What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain masking
and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've had
with your joystick?
My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me smile with
the little details.
Si.
There is really nothing like participating in their historic scenarios. A
box of 15 B17s flying in flak over Hamburg. 12 P-38s on close escort and 20
P-51s on sweep - opposed by 40 Me-109s, 110s and FW-190s. All flown by
real people. Awesome immersion.
duke out
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Simon Robbins <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Just a quick survey:
>
> What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far,
naturally).
> No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain
masking
> and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've
had
> with your joystick?
>
Janes F-15 or WW2F. A toss up. Had my favorite stick time with both.
-Fluke
--
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SGI HE Graphics/Video Test Engr
Now just for reference, the best series of flight sims ever (in my opinion)
was the Wing Commander outerspace sims. When it first came out, I upgraded
my 286 to play it. When secret ops came out with the first digitized
speech, I got a 386 with a SoundBlaster...etc.....etc.....etc....Pentium II,
voodoo banshee....etc...etc....
I got so addicted I played till my hands cramped up, I had dreams of the
characters in the story line as if they were real people. Hell I was even
known to put on my motorcycle helmet to play a couple missions on those cold
late nights......
Now what game has had YOU that wrapped up....That's how I define the best
games....what makes it hard to sleep,work ,etc.
..or maybe I'm just a nutcase.
TPL
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Simon Robbins <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Falcon 3.0 Gold with Mig29 Add-On. I still keep the old P133 around to run
her.
Dave
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Reinier Leendertz <rjlf...@telcel.net.ve> wrote in message
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Falcon 4 will have a place on that list as soon as it's fixed....
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My vote is for Falcon 4. Falcon 3 was more amazing for its time.
Medusa <medusa-...@USAF.org> wrote in message
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>I got so addicted I played till my hands cramped up, I had dreams of the
>characters in the story line as if they were real people. Hell I was even
>known to put on my motorcycle helmet to play a couple missions on those
cold
>late nights......
>
>Now what game has had YOU that wrapped up....That's how I define the best
>games....what makes it hard to sleep,work ,etc.
>
By that Criteria, Gunship 2000 did that for me. :) Rushed home from work
every single day to put about 8 more hours into that one. *ggg*
Falcon3 and F-15 SEIII were a close second.
D. "Dada" Miller
"You can't fight in here; this is the War room!"
--Dr. Strangelove.
D. "Dada" Miller
"You can't fight in here; this is the War room!"
--Dr. Strangelove
.
Robert Thomson wrote in message <7p2it6$o1n$1...@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca>...
Jerry Morelock
> I cant believe yall ran wc3 on a 486, I remember I had a p166!!!! at that
> time and it rocked.
<snip
Reinier Leendertz <rjlf...@telcel.net.ve> wrote in message
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> Janes F15, runner up USNF series
DonC
Ditto.
Throw in Tornado between Fleet Defender and Flanker, and add Warbirds in
there for megaplayer.
But as much as I loved F3...
...Fleet Defender I hold with the highest esteem.
-Surfer
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VMFA-333 Tres Equis/510th TFW
-Falcon_4 Senior Instructor Pilot-
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phi...@pacbell.net
>Just a quick survey:
>
>What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
>No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain masking
>and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've had
>with your joystick?
>
>My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me smile with
>the little details.
>
>Si.
>
Hmmm... gut reaction? Has to be LongBow2.
Magnus "Razorback" Lekay
718th Tactical Fighter Wing - Skyscrapers
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut
(the boys who beta tested EAW)
The Best of the Best of the Best
Jack
PAPA DOC
>Just a quick survey:
>
>What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
>No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain masking
>and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've had
>with your joystick?
>
>My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me smile with
>the little details.
>
>Si.
>
>
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Senior Falcon 4 Instructor Pilot
Su-27 Flanker Pink Flamingo Pilot
www.papadoc.net
Home of the Falcon 4 Benchmarks
Fighting fighters going in then droping my bombs. Fighting fighters on
the way out with one and one half engines. Oil preasures dropping and
the heat is rising. Am i gonna make it home after all that? At least
my bombs hit the IP and a job well done.
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In article <7p1ba0$7v6$1...@nntp3.uunet.ca>,
"Simon Robbins" <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Just a quick survey:
>
> What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far,
naturally).
> No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain
masking
> and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun
you've had
> with your joystick?
>
> My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me
smile with
> the little details.
>
> Si.
>
>
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> Just a quick survey:
>
> What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
> No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain masking
> and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've had
> with your joystick?
>
> My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me smile with
> the little details.
>
> Si.
Whoa Si, this may get long <ggg.>
I remember the old days when sims were wire frame, all done in hexadecimal
or early DOS. Then the 386 and 486 helped, but two seminal moments changed my
world- The release of the original DOS EF2000, and the release of the original
Orchid 3dfx card. I was traveling a number of months later in London, and picked
up the Tactcom add-on to EF2000. This made the Voodoo come alive. Remember the
stink when it wasn't available in the states? About the same time the patch was
released for not only TactCom, but JetFighter3 and Flying Corps too. I think
fondly of the parade of folks that came to my house to see the serial number 43
Orchid Voodoo 1 card running in 3d acceleration. At that time, nobody else in
the state had one. Many folks actually got motion sickness, having never seen a
3d card in action. I ended up buying stock in the company at the IPO and doing
very well.
Now this kind of gear is so cheap, but remember when RAM cost an arm and a
leg. I think the industry turned the corner with the P1/166, pricey for the
time, but it was the first pro truly able to run 3D apps with a V1 Orchid card.
And cost to match, like three big for a P1/166 with 64M RAM. Then came the jump
to the P2/300, and it too was hot for awhile <ggg.> Seems like nowadays, my 464
with 256M PC100 RAM and 40M video RAM is getting long in the tooth <ggg.> Well,
time to upgrade, at least this one lasted a year. All the best, Mike
P.S. My vote goes to EAW, sim of the Century. F4 isn't bad, but just doesn't
have the immersiveness of EAW.
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It Features flying off carriers , doing torpedo and dive bombing runs,
acting as rear gunner in bombers,
mission builder , digitised speech, a believable flight model, a HEAP of
included missions.
I still keep a SB16 and CH speed adjustable joy card in my 366Mhz machine
(along with an early model Diamond PCI sound for Win games) just to play
1942PAW.
Please will some developers make a new WW2 Pacific theatre prop sim - Do we
really
need 8 WW2 europe sims. ARRGHH.
Michael Y
Nothing has ever been made with so many features and with so little bugs and
also included the fluff stuff for icing on the cake. Longbow 2 is the best sim
ever made IMHO.
KC Cook
KC Cook
dancho
In article <01bee62a$586ff620$90486ccb@pref8u>,
In article <7p1ba0$7v6$1...@nntp3.uunet.ca>,
"Simon Robbins" <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Just a quick survey:
>
> What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far,
naturally).
> No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain
masking
> and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun
you've had
> with your joystick?
>
> My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me
smile with
> the little details.
>
> Si.
>
>
--
...one who speaks, does not know...one who knows,
does not speak...
Too many similarities and competition between the fixed wing sims.
>It's tough, but I'd place the popular helo sims at the top. The original
>Gunship, and then the Longbow series, with LB2 nearly reaching perfection.
I'll vote for the original Gunship too....that sim was so immersive, I spent
hours and hours flying that helo......as much as I enjoy Longbow and LB2
neither seem as immersive as the orginal Gunship did. Of course I was only 16
then......
Rich
So, my penny to F-19 then.
Nick "Silk" Long
Scared of Sparrows. : )
KCCook23 <kcco...@aol.comnospamer> wrote in message
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Warbirds, hands down. Since I've gotten into this sim,
all my others (F-15, Longbow, F4) have been feeling awefully
neglected. I'm just surprised I didn't discover WB much earlier.
I practiced offline a lot, and then the first time I was in the
arena and saw approaching planes, my heartrate went through the
roof. It was a pair of Spits. I'm a sim vet and I thought I was
good, but in no sim was I ever so unceremoniously (and quickly)
shredded. It was quite a shock. And it kept on happening - again
and again. Many hours later (many dollars, too) I am finally at
the satisfying point where I'm about as dangerous to others as they
are to me.
Jerry Morelock
<snip>
Yep! I still have that sim! The box is worn out
like all get up! Many, many hours with that sim!
Ah....the memories!
:o)
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So while I'm tempted to say Flanker or Tornado, F-19 deserves a lot of
credit for getting me into PC sims in the 1st place.
Andrew McP
ARH
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Geoff Sjostrom wrote in message ...
EF2000 & Longbow 2 on the PC
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>Tremendous sim. Demanding, diverse missions, and plenty of the elusive
>"playability" that makes the difference between a merely competent
>simulation and one that you can't tear yourself away from.
>
>
That truly is a great sim. I remember having a ME109 on my tail
once and I was puffing smoke. I cut the throttle, lowered the flaps,
dropped the gear, and slowed way down. That ME109 blew right by me; I
turned for home.
Doing the campaign was fun. Finsihing once before being able to start
another was addictive, almost like a strategy game. Although obviously
scripted, it was great fun.
The missions absolutely rocked too. I remember the "Ace in a Day"
mission where Chuck shot down 5 planes in a day. I think the
mission was like 6 ME109's or someting just circling waiting for some
bombers. Chuck drooped right and shot 5 down in a matter of moments.
For some reason I also remember setting up me against 9 Yak 9's at ace
level and shooting down as many as I could. There was just something
about that game. It was a satisfying feeling to line up another plane
and shoot it up. Almost the same feeling I get when popping those
little packing bubbles between my fingers.
And the best part - It screamed on my 386SX16!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
- LHW
...the original Red Baron by Dynamix, followed closely by Falcon 3.
Simon Robbins <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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1) A true dogfighting sim, afterall it's supposed to be
a "FLIGHT"sim, not a weapon managment sim.
2) Classy all throughout, from the shading effects of the
cockpit panels to the excellent pounding sounds of the
machine guns (virtual force-feedback)... to the classy
manual, to it's unique sense of flight. Much of it's
features were ahead of it's time, by years.
3) It's graphics engine was so good that it was
still being used to produce games as far out as four
years past it's release. Graphically, RB itself remained
near the cutting edge for years, which is almost unheard
of these days.
And also, it had that something: the whole being greater
than the sum of it's parts. It is THE flight sim classic
of all time, other notables pale in comparison.
RayO
Puuuuuuleeeease !
RayO
Tough choice, but since the catagory is "Greatest Combat sim of ALL time", I'd
have to vote for F3 because it was so FAR ahead of it's time.
F3 had ACMI, plus coop multiplayer, plus a multi-aircraft environment (F-16 +
Mig-29 +F-18 Hornet), plus great add-on theatres with cool new vehicles,
plus a realistic flight model, plus realistic avionics, etc., etc., etc. Over
the years, with each new patch, F3 was an investment that shaped up nicely in
the end and then continued to give back far more than it took. It looks like
F4 is doing the same thing too.
I would NOT still play F3 today, because you just can't go that far back and
enjoy it very much anymore. But for it's day, it was LIGHTYEARS ahead of it's
time, and as such, probably deserves the title "Greatest Combat Sim of all
time". I played it almost daily for 1.5 years and then continues less
frequently for a few years after that.
Other sims which, in my book, deserve 2nd & 3rd place include:
EF2000 - Awesome coop dynamic campaigns on a LAN
LB2 - Awesome coop dynamic campaigns on the INTERNET
Remove countermeasures to Reply.
>Just a quick survey:
>
>What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
>No need to weigh up the pros and cons of dynamic campaigns, terrain masking
>and priority fire zones. Just a gut reaction, what's the best fun you've had
>with your joystick?
>
>My vote: EAW for it's unending ability to surprise me and make me smile with
>the little details.
>
>Si.
>
The most fun I have had with a simulation would have to be a toss-up
between Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe, European Air War, Longbow 2.
From reading Ed Bain's comments I would predict Mig Alley might
overtake these simulations.
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Sean Tudor
Sydney, Australia
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This is my cannon, this is my gun
One is for bandits, and one is for fun
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studor at ozemail dot com dot au
regards
rea
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EF2000
On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:34:59 -0500, "Geoff Sjostrom"
<ge...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>Tremendous sim. Demanding, diverse missions, and plenty of the elusive
>"playability" that makes the difference between a merely competent
>simulation and one that you can't tear yourself away from.
>
>
just snippit....snippit good...
disclaimer: smileyface implied not written
>Just a quick survey:
>
>What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far, naturally).
Falcon 3.0
After Operation Fighting Tiger
ciao
teo
Ron
Simon Robbins <simon.robbi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Just a quick survey:
>
> What do you consider to be the greatest sim of all time (so far,
naturally).
B17 Flying Fortress
Chuck Yeagers
SVGA Harrier by Domark (not that other Harrier one)
At the moment I'm attempting Megafortress. Gee it's complicated!!
IMHO of course...
Grundman
Jerry Morelock wrote:
> I sure had as much fun with it as I ever had with anything. Uh, sims that
> is. <g>
>
> Jerry Morelock
>
> <snip>
> > I am sure there are plenty of people here who can relate to the feeling
> this
> > sim delivered. With updated graphics it might still hold up by today's
> > standards. A definite classic.
> >
> > Rich
/Jonas
This was the sim that "Got me into" flight sim and PC's in general.
All we need is an updated version of Chuck Yeager, with falcon 4 or
Warbirds style graphics
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