Alien Quake TC Outrage!
Jon Hollander
I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
aware, Fox has threatened legal action against the authors of this
fine quake add-on unless all the files are removed and erased
immediately. Thankfully, most of the main quake sites promptly
complied with Fox's demand and removed the offending files. But the
operators of the many mirror sites have yet to comply with this
request.
In fact, this very morning, almost a week since the files should
have been erased, I went to several FTP search sites, such as
http://ftpsearch.ntno.no, entered the name of one of the five Alien
Quake TC files (e.g. alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc), and found several
mirror sites that still had these files. I urge anyone who finds any
of these files NOT to download them and to inform the site's
administrator of this situation. I certainly would have done so
myself, but being a computer novice, I am still having difficulty
getting my e-mail to work.
Fortunately, I have yet to find a copy of an alleged patch of Alien
Quake TC, which updates it to v1.1 and I'm told adds such useful
features as 3rd-person perspective. If anyone knows the name or
location of such a file, I would appreciate being notified, so I can
work to have it removed as soon as possible.
With everyone's cooperation, we can all work protect the Fox's
trademarks from unlawful use.
Thank you,
JMH
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
to express something other than and esp. the opposite
of the literal meaning.
Steve Cronin
Who are you anyway?
Jon Hollander <hollan...@osu.edu> wrote in article
<5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...
Andrew S. Liebeskind
In article <01bc5287$2b70b300$469b5ccf@uspppsmcron>,
Steve Cronin <smc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Who are you anyway?
Read his post again. Read his .sig. Think *carefully* before you
flame him. (Not that you were necessarily going to, but if you
weren't, then someone else is.)
BTW, Jon: try http://www.nucore.com/~dss97/download.htm
I'm *sure* you'll do the right thing. <grin> And nice post, even if
it's going to get you flamed to hell and back by the cluelessly
self-righteous.
>Jon Hollander <hollan...@osu.edu> wrote in article
><5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...
>> I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
>> cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
[...]
>> Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
>> Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
>> to express something other than and esp. the opposite
>> of the literal meaning.
--
*** Andrew Liebeskind ************************** Hello, small mammal. ***
* "Guess kids these days just can't tell their gravity from their *
* rotating frame of reference." -- _Consider Phlebas_, Iain M. Banks *
*** flat...@clark.net *********** http://www.clark.net/pub/flatline/ ***
Richard Wang
Jon Hollander (hollan...@osu.edu) wrote:
<snip>
: In fact, this very morning, almost a week since the files should
: have been erased, I went to several FTP search sites, such as
: http://ftpsearch.ntno.no, entered the name of one of the five Alien
: Quake TC files (e.g. alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc), and found several
: mirror sites that still had these files. I urge anyone who finds any
: of these files NOT to download them and to inform the site's
: administrator of this situation. I certainly would have done so
: myself, but being a computer novice, I am still having difficulty
: getting my e-mail to work.
Yet you can happily post to newsgroups and use FTP search engines?????
: Fortunately, I have yet to find a copy of an alleged patch of Alien
: Quake TC, which updates it to v1.1 and I'm told adds such useful
: features as 3rd-person perspective. If anyone knows the name or
: location of such a file, I would appreciate being notified, so I can
: work to have it removed as soon as possible.
Translation : I found Alien quake at ftpblahblahblah
Where can I get v1.1 patch?
I'm scared of Fox so I'll pretend to agree with them.
I suppose they'll want to sue me for having X-Files wallpaper on my
desktop next. I can hear Mr. Murdoch's hit squad coming up the stairs
now.....
--
Richard Wang sjoh...@sable.ox.ac.uk
Steve Cronin
Yes I am a moron. I unfortunately didn' t read down that far. I honestly
truly appreciate your tactful demeanor in bring my cluelessness to my
attention.
p.s BTW, I was going to flame him, but I am too busy roasting in my own
barbeque right now
Andrew S. Liebeskind <flat...@clark.net> wrote in article
<5ju5op$r...@clarknet.clark.net>...
Kurt
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:51:05 GMT, hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander)
wrote:
> I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
>cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
>aware, Fox has threatened legal action against the authors of this
>fine quake add-on unless all the files are removed and erased
>immediately. Thankfully, most of the main quake sites promptly
>complied with Fox's demand and removed the offending files. But the
>operators of the many mirror sites have yet to comply with this
>request.
> In fact, this very morning, almost a week since the files should
>have been erased, I went to several FTP search sites, such as
>http://ftpsearch.ntno.no, entered the name of one of the five Alien
>Quake TC files (e.g. alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc), and found several
>mirror sites that still had these files. I urge anyone who finds any
>of these files NOT to download them and to inform the site's
>administrator of this situation. I certainly would have done so
>myself, but being a computer novice, I am still having difficulty
>getting my e-mail to work.
> Fortunately, I have yet to find a copy of an alleged patch of Alien
>Quake TC, which updates it to v1.1 and I'm told adds such useful
>features as 3rd-person perspective. If anyone knows the name or
>location of such a file, I would appreciate being notified, so I can
>work to have it removed as soon as possible.
> With everyone's cooperation, we can all work protect the Fox's
>trademarks from unlawful use.
>
>Thank you,
>
>JMH
>
Who cares? It must be a fun game. I'm going to try to find it so I
can put an end to this outrage. <sarcasm>
sj
:In article <5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
:hollan...@osu.edu says...
:>
:> I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
:>cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
Go to see a doctor immediately.
Richard Wang
Andrew S. Liebeskind (flat...@clark.net) wrote:
: In article <01bc5287$2b70b300$469b5ccf@uspppsmcron>,
: Read his post again. Read his .sig. Think *carefully* before you
: flame him. (Not that you were necessarily going to, but if you
: weren't, then someone else is.)
: BTW, Jon: try http://www.nucore.com/~dss97/download.htm
: I'm *sure* you'll do the right thing. <grin> And nice post, even if
: it's going to get you flamed to hell and back by the cluelessly
: self-righteous.
: [...]
: >> Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
: >> Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
: >> to express something other than and esp. the opposite
: >> of the literal meaning.
: --
*DOH* Oops!
--
Richard Wang sjoh...@sable.ox.ac.uk
Scott R.
rrevved wrote:
*SNIP*~~~~~~~~~~~~
READ THIS::::::
> >Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
> >Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
> >to express something other than and esp. the opposite
> >of the literal meaning.
> >
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> rre...@mindspring.com
Ok? now go read his original message.
(OPEN MOUTH, INSERT and INSERT FOOT)
--
To EMAIL me, please Remove the *** at the end of my address.
AR
Why would FOX be threatened by this? The game is free, the author is not
making
any money outta this, and it sure as hell are not gonna sell a million
Quake for ID.
(theres a gazillion more reason to buy quake than Alien).
So what, they want the author to pay them? This is ridiculous, if every
company is
as money minded as FOX there wont be any fan sites, or vid game site in the
internet. Thank god its only 1 company. I can live without alien.
Pa...@skol.demon.co.uk
On occasions, I despair.
Then I see that the only UK poster to have swallowed the bait hook,
line & sinker had the good sense to follow his post up with a
retraction.
Then I despair less.
But the rest of 'em still make me despair.
Paul.
(Who didn't believe that the British were one of the few remaining
cultures to understand the word "irony" ... until he joined Usenet).
Jon Hollander
Ouch! My toes are getting a bit warm. So much for trying to be
clever. Thanks to all for helping me locate those violators.
Now if I could only get my outbound e-mail to work....
JMH
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
"He who has provoked the shaft of wit, cannot complain
that he smarts from it."
--Samuel Johnson
Michael T. Scott
Nope. There are a number of companies jumping on the misuse of property
bandwagon. These companies want control the public image of their
products (and they probably have a right). CNET examined this issue
this week, and it seems that fan sites that use trademarks and
multi-media clips from TV series and movies are starting to be shut down
all over the place. Paramount and Viacom are doing this as well as Fox
(which has a large number of shows generating fan sites--X Files,
Millennium, 90210, Melrose Place, The Simpsons, etc, etc). They can't
stop the fans from discussing their shows or from putting up unofficial
Web sites that don't employ any trademarks to imagery from their
products, but text-only Web sites don't have much appeal.
-- mts
Steve Cronin
Thanks for your contribution.
Richard Wang <sjoh...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in article
<5jvh6f$r...@news.ox.ac.uk>...
> Andrew S. Liebeskind (flat...@clark.net) wrote:
> : In article <01bc5287$2b70b300$469b5ccf@uspppsmcron>,
> : Steve Cronin <smc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> : >
> : >Who are you anyway?
>
> : Read his post again. Read his .sig. Think *carefully* before you
> : flame him. (Not that you were necessarily going to, but if you
> : weren't, then someone else is.)
>
> : BTW, Jon: try http://www.nucore.com/~dss97/download.htm
> : I'm *sure* you'll do the right thing. <grin> And nice post, even if
> : it's going to get you flamed to hell and back by the cluelessly
> : self-righteous.
>
> : [...]
> : >> Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
> : >> Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
> : >> to express something other than and esp. the opposite
> : >> of the literal meaning.
Steve Cronin
"Whooooooooooooooooooooshhhh"
-the sound your original post made as it passed over everyones head
(including my own:)
Jon Hollander <hollan...@osu.edu> wrote in article
<5k0e4j$7bp$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...
Steve Cronin
People in glass houses should not throw stones, there Scott.
Scott R. <Scr...@ix.netcom.com***> wrote in article
<5jvqqn$j...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
> rrevved wrote:
> *SNIP*~~~~~~~~~~~~
> READ THIS::::::
> > >Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
> > >Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
> > >to express something other than and esp. the opposite
> > >of the literal meaning.
> > >
> >
Led Mirage
In article <01bc5331$daaff9c0$dd8274cf@vucqpqlj>,
AR <!fros...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Why would FOX be threatened by this? The game is free, the author is not
>making
>any money outta this, and it sure as hell are not gonna sell a million
>Quake for ID.
>(theres a gazillion more reason to buy quake than Alien).
>So what, they want the author to pay them? This is ridiculous, if every
>company is
>as money minded as FOX there wont be any fan sites, or vid game site in the
>internet. Thank god its only 1 company. I can live without alien.
>
1) intellectual property. They have the freaking copyrights, trade marks,
whatever. They have the right.
2) they've also made a dog called Alien Trilogy. Alien TC could be seen
as direct competition. Just becasue its free, doesn't mean its not
cutting into Alien Trilogy's potential revenue. Or any other future Alien
game for that matter. Alien TC is good and its free (so long as you have
the full version of Quake), so I can save a bundle and not buy the
"official" Alien game.
do...@usa.net
Dear John (BTW, why does that phrase crack me up? ;)
Thank you for the public service you have rendered. I too was
very concerned about this "Alien Quake" total conversion. Probably much
like yourself, I periodically monitor the internet for infringements of
intellectual Property and make a rigorous and methodical effort to track
down such contraband in an effort to share this information with others
so that they may be informed of its occurence
Previously on this newgroup, it was disclosed that the (now
contraband ;) Alien TC file is obtainable at
http://www.nucore.com/~dss97/download.htm. I attempted to retreive this
file -- for the sole reason of testing the veracity of this link, mind
you -- and the pesky archive is, indeed, extant. Unfortunately, as others
have mentioned, the downloading speed was very slow, and after _several_
attempts where the file transfer "timed out", I was forced to give up on
the endeavor.
But imagine my delight when I read your post, which mentioned <A>
not only a confirmation of the fact that the aforementioned contraband is
indeed still available on the internet at many other locations, but <B>
the method by which it might be found (for those who missed it, you can
do use a "search engine" for ftp files at http://ftpsearch.ntno.no ;) and
<C> the specific data required to properly execute the search (viz., by
using "alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc." as the search criteria ;).
It of course goes without saying that I used the information you
generously provided to do such a search, and -- you were right!... --
there are still quite a few places where an unsuspecting computer
enthusiast, not knowing the current legal status of the innocent-looking
files, might accidentally download said illicit material, and thus
unknowingly infringe upon the intellectual ownership rights of the Fox
corporation and other specific individuals, who have by right,
proprietary use of what is a trademarked name and concept.
I might mention parenthetically that several of the links
provided by my successful ftp search yielded _very_ good connection
speeds, and I was able to download the "Alien Quake" in its entirety at a
good clip. Also, I might make the observation that, thanks to your civic
initiative, my own research left me with a final observation:
ALIEN QUAKE IS SOME GOOD SHIT!!!
Best wishes,
DD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~
Dodo, Esq. -- do...@hotmail.com
A most fitting word for the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
to express something other than and esp. the opposite
In article <5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
>
> I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
> cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
> aware, Fox has threatened legal action against the authors of this
> fine quake add-on unless all the files are removed and erased
> immediately. Thankfully, most of the main quake sites promptly
> complied with Fox's demand and removed the offending files. But the
> operators of the many mirror sites have yet to comply with this
> request.
> In fact, this very morning, almost a week since the files should
> have been erased, I went to several FTP search sites, such as
> http://ftpsearch.ntno.no, entered the name of one of the five Alien
> Quake TC files (e.g. alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc), and found several
> mirror sites that still had these files. I urge anyone who finds any
> of these files NOT to download them and to inform the site's
> administrator of this situation. I certainly would have done so
> myself, but being a computer novice, I am still having difficulty
> getting my e-mail to work.
> Fortunately, I have yet to find a copy of an alleged patch of Alien
> Quake TC, which updates it to v1.1 and I'm told adds such useful
> features as 3rd-person perspective. If anyone knows the name or
> location of such a file, I would appreciate being notified, so I can
> work to have it removed as soon as possible.
> With everyone's cooperation, we can all work protect the Fox's
> trademarks from unlawful use.
>
> Thank you,
>
> JMH
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~
> Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
> Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
> to express something other than and esp. the opposite
> of the literal meaning.
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David Nagy
rrevved (rre...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:51:05 GMT, hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: >Jon Hollander -- hollan...@osu.edu
: >Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
: >to express something other than and esp. the opposite
: >of the literal meaning.
: >
: heavy.
And yet, not so heavy as to prevent it from sailing clean over your tiny
little head. ;)
Dave Nagy
Rick Reitano
Agreed.
The bottom line is that they HAVE to ask people to shut down these kind
of sites. This are the kind of ammo that rip-off houses use when they
get sued for selling commercial releases that use someone else's
Trademarks and Copyrights. If a company lets it go on, regardless of
whether someone else is making money from it or not, it can be used as
evidence that a company is not defending its Copyrights/Patents and can
be used to bust the intellectual property. I took a college class that
was taught by a Patent Attorney and he said that 75% of his business was
helping big companies to squash other companies' Patents and such.
They rarely take any legal action other than asking them to remove the
names and such from the site.
Mark Smith
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:59:42 -0700, David Navarro
<dna...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYdreamworks.com> wrote:
>Jon Hollander wrote:
>>
>> Ouch! My toes are getting a bit warm. So much for trying to be
>> clever. Thanks to all for helping me locate those violators.
>>
>> Now if I could only get my outbound e-mail to work....
>>
>> JMH
>>
>
>Does anybody remember the impulse number for the flares? Of course I
>*have* deleted Alien TC from my hard drive ;) but I feel curious...
>
no impulse required - just hit "F"
David Navarro
Jon Hollander wrote:
>
> Ouch! My toes are getting a bit warm. So much for trying to be
> clever. Thanks to all for helping me locate those violators.
>
> Now if I could only get my outbound e-mail to work....
>
> JMH
>
Does anybody remember the impulse number for the flares? Of course I
*have* deleted Alien TC from my hard drive ;) but I feel curious...
--
_____________________________________________________________
David Navarro
Digital Effects Animator
DreamWorks SKG
As above,
so below.
David Navarro
Mark Smith wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:59:42 -0700, David Navarro
> <dna...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYdreamworks.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Ouch! My toes are getting a bit warm. So much for trying to be
> >> clever. Thanks to all for helping me locate those violators.
> >>
> >> Now if I could only get my outbound e-mail to work....
> >>
> >> JMH
> >>
> >
> >Does anybody remember the impulse number for the flares? Of course I
> >*have* deleted Alien TC from my hard drive ;) but I feel curious...
> >
'cept it doesn't work... DIDN'T work, I mean... ^_^
Maybe if I had installed the 1.01 patch...
Mark Smith
Flares work without any patch - even in the beta - maybe you are binding another
command to the F key.
Dave Glue
Led Mirage <lmi...@interlog.com> wrote in article
<5k1c4a$r...@gold.interlog.com>...
> 2) they've also made a dog called Alien Trilogy. Alien TC could be seen
> as direct competition. Just becasue its free, doesn't mean its not
> cutting into Alien Trilogy's potential revenue.
Squeeze toys cut into Alien Trilogy's revenue. Sponges cut into it's
revenue. FOX might as well threaten legal action against Navel lint, as
all three were more fun to play with than Alien Trilogy.
Barry R Smith
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Rick Reitano wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> The bottom line is that they HAVE to ask people to shut down these kind
> of sites. This are the kind of ammo that rip-off houses use when they
> get sued for selling commercial releases that use someone else's
> Trademarks and Copyrights.
<snip for space>
> Led Mirage wrote:
>
> 1) intellectual property. They have the freaking copyrights, trade
> marks,
> whatever. They have the right.
>
> 2) they've also made a dog called Alien Trilogy. Alien TC could be
> seen
> as direct competition. Just becasue its free, doesn't mean its not
> cutting into Alien Trilogy's potential revenue. Or any other future
> Alien
> game for that matter. Alien TC is good and its free (so long as you
> have
> the full version of Quake), so I can save a bundle and not buy the
> "official" Alien game.
It is interesting that Alien Triology was a blatant Doom clone (and a
fairly lame one at that). It is ironic that they themselves lifted
numerous ideas from iD to use in their own game, and then shut down a site
producing an AlienTC for Quake! Perhaps Fox owe as much to iD as the
AlienTC people owe to Fox? Kettle calling the pot black? (or whatever the
expression is :). Whats the betting that any Alien:Ressurection game will
be a Quake clone, and hence they want to kill-off the AlienTC?!? Hmmmm...
b.
athol-brose
In article <Pine.A32.3.91.970429113803.31888B-100000@chem>,
Barry R Smith <b.r....@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
>It is interesting that Alien Triology was a blatant Doom clone (and a
>fairly lame one at that). It is ironic that they themselves lifted
>numerous ideas from iD to use in their own game, and then shut down a site
>producing an AlienTC for Quake! Perhaps Fox owe as much to iD as the
>AlienTC people owe to Fox? Kettle calling the pot black? (or whatever the
>expression is :). Whats the betting that any Alien:Ressurection game will
>be a Quake clone, and hence they want to kill-off the AlienTC?!? Hmmmm...
I don't know if it's worth it to point this out, but:
Alien Trilogy did not use any of id Software's trademarks or copyrighted
material.
AlienTC used a LOT of Fox's copyrighted material (images, soundns) and
it's trademark (the 'Alien' name associated with those images and sounds).
Doesn't take rocket science to see the difference between the two.
--
athol-brose // cinn...@one.net // http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon
still, it's just noise
Barry R Smith
On 29 Apr 1997, athol-brose wrote:
> In article <Pine.A32.3.91.970429113803.31888B-100000@chem>,
> Barry R Smith <b.r....@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
><my stuff snipped>
> I don't know if it's worth it to point this out, but:
>
> Alien Trilogy did not use any of id Software's trademarks or copyrighted
> material.
>
> AlienTC used a LOT of Fox's copyrighted material (images, soundns) and
> it's trademark (the 'Alien' name associated with those images and sounds).
>
> Doesn't take rocket science to see the difference between the two.
Yup, of course. I wasn't really trying to justify stealing
trademarks/copyrighted material, but merely pointing out a little irony in
the situation, i.e. Alien game based on Doom vs QuakeTC game based on
Alien. The first is legal, and the second (arguably) isn't, so not a
great comparisson, I agree. :)
see-you,
baz.
David Kennedy
In article <336334c8...@news.mindspring.com>,
rre...@mindspring.com (rrevved) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:51:05 GMT, hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
>
>>cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC.
>>Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
>>to express something other than and esp. the opposite
>>of the literal meaning.
>
> heavy.
Now _that_, Alanis, is ironic.
You didn't perhaps for one moment consider that the .sig was
somewhat of a clue that he wasn't being entirely serious?
--
David Kennedy, Dept. of Pure & Applied Physics, Queen's University of Belfast
Email: D.Ke...@Queens-Belfast.ac.uk | URL: http://star.pst.qub.ac.uk/~dcjk/
Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into yours and join the fun!
Maciej Rybczynski
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Best post of the year award goes to:
do...@usa.net wrote:
: Dear John (BTW, why does that phrase crack me up? ;)
: Best wishes,
: DD
: A most fitting word for the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
: to express something other than and esp. the opposite
: In article <5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
: hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
: >
: > I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
: > cooperation in removing the Alien Quake TC. As many of you are well
: > Random word of the day: Irony, n 1: the use of words
: > to express something other than and esp. the opposite
: > of the literal meaning.
: -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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Mitch Rybczynski
Asgard Development
mryb...@scs.ryerson.ca
The Bishop of Battle
Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
and Predator TC from us Quake players...lets start taking something away
from them...revenue.
I'll be setting up a Web page and a mailing list for the "Ban Fox
Interactive" movement this weekend. In addition to expressing our displeasure
to Fox, members of our group will dedicate themselves to slandering any
product from Fox Interactive with horrible reviews in all the newsgroups. No
one is going to play a game that has gotten dozens of reviews telling how
horrible the game is. Lets him them in the wallet where it hurts and then
see if they are so quick to shut down excellent work like the Aliens TC.
-Bishop
P.S.: The Aliens TC is still available from www.cris.com/~dsscd
-Bishop
Philip D.D. Hansen
The Bishop of Battle
bis...@primenet.com
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Zach Williams
The Bishop of Battle wrote:
>
> In article <5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
> > I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
> >JMH
>
> You are stupid beyond comprehension.
Heh...try looking up irony and/or sarcasm in the dictionary.
As for the TC itself...I thought it was pretty lame. Boring, flat
linear levels. Only one new monster (the facehugger) - the others
just re-painted standard monsters...
Zach
Theodore A. Waniuk
You obviously haven't played very far through the TC, and you certainly
haven't tried the latest version. The 1.1 update changes the alien models;
they now look much more like the real aliens. There are also sentry guns,
chest-bursters (complete with screaming victims, and you can play with an
over-the shoulder view. You can also play as an alien. I think this TC
really captures the feel of the alien series, and made me jump out of my seat
more than once before I finished it. It's a pity F.I. has nipped it in the
bud.
Remove the X's from my email address when replying.
The Bishop of Battle
In article <5jtbpp$k87$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, hollan...@osu.edu (Jon Hollander) wrote:
> I am completely disgusted with the Internet community's lack of
>aware, Fox has threatened legal action against the authors of this
>fine quake add-on unless all the files are removed and erased
>immediately. Thankfully, most of the main quake sites promptly
>complied with Fox's demand and removed the offending files. But the
>operators of the many mirror sites have yet to comply with this
>request.
> In fact, this very morning, almost a week since the files should
>have been erased, I went to several FTP search sites, such as
>http://ftpsearch.ntno.no, entered the name of one of the five Alien
>Quake TC files (e.g. alienq1.zip, alienq2.zip, etc), and found several
>mirror sites that still had these files. I urge anyone who finds any
>of these files NOT to download them and to inform the site's
>administrator of this situation. I certainly would have done so
>myself, but being a computer novice, I am still having difficulty
>getting my e-mail to work.
> Fortunately, I have yet to find a copy of an alleged patch of Alien
>Quake TC, which updates it to v1.1 and I'm told adds such useful
>features as 3rd-person perspective. If anyone knows the name or
>location of such a file, I would appreciate being notified, so I can
>work to have it removed as soon as possible.
> With everyone's cooperation, we can all work protect the Fox's
>trademarks from unlawful use.
>
>Thank you,
>
>
You are stupid beyond comprehension.
Philip D.D. Hansen
The Bishop of Battle
bis...@primenet.com
h...@slip.net
On 2 May 1997 12:39:01 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
Battle) wrote:
>
> Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
>and Predator TC from us Quake players...lets start taking something away
>from them...revenue
><Horrendously Long .Sig Cut>
Umm I think you're going overboard ..what Fox did was I think within
their rights, especially if they are pursuing realeasing a game title.
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(h...@slip.net)
Richard Johnson
It wasn't within their rights to ban the free aliens tc because they
weren't making a profit off of it. I'm all for a boycott
The Bishop of Battle
In article <336a5eb0...@news.slip.net>, h...@slip.net wrote:
>On 2 May 1997 12:39:01 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
>Battle) wrote:
>
>>
>> Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
>>and Predator TC from us Quake players...lets start taking something away
>>from them...revenue
>><Horrendously Long .Sig Cut>
>
>
>Umm I think you're going overboard ..what Fox did was I think within
>their rights, especially if they are pursuing realeasing a game title.
>
The key issue here is rights. They are perfectly within their rights to
protect their copyrights...but this time they went too far and are supressing
the creativity of projects that had only a vague similarity to properties they
own. They have the rights to suppress Images from the movie, or even
copyrighted logo's and still captures from the movie...but, nothing in the
project itself - including the levels, textures, and .mdl files are property
they have the right to suppress.
And, again, since we are talking about an issue of rights...it is perfectly
within my rights as a consumer to organize a grass roots campaign to turn
people away from products created by Fox Interactive - even to the point of
publishing online reviews that are outright lies about how bad their products
are. You fight this kind of backward thinking by corporate giants by using
the tools at your disposal - my personal Web page and the newsgroups.
I'm taking the fight to them, using the media they decided to infringe upon.
Fighting Fire with Fire as it were.
We need to take a stand against the corporate infiltration of the web and our
personal lives and I'm making my stand here with Fox Interactive. They want
to fuck with the little guy...well the litte guy can shout as loud as anyone
else.
And I can do them one better. They think they put a stop to _ONE_ Aliens
TC...well, its far from the only one...the same thing with Predator or Star
Wars for that matter. Lucasarts feels the need to agressivly defend its
copyrights because their games are so shitty and they know that only a hand
full of people are going to play Jedi Knight, but Hundreds of thousands of
people would play a Quakeworld version of a Star Wars TC. I'm gonna have
lots to say about those bastards.
So, if your tired of putting up with corporate bullshit...send me an E-Mail
and I'll add you to the "Ban Fox Interactive" list. Web page coming soon.
-Bishop
athol-brose
In article <5kept2$auk$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>, bis...@primenet.com
says...
> The key issue here is rights. They are perfectly within their rights to
> protect their copyrights...but this time they went too far and are supressing
> the creativity of projects that had only a vague similarity to properties they
> own. They have the rights to suppress Images from the movie, or even
> copyrighted logo's and still captures from the movie...but, nothing in the
> project itself - including the levels, textures, and .mdl files are property
> they have the right to suppress.
Let's see... the package is called "Alien TC". It contains facehuggers,
the Aliens themselves, chest-bursting scenes, and other things
characteristic of the movies; not only this, but *it calls itself "Alien"
as well*. The product clearly identified itself as based on their
properties.
You're just being wilfully dense.
Joel Mathis
Richard Johnson <No_Spam/JawaT...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<336b192a...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> On Fri, 02 May 1997 21:39:44 GMT, h...@slip.net wrote:
>
> >
> >On 2 May 1997 12:39:01 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
> >Battle) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
> >>and Predator TC from us Quake players...lets start taking something
away
> >>from them...revenue
> >><Horrendously Long .Sig Cut>
> >
> >
> >Umm I think you're going overboard ..what Fox did was I think within
> >their rights, especially if they are pursuing realeasing a game title.
> >
> >--
> >crymson
> >(h...@slip.net)
>
> It wasn't within their rights to ban the free aliens tc because they
> weren't making a profit off of it. I'm all for a boycott
>
But it is within their rights to order the cease and desist of it since
they own the rights to all of the aliens. I'm sure alot of people on the
internet just don't get copyrights and Fox doesn't know how hard they are
to enforce on the internet
Led Mirage
In article <5kds5b$h...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
Theodore A. Waniuk <twa...@ccoXX.calXXtech.edu> wrote:
>You obviously haven't played very far through the TC, and you certainly
>haven't tried the latest version. The 1.1 update changes the alien models;
>they now look much more like the real aliens. There are also sentry guns,
>chest-bursters (complete with screaming victims, and you can play with an
>over-the shoulder view. You can also play as an alien. I think this TC
>really captures the feel of the alien series, and made me jump out of my seat
>more than once before I finished it. It's a pity F.I. has nipped it in the
>bud.
Definitely! Alien TC kicks MAJOR ass!! Its TC like Alien TC that makes
Quake worth while as a single player game. It captures the feel and
essence of Aliens. The levels are well designed and the atmosphere is
creepy. Many times I have to take a deep breath before I start exploring
a new dark corridor. My only complain is that sometimes you can actually
catch the aliens napping (that is, you can surprise them. And the ability
of getting the first shot in is vital to killing those suckers). I just
hope that Fox get the AQ team to do a full blown Alien addon pack. I'd
pay 30 bucks for 3 episodes.
Marc Levin
In article <5kept2$auk$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>, The Bishop of Battle
<bis...@primenet.com> writes
>The key issue here is rights. They are perfectly within their rights to
>protect their copyrights...but this time they went too far and are supressing
>the creativity of projects that had only a vague similarity to properties they
>own. They have the rights to suppress Images from the movie, or even
>copyrighted logo's and still captures from the movie...but, nothing in the
>project itself - including the levels, textures, and .mdl files are property
>they have the right to suppress.
A vague similarity? Everything about the TC oozes Alien. Anybody who
can't see that must be...well, I'll let others to fill that one out.
>And, again, since we are talking about an issue of rights...it is perfectly
>within my rights as a consumer to organize a grass roots campaign to turn
>people away from products created by Fox Interactive - even to the point of
>publishing online reviews that are outright lies about how bad their products
>are. You fight this kind of backward thinking by corporate giants by using
>the tools at your disposal - my personal Web page and the newsgroups.
>I'm taking the fight to them, using the media they decided to infringe upon.
>Fighting Fire with Fire as it were.
So, you're saying that it's in your rights to purposely publish
incorrect information about somebody publicly with the sole purpose of
damaging them? Which country are you from exactly? I wanna make a point
of never going there!
>We need to take a stand against the corporate infiltration of the web and our
>personal lives and I'm making my stand here with Fox Interactive. They want
>to fuck with the little guy...well the litte guy can shout as loud as anyone
>else.
The guy stole their intellectual property. Imagine someone did that to
you. You'd probably react similarly. So would anybody. You can make
your stand, but I don't think many people will join your cause.
>And I can do them one better. They think they put a stop to _ONE_ Aliens
>TC...well, its far from the only one...the same thing with Predator or Star
>Wars for that matter. Lucasarts feels the need to agressivly defend its
>copyrights because their games are so shitty and they know that only a hand
>full of people are going to play Jedi Knight, but Hundreds of thousands of
>people would play a Quakeworld version of a Star Wars TC. I'm gonna have
>lots to say about those bastards.
Erm, last time I looked Jedi Knight was meant to be the next big thing.
And from my personal experience, Lucasarts games are far from shitty.
>So, if your tired of putting up with corporate bullshit...send me an E-Mail
>and I'll add you to the "Ban Fox Interactive" list. Web page coming soon.
>
>-Bishop
You're joking aren't you? That comes close to being the only explanation
for that sentence...
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Led Mirage
In article <5kept2$auk$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>,
The Bishop of Battle <bis...@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>The key issue here is rights. They are perfectly within their rights to
>protect their copyrights...but this time they went too far and are supressing
>the creativity of projects that had only a vague similarity to properties they
>own. They have the rights to suppress Images from the movie, or even
>copyrighted logo's and still captures from the movie...but, nothing in the
>project itself - including the levels, textures, and .mdl files are property
>they have the right to suppress.
Man, what drug are you on? Billed as *Aliens* TC (copyrighted), used
images that Fox also has copyrighted. Used sounds that are taken from the
movies. Even the textures are made from images taken from the movies. The
"story" is based on their copyrighted material. The TC sure as hell
convinced me its Aliens. If they'd used different textures, sounds,
images, story (which includes setting) and called it something other than
Aliens TC, then Fox would be wrong, but this is obviously not the case.
>people away from products created by Fox Interactive - even to the point of
>publishing online reviews that are outright lies about how bad their products
>are. You fight this kind of backward thinking by corporate giants by using
Outright lies are called libel.
>Wars for that matter. Lucasarts feels the need to agressivly defend its
>copyrights because their games are so shitty and they know that only a hand
>full of people are going to play Jedi Knight, but Hundreds of thousands of
>people would play a Quakeworld version of a Star Wars TC. I'm gonna have
>lots to say about those bastards.
Man, who the hell you get your drugs from? They're damn good shit.
barring the backlash generated from XvT, JK will sell millions of
copies. And I almost cared for Quakeworld. Secondly, "Star Wars" TC is a
blatant infringement of LA's and Lucas Film's copyrights. Why do we have
copyright laws? To give exclusive use of the material to the copyright
owners.
>So, if your tired of putting up with corporate bullshit...send me an E-Mail
>and I'll add you to the "Ban Fox Interactive" list. Web page coming soon.
Now I love Aliens TC. I think it gave me a reason to re-install Quake.
I'd also support people who fight thebig corporations, but NOT for all
the wrong reasons. That is boycotting just becasue they are big. Aliens,
Predator and Star Wars Tc are blatant infringement of their respective
copyrights. There is no doubt about that and I don't have a problem with
the companies shutting them down, especially that they potentially cut
into their revenue (regardless of how shitty their own products are/maybe).
Led Mirage
In article <336b192a...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
Richard Johnson <No_Spam/JawaT...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>It wasn't within their rights to ban the free aliens tc because they
>weren't making a profit off of it. I'm all for a boycott
But they ARE cutting into F.I.'s potential revenue. The reason of having
copyrights is for the copyright owners to have exclusive use of their
properties (well, at least one of them). Fox had also made a dud called
Alien Trilogy. Now why would I want to pay money for an Alien game when I
can get it for free (assuming that I don't know AT is a total bomb)?
Peteroo
:Fox had also made a dud called Alien Trilogy.
Actually, that's a licensed product published by Acclaim.
The Bishop of Battle
In article <MPG.dd525a5b...@news.one.net>, cinn...@one.net (athol-brose) wrote:
>In article <5kept2$auk$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>, bis...@primenet.com
>says...
>> protect their copyrights...but this time they went too far and are supressing
>> the creativity of projects that had only a vague similarity to properties
> they
>> own. They have the rights to suppress Images from the movie, or even
>> copyrighted logo's and still captures from the movie...but, nothing in the
>> project itself - including the levels, textures, and .mdl files are property
>> they have the right to suppress.
>
>the Aliens themselves, chest-bursting scenes, and other things
>characteristic of the movies; not only this, but *it calls itself "Alien"
>as well*. The product clearly identified itself as based on their
>properties.
>
>You're just being wilfully dense.
Yes, I am. However, it is my right to...and my right to do everything I can
to tarnish the reputation of Fox Interactive. I love America.
-Bishop
Philip D.D. Hansen
The Bishop of Battle
bis...@primenet.com
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Cutting into FI's potential revenue is what this is all about. I want to see
more user created products that cut into the revenue of corporate giants
like Fox...maybe if you could get Aliens TC for free...you wouldn't consider
buying a shitty game like Alien Trilogy or Die Hard or X-Wing Vs. Tie Fighter.
There wouldn't be a problem here, if Fox Interactive and Lucasarts and other
companies who make games based off of Movies and Television were doing a good
job...they aren't..and to add insult to injury, they are trying to keep us
users from creating good games based on those characters...and that just isn't
right..and I'm not talking about legality here..I'm talking about
morality...all of us have gotten pretty darn used to seeing the Internet as a
place of business...but it wasn't always this way...and we don't have to put
up with corporate bigshots pushing us around if we don't want to. We just
start by boycotting lame companies like Fox Interactive and then tackle the
next big slug after that (Which, I guess would be Lucasarts..and If your one
of those morons who thinks Jedi Knight is going to be a good game...try
looking at Outlaws first...Jedi Knight isn't going to be client/server based
like Quake..so Internet play will be impossible...and to add insult to injury,
Lucasarts is going to only offer Jedi Knight Internet play over the Microsloth
Internet Game zone...which is just a big pathetic Web based BBS that runs at
about 9600 baud.)
John Reynolds
In article <336a5eb0...@news.slip.net>, <h...@slip.net> wrote:
% On 2 May 1997 12:39:01 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
% Battle) wrote:
% > Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
% >and Predator TC from us Quake players...lets start taking something away
% >from them...revenue
%
% Umm I think you're going overboard ..what Fox did was I think within
% their rights, especially if they are pursuing realeasing a game title.
Actually, a friend of mine IS working on an officially licenced Aliens
game (at least the PSX version), and is quite interested in seeing what
he is up against. ;)
Cheers,
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mailto:john.r...@ccc.ox.ac.uk
Corpus Christi College, Oxford, UK
Marc Levin
In article <5kmeu8$d0p$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>, The Bishop of Battle
<bis...@primenet.com> writes
<<SNIP>>
>.and to add insult to injury,
>Lucasarts is going to only offer Jedi Knight Internet play over the Microsloth
>Internet Game zone...which is just a big pathetic Web based BBS that runs at
>about 9600 baud.)
Get real will you? Why don't you try actually playing some of the games
your calling crap. Alien Trilogy isn't "that" bad. It's just not
uptodate enough. To my knowledge Lucasarts has not produced a single
crap game in its whole existence. Xwing vs. Tie Fighter is brilliant and
I have no doubt whatsoever that Jedi Knight will be an Epic. Who gives a
fuck if it's good over the internet or not. If you really want to start
a pathetic crusade against mega coorporations why not do it against
someone who you have a reason to have a vendetta against. Or did you
actually ever work for Fox or Lucasarts and get fired? That'd kinda
explain your vengence trip.
--
Marc Levin
Mark Smith
<snip>
>
>Get real will you? Why don't you try actually playing some of the games
>your calling crap. Alien Trilogy isn't "that" bad. It's just not
>uptodate enough.
Alien Trilogy released last year with DOOM technology. Yes the game was "that"
bad. Boring repetative levels....hardly any sample voices or sounds - poorly
modeled and rendered aliens.
To my knowledge Lucasarts has not produced a single
>crap game in its whole existence. Xwing vs. Tie Fighter is brilliant and
XvT is a brilliant piece of SHIT!
>I have no doubt whatsoever that Jedi Knight will be an Epic. Who gives a
>fuck if it's good over the internet or not.
Since Lucas chose not to give us a SINGLE player game with Xvt then I think we
ALL "give a fuck" if it's good on the internet. Since this is the only way we
can possibly enjoy this worthless game and since it virtually unplayable on the
net I think Lucas better strongly reconsider their position on Jedi Knight
before they release 2 big losers this year.
If you really want to start
>a pathetic crusade against mega coorporations why not do it against
>someone who you have a reason to have a vendetta against.
I think crusading on FOX is a great idea. They are trying to unfairly stomp out
the small guys because their feelings are hurt case a group of students kicked
the shit out of their big-dollar commercial release. Alien Quake TC is
brilliant and deserves to be in a box on the shelf at every software store in
the country. I enjoyed AQ-TC exponentially more than I did Alien Trilogy.
<snip>
Adam Eberbach
In article <3370953a....@news.concentric.net>, ds...@cris.com (Mark
Smith) wrote:
> I think crusading on FOX is a great idea. They are trying to unfairly
stomp out
> the small guys because their feelings are hurt case a group of students kicked
> the shit out of their big-dollar commercial release. Alien Quake TC is
No, dickhead; it is because a trademark which is not protected by FOX
ceases to be their property.
And how long before you're busted for your CD "collections"? Can't be long
now. It's obvious that "ownership" of anything other than the physical is
a pretty hazy concept for you.
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Jaster
In article <5kept2$auk$1...@nnrp01.primenet.com>,
>>On 2 May 1997 12:39:01 -0700, bis...@primenet.com (The Bishop of
>>
>>>
>>> Since Fox Interactive has seen fit to take away the "Free" Aliens TC
>>><Horrendously Long .Sig Cut>
>>
>>
>>
they expect us to buy that?
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