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Buff

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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All,

Ok, ok, some of those who've played Falcon4 are probably good enough
that they never heard the term spewed at them. Not me.

After a (usual) lousy run at "Instant Action" I hear some dip-wad
voiceover telling me: "That was a real goat rope!". And if it's not
that, it's something about the airlines still hiring. (Gimme a
break; I haven't got to the lessons on weapons and tactics yet. <g>)

So anyway ... what the hell is a goat rope! Is it something made up
just for F4 or is that something said by actual pilots?
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Cody

David Zeiler

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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a polite way of saying a cluster f#$k. In WW2 it would be a snafu
situation normal all f@#k up. Dz.
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Michael Ross

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Yeah, I guess you just have to imagine some people running around trying to
rope a really pissed off goat.
It's a very common term in the military, and much more socially acceptable
(for those who care) than saying Cluster F*%k, although the latter provides
more interesting visualization.

-Mike


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Matthew V. Jessick

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Imagine three cowboys trying to rope goats,
all running straight up cliffs in different directions
then Joe falls off his horse and all the while the
Ranch Director of Outside Operations yelling
"We'll work Three Shifts if we have to!
Get those goats roped!"

- Matt

Buff

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:36:51 -0600, "Matthew V. Jessick"
<mjes...@gte.net> murmured:

LOL!! I get it!
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Cody

Habu

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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As has been said, it has become a "nicer" term for a situation where
everything isn't going "well". But it does come from an actual event, as
anyone that was raised around those parts of the country where we have real
rodeo's can tell you. It was one of the events that people got their kid
into, before they could do actual steer wresting, bronco busting, bull
breaking, etc. Nothing funnier to see than a bunch of kids running around
"goat roping" or riding the "bucking pig". If you ever get to see one,
you'll understand why that term has come to be used in air combat (and in
staff meeting a lot too).
Habu

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Michael Oberly

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cd...@21stcentury.net (Buff) wrote:

>All,
>
>Ok, ok, some of those who've played Falcon4 are probably good enough
>that they never heard the term spewed at them. Not me.
>
>After a (usual) lousy run at "Instant Action" I hear some dip-wad
>voiceover telling me: "That was a real goat rope!". And if it's not
>that, it's something about the airlines still hiring. (Gimme a

>break; I haven't got to the lessons on weapons and tactics yet. <g>)


>
>So anyway ... what the hell is a goat rope! Is it something made up
>just for F4 or is that something said by actual pilots?

After some of my missions,'that was a reeaall goat rope!' really
sounds somehow appropriate!;)

Mike
>====
>Cody

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Velcro Fly

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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Hehe, I hate that guy too. If you get a bit higher on the score board
he'll start saying lots better things. Try setting your game up for 100%,
realistic everything, and bump up the wave setting to at least "cadet"
or "recruit" and just keep flying them. Learn the A-A radar, slaughter
as many bandits as you can, be wary, and you'll get a good score. If
you go on easy settings you will only get a fraction of your score and
therefore get the "goat rope" message.

From what I understand, "goat roping" is what amateur or young rodeo
riders do before they're good enough to do the real events.

Buff wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Ok, ok, some of those who've played Falcon4 are probably good enough
> that they never heard the term spewed at them. Not me.
>
> After a (usual) lousy run at "Instant Action" I hear some dip-wad
> voiceover telling me: "That was a real goat rope!". And if it's not
> that, it's something about the airlines still hiring. (Gimme a
> break; I haven't got to the lessons on weapons and tactics yet. <g>)
>
> So anyway ... what the hell is a goat rope! Is it something made up
> just for F4 or is that something said by actual pilots?

> ====
> Cody

Buff

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:30:36 GMT, Velcro Fly
<dchriest@home!NOSPAM!.com> murmured:

>Hehe, I hate that guy too. If you get a bit higher on the score board
>he'll start saying lots better things. Try setting your game up for 100%,
>realistic everything, and bump up the wave setting to at least "cadet"
>or "recruit" and just keep flying them.

I've got it setup as per the manual for the lessons: "ACE" realism,
but clouds disabled and labels turned on (though I have yet to see a
label on anything but the HUD and cockpit controls).

>Learn the A-A radar, slaughter as many bandits as you can, be wary,
>and you'll get a good score. If you go on easy settings you will only get
>a fraction of your score and therefore get the "goat rope" message.

So far I'm OK against those slow-poke Ilyushins and Tupolevs (as long
as I don't get too close; they've got guns in their rears! <g>). But
after dispatching those guys, suddenly, while searching for some new
targets, I hear this buzzing sound from the RWR and then this voice
shouts "Archer inbound!". The next thing I know, I've been toasted by
some stupid MiG-21 I didn't even see. Arghh!!!

Now you know what I mean by still needing to get through those lessons
on radar, weapons, BFM, etc. <g>



> From what I understand, "goat roping" is what amateur or young rodeo
>riders do before they're good enough to do the real events.

I can see it now. It fits, it fits! <g>
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Cody

Kevin M

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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Buff wrote in message <36a2756...@news.ais.net>...

>I've got it setup as per the manual for the lessons: "ACE" realism,
>but clouds disabled and labels turned on (though I have yet to see a
>label on anything but the HUD and cockpit controls).

Shift-L toggles close labels, Ctrl-L toggles far labels. Even if the Labels
button is lit, you have to turn them on in the cockpit.


Kev

Velcro Fly

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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Buff wrote:

> I've got it setup as per the manual for the lessons: "ACE" realism,
> but clouds disabled and labels turned on (though I have yet to see a
> label on anything but the HUD and cockpit controls).

You have to hit shift-l on each flight to get labels. They only
detract about 1% or 2% from your score so they don't really make a
big difference in score.



> So far I'm OK against those slow-poke Ilyushins and Tupolevs (as long
> as I don't get too close; they've got guns in their rears! <g>). But
> after dispatching those guys, suddenly, while searching for some new
> targets, I hear this buzzing sound from the RWR and then this voice
> shouts "Archer inbound!". The next thing I know, I've been toasted by
> some stupid MiG-21 I didn't even see. Arghh!!!

You'll get the hang of when the next wave comes in. You might want to
try hitting the deck, skimming hills and stuff when not chasing a bandit.
They won't be able to lock you up as easily that way.

My high score in Instant Action, A-A is now 284,700 by the way. They
give you a glowing welcome home when you do that. I could have got a
higher score but I ran outa gas on the way to the tanker dammit. Oh well.

Good luck!

Willie Franklin

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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I grew up in Southern Iowa. We would refer to someone as a "goat roper"
if we considered him/her not up to the task at hand, or in other words,
less than a man. We also used it to refer to someone much less
sophisticated, ie, someone for whom goat roping is not only entertaining
but socially acceptable, or being of lesser social value.
However, I believe they are reffering to an unacceptable, non-organized,
and pretty much random approach to jet combat, much as a group of kids
would be, chasing goats around in a pen trying to rope them.
Doc

MATTSCBR

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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Though I doubt it is an exclusive military term, I often use it in describing
to my squad a mission that is gonna be nasty. Simply put, things are bad and
fixing to get uglier....
The term Goat screw is also used quite often and means the same.

CombatWombat

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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I always thought a "goat rope" was a road-a-dope manuever gone wrong.... A
rope-a-dope is when you try to force an enemy on your 6 with a slightly
lower energy state and lesser climbing rate to follow you into a spiral
climb, thus seperating the energy more. A goat rope would be when you tried
to dope-a-rope a better climbing plane, hence goats are good climbers and
will beat you up a hill.


dan...@my-dejanews.com

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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Actually, a "Goat Rope" is similar to the old "Combat Wombat," first
developed in China by Claire Chenault and the Flying Tigers. In the Combat
Wombat, the essential thing is to start from a situation where you have the
altitude advantage, then appoach the enemy aircraft from behind and above,
remaining just higher and slightly behind (of course, this isn't effective
against aircraft with rear gunners!). The idea is to wait until the enemy
plane attempts to climb, then engage, similar to the way a wombat attacks a
cobra. Wait a minute-- that was the "Combat Mongoose." The "Combat Wombat"
involves flying upside down and waiting until the enemy plane drops down to
give you a belly-rub...

dancho

aka "Battle Cattle"


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Glenn Geiss

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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A Goat-Rope is an actual "term" used in the military. To give you an
idea what it means, think of it as a nice way to say Cluster-F*ck.

>Ren<

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