Deus Ex as a pacifist?
Zackman
setting, and I've managed to get thru the Statue of Liberty level without
killing a soul, thanks to judicious use of tranq darts, the electric prod,
gas grenades, the baton (works wonders when wounded troopers are fleeing in
terror from a hacked turret) and plain ol' stealth. Of course it's all for
naught, seeing as how the eager UNATCO soldiers massacre every remaining NFS
trooper at the end anyway, but still... no blood on my hands. (On my first
run thru the game I ditched the non-lethal weaponry early on and basically
killed anything that moved.)
So now I'm wondering, would it be possible to get thru the entire game
without killing ANYONE AT ALL, except for the obvious exceptions (enemy NPCs
that must die for the story to continue) if you use augs like cloak and
silent running and stock up on non-lethal weaponry? I can't remember if
there are any places in the game where you actually need to kill someone
rather than just knock 'em out or sneak past 'em.
Has anyone done this? Seems like it would be hard as hell, but an
interesting challenge...
-Z-
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: I will say no, as some people has to be killed.
: Anna
: Gunther
At least you needn't get your hands dirty on those..
: A guy in the missile silo
Wouldn't tranq darts work on that one? If one headshot from a pistol does,
then I guess there is no reason why darts wouldn't.
: And I think, all MIB/WIB
hm.. if you *really* want to be without killing anyone, then you can
simply avoid them. Not sure if either tranq or EMP would work, never tried :).
Troy
<who...@wherever.com> wrote in message news:8m8v9t$4c$1...@kadri.ut.ee...
The cattleprod works very nicely on the MIBs, just about the only weapon
that will take em down with 1 shot (from behind) not counting high
explosives.
Troy
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who...@wherever.com
: The cattleprod works very nicely on the MIBs, just about the only weapon
: that will take em down with 1 shot (from behind) not counting high
: explosives.
Headshot from a sniper rifle takes them down as well, at least with rifles
at master level.
Carl W. Bell
<zac...@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote:
>Has anyone done this? Seems like it would be hard as hell, but an
>interesting challenge...
How about an atheistic vegetarian w/o wishing or genocide?
Oh wait. That's Nethack. Nevermind.
-cb
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who...@wherever.com
:>Has anyone done this? Seems like it would be hard as hell, but an
:>interesting challenge...
: How about an atheistic vegetarian w/o wishing or genocide?
: Oh wait. That's Nethack. Nevermind.
Heh. I kept wishing for Genocide spell in Diablo 2, esp. in Act 3 with those
annoying pygmies :).
JPA
"Zackman" <zac...@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote:
difficulty
> setting, and I've managed to get thru the Statue of Liberty level
without
> killing a soul, thanks to judicious use of tranq darts, the electric
prod,
> gas grenades, the baton (works wonders when wounded troopers are
fleeing in
> terror from a hacked turret) and plain ol' stealth. Of course it's
all for
> naught, seeing as how the eager UNATCO soldiers massacre every
remaining NFS
> trooper at the end anyway, but still... no blood on my hands. (On my
first
> run thru the game I ditched the non-lethal weaponry early on and
basically
> killed anything that moved.)
>
> without killing ANYONE AT ALL, except for the obvious exceptions
(enemy NPCs
and
> silent running and stock up on non-lethal weaponry? I can't remember
if
> there are any places in the game where you actually need to kill
someone
> rather than just knock 'em out or sneak past 'em.
>
> interesting challenge...
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Hmmm... I didn't do it, but I surely think it's possible. The AI isn't
that intelligent (at all...), and the realistic setting only increases
the amount of damage given/taken. So, yeah, I think it's possible and
you shouldn't have any problems.
:-^)
J...
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exactly though) as a pacifist. he only had to kill 1 guy, and that
was because he didnt have any gas grenades left.
MechD
> Hmmm... I didn't do it, but I surely think it's possible. The AI isn't
> that intelligent (at all...), and the realistic setting only increases
> the amount of damage given/taken. So, yeah, I think it's possible and
> you shouldn't have any problems.
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> :-^)
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> J...
At realistic is it damage given/taken that increases? or just how much u
take per hit? I have heard it both ways...also, how much is the damage
increased from say Easy to Realistic? Is it like
Easy = basic grunt takes 4 or 5 body shots to take down
Medium = basic grunt down in 3 or 4 body shots
Hard = basic grunt down in 2 or 3 body shots
Realistic = basic grunt down in 1 or 2 body shots
basic grunt = NSF or UNATCO trooper...Body shots would be with the basic
10mm (.45) handgun
Thanks
MechD
Damien Neil
Zackman <zac...@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote:
>without killing ANYONE AT ALL, except for the obvious exceptions (enemy NPCs
>that must die for the story to continue) if you use augs like cloak and
>silent running and stock up on non-lethal weaponry?
I'm up to the Paris sewers, and I've only killed on three occasions.
One was plot-critical and happened in a cut-sceen, the second was
defending Paul (avoidable, but I wasn't about to chicken out and leave
him), and the third was the traitor hiding in the clinic.
Here's hoping I can keep it up to the end.
- Damien
Laner
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> I will say no, as some people has to be killed.
> Anna
> Gunther
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Werner Arend
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Zackman wrote:
> Has anyone done this? Seems like it would be hard as hell, but an
> interesting challenge...
If you're like me and want to explore every place, it's very hard, mostly
due to the lack of ammo for non-lethal weaponry. You will have to avoid
many enemies.
I tried this, and it works for the first missions. I don't count
destroying a robot as a "kill" though. Later it gets very hard, especially
if you play in realistic. No more tranquilizer darts to speak of, and prod
ammo becomes scarce too.
Werner
JPA
I never did the *exact* simulation trying to obtain the exact number of
hits, etc. However, I think it is easy enough to get a rough idea if
you simulate it.
I do know this, in "easy" mode in the very first mission at the Statue
of Liberty, your alterego can take a *lot* of damage before you go
down. And your opponent(s) go down with little problem (whether it be
melee, or stealth tactics).
However, going to the realistic mode in the *same* area (i.e., right
after you talk to Paul and enter the Statue area, your alter-ego goes
down *real quick* from the lowly NSF trooper.
I think it is doable (going through the entire game without killing
anyone). However, I also think in order to accomplish this feat, you
will *have* to bypass opponents. I don't think you can take out every
character/situation solely with say tranq darts, gas grenades, pepper
spray, fire extinquishers, and so on.
When you look and play this game (as a whole), it ain't a bad game is
it?
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Stormrider
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>I will say no, as some people has to be killed.
>Anna
>Gunther
>A guy in the missile silo
Walton Simons
>And I think, all MIB/WIB
No, they can be knocked out with a prod.
I think you have to kill Maggie Chow too.
JPA
Just for the record, you don't *have* to kill Gunther.
He will kill himself (if you know the right words :)
Wonder if there is something in there for Simons? Hmmm, don't think so
though --- he is a nasty MF.
Worker Working
Zackman wrote:
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> I'm playing through Deus Ex again, this time on the 'realistic' difficulty
> setting, and I've managed to get thru the Statue of Liberty level without
> killing a soul, thanks to judicious use of tranq darts, the electric prod,
> gas grenades, the baton (works wonders when wounded troopers are fleeing in
> terror from a hacked turret) and plain ol' stealth. Of course it's all for
> naught, seeing as how the eager UNATCO soldiers massacre every remaining NFS
> trooper at the end anyway, but still... no blood on my hands. (On my first
> run thru the game I ditched the non-lethal weaponry early on and basically
> killed anything that moved.)
>
> So now I'm wondering, would it be possible to get thru the entire game
> without killing ANYONE AT ALL, except for the obvious exceptions (enemy NPCs
> that must die for the story to continue) if you use augs like cloak and
> silent running and stock up on non-lethal weaponry? I can't remember if
> there are any places in the game where you actually need to kill someone
> rather than just knock 'em out or sneak past 'em.
>
> Has anyone done this? Seems like it would be hard as hell, but an
> interesting challenge...
>
Yes, it is possible.
All I did was re-map my keys so that instead of my num keys picking
weapons, they pick phrases:
1. Hey, look behind you!
2. There's a phone call for you in the office.
3. Hey Good-lookin! Is that a crossbow in your pocket or are you just
happy to see me?
4. *hands on temples* These aren't the droids you're looking for
5. I'm here to check your water heater
With these phrases and a few creative sexy walks and drunken stumbling
the guards will allow you to pass.
Well, gotta get back to the game. I'm at the point in Hong Kong where I
have to have sex with a guard to get into the warehouse.
Slash
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>Just for the record, you don't *have* to kill Gunther.
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>Wonder if there is something in there for Simons? Hmmm, don't think so
>though --- he is a nasty MF.
Heh, not when you fire a LAW at him as he runs towards you. :)
BAM.
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Daniel A. Stephenson
Me...@mn.mediaone.net says...> news:qdkiossvi2cf386vs...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:09:38 GMT, "MechD" <Me...@mn.mediaone.net> wrote:
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> > >At realistic is it damage given/taken that increases? or just how much u
> > >take per hit? I have heard it both ways...also, how much is the damage
> > >increased from say Easy to Realistic? Is it like
> > >Easy = basic grunt takes 4 or 5 body shots to take down
> > >Medium = basic grunt down in 3 or 4 body shots
> > >Hard = basic grunt down in 2 or 3 body shots
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> Acutally I must have forgot to mention it but the other side would do
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> MechD
Hmm, that would make my current character (already finished once as a
sniper), a sneaky low-tech melee guy, very difficult to play on other
than the Medium difficult level I'm playing at. Sometimes I have to suck
up the round to get the kill in. But now I have the Great Melee Weapon,
so thinks will get better now.
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(Remove the nospam from my email address before replying with email.)
MechD
MechD
> Hmm, that would make my current character (already finished once as a
> sniper), a sneaky low-tech melee guy, very difficult to play on other
> than the Medium difficult level I'm playing at. Sometimes I have to suck
> up the round to get the kill in. But now I have the Great Melee Weapon,
> so thinks will get better now.
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> Dan Stephenson
Hmm..well maybe not to such an extreme, but give it a setting that would be
more life like..IE your character might be able to survive a few more than 1
or 2, but not a huge amount, you are augmented after all..
MechD
JPA
Oh yea! Love da' LAW. :) --- Walter Simons looked at the other end of
mine in Area 51 ... LOL.
I personally didn't (want to) play the game as a pacifist. I liked to
play it as a stealth .... arggghhh Killer! :)
Andreas Baus
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> I think you have to kill Maggie Chow too.
I definitely did not have to kill Maggie. Since she is just wielding a
dragon tooth sword (i.e. no ranged attack) all I had to do was to shoot her
with a tranq dart, and then let her chase me in circles around the UC
until she collapsed (rather hilarous, that one :)
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