Network the computers in your home through your electrical outlets.
khu...@intelogis.com
Share files, Share Internet Access, and Play Multi-Player Games.
The PassPort Plug-In Network lets you connect PCs and printers using
ordinary electrical outlets. Simply connect the parallel cabels from
your PC or printer to your PassPort Plug-In adapter, plug into any
electrical outlet in your home or office, and you're ready to share an
Internet account, a printer, files or multi-user games between PCs.
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khu...@intelogis.com wrote:
> Connect PCs and share printers through your electrical outlets.
>
> Share files, Share Internet Access, and Play Multi-Player Games.
You know, its theoretically possible to do what you are saying, but
the fact that you spam to spread the message makes me think you are
a lying slimeball trying to take people's hard earned money.
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khu...@intelogis.com wrote:
> Connect PCs and share printers through your electrical outlets.
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khu...@intelogis.com wrote:
> Connect PCs and share printers through your electrical outlets.
>
> Share files, Share Internet Access, and Play Multi-Player Games.
>
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I'm sure their adapter doesn't pass the voltage. I think the bigger question
is why would anyone want to use this? Hubs, network cards, and CAT5 cable is
cheap (you could easily hook up four computers for under 200 bucks). This
solution would cost upwards of $500 (and run over the LPT port)! Hmmm... I
think I'd rather run the cable and get the SPEED of a real network :) As far
as ease of use -- aside from inserting the network cards in the PC slots -- I
don't see this as particularly "easier" than conventional networking on today's
operating systems. I'd also be leary of routing issues with this solution...
In article <35F34A96...@earthlink.net>, pcf...@earthlink.net says...
AFranzman
>
> Share files, Share Internet Access, and Play Multi-Player Games.
>
> The PassPort Plug-In Network lets you connect PCs and printers using
> ordinary electrical outlets. Simply connect the parallel cabels from
> your PC or printer to your PassPort Plug-In adapter, plug into any
> electrical outlet in your home or office, and you're ready to share an
> Internet account, a printer, files or multi-user games between PCs.
This works by converting your computer's signals to a radio signal, sending it
through the electrical wiring, then converting it back for the other
computer(s) to read.
> and run over the LPT port! Hmmm... I
think I'd rather run
> the cable and get the SPEED of a real network
Whoever sent that, you're absolutely right! Besides, most electronic devices
in the home (including radios, alarm clocks, televisions, etc.) don't like
radio-frequency signals on the power line. How would your family/co-workers
like it if every time you printed something or sent something over the
network, the tvs, radios, and whatever else, picked up a load of static?
There have been other devices in the past which use this concept, such as
whole-house lighting controls (using one or more "master consoles") and
security systems, but these generally don't cause problems because the signal
is sent as a brief pulse, or only when an alarm is triggered.
Sceptre
<35F34A96...@earthlink.net>...
> How in the world can you send digital signals over 110VAC without frying
> something??
Probably by using 60Hz notch filters and optical isolators.
I believe the technology is similiar to X-10. A specification for
controlling appliances by using your existing house wiring as a medium. The
network adapters appearing on the market using this technology can maybe
handle 1-2 Mbps at best while a cheapo NIC ($20-$25) can do 10Mbps
I wouldn't waste my money on it.
--
<<< Sceptre >>>
Steve Blair
the concept could be VERY interesting. Consider WAN on existing, free
cables. As the technology matures (if it doesn't die in the maturing), the
price will begin to challenge existing solutions. It's worth keeping an eye
on. It's been suggested & touted for years, this bunch is the first to
provide a solution of some kind.
Sceptre wrote in message <01bdda36$dc36a5e0$39a7cacc@sceptre>...
L. Ross Raszewski
afra...@aol.com (AFranzman) wrote:
> There have been other devices in the past which use this concept, such as
> whole-house lighting controls (using one or more "master consoles") and
> security systems, but these generally don't cause problems because the signal
> is sent as a brief pulse, or only when an alarm is triggered.
>
It's also been done for telephones. I actually had a set once. THe reception
was horrible, and the system had a limited range; the other phone had to be
plugged in to an outlet on the same circuit in order for the signal quality
to be usably good (of course, this was many moons ago, and the technology may
have improved)
Dave Richardson
think) used to do a small office network based on it. In the UK one of
the main electricity utilities is offering internet connectivity via the
electrical mains (240v and higher through substations). I would be very
surprised if the full mains voltage goes into the back of the PC. I
guess a little black box goes into a wall outlet to extract the data
signal from the mains and feeds a much lower voltage signal back to the
PC.
In article <35F34A96...@earthlink.net>, Jeff Ellis
<pcf...@earthlink.net> writes
>How in the world can you send digital signals over 110VAC without frying
>something??
>
>
>khu...@intelogis.com wrote:
>
>> Connect PCs and share printers through your electrical outlets.
>>
>> Share files, Share Internet Access, and Play Multi-Player Games.
>>
>> The PassPort Plug-In Network lets you connect PCs and printers using
>> ordinary electrical outlets. Simply connect the parallel cabels from
>> your PC or printer to your PassPort Plug-In adapter, plug into any
>> electrical outlet in your home or office, and you're ready to share an
>> Internet account, a printer, files or multi-user games between PCs.
>>
>> http://www.intelogis.com/
>
>
>
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Dave Richardson
J. Clarke
twice as much as hardware for a network with 300 times the performance, or
about 5 times as much as for a network with 30 times the performance. So
who is going to buy it?
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Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net.
Dave Richardson wrote in message ...
Chris Butcher
> The big difficulty I see with this is that the current hardware costs about
> twice as much as hardware for a network with 300 times the performance, or
> about 5 times as much as for a network with 30 times the performance. So
> who is going to buy it?
>
I'm guessing people who want to have a network without cutting open the
walls in their place, or who don't want cables strung across the floor.
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Dave Richardson
point is proven by the idea's lack of widespread commercial success.
I suppose its main selling point was "cheap and cheerful do it yourself
networking" - you plug into a parallel port and no need to open up PCs
and worry about IRQs, Port addresses, card installation, and no need to
invest in expensive network infrastructure, support and consultancy.
Going back to the internet access via mains, and working from memory,
the speed offered is well above modems and ISDN. I haven't heard much
about it for a while though. Perhaps its failed. Anyone know?
Dave Richardson.
In article <35f5c...@news1.ibm.net>, J. Clarke <nos...@nospam.nospam>
writes
>The big difficulty I see with this is that the current hardware costs about
>twice as much as hardware for a network with 300 times the performance, or
>about 5 times as much as for a network with 30 times the performance. So
>who is going to buy it?
>
Andrew Klossner
> the concept could be VERY interesting. Consider WAN on existing, free
> cables. As the technology matures (if it doesn't die in the maturing), the
> price will begin to challenge existing solutions. It's worth keeping an eye
> on.
No, it's not. You can't get significant bandwidth without severe
adverse consequences. For example, the quality of your television
picture will deteriorate markedly.
Signaling over power lines is not a new technology -- it's been around
for at least twenty years. This is a niche product for installations
which absolutely cannot run additional wiring between rooms and whose
bandwidth needs are modest.
-=- Andrew Klossner (and...@teleport.com)
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William Lane
out the 60Hz 110V AC to ground? IS it really
this slow though? I'd assume all the PC;s
involved have to be on the same circuit breaker
correct (thus on the same circuit)?
I've noticed most telephone jacks seem
to have unused wiring pairs, could these be
used as 10baset?
Sceptre (woo...@teleport.com) wrote:
A
: Jeff Ellis <pcf...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
: <35F34A96...@earthlink.net>...
: > How in the world can you send digital signals over 110VAC without frying
: > something??
:
: Probably by using 60Hz notch filters and optical isolators.
:
: I believe the technology is similiar to X-10. A specification for
: controlling appliances by using your existing house wiring as a medium. The
: network adapters appearing on the market using this technology can maybe
: handle 1-2 Mbps at best while a cheapo NIC ($20-$25) can do 10Mbps
:
: I wouldn't waste my money on it.
:
: --
: <<< Sceptre >>>
:
:
Sceptre
> I can see how it'd be possible to filter
>out the 60Hz 110V AC to ground? IS it really
>this slow though? I'd assume all the PC;s
>involved have to be on the same circuit breaker
>correct (thus on the same circuit)?
I'am not an expert on the subject, just quoting the specs I've seen on some
of these units. All the breakers in an electrical panel branch from the
main power line coming in so it really shouldn't matter what circuit the
network adapter is plugged into. This also means that the network signal
could also travel to surrounding homes. But again, all I really know is
that these systems are a lot slower compared to a cheap Ethernet card.
> I've noticed most telephone jacks seem
>to have unused wiring pairs, could these be
>used as 10baset?
I don't see why not if you have enough wires around but I personally
wouldn't do it this way.
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> I can see how it'd be possible to filter
>out the 60Hz 110V AC to ground? IS it really
>this slow though? I'd assume all the PC;s
>involved have to be on the same circuit breaker
>correct (thus on the same circuit)?
> I've noticed most telephone jacks seem
>to have unused wiring pairs, could these be
>used as 10baset?
Yes. The old DOS magazine PC Novice had an article on exactly how to
do it, step-by-step... maybe back in '93 or '94
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Herring
<cbut...@tigger.otago.ac.nz> threw his vodka glass in the fire and
said:
>On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> The big difficulty I see with this is that the current hardware costs about
>> twice as much as hardware for a network with 300 times the performance, or
>> about 5 times as much as for a network with 30 times the performance. So
>> who is going to buy it?
>>
> I'm guessing people who want to have a network without cutting open the
>walls in their place, or who don't want cables strung across the floor.
>
Or have girlfriends/spouses who don't want bright yellow cables
dangling everywhere ;)
Just can't seem to get hold of any biege RJ45 that matches the
wallpaper tho...
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> The product is working quite well. It is sold at CompUSA and Staples.
> Check out the web page.
> www.intelogis.com
>
> Dave Richardson <Da...@curverconsumer.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Well, networking via mains hasn't really caught on much has it? Your
> >point is proven by the idea's lack of widespread commercial success.
> >
> >I suppose its main selling point was "cheap and cheerful do it yourself
> >networking" - you plug into a parallel port and no need to open up PCs
> >and worry about IRQs, Port addresses, card installation, and no need to
> >invest in expensive network infrastructure, support and consultancy.
Well, if you are willing to open up your machines but still don't want to run
wires then I suggest looking at HomeFree from Diamond MM (see
http://www.diamondmm.com/homefree). For $199 you get one PCI and one ISA card
(for $229 you can get a PCMCIA card and an ISA card) and it's totally wireless.
It's not as fast as wired Ethernet, but I think it will meet my requirements
(which is basically sharing peripherals). Here's a brief blurb from their web
site:
> HomeFree transmits data at breakneck speed (1 Mb per second), links PCs up to
> 150 feet apart, and blocks interference from cordless phones and other
> transmitting devices–making it both dependable and secure.
Bill
Dave Beynon
: How in the world can you send digital signals over 110VAC without frying
: something??
one of the electricity companies in the UK did a trial recently where they
put a carrier wave on top of the 240vac electricity supply. The idea was
that equipment at each substation would pick up signals from machines in its
area and forward them on to the rest of the network. Cheap internet access
etc. Unfortunately a side effect of this was radio interference from things
like streetlights (about the right size to act as aerials).. I think the
spec was basically a 1 or 2 mbit/sec lan speed type thing. Not really worth
the effort - buy a cheap ethrnet card.
khu...@intelogis.com
Bill Rubin <bill...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>khu...@intelogis.com wrote:
>
>> The product is working quite well. It is sold at CompUSA and Staples.
>> Check out the web page.
>> www.intelogis.com
>>
>> Dave Richardson <Da...@curverconsumer.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Well, networking via mains hasn't really caught on much has it? Your
>> >point is proven by the idea's lack of widespread commercial success.
>> >
>> >I suppose its main selling point was "cheap and cheerful do it yourself
>> >networking" - you plug into a parallel port and no need to open up PCs
>> >and worry about IRQs, Port addresses, card installation, and no need to
>> >invest in expensive network infrastructure, support and consultancy.
>
With the Passport system you do not need to open up your machines.
Bill Rubin
> Bill Rubin <bill...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> With the Passport system you do not need to open up your machines.
>
As I said (below and in the original append), IF YOU ARE WILLING TO OPEN UP YOUR
MACHINES. I am willing to (heck, I have an extra 32mb to install in my kids new
machine that I haven't gotten around to doing). In exchange for doing this you get a
network that is 3 times faster, $50 cheaper, probably more reliable, what else have I
missed?
Bill