NHL 96 's biggest flaw: THE COMPUTER CAN'T SCORE!!!
Jeff Williams
>This is a ridiculous problem. Only superstars can score on anything
>OTHER than a rebound. EVERY other goal is put in after the goalie makes
>the intial save and is out of position. And even this is far too rare.
>I recently had Pittsbugh play Ottowa in an exhibition game (both computer
>controlled). It took TWO complete games and overtimes, plus 3/4 of
>another period before either team scored. Each goalie registered 55+
>saves each GAME. This makes the game hardly a challenge for me, since
>I usually score 4 or more goals a game.
>PLEASE FIX THIS, EA!!!!!!
>--
I actually had a game the other day where the computer scored on me using a
deke on a breakaway. I sat in stunned silence for about 2 minutes over
this, having never seen the computer do anything like it before. It's just
too bad the computer can't learn from its successes...
// Jeff Williams
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Jim S
OTHER than a rebound. EVERY other goal is put in after the goalie makes
the intial save and is out of position. And even this is far too rare.
I recently had Pittsbugh play Ottowa in an exhibition game (both computer
controlled). It took TWO complete games and overtimes, plus 3/4 of
another period before either team scored. Each goalie registered 55+
saves each GAME. This makes the game hardly a challenge for me, since
I usually score 4 or more goals a game.
PLEASE FIX THIS, EA!!!!!!
--
Jim S. <ji...@inlink.com>
Chuck D
>>another period before either team scored. Each goalie registered 55+
>>saves each GAME. This makes the game hardly a challenge for me, since
>>I usually score 4 or more goals a game.
>>PLEASE FIX THIS, EA!!!!!!
>The computer plays fine with me...most of my games are 5-3 etc.
The computer is just as easy to beat as the previous versions of NHL,
it's just a little harder to score in this one. I play 20 min periods
and with about 40 games under my belt using Toronto, I'm still
undefeated with a GAA of under 1 while scoring over 4 goals a game
(6-7 goals a game in the past 10 games or so). The computer plays
offense like an idiot. This needs to be fixed (among 500 other
things).
Robert S. Brown
>From: kle...@nexus.yorku.ca (Chuck D)
>Subject: Re: NHL 96 's biggest flaw: THE COMPUTER CAN'T SCORE!!!
>Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 16:49:45 GMT
Hey, has anybody made it to the end of a season and gone into the playoffs
for that season? I am currently in the western final leading Detroit 3 games
to 1 and when I win this game and try to find out who I face in the Stanley Cup
Final, my system reboots after the three star selection screen and loses the
results for this game. I have saved the game with less than a minute to play
but the GAME BUG continues to make me replay this game over and over again.
On EA's web site I can't find this game even listed as one of their products,
has anyone had this happen to them and is there a patch for this major problem?
James V. Kracht
> The computer is just as easy to beat as the previous versions of NHL,
> it's just a little harder to score in this one. I play 20 min periods
> and with about 40 games under my belt using Toronto, I'm still
> undefeated with a GAA of under 1 while scoring over 4 goals a game
> (6-7 goals a game in the past 10 games or so). The computer plays
> offense like an idiot. This needs to be fixed (among 500 other
> things).
I'm glad to see there is someone else out there who thinks this
game is an utter joke. I personally still play the thing, but
when I can beat Detroit on the All-Star level 7 to 1, with an
unedited, unmodified LA Kings team... using the worst goalie...
well, you just get the feeling they (EA) spent most of their time
on the shitty 3D engine, and not the opponent AI.
J.
James V. Kracht
>
> In article <47dhac$1...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> kle...@nexus.yorku.ca (Chuck D) writes:
> >From: kle...@nexus.yorku.ca (Chuck D)
> >Subject: Re: NHL 96 's biggest flaw: THE COMPUTER CAN'T SCORE!!!
> >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 16:49:45 GMT
>
> Hey, has anybody made it to the end of a season and gone into the playoffs
> for that season? I am currently in the western final leading Detroit 3 games
> to 1 and when I win this game and try to find out who I face in the Stanley Cup
> Final, my system reboots after the three star selection screen and loses the
> results for this game. I have saved the game with less than a minute to play
> but the GAME BUG continues to make me replay this game over and over again.
> On EA's web site I can't find this game even listed as one of their products,
> has anyone had this happen to them and is there a patch for this major problem?
>
EA is notorious for NOT releasing patches. Don't hold your breath. None of the
bugs in NHL 95 were EVER addressed, let alone fixed. Do you think the assholes
at EA are going to behave any differently this time 'round? I certainly don't
think so.
J.
Chris White
computer, but I do have it for the Sega. NHL '95 was just SOOOO filled with
bugs that I wrote EA a long nasty letter, and they finally agreed to exchange
NHL 95 for John Madden 95. Well, I sent it back, and the idiots sent me NHL
'95 back again. So I wrote another long letter, and this time I actually got
past their customer service people (via email) and talked with the head of
warrenty department (I think that's the dept...), and she agreed to exchange
NHL '95 for NHL '96. While there aren't as many bugs in '96 as '95, it's
still pretty bad (once again, Sega, not PC. Never played it on the PC). I
personally wonder if EA actually play tests any of their products anymore.
The major bug in '95 on the Sega was that I went 80-2-2 (or thereabouts) and
didn't make the playoffs... Go figure.
Oh, a bug you might want to try on the PC version is when your opponent gets
a penelty shot, before he lines up at center ice, pause the game and call a
timeout. On sega, this bypasses the penelty shot... Bugs bugs bugs...
Chris
Michael Novean
Finally people that think the game sucked balls. After a few days of the
lameness I got pissed and took my game back for a refund. This game is
a piece of dung. The computer is a pathetic opponent and if he gets 2
goals in a game he is en fuego. Meanwhile, you should be able to score
at least 4 and maybe more if the control and graphics weren't so terrible.
The camera angles are either too close or too far so either you can't see all
the trailers on the play or you can't see the puck in a goal mouth scramble.
I cannot understand why EA junked the awesome view that had worked so well for
the 3D piece of shit. And the HEAD CAM? What the fuck is that. Why not call
it the "ice level fan who cannot see jack when the action goes out of the zone" cam. The fights and statistical model suck too but I won't get into that. If only the Front Page Sports people would do a hockey... EA is obviously on crack
because now each year the games are getting worse.
Peter Hearty u
: Finally people that think the game sucked balls. After a few days of the
: lameness I got pissed and took my game back for a refund. This game is
: a piece of dung. The computer is a pathetic opponent and if he gets 2
: goals in a game he is en fuego. Meanwhile, you should be able to score
: at least 4 and maybe more if the control and graphics weren't so terrible.
: The camera angles are either too close or too far so either you can't see all
: the trailers on the play or you can't see the puck in a goal mouth scramble.
: I cannot understand why EA junked the awesome view that had worked so well for
: the 3D piece of shit. And the HEAD CAM? What the fuck is that. Why not call
: it the "ice level fan who cannot see jack when the action goes out of the zone" cam. The fights and statistical model suck too but I won't get into that. If only the Front Page Sports people would do a hockey... EA is obviously on crack
: because now each year the games are getting worse.
Good point. I couldn't believe it after reading all of the reviews
ranting and raving about this game. The major points were that it looked
great. I say, big deal, if I only wanted it to look great, I would go
and buy a Nintendo. The game play is awful. What good is it when in my
first 10 games ever against the computer, I give up 3 goals. THIS IS NOT
HOCKEY. I am glad that I can no longer score 35 a game, and now can only
score 5 at the most. But it becomes very boring when the average score
is 4-0. Can't the computer do anything right.
And asides from that, when I pass the puck and aim at the wide open guy
in front of the net, the computer seems to think that I wanted to pass to
the guy in the far corner behind the net covered by 2 defenders. Why,
when I aim to one player to pass the puck to, it passes to somebody
completely differently, and the same for the goalie. Rather than passing
to the open guy on the wing, he would rather pass to the opposition all
alone in front of the empty net.
Good job EA, the game looks great, too bad it isn't hockey.
Peter Hearty
The Crickster
>EA is notorious for NOT releasing patches. Don't hold your breath. None of
the bugs in NHL 95 were EVER addressed, let alone fixed. Do you think the
assholes at EA are going to behave any differently this time 'round? I
certainly don't think so.
>
I can see if ya think EA licks as a programming team but you fill me
in on which other gamemakers pump out 10 titles a year with great
quality and have put out the only decent sport games on the market...
Look at the competition:
NFL 95 by KONAMI
LARUSSA 3 by Stormfront
NCAA Basketball
They are the only guys who have attempted to make a serious effort at
the engines of all sport games and it is big time tough to get everythin
right...all player moves etc..
Yer opinion, but I bet there are alot of people out there who love their
games as much as I do...
Crickster
The Crickster
>What about Front Page Sports? FPS:Football is the best Football Game I
>have played. They made it even better with Football Pro. I never picked
>up 95, because quite frankly I am going to wait for my new computer and
>get 96 or something. Let's not forget about Papyrus and Nascar Racing
>although some people wouldn't consider that a Sports Game.
I would agree there....FPSF 95 is the best football game out there by
far but don't forget EA hasn't released one yet...Madden 95 supposedly
has player video's, multi-cam angles better than FPSF and alot more
features which the FPSF 95 has overlooked. Driving sims, well Papyrus
has em beat there, but for action sports there is no contender ;)
Crickster
Josh White
: I can see if ya think EA licks as a programming team but you fill me
: in on which other gamemakers pump out 10 titles a year with great
: quality and have put out the only decent sport games on the market...
: Look at the competition:
: NFL 95 by KONAMI
: LARUSSA 3 by Stormfront
: NCAA Basketball
EA, collectively, makes the best stuff for action freaks like me. They
seem to have the control and game play down right. And for whoever made a
crack at rugby, I have to say that, yes, its a very unusual effort, but
give it a try. I ended up liking it--whens the last time you've seen a
sports sim put 30 players on a screen at the same time and still stay
smooth??
Oh, BTW, I'm pretty sure that TLB III is in the EA fold (look closely on
the box and you'll see EA's name somewhare).
On final note, if you pick and choose certain sports, yes EA loses some
clout. But if you step back and consider all of sportsdom, EA has done
the best job of covering all the bases (what a cliche!!!).
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>>another period before either team scored. Each goalie registered 55+
>>saves each GAME. This makes the game hardly a challenge for me, since
>>I usually score 4 or more goals a game.
>>PLEASE FIX THIS, EA!!!!!!
>The computer plays fine with me...most of my games are 5-3 etc.
I have not played NHL96 but if the game is similar to NHL95 and
NHL94, I can guarantee that I can take any team through a season and
not lose a single game plus score 800+ goals during this season.
If someone can tell me that NHL96 is a lot harder than it's
predecessors than maybe I'll buy it but otherwise it's just a waste of
money to me.
Stephen Twombly
If you think you can get away with buying this game for
a 50 mhz pc, don't waste your time. The game skipps
frames even in low res with everything off. It's a total
waste. Plus, if you are going up on the screen, you can't
see the opposing goal up close on many, if not all views.
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Jari H Alakoskela
>Robert S. Brown wrote:
>>
>> In article <47dhac$1...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> kle...@nexus.yorku.ca (Chuck D) writes:
>EA is notorious for NOT releasing patches. Don't hold your breath. None of the
>bugs in NHL 95 were EVER addressed, let alone fixed. Do you think the assholes
>at EA are going to behave any differently this time 'round? I certainly don't
>think so.
No, they think it's more wiser to release a 'new' game next year where
some of the most serious bugs and stupidities are fixed ;-)
Like it was with NHL '94 and '95. Most decent gaming magazines stated
out that '95 is more like an update than a new game to be sold at the
full price.
NHL '96 on the other hand is a new game.... and it sucks. Maybe we'll
get a decent 'virtual-stadium-hockey-game' the next year... ?
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James Kracht and/or Susan Rubin
> >
> My my, aren't we the tough critic. I'd like to see you make a
better
> hockey game. Geez.
>
> Larry
Actually, it has nothing to do with being a critic. NHL 96 is a bad
product, especially when you compare it to the staggering Virtual
Stadium in FIFA 96 -- which, on my lowly DX4-100, is the silkiest,
smoothest, most amazing 3D sports game I have ever seen... and yet,
this NHL 96 crap stutters along, with no details on, slows down when
sounds are played, is so piss-easy that I can play with my eyes
closed... Hockey is NOT that complex a game. NHL 96 is a beta version
of NHL 97 (which will hopefully be programmed by the same people who
did FIFA 96 -- they know what they are doing). I'm rather annoyed
that PC Gamer (and other mags) have given NHL 96 great reviews...
sure, it IS a passable hockey game, but THERE ARE NO OTHER HOCKEY
GAMES, and I get the impression they're giving the game good marks
because of this. NHL is a joke: too easy, too buggy, too slow, too
easy, too easy, too easy. When I can beat Detroit on the All-Star
level 12 to 1 (with an unmodified LA Kings team), well -- it just
goes to show that Pioneer Productions and EA spent most of their time
converting the game into the Virtual Stadium version, and spent no
time at all on better AI or much else. FIFA 96 is absoluetely
breathtaking when compared to NHL 96, which proves its all in the
coding.
J.
Jari H Alakoskela
>tai...@cc.helsinki.fi (Jari H Alakoskela) wrote:
>>No, they think it's more wiser to release a 'new' game next year where
>>some of the most serious bugs and stupidities are fixed ;-)
>>Like it was with NHL '94 and '95. Most decent gaming magazines stated
>>out that '95 is more like an update than a new game to be sold at the
>>full price.
>>NHL '96 on the other hand is a new game.... and it sucks. Maybe we'll
>>get a decent 'virtual-stadium-hockey-game' the next year... ?
>My my, aren't we the tough critic. I'd like to see you make a better
>hockey game. Geez.
I bet you would, wouldn't you ?
In fact *I'd* like to see myself making a better hockey game :-)
Or anybody in fact....
What kind of an argument is that: "I'd like to see you make a better..." ??
I'm not a computer programmer or a game designer. How could I make a
hockey game in the first place ? Are you stupid or something ???
As a customer who has paid the full price of the product I feel that I have
the full right to express my thoughts about it. If you think that your
opinions differ from mine and you feel the burning desire to compare our
views, then do so. But you could have done it in a tad smarter way.
Look above, and you'll see that you're talking about me....
What the hell are you talking about me from ??? Do you know me from
somewhere ?
Next time, please, express _yourself_ !
>Larry
Christopher W. Slaughter
(Chris Herringshaw) writes:
>
>In article <48m51a$o...@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
>Larry Becker <lbe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>My my, aren't we the tough critic. I'd like to see you make a better
>>hockey game. Geez.
>>
>>
>
>WAKE UP LARRY!!! This issue we're discussing is NHL96, not whether or
>not he can make a better game. With the sheer amount of resources
>available, EA should have been able to put out a much better product
>than this.
>
True, but what benchmark do we have to compare NHL 96 with? Given
Accolade's recent entry and the other non-EA hockey games available,
they are without peer. EA is 'pushing the envelope' as they say, but
there is still quite a bit missing to call this a final product. I was
pretty happy with it originally, being a hockey player myself I played
it in more of a strategy mode than an arcade one. But after playing
the new version of FIFA, I am extremely dissapointed with NHL 96. FIFA
96 (at least the demo) looks and plays like a polished game, and this
is a demo!! The SVGA mode runs smoothly on a 486DX2/66, and the
players actually have intelligence. I've been burned on numerous
occasions already by a computer player streaking down the side of the
field and a midfielder putting a pass right in front of him which he
easily buried past the goalie. Their defense plays their positions
very well also. That is smart AI. It seems like NHL 96 was rushed to
have it out by the start of the NHL season for some reason, and they
are taking their time with the new FIFA and Madden games...
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Chuck D
>xxv...@umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) wrote:
>>In article <48m51a$o...@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
>>Larry Becker <lbe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>My my, aren't we the tough critic. I'd like to see you make a better
>>>hockey game. Geez.
>>>
>>>Larry
>>>
>>WAKE UP LARRY!!! This issue we're discussing is NHL96, not whether or
>>not he can make a better game. With the sheer amount of resources
>>available, EA should have been able to put out a much better product
>>than this.
>That really wasnt my intentions seriously speaking, but rather the
>fact that we're dealing with an evolutionary process in games.
>Granted, technology should allow to make a more perfect and bug free
>game, but we're dealing with reality here and the fact of the matter
>is that the game is tremendously revamped. Considering the platform we
>as PC'ers have been using for the past 3 years of EA hockey, albeit
>far from perfect, this is a much more fun game to play, period. Maybe
>this is a poor analogy but compare it to Win 95, now its a new look
>and all, aint it? But the program is buggy as hell. Tell me Microsoft
>couldnt release a more stable OS in the time they had with all the
>free beta testing they could ask for. Its a setup for a win 96
>upgrade and all us suckers are jumping on the Microsoft bandwagon
>because WE HAVE TO!!!!!! I saw an earlier post with someone asking
>if I'm stupid to make a remark like that...well then call me stupid,
>but the point is the public wanted a new product after getting bored
>with NHL 95 and thats what we got. So it'll cost me 50 bucks every
>year. Gotta love the free enterprise, but there is far worse shit on
>the market thats not worth my hard drive space let alone 50 bucks for
>the software. That is the crime.
>Larry
Oh my god, get a clue (and on topic while you're at it).
Larry Becker
>Oh my god, get a clue (and on topic while you're at it).
Come again Chuck? How about making some sense here?
Pangster
xxv...@umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) wrote:
You are truly a spaz!!! It's people like you that let us get walked on.
You said it...we spend $50 (try $69 plus tax) every year. I'll do that
for a changed and improved game, but between 94 and 95 was a joke, and
96 is loaded with problems. But I suppose objecting to this is wrong. Let
me ask you, Larry, if you owned a new car and found trouble with it, would
you expect the company to make it right for you...the customer...or would
you just say "that we're dealing with an evolutionary process"? (And before
you even knock it, I'm not comparing cars to software! It's a relative
comparison based on the principle of customer satisfaction and a company's
commitment it - you spaz!)
Anthony Nalli
Toronto, Ontario
"THE hockey hotbed!!!"
TSE KENNETH
I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
problem or has anyone else experienced this?
Kenneth M Tse
ts...@ecf.toronto.edu
Cory Muzyka
>Thus spake TSE KENNETH (ts...@ecf.toronto.edu):
>
>: I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>: problem or has anyone else experienced this?
>
This isn't a bug, it's in the NHL rulebook - it's goaltender interference to be
in the crease when a goal is scored, and you CAN be penalised for it. Most of
the time they just call off the goal nowadays but I can recall a time a few
years back when they actually enforced the rule and gave penalties as well.
...c
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>I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
>problem or has anyone else experienced this?
Hmm.. well techincally, I can see how it could be a correct call. Since
penalties aren't called until the offending team touches the puck, the goal
possibly should have counted. What I'm guessing happened is that the player
with the puck ran in to the goalie, got knocked down, and the puck slid into
the net (?). I don't think an NHL ref would let the goal count, but then
again, this isn't the real NHL. What's the point of interference calls with
the ancient sports legend -- touch the goalie and fall down.
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David Mellenthin
>I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
>problem or has anyone else experienced this?
This happened to me once when I was bringing Yzerman in on a
breakaway. I deked the goalie and the puck went into the net and the
light even came on, signalling a goal, but an interference call was
made so Yzerman went to the bench. I thought they had counted the
goal but when checking the score several minutes later, it was still
0-0.
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Nguyen Anh D Le
: I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
: goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
: problem or has anyone else experienced this?
NHL '93 and '95 had the same bug.
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: in the crease when a goal is scored, and you CAN be penalised for it. Most of
: the time they just call off the goal nowadays but I can recall a time a few
: years back when they actually enforced the rule and gave penalties as well.
It in fact *is* a bug. The interference penalty is in the NHL
rulebook, however, NHL 96 incorrectly implements the penalty. You will
always get called for interference on the goaltender even if you did not
touch the goaltender. You can not at any time be in the crease when you
score, otherwise the goal is disallowed. Now, last time I checked, a goal
is disallowed only if you 1) interfere with the goaltender, or 2) are in
the crease before the puck.
TSE KENNETH
you interefere with the goalie and score the goal is disallowed and a
penalty is called!
Kenneth M Tse
ts...@ecf.toronto.edu
On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, David Mellenthin wrote:
> TSE KENNETH <ts...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
>
> >I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
> >goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
> >problem or has anyone else experienced this?
>
TSE KENNETH
> rulebook, however, NHL 96 incorrectly implements the penalty. You will
> always get called for interference on the goaltender even if you did not
> touch the goaltender. You can not at any time be in the crease when you
> score, otherwise the goal is disallowed. Now, last time I checked, a goal
> is disallowed only if you 1) interfere with the goaltender, or 2) are in
> the crease before the puck.
>
first but you cannot interfere with the goalie.
I think people are confused with my original post. My friend got the
goal And the penalty which is wrong.
My Name
>: This isn't a bug, it's in the NHL rulebook - it's goaltender interference to be
>: in the crease when a goal is scored, and you CAN be penalised for it. Most of
>: the time they just call off the goal nowadays but I can recall a time a few
>: years back when they actually enforced the rule and gave penalties as well.
>
> It in fact *is* a bug. The interference penalty is in the NHL
>rulebook, however, NHL 96 incorrectly implements the penalty. You will
>always get called for interference on the goaltender even if you did not
>touch the goaltender. You can not at any time be in the crease when you
>score, otherwise the goal is disallowed. Now, last time I checked, a goal
>is disallowed only if you 1) interfere with the goaltender, or 2) are in
>the crease before the puck.
>
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Larry Becker
>You are truly a spaz!!! It's people like you that let us get walked on.
>You said it...we spend $50 (try $69 plus tax) every year. I'll do that
>for a changed and improved game, but between 94 and 95 was a joke, and
>96 is loaded with problems. But I suppose objecting to this is wrong. Let
>me ask you, Larry, if you owned a new car and found trouble with it, would
>you expect the company to make it right for you...the customer...or would
>you just say "that we're dealing with an evolutionary process"? (And before
>you even knock it, I'm not comparing cars to software! It's a relative
>comparison based on the principle of customer satisfaction and a company's
>commitment it - you spaz!)
>Anthony Nalli
>Toronto, Ontario
>"THE hockey hotbed!!!"
Spaz? Wow, havent heard that one in geez I don't know how many years.
Oh, you Canadian's are surely on the cutting edge aren't you? The
fact that EA did beans between 94 and 95 is why I said 96 was an
acceptable game to me. The car to computer comparison is indeed a
shitty analogy, so why did you bother...? A car's reliability can be
based not only on production, but consumer negligence, etc.... I
needn't carry this nonsense out any further . At this point, I'd
probably call you a moron, but I'll refrain, as that would bring me
down to your childish name calling level which I have not done since
I'm posting to this thread, but that should alert you to my thoughts
at least.
Larry
Alban Wood
I bought NHl'96 a month ago. I am dissappointed about a few things but
NHL'96 still is a good game.
My complaints are:
- It's still very hard to avoid getting a penalty for interference.
There's no way you can take a rebound without hitting the goalie.
Fix: There should be a STOP button. Everyone has 4 buttons joystick, and
if you don't, well you can use the keyboard. Only two buttons are used
now. So with a STOP button, you could grab the reboud, stop and shoot,
without hitting the goalie. Might not be a brilliant idea, but I'm sure
they can come up with something better.
- The puck is often passed to a player you didn't think you were aiming
for.
Fix: The passes should be done in this way: you press the pass button and
then aim for a player. The aimed player changes color (hilighted for
example) and you can ajust your aim for another player, which will then
change color. So you can make sure the puck goes to the right player.
Just release the button to execute the pass.
- The defenseman maneuver a lot better than in nhl94 and 95, but there is
still improvement to be made
- In one player mode, the your team's center doesn't position himself in
front of the goalie.
- When you attack with free players, controlling a wing, a centering pass
will go to the other wingman instead of the center, therefore spoiling
the paly.
- The announcer voice *could* be better (except during the game - it's okay)
- It's too easy to trip the computer without getting a penalty.
I have a few other critics but I don't have them in mind right now. The
game does have great graphics, great sound and I don't regret buying it.
But I hope that 97 will be more realistic.
alban
InetConnect_Rep411
>Spaz? Wow, havent heard that one in geez I don't know how many years.
>Oh, you Canadian's are surely on the cutting edge aren't you? The
>fact that EA did beans between 94 and 95 is why I said 96 was an
>acceptable game to me. The car to computer comparison is indeed a
>shitty analogy, so why did you bother...? A car's reliability can be
>based not only on production, but consumer negligence, etc.... I
>needn't carry this nonsense out any further . At this point, I'd
>probably call you a moron, but I'll refrain, as that would bring me
>down to your childish name calling level which I have not done since
>I'm posting to this thread, but that should alert you to my thoughts
>at least.
>
>Larry
>
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Jeff Williams
>Hello there!
>I bought NHl'96 a month ago. I am dissappointed about a few things but
>NHL'96 still is a good game.
>My complaints are:
>- It's still very hard to avoid getting a penalty for interference.
>There's no way you can take a rebound without hitting the goalie.
>Fix: There should be a STOP button. Everyone has 4 buttons joystick, and
>if you don't, well you can use the keyboard. Only two buttons are used
>now. So with a STOP button, you could grab the reboud, stop and shoot,
>without hitting the goalie. Might not be a brilliant idea, but I'm sure
>they can come up with something better.
I agree, there should be 4 button support. I think there will be in
NHL 97; FIFA 96 has it and it works very well. I have to tell you
it's a huge adjustment for me going from the 3 button system in NHL
games on the Genesis to the 2 button system on the PC (I've had
previous versions of NHL for the PC, but keep returning to the Genesis
versions because in the past they've always been somewhat better IMO);
2 buttons just aren't enough, especially when most people are playing
with gamepads. On defense, "hold" has got to be a separate button.
On offense, you could have one button for speed bursts so you didn't
have to double-tap (FIFA does this; the B-button is for sprinting with
or without the ball). The other button could be a "Stop" button or
even an "avoid check" button, where a player would execute a spin, a
duck, etc. to avoid a check. This might make the game a bit too
arcade-ish, though, I dunno.
>- The puck is often passed to a player you didn't think you were aiming
>for.
>Fix: The passes should be done in this way: you press the pass button and
>then aim for a player. The aimed player changes color (hilighted for
>example) and you can ajust your aim for another player, which will then
>change color. So you can make sure the puck goes to the right player.
>Just release the button to execute the pass.
>- When you attack with free players, controlling a wing, a centering pass
>will go to the other wingman instead of the center, therefore spoiling
>the paly.
(I combined these two points into one because they're basically the
same thing.)
I think this would detract from the speed of the game (your passing
scheme idea). You shouldn't have to stop and think and then aim
manually to pass. With practice you'll learn to hit who you want. I
still miss easy one-timers occasionally, but not very often. The
thing is that when you center the puck, that's really all you're
doing, you're not actually passing it to anyone in particular. I
believe this is a feature of the game, since the puck always seems to
go through the same part of the ice in front of the goalie, and it
just so happens that more often than not your winger is who ends up
closest to the puck, albeit all the way on the other side of the ice.
But if you take control of your center just before the puck passes
through the crease and make a run for the puck, you can get it most of
the time for the one-timer.
>- The defenseman maneuver a lot better than in nhl94 and 95, but there is
>still improvement to be made
Yeah, like the fact that they'll completely give up on you if you go
behind their net. They'll just leave you there to do whatever you
want; make a wraparound, make a pass, etc.
>- In one player mode, the your team's center doesn't position himself in
>front of the goalie.
Not necessarily the center; different teams have different guys whose
job it is to do this. For example, Boston has Cam Neely, a winger.
The Rangers have Adam Graves, also a winger. Detroit has Dino
Ciccarelli, again a winger. But *someone* has to go in front of the
net in NHL 96, and nobody ever does. If you're fighting for the puck
in the corner of the opponent's zone, when you come out with it one of
your players, no matter who it is, has got to be standing there in
front of the goalie. That's just hockey. A major AI oversight by EA.
>- The announcer voice *could* be better (except during the game - it's okay)
I want play by play like in FIFA.
// Jeff Williams
// NYU U.G. Film and Television/Cinema Studies
// jmw...@is2.nyu.edu
// http://pages.nyu.edu/~jmw8863
Ric
>Nguyen Anh D Le <l...@cps.msu.edu> wrote:
>>Thus spake TSE KENNETH (ts...@ecf.toronto.edu):
>>
>>: I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>>: goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
>>: problem or has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>>NHL '93 and '95 had the same bug.
>This isn't a bug, it's in the NHL rulebook - it's goaltender interference to be
>in the crease when a goal is scored, and you CAN be penalised for it. Most of
>the time they just call off the goal nowadays but I can recall a time a few
>years back when they actually enforced the rule and gave penalties as well.
*Read* His post!!! He said that his friend Scored AND Got a penalty.
THAT is not in the NHL rulebook. If you are penalized on a goal
scoring play, the *Goal* does not count.
Hence, it's a bug.
Ric
Gary Schuck (VIDEO)
In article <49j966$2...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, ear...@ix.netcom.com (The Eleventh Earl of Mar) writes:
|> TSE KENNETH <ts...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
|>
|>
|> >I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
|> >goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
|> >problem or has anyone else experienced this?
|>
|> penalties aren't called until the offending team touches the puck, the goal
|> possibly should have counted. What I'm guessing happened is that the player
|> with the puck ran in to the goalie, got knocked down, and the puck slid into
|> the net (?). I don't think an NHL ref would let the goal count, but then
|> again, this isn't the real NHL. What's the point of interference calls with
|> the ancient sports legend -- touch the goalie and fall down.
If the player interferes with the goalie before the puck is in the net, then the penalty should be called, as the player doing the interference is considered to be in "possession and control" of the puck even after he takes the shot. The goal should be disallowed.
However, if the puck crosses the goal line and the player then creams the goalie, the goal should count and the player should be penalized for running into the goalie (roughing).
Delayed penalties are called when the offending team gains possession and control of the puck, which is not necessarily the next time that they touch it. Remember that if a player passes or shoots the puck, he is considered to be in possession and control of the puck until someone else gains possession and control of the puck. Note that a deflection constitutes possession, but not possession and control.
-- Gary
-- Gary
osemf
>In article <49j966$2...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, ear...@ix.netcom.com (The Eleventh Earl of Mar) writes:
>|> TSE KENNETH <ts...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>|>
>|>
>|> >I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>|> >goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
>|> >problem or has anyone else experienced this?
>|>
>|> Hmm.. well techincally, I can see how it could be a correct call. Since
>|> penalties aren't called until the offending team touches the puck, the goal
>|> possibly should have counted. What I'm guessing happened is that the player
>|> with the puck ran in to the goalie, got knocked down, and the puck slid into
>|> the net (?). I don't think an NHL ref would let the goal count, but then
>|> again, this isn't the real NHL. What's the point of interference calls with
>|> the ancient sports legend -- touch the goalie and fall down.
>If the player interferes with the goalie before the puck is in the net, then the penalty should be called, as the player doing the interference is considered to be in "possession and control" of the puck even after he takes the shot. The goal should be disallowed.
Geeez I didn't say it was right, I just said I could see how that could be
called in NHL '96.
The Eleventh Earl of Mar
>st...@info.polymtl.ca (Alban Wood) wrote:
>>Hello there!
>>I bought NHl'96 a month ago. I am dissappointed about a few things but
>>NHL'96 still is a good game.
>>My complaints are:
>>- It's still very hard to avoid getting a penalty for interference.
>>There's no way you can take a rebound without hitting the goalie.
>>Fix: There should be a STOP button. Everyone has 4 buttons joystick, and
>>if you don't, well you can use the keyboard. Only two buttons are used
>>now. So with a STOP button, you could grab the reboud, stop and shoot,
>>without hitting the goalie. Might not be a brilliant idea, but I'm sure
>>they can come up with something better.
>I agree, there should be 4 button support. I think there will be in
Now you've made me do it. Here's my suggested 4-button controls:
With puck:
A- Pass
B- Shoot
X- Flip pass
Y- Leave (like drop pass)
Without puck:
A- Pokecheck; (with direction key) sweepcheck; switch players; (prolonged)
switch to goalie
B- Speed burst/check
X- Shove; (if near boards) pin
Y- Block (has anyone successfully done it using the stupid two-button way?)
Goalie without puck:
A- (if puck loose) Dive and smother; (if player has it) dive/pokecheck
B- Attempt save
X- Shove player (ooo a penalty if the player's not in the crease for that,
sometimes!)
Y- Pokecheck (no dive)
With puck
A- Pass
B- Clear
X- Leave puck (i.e. leave for player behind net)
Y- Hold (to get a whistle right away)
>The other button could be a "Stop" button or
>even an "avoid check" button, where a player would execute a spin, a
>duck, etc. to avoid a check. This might make the game a bit too
>arcade-ish, though, I dunno.
Well, you can always tap the opposite direction key twice rapidly to stop in
your tracks. Works well for checks too.
>>- The puck is often passed to a player you didn't think you were aiming
>>for.
>>Fix: The passes should be done in this way: you press the pass button and
>>then aim for a player. The aimed player changes color (hilighted for
>>example) and you can ajust your aim for another player, which will then
>>change color. So you can make sure the puck goes to the right player.
>>Just release the button to execute the pass.
I haven't had that problem, but even so, I think hockey's a little too fast to
do something likes that, unless you can turn that option on or off, or have a
rookie mode that freezes play while you decide. So I agree with...
>I think this would detract from the speed of the game (your passing
>scheme idea). You shouldn't have to stop and think and then aim
>manually to pass. With practice you'll learn to hit who you want. I
>still miss easy one-timers occasionally, but not very often. The
>thing is that when you center the puck, that's really all you're
>doing, you're not actually passing it to anyone in particular. I
>believe this is a feature of the game, since the puck always seems to
>go through the same part of the ice in front of the goalie, and it
>just so happens that more often than not your winger is who ends up
>closest to the puck, albeit all the way on the other side of the ice.
>But if you take control of your center just before the puck passes
>through the crease and make a run for the puck, you can get it most of
>the time for the one-timer.
>>- The defenseman maneuver a lot better than in nhl94 and 95, but there is
>>still improvement to be made
>Yeah, like the fact that they'll completely give up on you if you go
>behind their net. They'll just leave you there to do whatever you
>want; make a wraparound, make a pass, etc.
Well they probably figure you'll either lose the puck on the mesh or not be
able to get it when it's right behind the goalie on the side of the net, like
themselves.
Sabman
No this was really meant to be put in the game...as EA says...but it
stinks! They say that the referees dont catch everything...even if
you don't interfere with the goalie...you still get the call!?!
>That's what's supposed to happen but my friend actually got a goal. If
>you interefere with the goalie and score the goal is disallowed and a
>penalty is called!
>Kenneth M Tse
>ts...@ecf.toronto.edu
>On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, David Mellenthin wrote:
>> TSE KENNETH <ts...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >I was just playing NHL 96 over the modem with my friend and he hit my
>> >goalie and scored AND got an interference penalty!! Is this a new
>> >problem or has anyone else experienced this?
>>