Pirate ftp-sites ?
Eirik Amundsen
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>From: eir...@powertech.no (Eirik Amundsen)
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>Subject: Pirate ftp-sites ?
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>Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
>.--Eirik--.
>eir...@powertech.no
Sure, why don't i just mail you one, do you think that pirate ftp sites are
anonymous, or do you think anyone will give you their password?
Ch.N. Bink
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> : Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
This is the response of a reader of this group.
> You are an idiot.
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I think everybody is better served with a normal answer. By calling
somebody names you don't solve the problem of pirate sites.
So, no I don't know pirate sites. Better you buy your 'warez' in a store.
That way the developers can earn some money to develop more great games.
Charles
Robert B. Kennedy
: Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
: .--Eirik--.
: eir...@powertech.no
You are an idiot.
William Wright
: Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
ftp.uwp.edu is a great ftp site.
have fun. oh the pirated files are in the directory
/pub/shareware/freeware/not_commertial/piratingisimmoral/apogee-sucks
later my pir8 friend.
Richard Ward
What we have here is either
A: A troll,
B: A stupid cop,
or
C: A real moron.
Richard
Harlan Hilman
>Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
BWAAAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Can you say "newbie"?
(humor mode off)
Uhhh, no pirate FTP sites are legally open, and it's generally not nice
netiquette to ask for one over an international newsgroup.....
(humor mode back on)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :)
>.--Eirik--.
>eir...@powertech.no
Barry Clarke
>Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
>
>eir...@powertech.no
>
I'd rather mail your address to FAST - whoops hit that SEND button again...
Barry.
Robert B. Kennedy
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:
: This message was posted in the games/action newsgroup
I was having a bad day...sorry...
(OH MY GOD! AN APOLOGY ON USENET!)
William Judson Ready
>Ch.N. Bink (C.N....@kub.nl) wrote:
>:
>: > : Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
Try: ftp.fbi.felony ---- try directory bin/ur/busted
David Michael Palsen
>>: > : Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
I'll leave this one alone. I'm sure NONE of us on here pirate, so I'm
certain that this poor sap has gotten enough flak already.
>Try: ftp.fbi.felony ---- try directory bin/ur/busted
This poor sap, on the other hand, hasn't...Leave this guy alone. He
probably left his account logged in or something. We don't need a major
discussion on the subject ot take up needless bandwidth. End of story.
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David Kearney
>Eirik Amundsen (eir...@powertech.no) wrote:
>: Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
>: .--Eirik--.
>: eir...@powertech.no
you could try one of the following
ftp.spa.org : anonymous login
137.0.0.1 : use your real login and password to get in
:-)
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: In Article <39uo5j$t...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> "dpa...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Michael Palsen)" says:
: > gt2...@prism.gatech.edu (William Judson Ready) writes:
: >
: > >>: > : Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
There is a really unique site for you pirateers...write the sysadm at the
following address:
ro...@198.127.240.100
good luck....have fun...drink Coke!
PC
C. Enders
>
> certain that this poor sap has gotten enough flak already.
>
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>In article <bjMlkK7P...@powertech.no> eir...@powertech.no (Eirik Amundsen) writes:
>>Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
>>
>>.--Eirik--.
>>eir...@powertech.no
>>
>
>What we have here is either
>
>A: A troll,
>B: A stupid cop,
> or
>C: A real moron.
>
>Richard
>
>
Yeah, ftp.fuck.off.
Ch.N. Bink
>
>
>
a question 'bout it.
Charles
Chris Meijers
>I'll leave this one alone. I'm sure NONE of us on here pirate, so I'm
mister dpalsen must be the most naive person on the face of this earth.
There are more people worldwide using pirated copies than legal games.
And people that can get pirated copies usually have a higher chance
of internet-access. I wanna bet that most people on this group
are pirates, because this is the place to discuss your newly acquired
pirate game with others.
idiot.
chris.
Chris Meijers
>>Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
>>.--Eirik--.
>>eir...@powertech.no
>Sure, why don't i just mail you one, do you think that pirate ftp sites are
>anonymous, or do you think anyone will give you their password?
as a amatter of fact, most pirate ftp-sites ara anonymous,
you dickhead.
anyone want to trade with me? then please mail me at chr...@stack.urc.tue.nl
chris.
Eirik Amundsen
this group are pirates. The worst thing I know is people pretending to be
much better then others......I'll bet that if I posted the adress to a pirate
ftp site here, most of you would try it out.......
.--Eirik--.
TIMOTHY J. SAM
I agree with, man!
SERAFIN JEFFREY DALE
TIMOTHY J. SAM <sys119...@dlsu.edu.ph> wrote:
>> of internet-access. I wanna bet that most people on this group
>> are pirates, because this is the place to discuss your newly acquired
>> pirate game with others.
>
can afford to play/talk about every game that comes out, once it comes out,
and your talking about 150+ posts per day.
Then again many posts are about shareware games, but i'll bet $100 that more
50% of those posting on this group are pirates.
As for me, you would notice that i rarely have any games to talk about. I just
read this group scanning for that xtra special game that is worth buying, or
some quality shareware releases.
my $0.02
Jeff Serafin
Michael Wheat
Meijers) says:
are
>>anonymous, or do you think anyone will give you their password?
>
>as a amatter of fact, most pirate ftp-sites ara anonymous,
>you dickhead.
>anyone want to trade with me? then please mail me at
chr...@stack.urc.tue.nl
>
>chris.
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mitja golob
: Robert B. Kennedy (rkn...@bach.seattleu.edu) wrote:
: >Eirik Amundsen (eir...@powertech.no) wrote:
: >: Does pirate-ftp sites exist ?? Mail me if you know the adress to one !
: >: .--Eirik--.
: >: eir...@powertech.no
: you could try one of the following
: ftp.spa.org : anonymous login
If you are serious give real login !!!
MItja
e-mail : mit...@ana.fer.uni-lj.si
Warwick Park
ei> using this group are pirates. The worst thing I know is people
ei> pretending to be much better then others......I'll bet that if I posted
ei> the adress to a pirate ftp site here, most of you would try it
ei> out.......
ei> .--Eirik--.
Hehehehe.... what else is there to say?
What? Pirate? Me? Welll... there was that old copy of FS1, I
guess... but that was only a TRS-80 game! ;-)
regards,
Warwick
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Gunnar Horrigmo
> ei> Well, well, well....finally a sensible guy. 'Course most of the people
> ei> using this group are pirates. The worst thing I know is people
> ei> pretending to be much better then others......I'll bet that if I posted
> ei> the adress to a pirate ftp site here, most of you would try it
> ei> out.......
> ei> .--Eirik--.
"Anyone here claiming never to have pirated a game is a liar"
-Myself
As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
password.
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> In article <f1b_941...@csource.oz.au> Warwick Park (Warwic...@f260.n633.z3.fidonet.org) wrote:
>> ei> Well, well, well....finally a sensible guy. 'Course most of the people
>> ei> using this group are pirates. The worst thing I know is people
>> ei> pretending to be much better then others......I'll bet that if I posted
>> ei> the adress to a pirate ftp site here, most of you would try it
>> ei> out.......
>> ei> .--Eirik--.
>"Anyone here claiming never to have pirated a game is a liar"
> -Myself
>As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
>password.
OH THANKS!!!! I got all kinds of new WEAREZ at ftp 127.0.0.1. They had
Dark Forces, Lucas Art's Tie Bomber, ID's Quake(r) Oats, Windoze95 (final
version), AmigaDOS 4.0, Atari 2600 DOS (enhanced 80x80 pixel screen),
Virtual Reality Pacman, DOOM III (beta), OS/2 WART, and some weird new
all-in-one program by Microsnot that is supposed to replace EVERY program
and game that you have.
Ah man, I am forever thankful for this site!!!! DAMN! Don't post is
publicly. Otherwise, people will flood the damn site!
Attila Lendvai
: >password.
: OH THANKS!!!! I got all kinds of new WEAREZ at ftp 127.0.0.1. They had
: Dark Forces, Lucas Art's Tie Bomber, ID's Quake(r) Oats, Windoze95 (final
: version), AmigaDOS 4.0, Atari 2600 DOS (enhanced 80x80 pixel screen),
: Virtual Reality Pacman, DOOM III (beta), OS/2 WART, and some weird new
: all-in-one program by Microsnot that is supposed to replace EVERY program
: and game that you have.
WHAT!?! NO JUMPMAN?!?! Ah, sucks then.
: Ah man, I am forever thankful for this site!!!! DAMN! Don't post is
: publicly. Otherwise, people will flood the damn site!
: Jerry
: lavi...@scout.sjsu.edu
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> In article <f1b_941...@csource.oz.au> Warwick Park (Warwic...@f260.n633.z3.fidonet.org) wrote:
>> ei> Well, well, well....finally a sensible guy. 'Course most of the people
>> ei> using this group are pirates. The worst thing I know is people
>> ei> pretending to be much better then others......I'll bet that if I posted
>> ei> the adress to a pirate ftp site here, most of you would try it
>> ei> out.......
>> ei> .--Eirik--.
>
> "Anyone here claiming never to have pirated a game is a liar"
> -Myself
>
> As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
> password.
Uheh..uheh..uheh....loopback address....feeling amoosing today
are we not? Better still try mug.FAST.com. with anonymous and email add.
Seriously though, pirate FTP site advertising with your email
add - your just begging to be caught!
-Al-
Brian A LaBounty
: "Anyone here claiming never to have pirated a game is a liar"
: -Myself
This is probably true. Heck, when I was a lad I was one of the original
"hackers" on an Apple II+.
: As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
: password.
This always annoys me. This is the oldest joke/newbie trap on the
Internet. When is it going to get old for you clowns?
Gunnar Horrigmo
>Gunnar Horrigmo (gun...@dhhalden.no) wrote:
>: As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
>: password.
>This always annoys me. This is the oldest joke/newbie trap on the
>Internet. When is it going to get old for you clowns?
I'll stop posting it when people stop posting requests for pirate sites..
Pete Nilson
: As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
: password.
Sorry, I keep seeing this ftp site posted. I know it is obviously not a
ftp site for pics, games, etc, that it must be a site like National
Defence, or Software Piracy, or some government site, I'm curious what it is.
I've seen it in a.b.pictures, where some idiot will ask for erotic sites,
and people tell them to try 127.etc. What is it in real life? FBI's ftp
site or what?
Don't say "Try it and see", I have no intentions of that, I'd just like
to know what the punchline of this joke is.
Bye for now,
Mostly Harmless
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127.0.0.1
ha ha ha, that's hilarious! Now the joke makes sense. Thanks to all
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: Sorry, I keep seeing this ftp site posted. I know it is obviously not a
: ftp site for pics, games, etc, that it must be a site like National
: Defence, or Software Piracy, or some government site, I'm curious what it is.
: I've seen it in a.b.pictures, where some idiot will ask for erotic sites,
: and people tell them to try 127.etc. What is it in real life? FBI's ftp
: site or what?
: Don't say "Try it and see", I have no intentions of that, I'd just like
: to know what the punchline of this joke is.
Actually, it wouldn't hurt you to try it and see. It's your own machine.
Usually. It's usually set up on all machines as a loop back. So now you
know. I personally find it to be of endless amusement when teasing the
newbies, but then I'm a real netbastard at times... :)
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Gunnar Horrigmo
>: As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
>: password.
>Sorry, I keep seeing this ftp site posted. I know it is obviously not a
>ftp site for pics, games, etc, that it must be a site like National
>Defence, or Software Piracy, or some government site, I'm curious what it is.
>I've seen it in a.b.pictures, where some idiot will ask for erotic sites,
>and people tell them to try 127.etc. What is it in real life? FBI's ftp
>site or what?
>Don't say "Try it and see", I have no intentions of that, I'd just like
>to know what the punchline of this joke is.
Nothing dangerous. It's the loopback address to your local machine. Meaning
you log no as yuorself to your own machine. I've seen many posting to news
about "great dissapointment in only finding bestiality pics" etc..
Works every time. I've gotten tons of email replies to it. :-)
br...@fdant.nctr.fda.gov
>: >password.
>: OH THANKS!!!! I got all kinds of new WEAREZ at ftp 127.0.0.1. They had
>: Dark Forces, Lucas Art's Tie Bomber, ID's Quake(r) Oats, Windoze95 (final
>: version), AmigaDOS 4.0, Atari 2600 DOS (enhanced 80x80 pixel screen),
>: Virtual Reality Pacman, DOOM III (beta), OS/2 WART, and some weird new
>: all-in-one program by Microsnot that is supposed to replace EVERY program
>: and game that you have.
>: Ah man, I am forever thankful for this site!!!! DAMN! Don't post is
>: publicly. Otherwise, people will flood the damn site!
Well, I didn't find any of those games, but I met a REALLY GREAT guy there! 8^)
C-Ya'll
Bruce R.
Adam Williamson
It's the loopback address to your own computer. Neat, huh?
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: : >As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
: : >password.
: : OH THANKS!!!! I got all kinds of new WEAREZ at ftp 127.0.0.1. They had
: : Dark Forces, Lucas Art's Tie Bomber, ID's Quake(r) Oats, Windoze95 (final
: : version), AmigaDOS 4.0, Atari 2600 DOS (enhanced 80x80 pixel screen),
: : Virtual Reality Pacman, DOOM III (beta), OS/2 WART, and some weird new
: : all-in-one program by Microsnot that is supposed to replace EVERY program
: : and game that you have.
: WHAT!?! NO JUMPMAN?!?! Ah, sucks then.
: : Ah man, I am forever thankful for this site!!!! DAMN! Don't post is
: : publicly. Otherwise, people will flood the damn site!
: : Jerry
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Ah jeeze, if ya aint got PONG then don't waste my damn time.
Adam Williamson
br...@fdant.nctr.fda.gov writes:
Really? All I met there was a mongoose...:-).
Stan Church
PASSWORD??????
HMMM
CJ
Shane Dudley Arnott
: In article <brice.302...@fdant.nctr.fda.gov>
: br...@fdant.nctr.fda.gov writes:
: > >: >As for pirate sites; try : ftp 127.0.0.1 login with your real username and
: > >: >password.
: >
: > >: OH THANKS!!!! I got all kinds of new WEAREZ at ftp 127.0.0.1. They had
: > >: Dark Forces, Lucas Art's Tie Bomber, ID's Quake(r) Oats, Windoze95 (final
: > >: version), AmigaDOS 4.0, Atari 2600 DOS (enhanced 80x80 pixel screen),
: > >: Virtual Reality Pacman, DOOM III (beta), OS/2 WART, and some weird new
: > >: all-in-one program by Microsnot that is supposed to replace EVERY program
: > >: and game that you have.
: >
: > >: Ah man, I am forever thankful for this site!!!! DAMN! Don't post is
: > >: publicly. Otherwise, people will flood the damn site!
: >
: > Well, I didn't find any of those games, but I met a REALLY GREAT guy there! 8^)
: >
: > C-Ya'll
: > Bruce R.
: >
: Really? All I met there was a mongoose...:-).
all I saw was john travolta picking bits of brain out of his back
seat...
or maybe all this fictions just pulp....
Charan Mellor
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>Path:
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>io-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!munnari.oz.au!news.unimelb.EDU.A
>U!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!lugb!latcs1!arnottsd
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>Subject: Re: Pirate FTP sites! THANKS FOR THE FTP SITE!
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>From: arno...@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Shane Dudley Arnott)
>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 01:42:09 GMT
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I cant get in that site...Know any others?
Thanks...
Later bruski
Abdul Jamaluddin
Someone here doesn't get it...:)
Try telnetting to 127.0.0.1, it's the best WAREZ place! You can interact
with lotsa warez people, most in jail too!
Adam Williamson
ez00...@dale.ucdavis.edu "Abdul Jamaluddin" writes:
Oh yeah, at that site I found Doom ][, Doom I, Fifa Soccer, and loads of other
cool games...it's a pity I had them all...:-).
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scarrier
Does anybody have any other sites.... thanks..
Rene Baxter
: Does anybody have any other sites.... thanks..
I'd suspect a decent pirate would NOT post sites in a newsgroup. Try again.
Mark Meytin
>
>I'd suspect a decent pirate would NOT post sites in a newsgroup. Try again.
>
Isn't software piracy, how shall I put it... unethical?
-M-
scarrier
>Try telnetting to 127.0.0.1, it's the best WAREZ place!
I was unable to telenet to the above site. i am new to the net and seek help where i can find it. so could someone tell me how to get to the above address. I would most appreciate. And also are there any other sites? Always looking for new sites. Can anybody tell me if you can use ctrl char. in the gui, or how would you enter them(^v^h^f^e^a^v^r)..
Rene Baxter
: In article <3dodo6$n...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, ez00...@dale.ucd <cut>
: >Try telnetting to 127.0.0.1, it's the best WAREZ place!
: I was unable to telenet to the above site. i am new to the net and seek
: help where i can find it. so could someone tell me how to get to the
: above address. I would most appreciate. And also are there any other
: sites? Always looking for new sites. Can anybody tell me if you can use
: ctrl char. in the gui, or how would you enter them(^v^h^f^e^a^v^r)..
127.0.0.1 is the address for loopback. (i.e. for me, it'd telnet to
herald.usask.ca.)
Its pretty obvious now that you're a clueless newbie. Use your mind for
once and ask yourself "would a pirate post a site in a newsgroup". If a
pirate did, the site would be FLOODED, eliminating the site...
Thus, if a pirate posts a site in a newsgroup, he's a pretty stupid pirate..
(and if this is how you look for sites, you'll NEVER find any.)
Rene Baxter
Yep, it sure is. Of course, I'm not one to breathe down a pirate's neck
screaming "THATS ILLEGAL", I'd sooner call the SPA and get him arrested
or something. (I don't care what people do in their spare time - drugs
are illegal but look at how many people are using them.)
Besides, if decent and pirate don't go together, how about seasoned and
pirate?
William Sperling
writes:
I'm sorry but what the hell is a "decent pirate". Never heard of such a
thing :-).
Adam
Gilles Gravier - ITC
> scarrier (scar...@pic.net) wrote:
> : In article <3dodo6$n...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, ez00...@dale.ucd <cut>
> : I was unable to telenet to the above site. i am new to the net and seek
> : help where i can find it. so could someone tell me how to get to the
> : above address. I would most appreciate. And also are there any other
> : sites? Always looking for new sites. Can anybody tell me if you can use
> : ctrl char. in the gui, or how would you enter them(^v^h^f^e^a^v^r)..
>
> 127.0.0.1 is the address for loopback. (i.e. for me, it'd telnet to
> herald.usask.ca.)
>
> Its pretty obvious now that you're a clueless newbie. Use your mind for
> once and ask yourself "would a pirate post a site in a newsgroup". If a
> pirate did, the site would be FLOODED, eliminating the site...
Hum... A clueless newbie? Or, Rene, can't you recognise an attempt at humour?
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> >I'd suspect a decent pirate would NOT post sites in a newsgroup. Try
> again.
> >
> >
>
> I'm sorry but what the hell is a "decent pirate". Never heard of such a
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That's what you had when pirates did
their work at sea... with boats, canons, swords and all that stuff.
Gilles.
PDeMaio
>From: ggra...@dagobah.France.Sun.COM (Gilles Gravier - ITC)
>Subject: Re: Pirate FTP sites! THANKS FOR THE FTP
>In article r...@tribune.usask.ca, bax...@herald.usask.ca (Rene Baxter) writes:
>> scarrier (scar...@pic.net) wrote:
>> : In article <3dodo6$n...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, ez00...@dale.ucd <cut>
>> : I was unable to telenet to the above site. i am new to the net and seek
>> : help where i can find it. so could someone tell me how to get to the
>> : above address. I would most appreciate. And also are there any other
>> : sites? Always looking for new sites. Can anybody tell me if you can use
>> : ctrl char. in the gui, or how would you enter them(^v^h^f^e^a^v^r)..
>>
>> 127.0.0.1 is the address for loopback. (i.e. for me, it'd telnet to
>> herald.usask.ca.)
>>
>> Its pretty obvious now that you're a clueless newbie. Use your mind for
>> once and ask yourself "would a pirate post a site in a newsgroup". If a
>> pirate did, the site would be FLOODED, eliminating the site...
>Hum... A clueless newbie? Or, Rene, can't you recognise an attempt at humour?
I guess he must have been confused by the fact that most jokes have a tell
tale funny part (many times at the end) to tip you off that they're jokes.
PDeMaio
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Chris Campbell
Mark Meytin <ma...@umbc.edu> wrote:
> Pardon me, but _decent_ and _pirate_ don't fit together really well ;^)
> Isn't software piracy, how shall I put it... unethical?
What's unethical is software companies charging $80 for a damn game!
I'm not implying that I pirate software...
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Ben Page
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I believe the dictionary term for "decent pirate" is Freeloading SOB,
IMHO. The polite dictionary term, that is :-).
Ben
William Sperling
writes:
I agree that software companies to have over inflated msrp's. Thank God
for places like Egghead software. They usually have games for half
msrp.
Charan Mellor
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>From: bax...@herald.usask.ca (Rene Baxter)
>Date: 29 Dec 1994 21:52:04 GMT
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How do you look for sites?
mail me
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Donavon Keithley
> What's unethical is software companies charging $80 for a damn game!
According to what ethics?
If someone is willing to pay that kind of money for a game, then to him
that game is worth $80. If it's not worth it to you, then you don't have
to buy it. You're no worse off than you were before.
__________________________________________________________________________
Donavon Keithley I do not speak for Origin Systems.
keit...@origin.ea.com
Origin Systems, Inc.
Rene Baxter
: > Pardon me, but _decent_ and _pirate_ don't fit together really well ;^)
: > Isn't software piracy, how shall I put it... unethical?
: What's unethical is software companies charging $80 for a damn game!
: I'm not implying that I pirate software...
Yeah, I was one of the few suckers who bought Outpost CD.
Last game I'll ever buy from Sierra - I'll simply borrow the CDs from a
friend.
(Hey, it's not breaking the law, read the license agreement, it says "you
may use this software on a single machine". Twist it around, "you may use
this software on one machine at a time".
That's how software trading works.)
Rene Baxter
Ben Page (B...@bpage.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: > >: Does anybody have any other sites.... thanks..
: > >I'd suspect a decent pirate would NOT post sites in a newsgroup. Try
: > again.
: > I'm sorry but what the hell is a "decent pirate". Never heard of such a
: > thing :-).
: I believe the dictionary term for "decent pirate" is Freeloading SOB,
: IMHO. The polite dictionary term, that is :-).
It's a little different in Sierra's case. Then again, it's kind of hard
to find guys who are willing to even accept Outpost for free. :)
(hey, Outpost CD makes a great frisbee!)
Rene Baxter
: >What's unethical is software companies charging $80 for a damn game!
: >I'm not implying that I pirate software...
: msrp.
Yeah, the latest PC Zone catalogue I have (got it sometime last month)
has Under a Killing Moon for $60 US. (Hey, pretty damn reasonable,
considering Radio Shack is letting it go for $110 CAN.)
(Then again, I got to look at a Radio Shack printout, it had the
"manufacturers price" and "sale price", the "sale price" was twice the
"manufacturers price".)
Rene Baxter
: In article r...@tribune.usask.ca, bax...@herald.usask.ca (Rene Baxter) writes:
: > 127.0.0.1 is the address for loopback. (i.e. for me, it'd telnet to
: > Its pretty obvious now that you're a clueless newbie. Use your mind for
: > once and ask yourself "would a pirate post a site in a newsgroup". If a
: > pirate did, the site would be FLOODED, eliminating the site...
: Hum... A clueless newbie? Or, Rene, can't you recognise an attempt at humour?
Umm.. depends, its a partially touchy subject.
(Either that or I stayed up way too late the night before.)
Charles Boes
: I agree that software companies to have over inflated msrp's. Thank God
: msrp.
you must work at egghead. they are very expensive.
William Sperling
writes:
60$ bucks for uakm. Around here you can probably find it for less thatn
fifty.
William Sperling
No I'm not even old enough to work at Egghead nor do I know anybody who
does (sigh). Maybe if I did I could get games for really cheap. But
Egghead has great prices. Way better than software etc. or babages.
The only place that has competing prices is Fry's electronics. I don't
like them because they have awful service and no one there knows
anything about games.
Chris Campbell
Donavon Keithley <keit...@origin.ea.com> wrote:
>If someone is willing to pay that kind of money for a game, then to him
>that game is worth $80. If it's not worth it to you, then you don't have
>to buy it. You're no worse off than you were before.
Well for example, How much did it cost to make WC3? 5 million?
WC3= 5 million
4 CD's = $6-8 for press
Price=$79.95
Top rated movie=40-60 million to make
1 HQ VCR Tape= $4-6
Price=19.95
Explain.
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Daron Stinnett
Chris Campbell <camp...@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:
>
>WC3= 5 million
>4 CD's = $6-8 for press
>Price=$79.95
>
>Top rated movie=40-60 million to make
>1 HQ VCR Tape= $4-6
>Price=19.95
>
>Explain.
It is a good comparison in that for both products you are not paying so
much for the media as your are for the content.
Here are some reasons for the difference:
1. Entertainment value - A game is usually expected to deliver 40+ hours
of entertainment. While most movies on video cassette only 2+ hours of
entertainment depending on how many times you watch it.
2. Selling video cassettes is just one of the means that movie studios
have of making money on their movies. For games companies, selling their
packaged product is the only way.
In the end, the only real way to evaluate how reasonable the price is for
games, is to look at the financial condition of the companies. The vast
majority of games companies are barely getting along finacially. It is
only the top companies that make money. And for most of them, the money
that they make is from one or two top products.
The money that made from selling games goes to only one thing: creating
bigger and better games. There are games companies out there who sell
their games for $19.95. These are B grade software companies. To them,
computer games are more of a commodity item. They sell cheap and make it
up in volume. But you never see a good quality product coming out of one
of these places.
The selling of video games competes with most other forms of
entertainment. If you compare the dollars per hour that you spend going
to a movie to the dollars per hour that you spend playing games, games
are an incredible deal. Especially if you stick with the top quality
games and manufacturers
Here are some numbers:
WC3 = $50 (street price)
HOURS OF PLAY = ~40
COST PER HOUR = $1.25
MOVIE = $7.00 (in theater)
HOURS OF VIEWING = ~2
COST PER HOUR = $3.50
- Daron
Shawn Kao
have you actually purchased more CDs than gone to movies... probably
not. #2 Some people don't have CD-ROMs to play games... more have VCRs.
They can afford to sell their tapes cheaper.
Dave Poythress
: Donavon Keithley <keit...@origin.ea.com> wrote:
: >
: Well for example, How much did it cost to make WC3? 5 million?
:
: WC3= 5 million
: 4 CD's = $6-8 for press
: Price=$79.95
:
: Top rated movie=40-60 million to make
: 1 HQ VCR Tape= $4-6
: Price=19.95
:
: Explain.
You've got to be kidding, Chris. But hey, wait, maybe that's the future
for those Video Gaming Centers! Damn! If only you could multiplay WC]I[!!
Interactive theatres! Gasp, Origin! an SGI machine required?
-Dave
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Ah Twei
>On 31 Dec 1994 08:55:20 GMT,
>Donavon Keithley <keit...@origin.ea.com> wrote:
>>If someone is willing to pay that kind of money for a game, then to him
>>that game is worth $80. If it's not worth it to you, then you don't have
>>to buy it. You're no worse off than you were before.
>Well for example, How much did it cost to make WC3? 5 million?
>WC3= 5 million
>4 CD's = $6-8 for press
>Price=$79.95
>Top rated movie=40-60 million to make
>1 HQ VCR Tape= $4-6
>Price=19.95
>Explain.
one thing for a fact, there're more movie goers than computer gamers in
the world. most people don't even use the computer for games, reason they
get intimidated by computers, why? it takes too much time to learn how to
setup a computer. thus in order to make a profit, computer companies have
to price s/w higher than a video tape, just because there're less people
buying computer games, plus the fact than many gamers will share buying
games amongst friends thus game buyers market is very much smaller than
the video market.
Mark Meytin
Daron Stinnett <dar...@netcom.com> wrote:
[...about the price difference between movies and software...]
>
>Here are some reasons for the difference:
>
>1. Entertainment value - A game is usually expected to deliver 40+ hours
>of entertainment. While most movies on video cassette only 2+ hours of
>entertainment depending on how many times you watch it.
>
>2. Selling video cassettes is just one of the means that movie studios
>have of making money on their movies. For games companies, selling their
>packaged product is the only way.
3.Much more people own VCR's than computers equipped with CD-ROM. Remember,
that CD-ROM technology matured only in '94, and even now is not completely
widespread.
4.Movie studios don't need to maintain a technical support stuff to do a
post sale product support - how often did you call Paramount and
complained that their movie doesn't work in your VCR? ;)
-M-
>
>- Daron
>
Jonathan Haas
>WC3= 5 million
>4 CD's = $6-8 for press
>Price=$79.95
>
>Top rated movie=40-60 million to make
>1 HQ VCR Tape= $4-6
>Price=19.95
>
>Explain.
Smash hit movie = 20,000,000 viewers (not counting video sales/rental)
Smash hit computer game = 250,000 buyers
Sounds pretty simple and straightforward to me.
All of this, of course, is moot. Origin could be charging a THOUSAND
dollars for Wing Commander III, and your only *ethical* option would
be not to buy it. Justifying piracy on the grounds of software being
too expensive is like justifying grand theft auto on the grounds of
cars being too expensive. If you want to pirate, pirate... but don't
think you're doing anything moral or proper. You're a thief, pure
and simple.
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Donavon Keithley
Stinnett) wrote:
> It is a good comparison in that for both products you are not paying so
> much for the media as your are for the content.
>
> Here are some reasons for the difference:
>
> 1. Entertainment value - A game is usually expected to deliver 40+ hours
> of entertainment. While most movies on video cassette only 2+ hours of
> entertainment depending on how many times you watch it.
>
> 2. Selling video cassettes is just one of the means that movie studios
> have of making money on their movies. For games companies, selling their
> packaged product is the only way.
I agree with #1. I don't think #2 is essential.
> In the end, the only real way to evaluate how reasonable the price is for
> games, is to look at the financial condition of the companies. The vast
> majority of games companies are barely getting along finacially. It is
> only the top companies that make money. And for most of them, the money
> that they make is from one or two top products.
Now I really have to disagree. What makes a price reasonable or not (for
a particular individual) is whether or not the product is worth that much
to him -- and that's all. He decides whether to buy product A by
comparing the value he would get out of it to competing product B -- or to
some other possible use for his money. He doesn't need to pour over the
developer's financial records or inquire into the cost of producing the
product.
Suppose the developer had been less efficient in producing the product, so
that it's cost of production had been twice as much while the end product
remained the same. Does the consumer care? No, it's the same product in
either case and has the same value to him. And, if the developer knows
what he's doing when he prices it, it will have the same price in either
case. If he tries to raise the price in an attempt to make up for the
additional costs he'll only hurt himself even more by losing sales. (Now,
it may be that in the first case the more efficient producer can take
advantage of his efficiency by lowering the price. His less efficient
competitors won't be able to absorb the lost revenues. So in that way
cost of production can indirectly influence the product's price, but the
point remains that there are only two things that the consumer needs to
consider in deciding "Is it worth it?": the marginal value of the product
to him and its price.)
> The money that made from selling games goes to only one thing: creating
> bigger and better games.
No, in the case of successful developers the profit also goes toward
making them rich: Lamborghinis, custom-built houses with secret passages,
and life's other necessities.
Fell Swoop
>In <3dupoo$c...@tribune.usask.ca> bax...@herald.usask.ca (Rene Baxter)
>writes:
>I'm sorry but what the hell is a "decent pirate". Never heard of such a
>thing :-).
The kind that doesn't kill women or children, you dolt!
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