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The Callisto Protocol - when you're allowed to review bomb?
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JAB
Dec 2, 2022, 4:16:21 AM12/2/22
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So on Steam the reviews are 'mostly negative' and it seems that's driven
by from a technical point of view the graphics performance is just bad
and it's not the occasional problem or some strange system config so it
seems to be pretty hard to believe that the devs didn't know thisfull
well but released it anyway.
A comment in a review I found interesting was this one.
"I wont give this a bad review off optimization alone because thats
unfair and its only Day 1, this is more complicated then anyone in this
review section can comprehend."
Am I missing something as personally if you pay £50 for a game and the
performance was this bad I think someone is perfectly entitled to give
it a bad review.
by from a technical point of view the graphics performance is just bad
and it's not the occasional problem or some strange system config so it
seems to be pretty hard to believe that the devs didn't know thisfull
well but released it anyway.
A comment in a review I found interesting was this one.
"I wont give this a bad review off optimization alone because thats
unfair and its only Day 1, this is more complicated then anyone in this
review section can comprehend."
Am I missing something as personally if you pay £50 for a game and the
performance was this bad I think someone is perfectly entitled to give
it a bad review.
rms
Dec 2, 2022, 9:48:46 AM12/2/22
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>So on Steam the reviews are 'mostly negative' and it seems that's driven by
>from a technical point of view the graphics performance is just bad
A couple other negative drivers are likely Denuvo, which still angers
>from a technical point of view the graphics performance is just bad
people -- I could care less -- and an announcement that some death
animations were being 'held back' for dlc. The game is just too pricey for
me is my negative :) Elden Ring is the only recent game I've paid full
price for recently.
rms
Zaghadka
Dec 2, 2022, 9:53:54 AM12/2/22
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 09:16:17 +0000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
wrote:
Hmm. *Recommended* requirements list a 1070 GTX, but reviews say the game
has ray-tracing? Sounds like they tested it on a 3 generations old card,
in DX11, and then offered a game running DX12 with DXR.
WTF?
I will say that Nvidia hasn't released a GRD for this game, however. The
publisher might have released anticipating a GRD that got held up, and
Nvidia drops the ball.
So the day 1 "it's complicated" comment may have a point. Perhaps it's
more fair just to ask for a refund.
Or perhaps the publisher might consider that people upgrade their
graphics card.
Tough call.
--
Zag
No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten
wrote:
has ray-tracing? Sounds like they tested it on a 3 generations old card,
in DX11, and then offered a game running DX12 with DXR.
WTF?
I will say that Nvidia hasn't released a GRD for this game, however. The
publisher might have released anticipating a GRD that got held up, and
Nvidia drops the ball.
So the day 1 "it's complicated" comment may have a point. Perhaps it's
more fair just to ask for a refund.
Or perhaps the publisher might consider that people upgrade their
graphics card.
Tough call.
--
Zag
No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten
Spalls Hurgenson
Dec 2, 2022, 10:04:17 AM12/2/22
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 07:48:42 -0700, "rms" <rsqui...@MOOflashMOO.net>
wrote:
All legitimate reasons, as far as I'm concerned. In fact, I think it's
sad that these are taken in stride by so many gamers.
"Poor optimization and crashes? Oh, the game is still new, they'll fix
it." No. They fix it BEFORE they take my money. I am no their unpaid
intern working QA for them. Get your game running properly before you
shove it out the door.
"Disruptive and ineffective DRM that potentially opens back-doors,
slows down the game and makes it harder to use my property? Oh, that's
okay, and maybe they'll take it out later." No. It doesn't stop piracy
and I don't think I - as the end user - should have to accept all the
downsides to support your business model. Fuck off with that shit.
"The game is incomplete because it's more profitable to release it
piecemeal; well, I'll just buy the DLC to get the full package as was
originally indended by the designer." No. Give me the full game all at
one price. Don't degrade the experience so you can nickle-and-dime
players.
If all this raises the price of games, well, so be it. At least it
will be honest. And maybe if gamers weren't so accepting of these
shifty practices, publishers might start figuring out ways on how to
profitably create games that don't rely on these shortcuts. Right now
it seems lazy and greedy and if a game gets bad reviews because it
engages in these sorts of practices, I'm perfectly fine with it.
<grump grump grump>
wrote:
sad that these are taken in stride by so many gamers.
"Poor optimization and crashes? Oh, the game is still new, they'll fix
it." No. They fix it BEFORE they take my money. I am no their unpaid
intern working QA for them. Get your game running properly before you
shove it out the door.
"Disruptive and ineffective DRM that potentially opens back-doors,
slows down the game and makes it harder to use my property? Oh, that's
okay, and maybe they'll take it out later." No. It doesn't stop piracy
and I don't think I - as the end user - should have to accept all the
downsides to support your business model. Fuck off with that shit.
"The game is incomplete because it's more profitable to release it
piecemeal; well, I'll just buy the DLC to get the full package as was
originally indended by the designer." No. Give me the full game all at
one price. Don't degrade the experience so you can nickle-and-dime
players.
If all this raises the price of games, well, so be it. At least it
will be honest. And maybe if gamers weren't so accepting of these
shifty practices, publishers might start figuring out ways on how to
profitably create games that don't rely on these shortcuts. Right now
it seems lazy and greedy and if a game gets bad reviews because it
engages in these sorts of practices, I'm perfectly fine with it.
<grump grump grump>
Anssi Saari
Dec 2, 2022, 10:43:36 AM12/2/22
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JAB <no...@nochance.com> writes:
> Am I missing something as personally if you pay £50 for a game and the
> performance was this bad I think someone is perfectly entitled to give
> it a bad review.
Definitely. Besides, from the RPS review it seems Callisto Protocol is a
> Am I missing something as personally if you pay £50 for a game and the
> performance was this bad I think someone is perfectly entitled to give
> it a bad review.
bad game, period. Or at most mediocre. They reviewed on a PS5 mostly.
rms
Dec 2, 2022, 12:42:10 PM12/2/22
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>Definitely. Besides, from the RPS review it seems Callisto Protocol is a
>bad game, period. Or at most mediocre. They reviewed on a PS5 mostly.
shader compilation ruining callisto protocol
>bad game, period. Or at most mediocre. They reviewed on a PS5 mostly.
https://youtu.be/Psetdjz01mI?t=1362 and single-thread limited, oof.
"fundamentally broken on PC" tough review.
But those are all technical issues. The game itself the Digital Foundry
review (who I believe played on console) liked it quite a bit. I think I'm
*more* interested in the game than before watching this performance review,
but yes will shelve it in my mind and wait for updates and discounts.
rms
JAB
Dec 3, 2022, 5:50:10 AM12/3/22
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stuttering issue so now the reviews will just focus on the game and
there seem to be quite a few of them that say it's just not a very good
game. If the best you came come up with is it's like Deadspace just not
as good then that doesn't sound like £50 well spent.
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