal danger of their
fanatism. Nothing worse as a terrorist than a religous fanatic because
they have zero reason to negoitiate.
6. China is playing a dangerous game of funding and supporting the
terrorists. George meant what he said when he said "Either you are
with us or you are against us". China in a war with us would last
about as long as Iraq did in 91.

>c) You are argumentative, abusive, xenophobic and would appear to have some
>unresolved "emotional issues". Share them with the group! That's right, get
>them off your chest and have a big cry.

No I get my therapy beating up on jerks like you and helping my wife.
She is carrying the heavy load in our contributions to the US.

PAPA DOC

John Malcolm

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"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> spluttered in message
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> Alrighty then back to the Nazi Tin Foil beenie idiot....
>
> >That's why you were able to supply them to the thread instead of
resorting
> >to silly name calling, chest thumping and abuse..... Oh shit.... sorry
that
> >was the other guy. You have accused me of being:
>
> Why would I supply you with anything except my most severe
> condemnation which I did. You are truly a worthless sack of shit, you
> did not propose a valid theory but something that a bunch of America
> Hating French Surrender Monkies came up with because they want to do
> something anything to discredit our war. Well fuck you and fuck them.
>

My initial post, questioned the US Governments inability to supply the world
with conclusive evidence linking Al Qaeda to the 911 events. We're still
waiting on that one. And where is the hard evidence linking countries like
Iraq and China into these events?

> >a) A tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut simply for asking a few
questions,
> >and asking to be pointed in the direction of the proof, which about 65
posts
> >later someone kindly did, and guess what.... it wasn't you. It was
someone
> >with, as you said yourself, "the least interest in what actually
happened"
>
> Yes when a person walks up to most sane people and asks a question
> akin to wondering if those Flat Earthers are onto something he can
> expect derision.

So you're claiming that no country has ever either engineered an event or
allowed to happen an event (of which they were forewarned), in able to
justify war or repression. The Reichstag fire and US and British
fore-knowledge of Pearl Harbour to name but two.

>
> >b) A holocaust denier. Don't know how you decided that. Is it because I
> >don't like Ariel Sharon?
>
> Nope because they too allow their hatred of a people to color their
> view of reality....I didnt realize that many people have this
> inability to see reality.

So you reckon because I dislike certain things about post-war US foreign
policy, I automatically become a denier of the holocaust. That is some
fucked up thinking.

>
> >c) An idiot. A person of profound mental retardation? My education would
> >imply differently.
>
> Well my education consists of extensive reading. I guess you better
> ask for your money back. But then you probably didnt pay for it...I
> probably did. FUCK.
>

"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative
pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls
into lazy habits of thinking."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

"Reading furnishes the mind only with materials of knowledge; it is thinking
that makes what we read ours."
John Locke (1632 - 1704)

"In the education of children there is nothing like alluring the interest
and affection, otherwise you only make so many asses laden with books."
Michel de Montaigne (1553 - 1592)

"Books are like a mirror. If an ass looks in, you can't expect an angel to
look out."
Arthur Schoenhauer

In the United Kingdom in general, and in Scotland in particular (which has
it's own, more highly regarded, education system), no one has to pay for
their education, just as everyone is entitled to free healthcare through the
National Health Service. A novel concept.... almost socialist (with a small
s). Are you implying that you somehow paid for my education.

I am a vociferous reader, and have been since a young child, but there comes
a point where you have to discover some things for yourself. For example you
can read thousands of books on military history, the armed forces and the
like, but that's no replacement for stepping forward as a volunteer and
donning the uniform of your country.


> >d) "A scumsucking surrender monkey". WTF! Who am I supposed to be
> >surrendering to?
>
> You looked to be bending over for a variety of people but mainly those
> Gay Towel Headed Arab Fanatic Murderers.
>

To surrender to someone usually implies that one is at war or has been
attacked by them. I haven't surrendered to anyone, and don't intend to. Nor
do I intend to surrender any principles I have.

> >e) A "Nazi fuck" seemingly for implying that George W. Bush is one.
>
> And he is a Nazi for exactly what reason..?
>
>

"There ought to limits to freedom"
--at a Press conference at the Texas State House, May 21, 1999

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long
as I'm the dictator..."
--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as
President-Elect

Where did the Bush family fortune come from? Here's a clue. Do a search for
"Prescott Bush" and see what unpleasantness turns up. The Office of Home
Security (plans for which were drawn up waaaaaay before 911) bears a
striking resemblance and structure to pre-war Nazi acts concentrating power
in the Executive branch.


> >That's enough about what you think about me, let's loom at what we KNOW
> >about you.
> >
> >a) Your entire repertoire of "rude words" seems to consist of: Fuck,
> >fucking, scumsucking, towelhead, shit, motherfucker and bitchin.
>
> Oooh I dont think I use bitchin too many times. Provide some quotes on
> that. But you are correct about the other words....I stand by them in
> reference to some of the groups you mention below.

"BTW I never said Andy is God...but hey he sure makes some bitching fine
sims..."
"Well actually we know the Israelis did it but its such a bitchin good time
bombing innocent Arab civilians..."

>
> >b) You don't like Nazis, Socialists, France, Arabs, Muslims, China,
> >Europeans or the Japanese... have I left anyone out? Mexicans?
Vietnamese?
> >Disabled people? The mentally ill? Catholics? Black people? Will you deal
> >with each of these groups after you're finished with the "towel heads"?
>
> Awww its so disappointing when you start lying. I did not include the
> Japanese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, disabled, mentally ill, catholics,
> blacks, but that does fit your stereotype of anyone that things we
> should defend ourselves against the towelheaded murderers.

Could you kindly explain how I was lying? In written English the symbol ?
usually denotes a question, not a statement. So most people would realise
that I was asking you if you xenophobia and hatred extended beyond what you
had already confirmed. Also, the constant repetition of the word
"towelheaded" is starting to wear a bit thin. I wasn't aware that any of the
alleged terrorists wore traditional Arab or Islamic headgear.

>
> About those others.
> 1. Nazi's yea you got me there...I really dont like those fuckers.

You have a lot in common with them. Anger and blame directed at certain
races and groups. Smells mighty familiar. They too were convinced that war,
aggression and expansion was the answer to their countries internal
problems.

> 2. Socialists hey I wouldnt mind them if they promise to make their
> systems voluntary. I dont think they will do that...so yes Im not very
> fond of anyone that thinks they have a claim on my labor.

When I think about socialism, I'm thinking along the lines of stronger trade
unions, more protection for workers, free education, free healthcare and a
society where the better off help those less fortunate, first of all in
their own country, then in the rest of the world. Not some kind of Stalinist
communism.

> 3. France the saddest of all but nevertheless making a best seller our
> of Arab Fantasy is enough evidence to put them on my least favorite
> country list. And I wanted to retire there. But the Anti Semetism and
> in general Anti Americanism is sickening after so many American lives
> were lost saving them in 2 wars.

I think many people in the United Kingdom and the former Soviet Union would
dispute the fact that America saved everybody in both world wars.

> 4. Arabs those fucks are pretty damn silent about the biggest loss of
> life in a terrorist event. This is especially grating since most if
> not ALL of their wealth came from our efforts to find and produce oil
> for them.

Well the people of Palestine for one have been brutalised illegally by USA
sponsored Israeli state terrorism for years. Why should they shed a tear for
the US?

> 5. Well until the muslims around the world make a choice to silence
> the radicals amonst them we all live in mortal danger of their
> fanatism. Nothing worse as a terrorist than a religous fanatic because
> they have zero reason to negoitiate.

And America and Americans have never sponsored terrorism? *cough* PIRA
*cough*. America also has it's share of fundamentalist religious fanatics.

> 6. China is playing a dangerous game of funding and supporting the
> terrorists. George meant what he said when he said "Either you are
> with us or you are against us". China in a war with us would last
> about as long as Iraq did in 91.
>

Prove it.

> >c) You are argumentative, abusive, xenophobic and would appear to have
some
> >unresolved "emotional issues". Share them with the group! That's right,
get
> >them off your chest and have a big cry.
>
> No I get my therapy beating up on jerks like you and helping my wife.
> She is carrying the heavy load in our contributions to the US.
>
> PAPA DOC
>

They only thing the poor woman seems to be carrying is you.


PAPADOC

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hehe....Tin Foil Beenie Head what am I gonna do with you.

>My initial post, questioned the US Governments inability to supply the world
>with conclusive evidence linking Al Qaeda to the 911 events. We're still
>waiting on that one. And where is the hard evidence linking countries like
>Iraq and China into these events?

Yup it was your SECOND post that question whether anything resembling
a Airliner hit the Pentagon. Your first post was whether Al Queda did
it or not....you probably believe that the Bin Laden Tapes were
forgeries no doubt. So it gets down to this..you arent really asking
for proof because no proof is conclusive enough for you. Thats why we
ignore you.

>So you're claiming that no country has ever either engineered an event or
>allowed to happen an event (of which they were forewarned), in able to
>justify war or repression. The Reichstag fire and US and British
>fore-knowledge of Pearl Harbour to name but two.

I knew you couldnt let go of that Tin Foil Beenie Hat Theory that 9/11
was a complete Hoax so that Bush could bomb Afganistan.

Pearl Harbor was exactly what it appeared to be...intelligence not
quite getting it together in time. Course Im sure that you have some
more of those delicious websites where they talk about UFO's, Deniers,
Pearl Harbor, and the rest of the nutcase conspiracy theories. You
like to believe in what makes the Governments of the US or Britain
look the worse.

>So you reckon because I dislike certain things about post-war US foreign
>policy, I automatically become a denier of the holocaust. That is some
>fucked up thinking.

Nope you become capable of believing in stuff like that....because
your political beliefs dont allow you to see what really happenes
after all conspiracy theories are so much juicier. Its entertainment
for you....only problem is for us and by that I mean the US its no
longer a game.

>"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative
>pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls
>into lazy habits of thinking."
>Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

Im sure that Albert would be proud to be quoted by a person that
actually believes that 9/11 was a hoax. He probably would be impressed
by your deductive reasoning.

>"Reading furnishes the mind only with materials of knowledge; it is thinking
>that makes what we read ours."
>John Locke (1632 - 1704)

As would John Locke.


>"Books are like a mirror. If an ass looks in, you can't expect an angel to
>look out."
>Arthur Schoenhauer

You are too funny because you are just like an elitist who carries
around these sorts of quotes ready to spring them on anyone just so he
can feel ever so superior. Only problem is its you who believed in the
tooth fairy....not me. Its my deductive reasoning thats not being
questioned and its yours thats so obviously in need of a severe kick
in the ass.

>In the United Kingdom in general, and in Scotland in particular (which has
>it's own, more highly regarded, education system), no one has to pay for
>their education, just as everyone is entitled to free healthcare through the
>National Health Service. A novel concept.... almost socialist (with a small
>s). Are you implying that you somehow paid for my education.

Someone paid for your education. Or do you think that free amounts to
no one paying for it...?

>I am a vociferous reader, and have been since a young child, but there comes
>a point where you have to discover some things for yourself. For example you
>can read thousands of books on military history, the armed forces and the
>like, but that's no replacement for stepping forward as a volunteer and
>donning the uniform of your country.

Yup sometimes donning that uniform can be a very enlightening
event...and sometimes it isnt. Guess which side you fall on. Remember
you believe in the tooth fairy and I do not.

>"There ought to limits to freedom"
>--at a Press conference at the Texas State House, May 21, 1999

Oh yea boy that was a terrible statement. You do realize that there
are indeed some limits to freedom here in the States as well in the
UK...right? He was attacking a website that was attacking him.
Certainly he was well within reason to say that that websites freedoms
dont extend to making libelous statements about him.


>"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long
>as I'm the dictator..."
>--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as
>President-Elect

Ooooh beenie head thats a real stretch there...here is the entire
quote.

"CHRIS BLACK, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Frank, President- elect
George W. Bush came to Capitol Hill today for the first time since the
election intending to listen to congressional leaders, the bipartisan
congressional leadership. But he also made it clear to them, in more
than two and a half hours of meetings, that he intends to stand by his
tax cut proposal and other planks in his campaign agenda.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that
there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each
other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a
lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

I was under the impression that you Brits knew a bit about humor.

>Where did the Bush family fortune come from? Here's a clue. Do a search for
>"Prescott Bush" and see what unpleasantness turns up. The Office of Home
>Security (plans for which were drawn up waaaaaay before 911) bears a
>striking resemblance and structure to pre-war Nazi acts concentrating power
>in the Executive branch.

Oh beenie baby those theories have the ring of Tinfoil beenies.

>"BTW I never said Andy is God...but hey he sure makes some bitching fine
>sims..."

Well Im glad you are searching so far back to find posts of mine.
There is always hope that some of me will rub off on you.

>"Well actually we know the Israelis did it but its such a bitchin good time
>bombing innocent Arab civilians..."

So I have used it ONE time recently. Its a small point but at this
point you arent making any points so I guess a small point is better
than no points. Judges please award one small point to Beenie Baby.

> Also, the constant repetition of the word
>"towelheaded" is starting to wear a bit thin. I wasn't aware that any of the
>alleged terrorists wore traditional Arab or Islamic headgear.

Ya but then again you arent aware of very much now are you. Head Towel
Head himself Binny Baby loves wearing those dirty rags...I hear he
uses them for nearly everything.

>> 3. France the saddest of all but nevertheless making a best seller our
>> of Arab Fantasy is enough evidence to put them on my least favorite
>> country list. And I wanted to retire there. But the Anti Semetism and
>> in general Anti Americanism is sickening after so many American lives
>> were lost saving them in 2 wars.
>
>I think many people in the United Kingdom and the former Soviet Union would
>dispute the fact that America saved everybody in both world wars.

Ah that same language interpretation problem of yours. No wonder you
believe in all that nonsense. Tell the truth you do believe the world
is flat and that that round earth shit is just a George Bush
Conspiracy.

I didnt say we SAVED everyone....but I did say that when so many US
lives were lost (US mil casualties 297,793 WW2, UK mil casualties
306,213 WW2) in what was essentially a European war I expect the
French to be a bit more grateful.

PAPA DOC

Allan Mayer

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In article <NiBb9.3420$S51.1...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, "John Malcolm"
<johnmal...@hotmail.com> writes:

>Well the people of Palestine for one have been brutalised illegally by USA
>sponsored Israeli state terrorism for years. Why should they shed a tear for
>the US?

Well lets see here...

As soon as the state of Israel was created, the Arabs attacked them !!!
Not once but several times, and inbetween, attacked with terrorist
attacks. Israel was on the defensive from day one and was always
fighting against greater numbers, from several countries, and directions.
When they repeatedly kicked the arabs asses, and overrun land from
whence attacks came from, the arabs cried foul, and wanted the land back.
What so they could keep trying from it ???

Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html

"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."


Adam Banks

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:08:52 GMT, "Chuck C." <nony...@all.com> wrote:

>> "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
>> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
>> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
>> the mind.
>>
>> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood
>> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
>> in seizing the rights of the citizenry.
>>
>> Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism,
>> will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How
>> do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
>>
>> (Julius Caesar)
>
>You know Boortz???

No ... who he? (Serious question).

Well ... just looked him up in the search engines. Never heard of him.
But then I'm only a faggot socialist from the UK that defected to NZ
<g>.

Adamski.

PAPADOC

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Aug 30, 2002, 11:31:37 AM8/30/02
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Last time I read the rules of war hehe...it was plainly stated that if
someone attacks you and you kick their asses and drive them back from
whence they came and farther...you get to keep it all.

PAPA DOC

>As soon as the state of Israel was created, the Arabs attacked them !!!
>Not once but several times, and inbetween, attacked with terrorist
>attacks. Israel was on the defensive from day one and was always
>fighting against greater numbers, from several countries, and directions.
>When they repeatedly kicked the arabs asses, and overrun land from
>whence attacks came from, the arabs cried foul, and wanted the land back.
>What so they could keep trying from it ???
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>Allan
>http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
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>"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

JohnnyChemo

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Aug 30, 2002, 12:26:17 PM8/30/02
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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When I think about socialism, I'm thinking along the lines of stronger
trade
> unions, more protection for workers, free education, free healthcare and a
> society where the better off help those less fortunate, first of all in
> their own country, then in the rest of the world. Not some kind of
Stalinist
> communism.

There's no such thing as a 'free' anything. That's the problem with people
like
you. Someone has to create the wealth to provide those goods and services.
Government creates no wealth, it only takes it from the producers. Those
"free" services are costing you in the form of taxation under all its
wonderful
guises (ie licensing fees etc.).

My biggest gripe about socialism can be equated with say....a group project
you may have had to do at school or work. What's the biggest pain in the
ass about these? Usually it boils down for a few members of the group
doing all the work, while the rest of the group fucks off. Expand this
concept
to a country sized population - you get a small percentage of people working
to sustain a large amount of schleps. These non-contributors then will bitch
if they don't get top-notch goods and services!! After all - "it's not fair"
that
some people have the self-motivation to work their asses off to the point
that
they can afford to treat themselves to the better things in life.

Socialism is by its very nature a way to punish those who achieve and reward
those who do not. Does that sound like a self-sustaining system? Government,
and by government I mean politicians, wind up with an inordinate amount of
power in such a system -so much needs to be controlled. And as the saying
goes,
power corrupts....

I have no problem with providing temporary support to those who are in dire
need,
but if they lift no finger to help themselves, then I have no sympathy for
them.

The only thing socialism will succeed in doing is spreading misery equally.

There is an old joke that sums up the difference between socialism and
capitalism.
Last time I heard it told, it went like this-
"Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbochov are walking down a street when they
come
upon the mansion of an obviously very well off man. Gorbochov looks sadly at
the
opulent display, shakes his head and says "No man should have so much."
Reagan, looking at the house smiling, says "Every man should have as much."


JohnnyChemo

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Aug 30, 2002, 12:27:46 PM8/30/02
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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am a vociferous reader, and have been since a young child, but there
comes

Maybe you should try reading with your mouth shut and you mind open.

John Malcolm

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Aug 30, 2002, 2:38:32 PM8/30/02
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"JohnnyChemo" <johnn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:NiBb9.3420
>
> > When I think about socialism, I'm thinking along the lines of stronger
> trade
> > unions, more protection for workers, free education, free healthcare and
a
> > society where the better off help those less fortunate, first of all in
> > their own country, then in the rest of the world. Not some kind of
> Stalinist
> > communism.
>
> There's no such thing as a 'free' anything. That's the problem with people
> like
> you. Someone has to create the wealth to provide those goods and services.
> Government creates no wealth, it only takes it from the producers. Those
> "free" services are costing you in the form of taxation under all its
> wonderful
> guises (ie licensing fees etc.).
>

When the the term "free healthcare" (for example) is used, most intelligent
people realise that it doesn't mean that doctors, nurses and other
healthcare workers do their job for nothing, but that the healthcare is paid
for by the government from the pool of money collected by taxation. Yes, it
means that those without jobs don't contribute towards their treatment, but
again, anyone with half a fucking brain knows the links between poverty and
ill health.

> My biggest gripe about socialism can be equated with say....a group
project
> you may have had to do at school or work. What's the biggest pain in the
> ass about these? Usually it boils down for a few members of the group
> doing all the work, while the rest of the group fucks off. Expand this
> concept

You analogy sucks to be honest. The system as it stands at the moment in the
US, is more like 1 or 2 individuals do nothing, because they are priveliged
and in a position of power (maybe they are bullies), while the rest of the
class completes the project for them.

> to a country sized population - you get a small percentage of people
working
> to sustain a large amount of schleps. These non-contributors then will
bitch
> if they don't get top-notch goods and services!! After all - "it's not
fair"
> that
> some people have the self-motivation to work their asses off to the point
> that
> they can afford to treat themselves to the better things in life.
>

*snore*

Capitalism replies on the false premise that everyone can have as much. What
a load of bollocks. America is the number one polluter and the number one
consumer on the planet. Can you imagine of everyone in the world "pulled
their fingers out" (and were allowed to). Capitalism relies on a pyramid
shaped system of power. Those at the top exploit those further down and so
on. Meanwhile we get global warming, devestating weather changes, huge areas
of the Amazon rainforest cut down to supply grazing land for cattle so that
the average American citizen can increase on his or her already obese bulk
by a few more McGreed burgers a year, billions living in abject poverty in
the third world, their lands and resources exploited and raped by the first
world..... blah, blah..... you get the picture.


FLY135

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Aug 30, 2002, 3:00:21 PM8/30/02
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"John Malcolm" <johnmal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Capitalism replies on the false premise that everyone can have as much.

No, I think capitalism relies on the concept that is the opportunity is
there then the motivation to excel will follow.

> What
> a load of bollocks. America is the number one polluter and the number one
> consumer on the planet. Can you imagine of everyone in the world "pulled
> their fingers out" (and were allowed to).

I don't think I understand the last sentence. However you are right about
America being the number one consumer. Could you imagine what would happen
to many people in this world if we stopped consuming foreign goods?

> Capitalism relies on a pyramid
> shaped system of power. Those at the top exploit those further down and so
> on.

That isn't capitalism. That is the meaning of life.

> Meanwhile we get global warming, devestating weather changes, huge areas
> of the Amazon rainforest cut down to supply grazing land for cattle so
that
> the average American citizen can increase on his or her already obese bulk
> by a few more McGreed burgers a year, billions living in abject poverty in
> the third world, their lands and resources exploited and raped by the
first
> world..... blah, blah..... you get the picture.

Yeah, the picture is we should go to those other countries and force them to
preserve their natural assets regardless of the adverse effect on their
economy. Or is it that we should adopt a policy of isolation and put up
huge trade barriers so that Americans only produce and consume products from
within it's borders. Screw the other countries and the fact that the loss
of trade with the US could have a tremendous negative impact on the lives of
their people. Maybe you could explain yourself from a perspective of what
should be done and what the expected tradeoffs and benefits are. Because I
really don't get any meaningful information from your posting.


John Malcolm

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Aug 30, 2002, 2:54:33 PM8/30/02
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What a sad, old, cantankerous bugger you are. Let's try again shall we. I'll
try and use reasonably short words to allow for the fact that you were
either born or brought up in America. In my previous post I asked several
questions.

a) Where is the hard evidence linking countries like Iraq and China into
these events?
* Unanswered

b) So you're claiming that no country has ever either engineered an event or


allowed to happen an event (of which they were forewarned), in able to

justify war or repression? (I missed out what we call a question mark in
that one, but it was still worded as a question).
* Unanswered - a simply yes or no would suffice.

c) So you reckon because I dislike certain things about post-war US foreign
policy, I automatically become a denier of the holocaust?
* Answered "Nope"

d) Are you implying that you somehow paid for my education?
* Answer "Someone paid for your education". Jesus, what a mind. Yes
education in the United Kingdom is paid for by the taxpayer, of which I am
one now.

e) Where did the Bush family fortune come from?
* Completely unanswered. The answer is well documented. Yet another skeleton
in the Bush cupboard.
f) Could you kindly explain how I was lying?

g) Why should they (the people of Palestine) shed a tear for the US?
* Unanswered

h) America and Americans have never sponsored terrorism?
* Unanswered

i) Prove it? (China sponsoring terrorism and/or linked to 9th September)
* Completely unanswered

So, all you did was talk a lot of shite and answer 1 question out of 8. Now,
you're not required to answer any questions, but in polite debate it's
considered normal. Only slimy politician types tend to be so evasive.

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