The Miracles of Univbe 5.1 and Duke 3D
TODD REPLOGLE
-> believe some of them. But using Univbe 5.1 shows me that these rates
-> are possible, even probable.
You know, we should have shipped Univbe with Duke. Doing this would
have probabally made more HI-RES players happy. :)
Todd
Jared Ong
perfomance, I had to take a look. But skeptical me, I couldn't
understand how in the world the frame rates could jump with just one
video card driver.
TodayI downloaded the Univbe 5.1a trial version, and am VERY PLEASED.
Where as Duke 3D would run at 15 fps per second on my P90 8 Megs of Ram
in 640x480 (not a good frame right on this computer at all), installing
Univbe moved my average frame rate to about 23-25 FPS! This astounded
me. Even right away, on the demo screen I could tell the game was
smoother. Many times, I can get up to 30 FPS second, and I saw the 40
FPS second number flip by once (this usually happens when there are not
as many light effects and just walls).
From everyone who was reporting their frame rates, I just couldn't
believe some of them. But using Univbe 5.1 shows me that these rates
are possible, even probable.
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The Avatar
>With everything raving how Univbe 5.1 by Scitech Software improved
>perfomance, I had to take a look. But skeptical me, I couldn't
>understand how in the world the frame rates could jump with just one
>video card driver.
>
>TodayI downloaded the Univbe 5.1a trial version, and am VERY PLEASED.
>Where as Duke 3D would run at 15 fps per second on my P90 8 Megs of Ram
>in 640x480 (not a good frame right on this computer at all), installing
>Univbe moved my average frame rate to about 23-25 FPS! This astounded
>me. Even right away, on the demo screen I could tell the game was
>smoother. Many times, I can get up to 30 FPS second, and I saw the 40
>FPS second number flip by once (this usually happens when there are not
>as many light effects and just walls).
>
>From everyone who was reporting their frame rates, I just couldn't
>believe some of them. But using Univbe 5.1 shows me that these rates
>are possible, even probable.
I'm really pissed...my p100 w/16mb RAM gets an average of 12-12 FPS (with
UNIVBE 5.1). I've had it as low as 5fps! I think its time for a new video
card (anyone know a good one; my present card is a an Avance Logic PC
card...anyone know what chipset it uses?)
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> http://www.superb-e.com
> JO...@Superb-E.com
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Rigby
Yeah, I had tried Univbe before and it didn't do much with the current
crop of games I was playing but after reading the postings I decided to
give it another shot, as I obviously have way too much time on my hands,
and the only thing currently on my mind is how I can speed DND3D up.
Well, to my surprise the friggin thing actually works. Tested frame
rates and they were way higher (don't remember specific numbers. I
wasnt really that concerned about numbers as I was about overall feel,
and let me tell you it's nice. The first time I saw Doom2 run on my
P-90 with 16 megs I was amazed at the smoothness. Univbe brought SVGA
Duke a heck of a lot more in line with VGA Doom2. I, for one, am sold,
and I also tried the 1024 x 768 mode as well, and now I can't wait for
the either a P-200 or some bitchen' 3D card to rock my graphics world.
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"playable" now, and really fun, but when I walk outside the prison, things
get so choppy from all the towers, guards, etc., it becomes nearly
uncontrollable...
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I don't know, but if you have an S3, Tseng, or Paradise card, there are
specific modes for optimization for 320x200 mode in these cards right in DUKE!
Check one of the .CON files, I can't remember which one, it's commented in an
obvious way there.
Thomas Michael Trusock
s3spdup, a little utility that speeds up the transfer rates on your vid card.
Royce Shih-Wea Liao
: > You know, we should have shipped Univbe with Duke. Doing this would
: > have probabally made more HI-RES players happy. :)
: Well, to my surprise the friggin thing actually works. Tested frame
: rates and they were way higher (don't remember specific numbers. I
: wasnt really that concerned about numbers as I was about overall feel,
: and let me tell you it's nice. The first time I saw Doom2 run on my
: P-90 with 16 megs I was amazed at the smoothness. Univbe brought SVGA
: Duke a heck of a lot more in line with VGA Doom2. I, for one, am sold,
Which video card do you have?
The S3 cards have some strangeness in the built-in VGA BIOS, which
decreases performance in SVGA modes. Univbe 5.1 restores full-speed to
SVGA modes ( by "full speed", I mean bus-thruput that's equal to MCGA
320x200 mode on the same card.)
Other cards have lousy VESA code built-in to the VGABIOS. UNIVBE
supplies it's own highly optimized VESA routines.
If you have a board based on the S3-964 or S3-928, try downloading
"S3SPDUP" This utility plays with the S3's memory-bandwidth arbitration
parameters. On a Dell 486DX2/66 (with #9GXE card, S3-928 VLB), S3SPDUP
gave me these results (tested with VIDSPEED 4.0)
MCGA 320x200 SVGA 640x480
~33 MB/s ~13 MB/s (no UNIVBE, no S3SPDUP)
~33 MB/s ~33 MB/s (UNIVBE 5.1a, no S3SPDUP)
~38 MB/s ~38 MB/s (UNIVBE 5.1a, S3SPDUP)
~38 MB/s ~38 MB/s (no UNIVBE, but with S3SPDUP)
*S3SPDUP is NOT compatible with MODE-X games.
(all measurements for 32-bit WRITEs to video memory.)
I also tried the program on a Dell XPS-90 (PCI #9GXE 64Pro, S3-964)
Results were nearly identical. I finally tested S3SPDUP on my brother's
Diamond Stealth 64DRAM (S3-864 model)...minimal benefit.
For the DS64 DRAM (2mb, S3-864),
VIDSPEED went from 29MB/s to 32MB/s on my AM DX4/120 (SiS 496/497, PCI
bus = 40MHz) I must admit, I'm wondering if the bottleneck is my
chipset, since my Trident 9680 PCI clocks in at 31.89MB/sec (seems like
32MB is a glass ceiling of some sort.)
I should mention that my Trident's MCGA performance is lousy..I get about
14MB/s. Strangely enough, SVGA modes bench in at ~31.9MB/sec.
oh yes, where to get S3SPDUP? I have a link to Dietmar's Homepage
(author of S3SPDUP) on my own homepage.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~liaor
(just follow the link to Dietmar's Homepage)
Dave Glue
>
>Yeah, I had tried Univbe before and it didn't do much with the current
>crop of games I was playing but after reading the postings I decided to
>give it another shot, as I obviously have way too much time on my hands,
>and the only thing currently on my mind is how I can speed DND3D up.
>Well, to my surprise the friggin thing actually works.
The game has to be designed with Vesa 2.0 in mind, if I recall. Older
games will show little improvement.
Ben Schaffer
>
> With everything raving how Univbe 5.1 by Scitech Software improved
> perfomance, I had to take a look. But skeptical me, I couldn't
> understand how in the world the frame rates could jump with just one
> video card driver.
>
> TodayI downloaded the Univbe 5.1a trial version, and am VERY PLEASED.
> Where as Duke 3D would run at 15 fps per second on my P90 8 Megs of Ram
> in 640x480 (not a good frame right on this computer at all), installing
> Univbe moved my average frame rate to about 23-25 FPS! This astounded
> me. Even right away, on the demo screen I could tell the game was
> smoother. Many times, I can get up to 30 FPS second, and I saw the 40
> FPS second number flip by once (this usually happens when there are not
> as many light effects and just walls).
>
> --
> Jared Ong
> jo...@owl.csusm.edu
> ====================================
> Employee of Superb Entertainment
> http://www.superb-e.com
> JO...@Superb-E.com
>
I dont' understand this I have a stacked p120 (16 megs, 256k PB, Diamond
stealth Video Vram) and I only get 25fps in 640x480. What gives?
andrew tristan
Royce Shih-Wea Liao <li...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>Which video card do you have?
>
>The S3 cards have some strangeness in the built-in VGA BIOS, which
>decreases performance in SVGA modes. Univbe 5.1 restores full-speed to
>SVGA modes ( by "full speed", I mean bus-thruput that's equal to MCGA
>320x200 mode on the same card.)
>
>Other cards have lousy VESA code built-in to the VGABIOS. UNIVBE
>supplies it's own highly optimized VESA routines.
>
I tried enabling the S3 driver listed in duke3d.cfg but ended up with
a fast but smeared display. Anyone else see this? I've got an S3-805
with a GenDAC.
The problem is the same one that plagued older versions of the Linux
SVGA library (now fixed).
Cheers,
Andrew
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Where can I find this program? Thanks.
[Edwin Park (607)777-5187]
[BC8...@Bingsuns.cc.Binghamton.edu]
C Williamson
Terry Lin
>I tried enabling the S3 driver listed in duke3d.cfg but ended up with
>a fast but smeared display. Anyone else see this? I've got an S3-805
>with a GenDAC.
>
>The problem is the same one that plagued older versions of the Linux
>SVGA library (now fixed).
I too, as well as another person in this newsgroup, have the same problem. i
have a diamond stealth 24 801/805, and it's definitely smeared... however it
is FAST under S3 accelerated mode (20 fps average, full detail full screen
320x200)
PLEASE fix this 3drealms!